Caller Takes Opponent on Trip to VALUE TOWN

Today a caller recounts a hand from a $2-$5 No Limit cash game where he takes his opponent for a nice bit of maximum value. Bart and he go over the spot and the hand reading techniques that can be learned from the hand.
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[@supersmoo7377]

Pat sounds like he’s been awake for 36 hours straight or he’s highly medicated.

[@austindavidson6150]

It’s just a lot of heroin in his lungs

[@chriskoshinski]

The most monotone voice I've ever heard.... the donkey from Winnie the poo comes to mind lol.

[@TheCondorPMH]

@@austindavidson6150, no drugs here. I'll try to me more animated next time.

[@TheCondorPMH]

Sorry man :-)

[@TheCondorPMH]

@@chriskoshinski LOL

[@davemontgomery8987]

Bart - I really like your "first thought" on here and your podcast.

[@supersmoo7377]

The average poker player tends to focus in on the one or two hands that beat them, and they don’t realize it’s such a small percentage compared to the number of hands in their opponent’s range on the river.

[@aa10759tghj]

I don't think putting your opponent on any ranges makes sense. Nor does reading your own hand make a lot of sense. Just focus on the community cards and outplay them on the turn and river

[@officeofpeaceinformation5094]

Never fold, so their range on the River irrelevant imo.

[@supersmoo7377]

@@officeofpeaceinformation5094 I agree in this particular spot; I'm just speaking in general. For a second there, it did seem like the caller was worried about the straight.

[@soxinseven04]

I love these kinds of river spots, very interesting. I think I would bet a little larger since there are a bunch of 2 pair and Axcc that can call.

[@adamseidel9780]

Seems like the play is like $230, no?

[@Dylan-vm4gl]

What a great hand! Also, what’s villian sticking around with on the flop, second pair no draw? Kinda shows why we should go for max value as an exploit.

[@mplovecraft]

The mistake on villains part was preflop, not postflop.

[@Dylan-vm4gl]

@@mplovecraft surely A9s as a call is +ev from the CO on many small stakes table dynamics. A9o I agree is a mistake. Irregardless, mistakes can happen on all streets

[@kellegyheadshot]

Second pair top kicker is the most obvious call ever otf vs hp cbet, do you actually fold there?

[@MikeJones-zu7cq]

where do I get CLP merch Bart? I'm at Chasers 3 times a week and still haven't had the honor. Did catch a rampage punt a few weeks back. That was fun

[@dynamicsecurity9]

Now we know why Lumbergh (from Office Space) plays hookie on Saturdays

[@adamseidel9780]

8s are so infrequent here that we’re more worried about 77 and 99 than straights. Do we feel like the greedy 1/3 at $130 is too small though and we could go for a greedy 2/3 at like $230 instead? Can’t see A9 folding to the extra $100, or J10, J9, 910 etc…

[@DannyAIC]

Great river bet

[@TheCondorPMH]

Thanks Danny!

[@gofish2365]

This dude reminds me of Toby from the office.

[@victorarshavskiy4216]

What do you guys think about some 350+ bet at the end? Really looks like an attempt to represent an 8 (or a bluff)

[@wheresbarry1434]

I like it but I am not very good at poker.

[@MikeKoler]

Not sure. I think it might only get called by an 8... but if you've cultivated a wild bluffy image it could get a call from someone. If I saw 350 on the river I'd go back to preflop and probably guess KQcc... and based on player I'd lean towards fold but idk.

[@engineeringpoker6801]

why would you want to do that? you are going to fold out alot of the hands that your ahead of and going to get value from and get no folds from hands that are beaten you

[@adamseidel9780]

I think there’s merit to a larger bet but that might be too bold in this player pool and start to scare off a lot of the weaker 2 pairs in a way that $130 didn’t or even a little over $200 wouldn’t

[@engineeringpoker6801]

@@adamseidel9780 agreed

[@MrTjthorso]

For how slow the caller talks, I would think he's more of a Horseshoe Hammond kind of guy

[@lv20213]

Maybe even a Four Winds South Bend

[@MrTjthorso]

@@lv20213 never been there. Surely the vibes can't be as bad as the shoe?

[@volkancelik9040]

Hey Bart, there was a guy constantly said "He is level 2, He is level 2" You laughed so hard on this call. Do you remember which call was that

[@gazorpazorp9798]

Caller is too excited he really needs to calm down so I can understand what you’re saying.

[@sillychinas]

I like the pat, bet

[@TheCondorPMH]

Thanks Kevin!

[@MrPhilaCuse]

Betting an extra $10 "protects from the flush draw" Lol.

[@paredg2]

Rollin down the street smokin Endo....

[@naromi9867]

Great point!!! Genius!

[@apocalypsepromotions7676]

...sippin on gin and juice..

[@marioh2211]

@@apocalypsepromotions7676 ...laid back...

[@everythingallin4905]

@@marioh2211 with my mind on my money and my money on my mind.

[@TakenGTs]

Let's goo 🤣☝️☝️ A9, Kj , Qj , 10-8 , j8, aj , ak this was my list of hands A,9 was 1st! 😭😭

[@vectormedianews]

No more Garrett content for Bart aweee😅

[@jd9d8f9dsf98dsuf8sdf]

this is a complex spot that is really hard to play especially not knowing vilain range and just in general hard to play i think flop high frequency bet turn is like some what of a good card for hero but also not as good as it might seem because a lot of your bluff flop bet don't have an A so I think you should polarize with 1.2 to 1.5 overbet with your value like KK QQ JJ 99 77 and some KQ QTs some flush draws because I don't think that 75% makes fold pair +gut shot like J8 and JT and has played on the river I think the river bet is somewhat ok against a not too agressive opponent but it's really exploitative because you open yourself to big raise against KJ and QJ and yes it is unlikely that hero has an 8 but really not impossible like J8, 98, 87, Ac8c, KcQc and also not unlikely that a fish would call two streets with random KQ a

[@jackryan716]

It seems as though what matters most in poker is knowing your opponent's tendencies. If your opponent over calls and bluffs at a less frequency then when he shows aggression you can default to folding especially on the river. A high percentage of the time. Obviously you can go a step further and say what percentage does he bluff on what board types. If you don't have any information on your opponent I like to default to folding to high aggression especially on the river. If your opponent is over bluffing then I like calling down with weaker hands otherwise you will get run over. I know that sounds obvious. It's hard to make good hands in poker. Even though Ace Jack is far from the nuts on this board if you run a simulation in terms of what most likely is the best hand Ace Jack is close to the nuts. Of course on occasion your opponent will have 97 for bottom two pair, Jack nine for top two pair. A set of nines and a set of sevens. And sometimes Jack 7 suited for top and bottom. But if your opponent just calls on the flop the percentage of him having the afro mentioned hands goes down dramatically especially on this coordinated board. But a very high percentage of the time you're going to have the best hand if your opponent just calls the flop on this board type. People don't play optimally. Only the very few play at an optimal level. It's almost impossible to play at an optimal level in real time because there's so much information you have to take into account an most players don't take 5 minutes for every street played. In my opinion if you're going to play optimally you would need to tank for at least a few minutes on each street to calculate the best decision in your head thus optimal play is very rare. There's so many hands you can get value from with top hair top kicker. King Jack, Queen Jack, Jack 10, Jack eight, Queen 10, King 10, 9 10, 8 9, pocket eights, pocket tens, Ace 9, King 9, Queen 9. And of course once the player in the middle folds the last player to act will have bottom pair a certain percentage of the time. 76, ace 7, 78, Queen 7 suited, King 7 suited, pocket sixes. Of course there are other draws like 86, 10-6 suited, 85 suited of spades, Queen 8 of spades. Sometimes Queen 8 with a club especially if your opponent called on the small blind, big blind or straddle. I guess what I'm trying to say is there are so many combinations of hands that are weaker than top hair top kicker. So I like betting a high percentage of the time when I make a pair especially when I can get value from a weaker pair or a pair with a smaller kicker than mine. Obviously there are going to be times where you lose when you bet a lot because your opponents are going to have a better hand than you sometimes. But I look at things and it's totality. If I'm going to have the best hand a high percentage of the time I'm going to bet that hand almost every time. I'm not worried about getting raised off my hand because I will default to the player type and base my decision off that. If I don't know my opponent I default to folding when opponent shows aggression. Most of the time my hand will be folded on the Turn or River. Such as if I have no information on my opponent and I bet ace 9 on this flop and get raised I'm going to call. If my opponent that's half pot or less I'm going to call again. If opponent bets 2/3 or pot I might fold more often. If my opponent that's pot on the river I like a fold most of the time. If opponent bets half pot I might make a call some of the time but fold most of the time with no information on the opponent. It's okay to be wrong. That's going to happen. You just want to be right more often. Obviously that's pretty obvious. But sometimes stating the obvious is important for context. So my philosophy is betting a lot even with a nine. Such as if I had Ace 9 I like betting small on the flop a little less than half pot on the turn and checking the river. You could still get value with middle pair top kicker by all the nines as you force them to call with your small continuation bet otherwise your opponent will be over folding. And if your opponent does overfold you make the proper adjustments. If somebody overfolds you can slow down when they call. If your opponent over calls then you can bet a lot more mediocre hands for value. And you don't really have to worry about somebody slow playing something if they just called on the flop or the turn. Of course it's a possibility but it's more likely they have a weaker hand on this board if they just call call. Most of the time people don't go for thin value. Also their bet size can be exploited. For instance if you bet the flop with Ace 9 and you bet the turn and checked the river if your opponent bet river for a small size you could put them on King Jack Queen Jack. Opposed if he bet 2/3 pot you could put him on a busted draw or turning a weaker hand into a bluff like 7 8. Often times people don't bet big on the river with top pair second kicker or worse especially if they were the preflop caller and called down flop and turn and when you check they normally don't bet huge. Of course they will sometimes but generally speaking they wouldn't choose a huge size with that type of holding. Put it this way the opponent is more likely to bet a bigger size with a busted draw than he is with King Jack or queen Jack. And since your opponent just called The flop and turn it's unlikely that he has a monster. Because on a coordinated board like this people normally raise to protect their hand and to build a pot. Most people don't bet big for value especially on the river. Which is why in that situation that I just outlined I like a fold more often to small bet such as a third pot on the river if I had Ace 9. If the opponent bet 2/3 pot or bigger I like a call more often. Hopefully that made sense. Kind of all over the place so my apologies.

[@jackryan716]

I was just talking about the flop. I wasn't using this specific hand in terms of its turn and River as an example. I was just using the flop as an example.

[@tanthony298]

Won't you take me to funk...value town.

[@jonathanluevano888]

Paul hahahaha

[@kyletracy3684]

Bueller? Bueller?

[@Stream_King]

Mr. Rogers.

[@TheCondorPMH]

LOL! Never heard that before! I guess I can hear that.

[@GotoyourhomeBall]

Hero needs to be careful with his river block sizes from out of position. Maybe the field isn’t capable or studied enough but pros will jail you on the river.

[@kitbillion7783]

I played with more than 1000 players in live poker and I know like 3 people who are capeable of bluffraising the river in a spot like that

[@GotoyourhomeBall]

@@kitbillion7783 Come to the online mtt streets where it’s not a limping face-value snooze fest. If V has a decent image hero folds everything. The question is what sizing V takes and if that sizing is balanced.. Ofc it’s easier to pull off river bluffs behind the computer, you don’t face the same discomfort/humility if called. So let me ask if only .3% of the live population can bluff raise rivers, what are your exploits?

[@fireinfireout]

@@GotoyourhomeBall this whole thing is literally about LIVE poker. It’s in the name even….

[@moaf2padventures757]

lol stop it. the #1 most important trait to have as a low stakes live poker player is the ability to get value where other players arent able to. its where a VAST majority of your edge comes from. kudos to hero for playing the hand pretty much perfectly. and like bart pointed out already, youre almost never getting raised by anyone on this river. it looks like you backed into the nuts with KQ or basically have an airball. which is why you value bet thinly. bc theyll call with whatever they got to the river with. the amount of opponents, especially at the 2/5 level, who are going to galaxy brain it and be like 'hmm maybe hes value betting two pair or a set here, ill bluff raise my missed flush draw to get him to fold that portion of his range' is so small that its not even worth discussing. mostly bc most players are never going for thin value on the river with their AJ/AT to begin with.

[@kitbillion7783]

@@GotoyourhomeBall I would usually go less for thin value unless I have the read, that their river raises vs small bets are bluffheavy, then I'd just bet/call a ton