Caesar's Latin: Civilization VI. How is his pronunciation?

The Civilization game series has some characters that speak in ancient languages. How is the reconstructed pronunciation? Let's discover that together!
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[@polyMATHY_Luke]

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[@ChessedGamon]

Hearing him say Caesar for the first time like that gave me that same sort of shock you get when you accidentally bite into the sour part of a fruit

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

lol

[@danieldbdb]

The same!

[@povilzem]

It's a bit similar to the pronunciation I've been taught, but the first "C" should make a "ts" sound, not "s".

[@Lernos1]

@@povilzem This is actually the German school pronunciation that is taught in several Germanic and Slavic countries, to my knowledge. It has nothing to do with the historical aspects of Latin - neither with the actual pronunciation by the ancient Romans nor with the Medieval Latin spoken by the clergy and educated people. "C" is pronounced as "ts" there because... I dunno, it's more convenient for Germans, I guess.

[@kreendurron]

Was drinking water and almost spit it out in anticipation of Luke's reaction lol

[@InvadeleYogurt]

I hope Luke gets hired for Civ 7 for Rome properly translated classical Latin

[@PC_Simo]

So do I.

[@Brandon55638]

Me too.

[@gabem.5242]

Ah, this kind of video sends me back to when my grandpa (a Sicilian typographer from Syracuse) helped me with Latin in High School: he was taught by Benedictine friars back in the '30s, and had the luck to read quite a wealth of ancient Greek and Latin texts during his working period. He had developed an uncanny ability to read Greek even *backwards* since he had to, well, print it with movable types. Every time I got the inflection, timing or length wrong he used to say "I didn't understand, are you a barbarian by any chance?" and joke about it before coaching me... good times. :)

[@davidross2004]

Your grandfather sounds like he was a cool guy!

[@CannedMan]

This comment made my day. What a wonderful man he must have been!

[@lucabastianello9830]

Ecclesiastic latin and ancient Latin are not the same

[@SoulcatcherLucario]

​@@lucabastianello9830 while that's true, latin of any kind is still based on vowel length. the difference between _vocem_ and _vōcēm_ is only in those vowels. unless you don't write them or speak them, that is suddenly gone. it's part of the grammar of any period.

[@lucabastianello9830]

@@SoulcatcherLucario you forget dialers, inflexions and so on

[@ArkhBaegor]

The worst part is that, if I recall correctly, Augustus's latin in Civ V was pretty good, not perfect, but clearly they tried

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

I remember it being better

[@beetheimmortal]

Civ V was better in every way, so this isn't really surprising to be honest.

[@mrcopycat2355]

@@beetheimmortal Amen!

[@PurpleDrac]

who wouldn't want Luke's voice acting in a game? am glad he stressed how important correctness is in a language not into Latin but if I was and wanted to play a game that featured it I'd want the real thing. So if it means hitting up Luke for his skills in Latin I'd recommend so perhaps someone who knows Luke and vise versa but yeah. Just wanted to say that is so cool there's an ancient language institute. I never would've guessed it but props to those who made it happen. I always found old scripts to be the coolest thing I've not the slightest idea why but to see that then to see this was equally as cool. Enjoyed the video! 😎

[@SamuraiBonesie]

@@beetheimmortal idk about everyway, but I can say that both V & VI left a mark on me

[@michaelheliotis5279]

The thing is, while the whole translation does reek of Google Translate, Google has always used the correct cases for words. It might not use them _correctly,_ but I've never seen it confuse a a 4th declension word for a 2nd declension one. And certainly not twice. Therefore, I posit that one of the devs had done four weeks of Latin at university, and they just got him to do the translations. 😐

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Agreed

[@alphamikeomega5728]

To forget declensions is one thing. To not realise you might have forgotten, and not double check, is another.

[@andrw2354]

The "Et tu? Then fall Caesar" is a quote from Shakespeare (Julius Caesar, Act III), modified to be more of more general meaning: the original is "Et tu, Brute? Then fall, Caesar" and "fall" is indeed an imperative (Caesar is telling himself to fall, as he sees no reason to survive considering that his dear Brutus betrayed him). The quote originates from Caesar's presumed last words, which were "και σύ, τέκνον;" and are often translated in latin as "tū quoque, Brūte, fīlī mī". I think the voice actor was more familiar with this second form (especially if he's Italian), while for the English audience the Shakespeare variant sounds probably more common. I hope this helped!

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Ah I misread “fall” as “fail,” probably because the text was so tiny. I should have remembered the line from Shakespeare. The Et tū was great, my points in mentioning it is that I think it’s better than the translation.

[@ElisabethOrchard]

I remember arguing with my best friend when we were teenagers if it was "et tu" or "tu quoque" for several hours. We even shouted at each other. Until we googled and figured that we were both kinda right but also kinda wrong.

[@bepi77]

I learned it as "Etiam tu, mi fili?" in latin classes and that's the one that only comes to my mind.

[@Teverell]

@@polyMATHY_Luke Shakespeare learned Latin at school, of course his original was better!!

[@daniel_is_aladdin]

Beat me to it! Absolute legend!!

[@faryafaraji]

11:25 Excellent point. People often ask why Latin is always found more readily than other ancient languages like Gaulish or Parthian, and my own answer was always: “because it’s Latin.” Latin is so well established, with so much literature and people learning it that there’s no excuse when it comes to this specific language. And it being a “dead” language isn’t an excuse-it’s easier to find translators for this dead language than for many current living languages. Try finding translators for Kumandin Turkic or Naiki, living native languages, vs Latin or Sanskrit.

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Well said, my friend!

[@user-et8vm9cc3t]

The "dead language" part of your comment reminded me of one of the recent Civilization games where Ramses II spoke Egyptian Arabic (!!!). Thankfully in the next game they let Cleopatra speak in Egyptian (although I'm not sure what kind of Egyptian, if it's the classical language or the much more recent Demotic that was spoken in her time, or, for some weird reason, something else.)).

[@skinkroot]

@@user-et8vm9cc3t lmao, that's such a blunder

[@PC_Simo]

@@user-et8vm9cc3t Oh, wow! That’s bad! It’s like Constantine speaking Turkish; or Montezuma speaking Modern Mexican Spanish (not Nāhuatl). 🤯

[@pedrobolsas646]

Luke! Civ 6 has a lot of greek speakers from different eras. I would love to see you some day doing a review of Basil II, Gorgo, and the others. I think their greek is pretty good expecially Basil's greek. (There is ancient/middle egyption too)

[@tariver1693]

Theodora is also will be added some time in the nearest future.

[@Automatik234]

I've looked at Barbarossa's Old High German and the pronunciation is just modern german. Sadly, I'm not good enough at Old High German, to spot other mistakes.

[@marcoarenaza54]

I am from Mexico and I have a friend here who knows the nahuatl language, and I showed the speeches of Montezuma in Civilization V and he said it was clear they used like an online translator cause it was very similar to this. I love these games, I never thought on sending the feedback, but it’s a great idea and I will do it, cause for many of us it’s a detail that matters for better immersion.

[@v0rtexbeater]

There is an explanation as to why the subtitles don't usually match with what's being said: because they're not subtitles. Whatever the rival leader is trying to tell you it's actually on the dialogue box and the audio clips are just there to accompany them, presumably this was done to save on the budget by not dubbing every single possible line. You can clearly see this when playing agaisnt characters who speak a modern language, a particularly example that became a meme was Elizabeth in Civ 5, she usually request trade deals a lot (and declares war if you deny her requests too many times) with her famous "Would you be interested in a trade agreement with England?" Line.

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Absolutely.

[@Mithraschosen]

It would be really cool to have Luke translate a modern book and make an audiobook of it. Just hours and hours of Latin translations to inundate your mind so you learn Latin in a few weeks.

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

I have done something like that with other texts you can find.

[@paulstewart1557]

I love your precision, care and passion for Latin. Bravo! Even more, I admire your sense of fun with the whole schtick.

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Heh thanks very much! I'm glad you enjoy it as much as I do

[@inspector_beyond]

Firaxis has announced that they are working on next Civilization game. Maybe you should propose your service to them, cuz it seems that they cannot find good Latin expert that can also give notations to voice actors on how to properly pronounce things.

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

They're welcome to contact me.

[@Soothsayer_98]

You've previously reacted to Trajan and now Julius Caesar in Civilization 6, I would love to see how you react to greek in the game by reacting to Pericles, Gorgo, Alexander the Great, Basil II, and Theodora! Love the content!

[@C_B_Hubbs]

Feels like its been a while since we've seen a regular video again with Luke just home in front of a camera! All of his videos abroad are great, but I like these ones too.

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Thanks! It's fun and old school for me too

[@Skadi609]

I was expecting this video. Thanks again your precious insight on Latin pronunciation 👍

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Thanks for watching!

[@elnoruego6854]

I just love this series! So fascinating to watch.

[@hamburgerlord7849]

Hey, thanks for taking my suggestion!

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Thanks for making it!

[@bytheway1031]

Thanks for posting Luke!👍

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Thanks for watching!

[@Roma_753]

FINALLY! I was waiting for this video! Valē magister

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Were you the one who suggested it? If so, thanks!

[@Lightman0359]

I would love to hear your thoughts on warhammer 40k's "High Gothic" or as I call it: Derp Latin. They use latin sounding words [that I have been told are either made up or incorrect in some ways]. Examples off the top of my head in the form of High Gothic/ Derp Latin - Low Gothic / Space English [brief description of what it is] Legio / Adeptus Astartes - Space Marine Legion / Chapter [genetically enhanced super soldiers, like the Spartans in HALO, originally in20x 10-100 thousand strong legions, now broken down into 1,000x 1-2k strong Chapters] Adeptus Sororitas - Sisters of Battle [nuns with guns and power armor] Legio Titanicus - Titan Legions [armies of battlemechs, 30-100 foot tall walking fortresses] Adeptus Arbites - Judge Arbitrators [Judge Dredd, an army of Judge Dredd] Astra Militarum - Imperial Guard [the Army, WW2 armies with lasers] Tempestus Scions - Stormtroopers [what it says on the tin, infantry special forces, usually assigned to the Inquisition] From what I can gather, the bad latin is to have names Games Workshop could trademark, the High Gothic is the new 21st century Army Book names, the Low Gothic is the older turn of the century names, though the names for some [mainly the Adepta and Legio]

[@niko73le]

It's fun when you get annoyed 11:07 because you are so passionate about it, keeping it real. 😂😂

[@IgorS.]

Yeah! My favourite type of videos on this channel

[@Cyclonus2377]

I posted this on another video of yours, I believe on your ScorpioMartianus channel. But, after all this time watching your videos... I FINALLY started studying Latin. I started the course on Duolingo. And from what I know from watching your videos, the voices on there seem to be pronouncing it using the Classical Pronunciation. However... the voices sound rather robotic. A lot less human than the ones for the other courses. Maybe they should have *you* provide your skills to the course... 😉😉😉😉

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Thanks. I believe DuoLingo’s Latin team asked me to volunteer, but I declined because I didn’t have the time for such a huge investment of countless hours of work.

[@pablor.sepulveda9929]

Theodora of Byzantium will be added to the game tomorrow, are you going to analyse her Greek dialect and tell us which use she uses, please? And nice channel, too. You got one new subscriber!

[@simon3818]

I always imagine that when you wear the armor you have on cargo shorts just out of frame

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Basketball shorts, and I just had on the subarmalis but no tunic (just a modern undershirt), since my arms were out of frame.

[@matthewheald8964]

Watching "et tu?" get translated from Latin to "Latin" knocked a decade off my lifespan.

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Lol

[@noamto]

Would be great if you reviewed the Civ 4 latin, where it was the units that spoke and not the leaders.

[@VeryMelonCB]

This performance is to Latin what Civ 6 is to the Civ series. Like poetry.

[@Thunder88]

Echoing other sentiments in that your expertise would be sorely appreciated for Latin and Greek in CIV VII.

[@---us7qf]

LOOOL! Luke's expressions. Muahahahahahaha! I am just starting my latin journey and you are correct. Most games companiy today focus on other things (NFTs), instead of good narrative and / or completeness. Almost everything they produce now is riddled with issues. I guess making a product that customers enjoy, is a long lost era. but Luke's expressions are far more entertaining, than any of those incomplete games.

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Very flattered. Thanks for watching

[@theglobalgambit]

Thoroughly enjoyed this - thanks for debunking the nonsense while looking on point too.

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Thanks my man! I’m glad you enjoyed it

[@awesomedude00001]

Hey, great video! Can you take a look at the Greek leaders in Civ 6? We have Alexander, Gorgo, and Pericles, so I think there'd be a lot of good material to critique!

[@TrinityMozart]

I absolutely never heard of this video game before the pronunciation sounds sort of fun haha.

[@ekinzorel3836]

These are my favourite type of videos

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

I’m glad! If only there were more Latin in video games haha

[@Asassin7787]

Can we talk about how over-the-top Caesar's armour is in this depiction? All gold and oddly proportioned. He looks like he took a page out of the Emperor of Mankind's playbook and decided to style himself in gold lol

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Hehe

[@kakorot84]

There is a 2011 documentary called "The Destiny of Rome" that has all its scenes in Latin and Greek and at least for Latin, the actors vary the pronunciation greatly so that may be of interest to check out and possibly do a video on. Thank you for the great content as always~

[@ashwinnmyburgh9364]

Papae! I love these videos.

[@Sandra.Molchanova]

Oh, Luke, there are literally hundreds of millions of people speaking Russian, but studios big and small manage to mistranslate and mispronounce it all the time too 😑 Though there is hope that now this is so easily exposed, the producers of such product would realise that the time when they could get away with it has finally passed 😈

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Good point!

[@alexnaskos]

In my head canon Caesar said «Ἀνερρίφθω κύβος» in Greek like Plutrarch claims (Ἑλληνιστὶ πρὸς τοὺς παρόντας ἐκβοήσας) rather than 'Jacta ālea est' like Suetonius reports, it would have been so cool for the devs to add one or two Greek lines in there although there are Greek speakers in the video game anyway :P Then again I guess if they cared ebough about the voice lines in the ancient languages to do something like that they would at least be grammatically correct in the first place 🤣 Great video like always!

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Haha as great as that would be, I don't think they could handle that kind of complexity

[@MrKirby365]

So i came across your video because it was a short that popped up and i love language i love breaking downwards i collect words they're free and they don't take up any space at least not physical space... And there really fking fun, I love all words foul and fair alike. Words exist for the plane and simple fact that we as humans are obsessed with categorizing things. And for good reason, We can build categofreeze of oh these things are going to be deadly. But it can also create constructs like gender, We separated people into gender because we we're able to say oh there are similar differences between these other humans that means we can categorize them. The reason to me that words are so amazing is that they don't have any true power. The idea of that may seem outlandish to some people but in my mind in my world words do not have power unless you give them power. I also think it's really weird people like to flip out and say that's not a word, you just made that up... um... so... is... anyone... nope just me... ok... That is literally how words are made. Some words we build off of pre existing words, Because they already have meaning and it makes things easier.... Some things we create all on our own. Ain't, I'm barely certain that that word was used so often that it actually made it into the dictionary.... And they tried to call it not a word. So here's the thing if people are using it if people are saying it it is out there it exists. You cannot stop something from existing just because you don't want it two it's the same lesson people have tried to teach about homosexuality, about trans lives, or even people of color or different racial backgrounds. Words are figuring out how to recreate the same sound out of your mouth consistently and to have a consensus on their meaning. I have rambled on an on far too much and I apologize. I hope I was able to stay on topic enough. And I would like to say thank you again for the fantastic video for all of the videos I can't wait to continue to discover what you have to offer. And I hope my comment on your short video did not make you uncomfortable.

[@montyyy08]

Hi Luke. Could you perhaps do a video on the different Latin accents they had back in the classical period? I’ve heard the Latin community here on KZbin say there’s much evidence of this, but other than Varro’s works, I can’t find any! Thanks.

[@louiserosefield38]

Baldur's gate 3 actually uses the proper classical Latin pronunciation in its incantations and spells. It's a pleasure to hear. Please review it

[@rhydianmann267]

I've been doing Latin on Duolingo for a few weeks. Yes, everyone else can call me out for not using ALI but I can't afford it..yet. Everything you said about voice actors not getting the sounds right is very accurate for Duolingo I feel. Not only that, it lacks phonemic length indicators so learning to speak it in Duolingo for me is based on your pronunciation. Nunc...Quis sacrificatis? (My current favourite yet random Duolingo phrase! )

[@spaghettiking653]

You may like seeing Luke's video on the "Ranieri-Dowling method", or otherwise check out a book called Lingua Latina Per Se Illustrata, which a lot of people say effectively teaches you fluent Latin grammar if you can read it to the end. I maxed out every skill on the Duolingo Latin course, but they have a stronger focus on vocabulary and they don't even teach you more than like 3 declensions and only the present tense (perhaps this's changed since I learnt), so unfortunately it couldn't take you further than the basic steps I suppose.

[@Teverell]

'I put on my legionary armour to talk about Latin in a video game'... *hears this and cracks up* I remember the *last* time you did that... Some of your responses in that case were absolutely hilarious. :D Gratiās tibi agō, magister, doceō linguam Latīnam librō LLPSI et ludō ALI. amāvī Latīnam in scholā, multōs annōs abhinc. (Declensiōnes nōn amicōs mihi!!)

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Et tibi grātiās agō!

[@TTorkyy]

Firaxis a small indie company can't be bothered to hire someone who knows their stuff. Edit. Civilization 7 is currently under development. I hope they reach out to people like you and don't butcher ancient latin and greek.

[@rachelwindsor850]

Lmao

[@Alba_Longa]

They've only been making 6 of this genre defining game so far. How can this poor small studio find budgets to hire a decent translators?

[@tariver1693]

I've been following the "Language translations for leaders saying" threads on CivFanatics for both Civ5 and 6 and from the discussions there - Firaxis outsource the translations and the voice acting and sometimes they find really good ones and sometimes really bad ones.

[@jerotoro2021]

I really hope they don't go full hipster with the leader choices like they did with 6. Nothing wrong with the iconic classics.

[@erikawhelan4673]

Firaxis is not a small indie studio lol

[@a-ice]

Can you make a video about Pericles in Civilization VI? He speaks Ancient Greek i guess so a video about it would be awesome.

[@davinbrown3072]

I’ve been learning Latin and I’m so used to hearing your Latin videos. I didn’t even realize you were speaking in English for the first couple seconds oof😅

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Haha a nice compliment

[@SoulcatcherLucario]

the "plaudō!" sarcasm killed me all too much, i missed this sass

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Haha I actually meant that sincerely here. But I was trying to be silly, so I'm glad you liked it

[@PC_Simo]

1:52 I do hear phonemic vowel length, here. So, that’s 1 point, for the voice actor, that doesn’t come naturally, for most Italians. *EDIT:* There, you addressed it, but say there was none. It could be that my Finnish ears are mistaking the slight lengthening of stressed vowels for phonemic vowel length; because Finnish doesn’t tie length to stress 🤔.

[@scoutfilms8127]

I don't study Latin, and yet you draw me to your videos plaudo!

[@josuecallejero9864]

"Then fall Caesar" is from Shakespeare's Julius Caesar.

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Yes, I misread the English as "fail" heh

[@jlop985]

You should review The Forgotten City. It has lots of Latin graffiti of varying quality.

[@ChadKakashi]

You look so slick in that armor.

[@tariver1693]

9:20 The English phrase is almost a direct quote from Shakespeare's Julius Caesar, Act III, Scene 1 - "Et Tu Brutè? - Then fall Cæsar."

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Yes, I misread the English as "fail," hence my confusion and not noticing the Shakespeare reference.

[@elkyop6809]

Love your reviews of Latin in media! I think you should take a look at the Latin in "Roman Songs", a short album in Latin by John Linnell. I like to sign along to the Latin and I've always wondered how good it was

[@C_B_Hubbs]

I have that album on vinyl! I agree, I want Luke to review it :)

[@carsondolezal4633]

Would the subtitle change in the defeat line be for the famous “last words” of Caesar, then translated to a correct speech?

[@lucasgomes3550]

A humble request, Song of Lament is a song from the game Elden Ring where they sing in Latin and I would be very curious to know your analysis of the song ( the song is beautiful by the way)

[@UnenlagiafraMaknoeja]

Does ALI plan to add Old Norse to their curriculum at some point? (Great video btw)

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Thanks! I bet they will some day

[@ancientlanguageinstitute]

We'd certainly like to! Currently focused on building out curriculum and classes for the four languages we offer, with no active plans for adding a fifth, but in terms of what might be next, Old Norse is very high on the list.

[@UnenlagiafraMaknoeja]

Excellent! Combined with Dr. Crawford's upcoming book, I guess there won't be any reason not to start picking up Old Norse

[@glendjuanda]

you should do Basil II next from Civilization VI, he speaks in byzantine greek

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

I’ll give it a look

[@acestillwell98]

I've never heard Caesar's name spoke in Latin and also heard that the German leader name Kaiser was derived from Caesar, but it never made since till now.

[@Sir_Casimir]

Fun Fact: the Proto-Germanic people pronounced Caesar as 'Keisar', later becoming 'Kaisar' in Old High German and finally 'Kaiser' in modern German. (It is surprising how many people try arguing Kaisar/Kaiser is "correct Latin" despite this.)

[@Duke_of_Lorraine]

Caesar in this game sounds more like Joaquim Phoenix's Commodus than what I'd have expected from Caesar

[@davidross2004]

Cor meum ab “Sesar” dolorum est. Mamma! Uhuhu! David plōrat.

[@SouthPark333Gaming]

I'm looking forward to seeing what you have to say about The Barbarians season 2

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

I wrote a whole review for it. But it was so disappointingly and inexcusably bad that I don’t feel like touching it again for a while.

[@SouthPark333Gaming]

@@polyMATHY_Luke Haha, I don't blame you! I couldn't even get past the third episode.

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

I wrote a whole script for my film review channel, but the displeasure of having to edit the whole thing makes my stomach turn.

[@HCRAYERT.]

I know this is unrelated to your video but what are your thoughts on "Middle English"? Will you ever cover it?

[@Nephastion22]

Usually in Civ Games the characters say complete different things that what is shown in the subtitles.

[@Bernd_Ernst]

Luke, the schwa-sound (ə) at the end of certain words is so typical Italian.

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

It sure is

[@labasurasesacasiempre]

"Et tu, Brutus..." tragoediā "Julius Caesar" ab William Shakespeare scripta inest.

[@grasshopper3085]

Could you make a video showcasing movies, series and video games where classic Latin is pronounced correctly?

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

The best is probably the first seasons of Barbarians, which I’ve already reviewed here on this channel. Enjoy!

[@zeroflea_1174]

Hey Luke! How is the Latin taught by the app Duolingo?

[@DISTurbedwaffle918]

His problem with the "nt" means he could be a Southern Italian or, may the Lord protect me, a Sicilian.

[@langeweileonline4720]

I find it verry interesting that Caesar (in some spoken way) sounds to germans like that Kaiser witch is actually the word for emperor and with that it's again beautyfully seen that many languages take smth from latin

[@oxidan78]

Hello! how difficult is to learn the latin fron the spanish? I would like to learn a basic conversation

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

I think you can learn quickly! Watch these kzbin.info/aero/PLU1WuLg45SiyrXahjvFahDuA060P487pV

[@oxidan78]

@@polyMATHY_Luke Thank you

[@MarcusAuelius]

I initially thought he was latin american when he said Caesar because the c in spanish is either a th or s depending on the accent. but then I couldn't ignore the shwa vowels

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Haha yup, my thoughts too

[@Kermaster]

Lets go a Caesar civ 6 Latin review

[@ArthurVIIJuliusPendragon]

Have you seen there’s a rendition of boulevard of broken dreams in classical latin? Would love to see you react to that

[@arthur_p_dent]

7:52 I am wondering. How about something like "ad portas" or "ante portas" instead?

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Sure, why not

[@flaviovisconti4415]

I read in a history manual that the actual quote from Caesar wasn’t “ālea iacta est” but “ālea iacta esto”, “may the dice be cast” making it a quote from the Arrhephoros by Menander “anerrhiphtho kybos”. Could that be true?

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Indeed! There are different attestations; it’s not clear if he said it in Greek or Latin or if he used the future imperative or present.

[@Brandon55638]

8:31 I think the translator meant to write it as "Tū quoque? Nam Caesar cadat." It's a quote from Shakespeare translated into Latin. Also, the way he said /sezar/ at the beginning instead of /kaesar/ is just as funny as when the Brazillian dubber in Thermae Rōmae Novae said /'dusere/ instead of /'du:kere/ for "dūcere".

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Right! I misread the English words I missed the Shakespear reference. Good translation. "Cadat igitur Caesar" would be my choice. Good call on the "dusere" haha

[@paiwanhan]

@polymathyluke Maybe you could do an episode where you ask ChatGPT to translate English movie quotes into Latin, and rate ChatGPT's Latin. I tried a couple of Princess Bride quotes, and it seems to be more accurate than Google Translate, though I'm a total noob when it comes to Latin, so I'm a poor judge of the faithfulness of the translations.

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

A very fun idea

[@davidbalogun7569]

You should review Basil the seconds medieval Greek in this game. I always wondered how good or bad it was

[@k0mp0cik]

Hanc pelliculam aspicere incepi velocius quam Caesar Rubiconem transabiit! (Nescio quomodo "click" latine dicamus)

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

"pulsāre" solēmus dīcere.

[@k0mp0cik]

@@polyMATHY_Luke Optimus magister ad auxilium semper volens paratusque

[@felicityc]

i clicked to learn some latin and i was not expecting seeing fire burning down the library of alexandria

[@daniel_is_aladdin]

For the “nam Caesar ruat” part - it’s clear that the text is taken from Shakespeare’s play “Julius Caesar” during the famous assassination scene - “Et tu Brute! Then fall Casear.” Here the word ‘fall’ has an imperative sense, as this would have been a poetic device in Early Modern English - referring to oneself in the 2nd person, to command oneself to do something. So the English is perfectly fine, and really neat reference. And for the Latin, though I am by NO means a fluent or even particularly good speaker, being an amateur at most, it would then be “Nam rue, Caesar” or “Nam Caesar rue!” to express the imperative meaning :)

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Yes, I misread "fall" as "fail" and the famous Shakespearean line somehow didn't come to mind when I make that reading error. For the Latin, the "nam" is one of the weirdest things here.

[@wholesome3759]

Real random question, but how would u say the phrase “The limp in your stride” in Latin? Implying we are the limp in your stride? If that helps.

[@sonnyjim5268]

Thanks for this. Could you do a review of Google Translate?

[@MrGtrMike]

Luke, could you help me with something? I’m trying to come up with a Latin worded tattoo dedicated to my grandmother. I would like it to be religious / spiritual in nature. Here’s the tough part 😅 Her name was Ada. And I’d like each word of the phrase to follow her name. Ave Deus *insert word that begins with A. Thus repelling her name indirectly. Because I am not fluent nor know the language/ vocabulary well, Im struggling. I want to make sure that it actually makes sense; google translate can only take you so far. I hope you can help me, this means a lot to me. Thank you! 🙏🏼

[@suem6004]

I hope they reach us to you. As you say there is no excuse not to hire professionals so your product does not come across as a joke.

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Thanks. I'm just one among many, so it would be great if they found *someone*

[@playrasputin3457]

Since Civ 7 is officially announced to be in development maybe you should try to get in touch with Firaxis for quality Latin voice acting!

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

It’s up to them to get their nonsense together. They can contact me if they want.

[@alleythetoaster8401]

Antique Agent 47 was teaching me Latin. Amazing

[@BulletTheEnforcer]

Methinks that Marcus was the “scholar”whom the developers of this game consulted.

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Haha. I’m sure they kid could have done much better. He’s a native speaker after all, even if not a great speller

[@BulletTheEnforcer]

@@polyMATHY_Luke True, I didn’t think about him being a native speaker, quia is pigerrimus discipulus est.

[@danielpurs9746]

Hi, I have recently wathced The First King. This film is in latin and I would love your reaction to it. Just a litlle idea for a video 👀

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

I discussed it here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aJLRc2N4ea9onJI The film is trash, and the “Latin” is worse. Ditto the Romulus show

[@JustyHakubi]

As a Civ VI player I am wondering when they added this Caesar? I only have Trajan. I have all the DLCs. I'll have to check my playable leaders again. They may have snuck him in there while I wasn't looking.

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

I heard it was recently

[@michaelbuer68]

Salve, Luci, sescentas gratias! Since it's a pronounciation Video: Could you explain to me (or tell me where I can look it up), why the vowel é in éius is short whereas the ē in ēiusmodi most of the time is long?

[@Glossologia]

It's actually short in both of them. Often you'll see words like ejus, major, pejor, troja, etc. incorrectly marked with a long vowel before the i/j. The reason for this is that the initial syllable is long, and so it was mistakenly believed at one point that this was due to a long vowel. The reason for the long syllable is actually that between vowels represents a geminated consonant [jj], so ejus is really pronounced ejjus and ejusmodi is pronounced ejjusmodi. We can see this preserved in Italian, e.g. majōrem > maggiore, pejus > peggio, etc.

[@michaelbuer68]

​@@Glossologia gratias. Do you know any book about that topic I can read this up? Ty!

[@LHEli]

Hello Luke, would you consider reviewing the Latin in the game "Fallout New Vegas"? Thank you.

[@thomashorsten835]

Remember in "Romanes eunt ad domum" where you said a teacher will say stuff to people, now you are saying what that teacher would do :P

[@polyMATHY_Luke]

Hahah definitely. I would add that I would never treat a student in such a way. But when a multi-million dollar company makes a mistake in a huge part of their marketing material, they're asking to be critiqued. That's how I see it, anyway.

[@armyaj]

They need to get you to do the Latin

[@Shutendoji]

I remember playing one of the Civilisation games, I think it was Civ 5, and met with Wu Zetian, empress of China. Now there is a very special type of parlance that Chinese royalty used, a form of Classical Chinese with special pronouns used only by the emperor, with lots of flowery idioms to express their power and wisdom. However, she sounds like a shy exchange student, speaking in casual modern Mandarin. It's incredibly jarring. I'd rather have her speak English. I imagine Luke must feel the same about crappy Latin like in this case.

[@TheRealAldrius]

No matter what/how they pronounce latin in games,movies or music, I will always pronounce latin in Classical latin