Caesar III - How to use Forced Walkers in 2 minutes (Pharaoh too!)

Forced walkers in Caesar III and Pharaoh can be confusing, so here is a quick and easy explanation for you. Give it a try and tell me what you think! I am also playing using Augustus but this works in Julius or the vanilla version of the game as well. Want to buy Caesar 3 (or other games) AND support this channel? Use this GOG referral link! af.gog.com/gam...
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[@GamerZakh]

I've been kind of avoiding learning how to do this for my earlier playthroughs but always wanted to learn it. New playthrough with Augustus? Want to buy Caesar 3 (or other games) AND support this channel? Use this GOG referral link! af.gog.com/game/caesar_3?as=1715648857

[@Fairbuy_]

Would be fun to watch another playthrough with this. Would you be playing without the global labour pool to "add" some extra difficulty to that playthrough then?

[@GamerZakh]

@@Fairbuy_ I'd probably use global labour just to make it different. Also try avoid culture dumps by using grand temples first.

[@yeahhbuddy3932]

@@GamerZakh yes good idea 👍

[@LarsIngo93]

@@GamerZakh Sounds good! Although I suggest an additional challenge for your next playthrough which I though was amazing when I replayed the game. The challange: No aqueducts! Housing is force close to water, making the city look more natural. If you want to spice it up even further, only allow fountains next to water. Makes the city even more natural and beautiful! (For levels with too little water, apply the same rules to mountains)

[@SilvioMichal1]

YES please!

[@aleksadmitrovic6347]

Dude you are fucking beast in this game, I learned so much from you. Caesar 3 is first game my father bought to me, and I never understood the game as kid and I hated it because I looked for more action, now I think this is one of the best games 😁

[@Nettis_league]

Exactly!

[@brunokbelo3248]

Your pronounciation is very clear. My english is rusty nowadays, but i can understand everything you say. Thanks from Brazil.

[@GamerZakh]

I'm glad you find it easy to understand! I try speak as best as I can because of this.

[@mikebuzz]

YESSSS!!! More Caesar III please!!!

[@aldur101]

Thank you for the tip. For a game over 20 years old, I'm still learning something new!

[@Zarl451]

This is revolutionary! Great video, straight to the point and really clear explanation

[@GamerZakh]

Thanks! Glad you liked it

[@ZAZAAZXD]

This makes things so darn simple and efficient !

[@MuricaTurkey]

Oh wow. This changes everything lol I'm gonna have to try this out ASAP. Thank you so much for this explanation! I knew the general concept of forced walkers, but not the actual nitty-gritty regarding how to best implement it.

[@GamerZakh]

Glad I could help! I'm trying to use this to make 'natural' cities, which is pretty hard with loops.

[@handge4393]

You should do more tutorials like this regarding other cool concepts regarding Caesar 3. This tutorial was quick and did a very good job explaining how Forced Walkers and other Walkers work. Thank You very much. I loved the quick and in-depth style of this video.

[@bobgrimes8618]

Would love to see you play a complete Augustus with everything fixed!

[@15998088]

Great Video! I've always wanted to know how the forced walker mechanic works.

[@FluteGamerSouzaLima]

Very short, directed and awesome video!

[@darthbraveth7633]

I think it can be very useful with the missions posts

[@mauer1]

one mission post to missionary them all.

[@DocMaggie]

Every real-life economy politician from now on should be able to play at least one of these economy management games by heart. These might be just games, but they greatly improve and visualize your perception of real situations. All they really have is theoretical knowledge and life experience, which is *not* what they should have when entering such a role. I've been watching your content lately very often, and you made me get back into RTS. Thank you very much for that

[@miloshp7399]

I'm so annoyed with problems in my real town and governance that I believe any kid who played City Building sims would do better. Major thing is - Caesar 3 doesn't have corruption.

[@DocMaggie]

@Morgan Allen I wanted to bring it up in whatever RTS video the idea struck me, as an enlightment moment. I mean, they have simulators for anything nowadays, mostly for pilots and space pilots. Why not use it in governing as well, not necessarily in a form of a video game, but this is the best we've got and I'm pretty sure the simulator would resemble some strategy game a lot.

[@JanZizkaMetal]

As they teach in film school, show don't tell. Once again, you dropped an excellent video on us. Was that a mic I heard dropping at the end? Lol.

[@ovanx6405]

Hi legend im so excited to see a caesar 3 video from you

[@MarkusRamikin]

This is a good explanation. I had found the Caesar 3 forums and several threads talking about Forced Walkers, but it was much text with little clarity.

[@GamerZakh]

Thanks! Yeah that was my problem too, thought once I figured it out a simpler explanation would be useful to put out there.

[@MaxHohenstaufen]

Ok I first played this game in 2000. Never made it past mediolanum or lugdunum at the time. Just recently bought it again on steam and with the augustus quality of life improvements and essencially the roadblock, I'm doing alright for most of the game. Of course, between that first experience and the current one there's been thousands of hours of pharoah gameplay which came in handy in a lot of ways. But never have I ever learned about this forced walking thing and let me tell you, this completely changes the game and all experience I got from the 20+ years. This might completely change the way I play it and make my cities a lot better looking, as I've perfected a block based layout that makes all cities look annoyingly similar and quite limited in terms of how they deal with obstacles. The possibilities are near limitless!

[@ro-rj8le]

thank you for this video! it took me so long to get the gate thing, and i still learn something new. i really enjoy your caesar videos, wish you'd make them everyday☺

[@joshthesandwichgod]

I've played this game since i was a kid and did not know this tip. Thank you!

[@AngeloCapalboGhelli]

WOW! I thought i needed a mod, but it's not so!!!! Thank u man

[@jackstrausser6014]

Man, you deserve a Nobel Prize for that

[@GamerZakh]

Haha well I didn't figure it all out, I just made it easy to understand.

[@zoran.grubic]

It works for most of the buildings, but not for Senate, forum, school, prefecture or engineering post. For entrainment buildings it's better to use actor, gladiator and lion school. When you learn all of this, the markets will be the most tricky to master, because it's difficult to make market ladies go the same road all the time (they will make a detour sometimes) and that will make loop not so stable. Still my favorite type of building the city because you can make the loop go wherever you want.

[@lordlorensoth4847]

It works for forum and prefectures . Forums although they seem at the start that wont get forced after 2-3 trips they DO get forced and make the round of the loop.The difference is that Forums spawn the walker on the north side of the building and return to the south.Prefectures on the other hand has a completely different setup that honestly does not worth doing.

[@zoran.grubic]

@@lordlorensoth4847 You can make them do forced walk every trip (4 out of 4) but not with the technique from the video. You need to know routing centers to do it correct.

[@douglas2938]

Prefecture and Engineering Post "work" but any junction breaks their routes, though you can still use it in industrial districts. In Pharaoh, it's Police that's impossible to force any route.

[@swordmastersarosh3731]

@@douglas2938 Police, Magistrates, and Tax Collectors. Those darn government officials...

[@KingCrimson250]

Hah, man. I commented the same thing because I somehow missed this post. I agree that it's the best way to build the city - you can fit a good 8000-10000 people into a single block, supported by only 1-2 markets (depending on difficulty - and, in Pharaoh's case, the Temple Complex you have).

[@koosschutter1675]

This is going to change things. In pharaoh I build a separate road on the outside touching people because I didn't like the undesirable buildings in the residential area, but then I need extra architects and firehouses, and with large distances I sometimes needed to double up. I always run out of workers. Oh I see firehouses and architects work only occasionally. (1x1 building)

[@KingCrimson250]

Here's a list of buildings this doesn't work with, either because the walkers follow different rules, or because they just can't be made infinite: In C3: Prefectures, Engineer Posts, Forums, Schools In Pharaoh: Police Stations, Tax Collectors, Courthouses So with these buildings it's normally best to intersperse them throughout the block (as we see Zakh doing with Prefects and Engineers in this video). Note that it *does* still work with the Citizen (i.e. worker finder) that the building sends out, just not the building's actual worker. So in addition to 2x2 buildings, it will also work with 1x1 buildings (like Clinics) and 3x3 buildings (like Academies), so long as the road still follows the rules and it's not one of the above exceptions.

[@MrDaniPak]

In Pharaoh My water carrier doesnt go the whole loop, its stops half way and goes back... same with bazaar lady.. im not sure what im doing wrong

[@manumaster1990]

Very nice

[@charlesm7589]

The remaster of Pharaoh got me back to city building after a years-long hiatus. I only wish I had found your channel earlier. A question about forced walkers: You used a 2x2 building as an example. Would it also work for 1x1 building walkers, such as engineers? I know that roads merge if they are only one tile apart, but couldn't a road 2 tiles apart be 'pinched' only at the site of a 1x1 building and then diverge again to make said building's walker into a forced walker?

[@Blayze]

"Surprisingly simple." *twitches in Ceave Gaming*

[@Laistner85]

Thanks Gamerzakh! Super video and the technique is super fun and interesting, I just started a new campaign and it is great. Only problem that I have is, that the marker supplies to the houses are a bit unstable, sometimes a house just does not get food or pottery or anything else all the others have. That is a bit annoying. Have you faced this problem as well?

[@GamerZakh]

Yeah doing this puts a massive strain on the market. You need the granary and warehouses as close as possible to the markets, then maybe use 3-4 markets.

[@michaelodonz3520]

This is really helpful ^^

[@financialcrisis]

Idea for a future video: effective ways of defeating Caesar's legions when you piss him off. There aren't too many videos about that, but it really proves your military might and makes you think. You know which direction soldiers come from, but what formation of towers, prefects, lion tamers and legions most effectively stomps Caesar?

[@vasb.9055]

Great job ! I watch your videos like they are movies ! But I don't like to leave the road like that (broken) What would happen if you complete the loop (unite de two ends of the road ?)

[@GamerZakh]

Thanks! If you connect the roads then the walkers will just turn around like usual. It has to be broken for them to walk infinitely far.

[@robertolavagnino192]

Wow, thanks man!!!

[@hugodanis6144]

Thank you

[@jasonchen4048]

is there a size limit? i dont know what im doing wrong actually. i have a forced walker save about a month ago that spans roughly 270 blocks, 4 such blocks on a 400 x 400 map, and it works fine. and im trying a new self imposed challenge (in no way should it inpact forced walker, but the challenge is to make a city without exporting) and the new loop is roughly thousands of blocks, basically the bottom of the map is all my production including farms, furniture, pottery, and the road loops an entire 400 x 400 map ending up at the top of my loop. basically what im trying to say is, now that ive upped the travel distance to such ludicrous numbers, its not working, and i have cut it down to roughly 500 blocks, and it starts working again... i didnt count the 500 block one, but i did count the 270 blocks. and it is roughly a little under double the size. i tried to push it to 1000 blocks, and it stops working again.

[@Sarah_42]

Nice!!

[@csverse]

Hi. Hope you could do specifics tutorial in Caesar 3 where you cover specific subject of the game. For example, What does prefecture do, it's behavior, it's impact, as well as engineers, why you need them and how to place them strategically. Includes certain information as per terrain, etc. This game is part of my childhood and I always perform horrible in this game. Please teach us how to play this recreational game properly. thanks!

[@gromsword6984]

"How to become a Loop Hero in under 3 min!!"

[@erez87xp]

All random walkers? Can the guys looking for houses for employment be made to walk that way?

[@GamerZakh]

Yes the worker seeker seems to be affected the same way, so it should allow employment to be provided from a big distance too.

[@erez87xp]

@@GamerZakh does it work on Pharaoh as well?

[@douglas2938]

@@erez87xp It does but (at least with Pharaoh+Cleopatra) the employment workers seem to be fuzzy about it, so if it's an important building like Water Crossings, you'd be better off fitting one small housing block not too far away... or you can do the evil thing and add the single house with a road to nowhere and block the employment worker like I tend to do, especially with maps with limited building area.

[@dalkrin]

Going to try this with Pharaoh soon. Any idea if it works with Emperor?

[@tioedu_]

nice

[@novitahelviana6417]

wow thanks

[@daudiochero]

Sigh, I still have trouble pulling this off sometimes

[@GamerZakh]

It can be really tricky because it's not even supposed to be a mechanic. Things have to be placed perfectly.

[@Robokapp]

is there a max distance for a destination walker? or can you one-road snakeway a whole city? :)

[@GamerZakh]

As far as I've seen there is no limit. One-road snakeway should be possible.

[@ironchef8000]

This is useful but I feel like the implication isn’t explained. So I can get them to walk really far. How do I use that? Are you saying I can have a single school and have the school kid walker service a huge number of homes if I lay things out right?

[@GamerZakh]

The school is one of the few service buildings you can't do this with because the school kids never return to the school. And yes you got it right, you can use a single library to cover half the map and it's probably enough.

[@Leann-n]

This seems way more exploity than all of the QOL improvements Augustus made haha

[@GamerZakh]

Yeah it's kind of an exploit but it's been there since day 1. Works in Pharaoh as well and was kept in Pharaoh A New Era, so it's canon now lol

[@pa5287]

ah cool

[@sorak185]

Any idea if this technique has an analog in Caesar 4?

[@olegmajboroda7272]

Why would I want them to walk longer distances?

[@GamerZakh]

Because the walkers only provide services to houses they pass. With a limit to how far they walk, you have to build more service buildings to cover more houses. With this forced walker technique, a single service building can cover a massive number of houses.

[@olegmajboroda7272]

@@GamerZakh thanks

[@toetert]

Great video, but for some reason i can't get it to work. For example i place my market down. But the market lady just vanishes after she walked lets say 30 blocks. What am i doing wrong?

[@GamerZakh]

I can't say for sure unless I see it. There's a million things with this game, could be anything. Also, is the market lady walking by houses? Market ladies tend to turn back if they aren't passing houses. Test it with a library or something.

[@toetert]

@@GamerZakh I don't know what happend i think its a bug orso. But When i restarted the map and tried the same thing again it worked. No clue why the 1st attempt failed. Thanks tho for you input and all the vids. Learned a lot from them.

[@poetpinch1396]

Have you tried to make the forced walkers on buildings of other sizes ? One by one ? Three by three ?

[@GamerZakh]

It works on 3 by 3 or larger too, it doesn't really work like this with 1 by 1 buildings, there is a way but it's barely worth doing since it's more complicated.

[@FoxxyCZ]

@@GamerZakh Hi, a bit late but it works very well for 1x1 also. I just put an extra patch of road on the "southeast" side. Doing it for doctor and barber.

[@huehue5286]

There's probably a generation of kids that could never beat this game back then.

[@GamerZakh]

Yeah I was one of them haha. First time I beat this game was when I started this channel.

[@rgname]

That was me 😂 The fact that are 2 different market lady's really confused me and made me wonder why she was going all over the map

[@gloinschmelzer7601]

The other thing i see in speedruns: the excessive placing of libaries and academys to increase culture

[@GamerZakh]

Yeah I call them culture dumps. Because the culture rating isn't based on coverage just how many buildings to population, so if you know what population you're going for you can just pop a set number of buildings down and you'll know you have enough.

[@_JustinCider_]

Has the ability to do this been nerfed recently? I've watched a few of your vids and had a go at this but it seems it doesn't work?

[@GamerZakh]

It still works as far as I know but if it's not done just right or there's an accidental connection with gardens or something it can break it. Will have to see what you built to see why it's not working.

[@_JustinCider_]

@@GamerZakh I've persevered a bit with it last night. Some buildings have to be positioned "just right" relative to others or the end of the road. And I can't make it work with schools, at all. I've always had the problem that in order to keep prosperity & culture scores up then all the plebs have to work in jobs that contribute to those scores. So I've been ignoring culture and at the end of the level just spamming everything that's needed to get education & entertainment up to "perfect". I don't think using forced walkers is going to help in that area somehow - if anything it will make it worse. Thanks for responding too. Great that you still keep an eye on these older videos.

[@webmaristocrat4052]

does that work with market ladies?

[@GamerZakh]

Yes it does, you can see the market lady at the end of the video feeding the whole giant loop.

[@ben_loewe]

Yes, the traditional method for creating forced walkers works for every walker except prefects, engineers, tax collectors and entertainment walkers I believe.

[@webmaristocrat4052]

awesome! Gotta try this

[@ben_loewe]

@@webmaristocrat4052 Make sure you get the direction right, it only works on the NE-SW axis but not the SE-NW axis

[@douglas2938]

@@ben_loewe The trick for entertainment walkers is much easier tbh. Just have your semi-loop with the places they perform on the inside (where the other walkers arrive) while having the schools on the outside, so all of them will have to walk inwards to perform.

[@pepearagoneses6908]

Is this a feature of Julius/Augustus?

[@GamerZakh]

No it's in the base game. Works in Pharaoh too.

[@Nickelodeon81]

So this is true for the original version of the game? Not just Augustus?

[@GamerZakh]

Yeah it works in the original. Works in Pharaoh too.

[@Nickelodeon81]

@@GamerZakh Wow that's awesome, I think it makes for much more realistic cities.

[@user-tx3jh5ii6f]

Does this work with all buildings? doesn't seem to work with schools

[@GamerZakh]

It doesn't work for schools or 1x1 buildings. It only works every few times with forums and they spawn on the northern side.

[@EjectButton001]

I dont play this game so I dont understand why that is a good thing, can someone explain?

[@DevDreCW]

Until this discovery you had to base your entire city structure around the limited distance that each of these "walkers" travel. They deliver goods from their building to houses which makes the houses evolve into better houses that fit more people (but demand more resources), if houses don't get these goods they devolve and you lose your population, which leads to unemployment, which leads to resource shortages... Without studying some of these methods it's really hard to have a stable city that doesn't randomly implode because walkers decided to walk left instead of right or because you put an important building 2 tiles too far away from your houses.

[@funkybuddhaInit]

Can somebody make a mod that just does away with this walker mechanic and have services provided via an area around the building?

[@douglas2938]

Isn't that how it works on Caesar IV?

[@mihirchitnis905]

Is it also applicable for pharoah and zeus ?

[@GamerZakh]

This works for Pharaoh but not so much Zeus or Emperor.

[@tagtip]

@@GamerZakh It actually works with specifically just the infirmary and the well in Zeus, which coincidentally have shorter range than other buildings and therefore this effect is essential in making some blocks be stable that otherwise wouldn't.

[@donatoblazquezhernandez6285]

Como no no se haces el gran favor de activar los subtítulos en castellano? Te ganarías un suscriptor..

[@GamerZakh]

Los subtítulos se generan automáticamente y puede seleccionarse usted mismo para usar Google Translate para cambiar el idioma de los subtítulos. Acabo de mirar y el español está disponible como una opción.

[@donatoblazquezhernandez6285]

@@GamerZakh es todo un honor para mí que me respondas, no creía en ello, muchas gracias. Aún así, en tus videos solo me sale la opción de los subtítulos en inglés, no sé cómo me dices para que sea en castellano. Venga, ya sí me suscribo

[@_brothersbutt6823]

Honey voice

[@GamerZakh]

Thank you!

[@ИванСусанин-ь7б]

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