C64 Classic Games on the Awesome Commodore 1702 Display

[@NicolasCorte]

I love your production. the camera getting closer to the TV/monitor just like when we were kids and were so curious and amazed by the detail of those graphics. Thank you for another great video!

[@RetroDream]

Many thanks Nicolas, that's very helpful. I need to know that you viewers are enjoying my filming style! And you're right, my goal is to film as if through the eyes of the kids that we were back then...

[@rickyderocher3181]

Great video! I grew up on the Commodore, so this is a major nostalgia overload!

[@RetroDream]

Glad it rekindled nostalgia for you!

[@wimwiddershins]

Arkanoid was one of my favourites on my C64c. I even went on to build a paddle control into my joystick for it.

[@RetroDream]

Legendary game

[@NicolasCorte]

That R-Type is a slap in the face to the other 8 bit home computers.😅

[@thisisrob8750]

Awesome video thx for making this. Loved it

[@RetroDream]

Thanks for the positive words

[@buda3d2007]

Silkworm was brutal but fun

[@AccountName-gv5ie]

Nice

[@retrotronics1845]

Technically the 1701/1702 had very poor quality CRT tubes in them, you are getting Tesco value experience with these. Get a proper TV from Sony/Panasonic/Grundig with a tube that doesn't look light grey when turned off for a start.....

[@RetroDream]

Haha grey it is for sure, and that's a nightmare when it comes to filming, because of the refraction. But I'm not sure you'd get the same kind of crisp picture and resolution if you go with the RF or composite plug on a TV instead of the luma/chroma on the 1702... Ask @adriansdigitalbasement about it m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/q160Z2StlLqckKs

[@retrotronics1845]

@@RetroDream Technically composite video, although the C64's palette is specifically designed around that format, is not going to give you the same sharpness but I had a C64 and 64C and alternately tried them on S-video on my mint condition 1702 and Sony 1985 KV series Trinitron with composite. The age of the components are just as important in the TV as on the C64 motherboard. You also get better contrast out of 64C BUT an alarming amount of chroma crosstalk (cross-hatching/dithering of characters with certain background/foreground combinations). Some of the more up market, but still cheaper than a 1702, portable TV's did support S-video too. You probably want to avoid the Trinitrons if you're a purist too, their vertically flat tubes can give a slighty distorted effect at each corner of the borders compared to the Panasonic Quintrix rival. The 1702 tube is very similar to the early 80s Hitachi Instavision portable TV, the colours are never going to 'pop' either way so it's like decing whether you want a Ford Escort with a knackered 1.6L engine or a mint condition 1.3L engine either way. The S-video signal bandwidth is never going to overcome the lack of contrast or deep colours/blacks of a better CRT tube. Only use the 1702 for nostalgic reasons, it's very similar picture to the cheap Grundig TV I got with my C64 in 1983. I have yet to see a 1702 PAL monitor without colour banding issues, this could be age related but one of my 1702s is new old stock and I have 6 cables for it.

[@RetroDream]

Thanks for those details. In fact I used a TV screen in many cases back in the day, with different computers. And I agree it all depends on which one you actually used. But you're right to mention it: the goal of the channel is primarily a nostalgic one, so yes, you could say I'm a purist. I'm all for the authentic car engine versus the brand new one. I could indeed use a TV from that era, but certainly not a Trinitron, and even less so an emulator. Did it for past videos, but it's no longer my aim.

[@retrotronics1845]

@@RetroDream Sadly I have lost the love for retro hardware now, probably half a year since I powered up any of my gear. Did about 5000 C64 games on various monitors and my Trinitrons, even really colourful ones where people questioned it being the C64 version of the game on the TV footage I recorded lol

[@thisisrob8750]

I'm glad you used 1702. I won't play any other way. These are known to be great monitors especially with chroma /luma@@RetroDream