Cain and Abel in the Bible & Quran | Dr. Shabir Ally

[@gogologoalgologo7903]

From a non muslim point of view, your speech on the Cain & Abel story is relevant, clear and honest. It is also opening to further study or meditation. Peace with you all.

[@QuranSpeaks]

Thank you for watching and sharing these thoughts with us! Peace be with you too!

[@eagleeyes6642]

Shalom Shalom...It was not just about sincerity about God's provided way and that was the life the blood of an innocent one(animal is innocent not us)... And that's why through the OT it's always been by the blood and the high priest could not enter the Sanctuary without blood and it had to be sprinkled 7 times on the mercy seat as God instructed His prophet servant Moses.

[@eagleeyes6642]

That's where the Virgin birth of the Lord Jesus comes in and It was for a purpose... As John the Baptist said," There's the Lamb of God that would take a way the sins of the world.... 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. John 1:29

[@zayedhossain5497]

Can we get more of these episodes please, where Doctor Shabir compares figures from the Bible and the Quran, I’m pretty sure many of us would love it and find it informative, that including me

[@QuranSpeaks]

Yes, we'd love to do more of this. Please help us by sharing this video with other people who might be interested.

[@Quantumarine]

I find it interesting and refreshing that Dr. Shabir seems very educated in both texts and in spiritual maturity, responds to Dr. Safiyyah's comments that almost seem to show she misunderstands the common thread and how to read/interpret the Bible when mirrored with the Quran. I appreciate his view and how he gently corrects the tone of the answer as it relates to her question/comments. Great discussion

[@noahwamalwa4385]

Very informative! Big Thanks Dr Sophia and Shabir

[@merlenepillay5760]

I am not not Muslim, and I think u guys are awesome. God bless you both.

[@parkerbarefoot4255]

What God are you praying to, to bless them??? Jehovah and Allah are not the same

[@MrJujuhunkin]

As a Christian this was so good. 🙏💙

[@parkerbarefoot4255]

If this sounded good, you may not be an authentic Christian. Koran has terrible understanding of Cain and Abel

[@buckoneal7483]

You

[@ceedee873]

​@@parkerbarefoot4255 He was very respectful to be honest and he did correct the hostess on a claim or two, I think it's important to understand other religions to get a wider grasp and understanding in general. It's good to hear Muslims talk about the bible regardless, even if they don't believe in it.

[@parkerbarefoot4255]

​@@ceedee873 Thanks for being honest by mentioning the Muslim was being respectful. But what point did I say he was being disrespectful???? That's where you're being dishonest, bc your "honesty" implies I said he was disrespectful. Anyway. You want to understand other religions to get a better grasp??? Better grasp of what??? Religion?? At what point do you start asking for truth? Unless you want to listen to half-truths all day. I tried Islam. Did my Shahada. Six months into it I realized there's some serious contradictions in Islam. Bible says whoever tells a different version of Jesus, may that person be a cursed. Islam contains cursed doctrine. Truth matters. If you put your faith in the wrong theology, you're not in union with God

[@ceedee873]

@@parkerbarefoot4255 A better grasp at how God works his glory through other people with different belief systems. As a Christian I'm always in awe seeing all walks of life come to Christ. I already have the truth, John 14:6. Just because I find other religions fascinating doesn't mean I can't discern the truth for myself. Really at the end of the day it justifies God's glory and seeing people in Abrahamic faiths follow Christ is interesting as it would be a very familiar road that they grew up with. They know Isa (Jesus) they know Abraham they know Isaac they know Noah etc.

[@drsaher8968]

I disagree with the last answer where scholar said that Quranic stories are not literal. When Allah narrates a story by telling that this happened, then we BELIEVE that it happened EXACTLY. Lessons are drawn but we do not EVER نعوذبااللہ Say that Allah is falsifying a madeup story to be an event. If the scholar did not mean what it came across he should clarify. واللہ اعلم In chapter 3, verse 7, Allah Karim says that People with Firm knowledge say "We believe in All (of Quran), Every part is from our Lord". The whole ayat is very relevant. Anyone reading please please go and read it. May Allah Karim make us all from الذين راسخون في العلم

[@timetoboogie92]

I respect how Dr. Shabir Ally has a clear, unbiased,view . Though apparently Muslim, he doesn't speak in a way of putting the Quran above the Bible in terms of how they each share stories

[@jame2182]

Alhamdulila. These two human beings are KNOWINGLY WILLINGLY AND PURPOSELY teaching all of us. Subhan Allah

[@emansphoto_6428]

I’m a Christian, and I find shabir very informative and I appreciate this show. However, the hostess can sometimes be very annoying in my opinion: she interrupts shabir so many times, not giving him the time to answer and proceeds to ask another question.

[@deliranteotaku]

I think that's the best part of it. She is also smart and willing to go beyond what the original questions are.

[@LearnHassaniya]

Please, subscribers of this channel promote this channel everywhere you can on social media. It is weird it only 1k plus subscribers. This channel arguably the best channel on KZbin. Muslims and non-muslims should subscribe to this one. Dr Shabir, in my opinion, is the only scholar that project things exactly the way the are. He is the furthest thing from bais, préjudice, or his own opinions. Thanks a lot for your credibility and honestly. This exactly what keeps someone's image. It is shocking to me how this channel is underated. Pleas, let people know about this channel.

[@QuranSpeaks]

Thank you so much! We would love to be able to share our message with more viewers! We appreciate your help and duas.

[@charley408]

Ask and ye shall receive. 1000k subscribed, one year later 250k+ subscribed.

[@SonOfCheepThrill]

love this channel.. as usual., very informative.. 😀😀

[@Takeitlightly6]

Has a voice of an Audiobook narrator and a GPS voice navigation….Very whats the word….anyway respect.

[@alangzainab24]

I am so sorry, but where do the details of this story ever mentioned in the Quran?

[@MrRat86]

Al maidah 27 32

[@krienbergproductions8844]

Please stop stealing jewish scriptures and changing it in your own book.

[@rifmaffia]

What i dont understand; Kaine killed Abel and was forced to flee. Kaine was afraid that people would kill him because of Abel... What humans where alive at that time? I thought Kaine Abel and Adam Eve where the only one. Besides the twin sisters of Kaine and Abel... So who would kill Kaine?

[@JA-eq5um]

There were other people. God created the ethnos. They were lesser people Adam and Eve were perfect. I know in today’s age it’s not very popular to say something like that but that’s what happened

[@Neko.Virtual]

the people that already existed before Adam and Eve; And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

[@MrRat86]

Caine left and took habeel body with him and didn't know wat to do untill he saw a crown diging the ground, he was so regretted and said i didn't had this much brain to know where to burial the body and how.

[@Los_Servants]

I love Dr. Shabir Ally.

[@looaxe6468]

What's fascinating is both books have alot of the same stories. That's how you know this stuff really happened!!!

[@Neko.Virtual]

there's no proof of it happening whatsoever, the koran just copies and rephrases the story from the ot

[@looaxe6468]

@@Neko.Virtual If we had proof it's real that would make it knowledge not faith.

[@buckoneal7483]

No that’s how you know Muhammad stole stories from the Bible!

[@simongriffiths2214]

Loved Dr. Ally here but I was a bit cheesed off at the interviewer.. I picked this up through Jordan Petersons discussions and wanted to see the close links between these religions, impressed..

[@ABDULRHEEM-kr1kr]

Convey message of Islam to all people of the world and to everyone who will come also convey message of Islam to all world leaders

[@parkerbarefoot4255]

Why??? Islam leads to hell

[@janbouso2063]

How can one contact dr. Shabir ally?

[@eastsidemuu]

I heard Caine killed Able over his sister & The sacrifice was the offer of forgiveness. For what he had done?

[@TheHaqqRemains]

yes lol he was also jealous of Abel's wife, he never mentioned that

[@michaeljustice124]

Technically he killed his brother before before the 10 commandments, so was it really a sin? (Obviously it was, I’m just saying though...)

[@shahram6869]

(Possibly ignorant view here) I suppose it depends on whether you believe in innate goodness. I know the Quran certainly propagates that idea and that revelation (in your case, the 10 commandments) only comes to confirm this innate goodness in human beings.

[@chawza8402]

since Adam is a prophet, he must have communicate to God before or after he came to earth. so he should have teach a few lesson things or two about living to his family. but its just my speculation

[@noahwamalwa4385]

It is generally agreed that such Genesis stories are collection of ancient myth stories! But no doubt they have great moral lessons to draw from

[@QuranSpeaks]

Thank you for sharing.

[@9845800735]

Sorry to say, finally dint told that who is the wife of Cain, from where she came....

[@andrewaitken6923]

G9 3-6 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat. And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man. Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man. ... So God made a "new" covenant with Noah and all the living creatures that were on the ark! Here we are told again that all flesh is food for us but the flesh with the blood therein which is the life thereof, you shall not eat! If you break this covenant, then as did Cain kill Able so too does your brother seek to kill and destroy you...

[@DONTHATETHEPLAYA321]

I need too know who the people are in the land of NOD?????????

[@DONTHATETHEPLAYA321]

@Just ME really

[@maxamedmaxamudmusa9759]

Sister listen more than asking please he is sharing knowledge with us all

[@xposed1333]

Abel was a herdsmen, David was a herdsmen, and Jesus is the good shepherd and thee son of the Living through our holy Bible, Amen.

[@consciencetruth9673]

But it was never mentioned in the Bible that Cain gave the worst of his produce. It has always confuse me.

[@habibahmed3191]

Because the Bible has been changed so many times.

[@Neko.Virtual]

exactly, the bible only says that Cain's offering got rejected but not why

[@eagleeyes6642]

It was rejected not because it was not out of sincerity nor that it was not the best fruit!!! It was rejected because it was not God's provided way...God's provided way was through the blood of an innocent one snd right through the OT it had to be blood not fruit as God spoke it through His servant prophet Moses. NOW THINK OF WHY THE LORD JESUS BIRTH HAD TO BE VIRGIN BORN. 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. John 1

[@eagleeyes6642]

@@habibahmed3191 The Bible is the Word of God so according to you God "cannot even watch over His Own Word!!!"

[@consciencetruth9673]

@@habibahmed3191 its not that it has changed many times... it is just that there are many version of it. The fact that there are many versions of the Bible, the true meaning can be preserved. But the Quran's other version have been burnt down. Now we dont really know if the Quran we have now is really the true version or not.

[@saeedsaeed7381]

Masha Allah Sheikh well explain topic BarakAllah feek

[@psychokinetics06]

did cain go to hell forever? he regreted his decision and felt guilt when the crow came to him, that must be a positive?

[@Peanut888..]

Hell ? Are you referring to burning in hellfire?

[@psychokinetics06]

@@Peanut888.. yes that's exactly what I mean

[@Peanut888..]

@@psychokinetics06 Nonense

[@Neko.Virtual]

@@psychokinetics06 genesis doesn't tell us anything about Cain after he got cursed

[@afiam6345]

Adam is the not first man or father of cain and abel. but Adam itself means human or insaan.. no eve ,cain or abel in Quran

[@tomlue9714]

This Dr. clearly said that the Qur'an is in essence to spread knowledge about morality, I loved that he said that. Sadly most muslims nowadays focus more on cheering our religion and disrespecting other people for their beliefs as people do in sports. (all the religions nowadays are like that but I can see muslims doing that to a much greater extent). Religion is about values, if one spreads he is more of a nonmuslim to my eyes than a Christian. Islam preaches peace, not hate.

[@drsaher8968]

Brother MOST Muslims do not do that. Most Muslims respects all religions, teachings and peace for all. Very few Muslims who behave otherwise are over projected to show as disrespectful. More than 90% I believe respect all scriptures, prophets and humanity in general.

[@shekhinah09]

The Hebrew talmud explain the topic many years before Quran, the idea of if any man kill a soul is as if he has kill the whole humanity.... Quran take the teaching from talmud base on own understanding. Read talmud 37a, 12 below "The proof for this is as we found with Cain, who killed his brother, as it is stated concerning him: “The voice of your brother’s blood [demei] cries out to Me from the ground” (Genesis 4:10). The verse does not state: Your brother’s blood [dam], in the singular, but rather: “Your brothers blood [demei],” in the plural. This serves to teach that the loss of both his brother’s blood and the blood of his brother’s offspring are ascribed to Cain. The mishna notes: Alternatively, the phrase “your brother's blood [demei],” written in the plural, teaches that that his blood was not gathered in one place but was splattered on the trees and on the stones. The court tells the witnesses: Therefore, Adam the first man was created alone, to teach you that with regard to anyone who destroys one soul from the Jewish people, i.e., kills one Jew, the verse ascribes him blame as if he destroyed an entire world, as Adam was one person, from whom the population of an entire world came forth. And conversely, anyone who sustains one soul from the Jewish people, the verse ascribes him credit as if he sustained an entire world.

[@Martin-lv1xw]

What a lie.. the Bible doesn’t say Cain took his wife but knew his wife.. meaning that he must have got there already married… and one possibility he might have took one of his sister with him.

[@Eric-z6i4p]

For thousands of years through the bible until the crucifixion of Christ, God has demanded a blood sacrifice for the atonement of sins. When Adam sinned against God, it was God who sacrificed an innocent animal’s blood to atone for Adam’s sin and to cover his nakedness. Adam used fig leaves, but God gave him animal skins. Cain killed his brother Abel because God accepted Abel’s offering of a blood sacrifice, but rejected Cain’s offering without the blood. In Christianity, we have the blood of Jesus Christ on the cross as the final and perfect sacrifice for sin for all of mankind. Your rituals (doing good deeds, giving Zakah to the poor, praying five times a day, visiting Kaaba, etc.) are noble acts, but they are like the offering given by Cain without the blood, an offering that God has already rejected.

[@Neko.Virtual]

If Jesus resurrected three days after his "death" then he didn't really die on the cross, if Jesus was divine then there's no point of a sacrifice since god doesn't die, God sacrificed an animal for Adam not himself...

[@parkerbarefoot4255]

​@@Neko.Virtualresurrecting from the dead implies that he died. Of course the physical body be dead and the divine spirit be alive. Your regulations are severely flawed

[@lahleholivia7398]

The Smithsonian institution showed us the Cain and Abel story was copied from the Sumerian Pagan Emesh and Enten legend written 6000 years ago 😮

[@honestabe_9207]

Well said, but um... *0:34** Genesis 4*

[@dr.kishorkumar7695]

With so much narration in common between the 2compendium literatures writtensome 7 centuries apart, isnt it evident rationally that the latter is PLAGIARIZED? Abel to Abil Cain to Kabil Amen to Ameen.

[@hamzashahbaz7377]

So you things are these just stories to teach human morals ? And Quran rewrite stories with change ?

[@andrewaitken6923]

So it was Abel's own doing that resulted in his undoing...

[@muhammad.husnain6819]

I don't get you. The guy was just keen on having a great sacrifice unlike Cain. And so when Cains sacrifice was not accepted rather than trying to better himself he decided in killing Abel. Abel did nothing wrong Cain killed him and so he was cursed and rightly so

[@andrewaitken6923]

@@muhammad.husnain6819 1st - Able was not doing the will of his Father but rather the will of his Mother. 2nd - Cain was doing the Father's will. As a result, Able sinned against his Father and his brother. This is the greatest lesson in the scriptures... Do the will of the Father and you will honour your Mother... then you will do what is right.

[@muhammad.husnain6819]

@@andrewaitken6923 I have no Idea what you are saying man.

[@andrewaitken6923]

@@muhammad.husnain6819 Who is the Mother of all the living? And is she made for Adam or is Adam made for Eve?

[@andrewaitken6923]

@@muhammad.husnain6819 Furthermore Adam was to plough and till the land for food as instructed by God, his Father. So too are also the duties of the son's - Cain, first-born and Able second-born... Where and when was Adam instructed to tend flock/sheep?

[@pickletime8678]

Jesus is king we got it on camera

[@amirlal3386]

All I ask is why did god let me kill him he manipulated me to kill Him because that’s what he wanted

[@MrRat86]

Life is a test, shaitaan manipulates Allah guide u to right path...

[@shekhinah09]

Adamand eve have more than two children

[@johnsaltzohuigin6660]

Jesus said we are the sheep. Thus meaning Cain was a firstling. Which is true of a firstborn sheep. Abel was killed in a field cause Abel went to kill Cain. As it was Abel who killed the firstlings. You call it murder. I call it self defense.

[@upside-down6211]

Who was Cain's Wife ?

[@zenamendler5632]

Lilith n eve

[@peterhwang3479]

Even the Quranic commentary on this biblical story is taken from the Jewish Talmud. Remember that the Bible is the original word of God and the histories for all of the prophets. All else is commentary.

[@theishmaelitecaesar6431]

Now here's something new: I thought the Bible was written by witnesses, or am I mistaken, subjected to change, and has now how many versions? I believe in the original Gospel and the Torah.

[@peterhwang3479]

@@theishmaelitecaesar6431 Fake revisionist muslim history, not even supported by the Quran or hadith. The original Gospel and Torah are in the Bible. Prove otherwise.

[@theishmaelitecaesar6431]

@@peterhwang3479 Note even supported by the Qur'an and Hadith? Alright this'll be a long one. Explain to me why the message in Islam is different than the message in Christianity then. Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) has had no direct contact with Christians, let alone the Bible, throughout the years of revelation of the Qur'an. The people in Mecca were Jews and Pagans, not Christians. Christians were very rare in the Arab Peninsula. Yet Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) supposedly came out with same Biblical stories with the Quranic interpretation of them out of nowhere, right? That he managed to improvise? And that's coming from the Prophet (PBUH) who was an illiterate man, couldn't read or write, and worked as a merchant throughout the early years of his life. 2nd: That there are many different "versions" of the Bible, that the Bible is written by "witnesses", and that Jesus Christ (Prophet Isa PBUH to us) did not declare he's Son of God, nor was he God himself in a multitude of instances, yet you ascribe that to him. Not to mention that the Qur'an itself directly contradicts that claim, so there must be something wrong.

[@peterhwang3479]

@@theishmaelitecaesar6431 Easily refuted. The Quran is more likely written by some 6th century Syrian Christian heretic. It is more directed towards Christians with some pre-existing knowledge of the Syriac literature of the day (including the Bible), rather than pagan Arabs. That is why much of the Quran is incomprehensible once you step out of that culture. It is also why the proto-Arabic alphabet is derived from Nabatean Aramaic. The whole narrative about Muhammad and how he received the Quran was invented centuries after the Quran. Hence, the now famous "holes in the narrative".

[@theishmaelitecaesar6431]

@@peterhwang3479 Baseless claims with no spine, just as mine are "easily refuted". "More directed towards Christians", Who was the Qur'an for again? "Much of the Qur'an is incomprehensible, once you step out of that culture". Are you for real now? Our Prophet has one of, if not the most well documented biography. His small cave where he used to meditate everyday going to and fro from Mecca and got the revelation at still stands today, far from any contact (Mecca was very small at that time), let alone Christians. The Christians were a very rare sight in Mecca where pagan Arabs were inhabiting the area. The Jews just managed to co-exist with them.

[@andrewaitken6923]

The lesson is that if like Eve, you choose to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, then you can expect good and evil to bear fruit in your life... Cain was doing what he had seen his father, Adam doing and therefore tilled and worked the ground. Abel on the other hand was doing the work of his mother, Eve... which was to undermine God's authority and choose to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil... Abel herded sheep! Baal worship would require the sacrifice of his sheep and they would eat thereof...

[@andrewaitken6923]

@Safè . Matter is Feminine - the flesh, it is secondary to the Spirit and as a result thereof. As Adam existed first then Eve was made, the place where the Spirit abides.

[@LearnHassaniya]

Please, subscribers of this channel promote this channel everywhere you can on social media. It is weird it only 1k plus subscribers. This channel arguably the best channel on KZbin. Muslims and non-muslims should subscribe to this one. Dr Shabir, in my opinion, is the only scholar that project things exactly the way the are. He is the furthest thing from bais, préjudice, or his own opinions. Thanks a lot for your credibility and honestly. This exactly what keeps someone's image. It is shocking to me how this channel is underated. Pleas, let people know about this channel.

[@parkerbarefoot4255]

How can he speak truth when Muhammad was a false prophet??? Why don't Muslims mention how Abel gave a blood sacrifice??? Why are Muslims afraid to engage on the topic of God demanding a blood sacrifice???