Awful River Spot Holding a Straight

Today Bart covers a hand where his opponent gets into an absolutely AWFUL river spot holding a straight.
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[@joshmullins4849]

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[@grizzo9976]

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[@mmazzei2929]

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[@moaf2padventures757]

ok so im confused. caller describes villains 3 bet range as super tight, but in the hand analysis goes on to mention hands like AT, A7s and A5s as a possibility. while i get that 3betting the mentioned hands CO vs LJ is totally reasonable and maybe even standard, i certainly wouldnt characterize them as "super tight" by any stretch. so i think before we proceed here we need to define villains 3bet range in this spot. like super early. like even before we decide how to proceed pf... so what am i getting at? well, fast forward to the flop. bart doesnt want to checkraise this flop hardly ever. but i think checkraising small bets on dynamic boards is a great plan a lot of the time. also, while villain may have a range advantage on this board, caller certainly has a nut advantage. if this guy really is super tight then caller will have more 66, QJ, Axd, KTs, etc. and theyll have roughly the same amount of QQ/JJ/AJdd. so in that case, checkraising the flop is much more appealing in my mind. because the board is so dynamic this allows us to set up bluffs on later streets and even get hands as strong as AA and KK to fold turns.

[@TheCondorPMH]

I've been in this spot twice, where I check-raised the turn after making my straight and all the chips got it. Both time the other player had two pair and they filled up on the river. Still the right play, but it hurts losing that way twice.

[@upsalarmupsalarm1893]

Lost a similar hand in the Caribbean recently where I flopped the nut straight, and the other guy filled up on the turn 🤦🏾‍♂️.

[@paulpena5040]

I would have folded preflop after the 3 bet for several reasons : 1) 9 10 Suited is the kind of hand that does well multi-way where you can see a massive pot for cheap and take it down with a straight or flush. You really don't want to play this against a single villain where 1/2 of the bloated pot is YOUR money. It too often is unplayable after the flop. 2) He has position 3) he's a tight player - so even if you hit you could be facing reverse implied odds.

[@bsheaves]

I think the river bet was a bit greedy and he probably should have raised more on the turn but winning poker is knowing when you’re beat so fantastic fold

[@Lukas-qf2uh]

600 dollars would've been perfect.

[@Dexerion]

He should have checked the river.

[@danielkidwell736]

Just trying to do my part. Thanks for the content Bart.

[@nuklearwinter2892]

A♦️ T♦️ or A♦️ K♦️ is the only hand V can have here. Even a hand like KTdd or T9dd would probably just call the river after getting lead into. Good fold.

[@nobadmojo70]

Why not AJ of diamonds, that seems like the most obvious to me? I agree, the pot wouldn't be raised on the end without the ace of diamonds being in play.

[@nuklearwinter2892]

@@nobadmojo70 yeah I think maybe AJdd, but a tight player would probably not double barrel on the Kh turn and just take the free card most of the time.

[@Glitch47278]

You’re actually making the case as to why hero should call. There are very few flushes villain can have, given the pot odds he needs like what, 1 random combo he decides to spaz out and bluff with? This is a clear call imo, I wouldn’t have played hand the same on turn/river with the sizings tho.

[@mjriemen]

@@Glitch47278 I agree I think it’s a call. Given the price, the fact that our opponent has so few combos that beat us, and the fact that maybe hes just going with it with a set of JJ/QQ/KK… he basically has to have either AK/AJ/A10 of Diamonds and I’m not sure a tight player is 3 betting A10 of Diamonds 100% of the time. In fact, I think a lot of tighter players are just flatting A10 suited almost always since they can be dominated so easily against the open..

[@jonathanhenderson9422]

@@Glitch47278 The problem is that even with great odds I don't think most players, even good ones, "spaz out" on enough rivers after getting c/r'd on turn and lead into on the river. Most players aren't good or creative enough to turn sets or even AA into a bluff here after that line, so their range is heavily weighted towards nut flushes despite them making up small portion of their non-weighted range (they may even be close to 100% in reality). Of course if you're up against someone who can turn a set or AA into a bluff then this is an easy call with those odds. Another issue is that unless they've played lots of hands together I wouldn't be ruling AdXd here. Even average-good players know nowadays that hands like A5dd can/should be 3-bet to balance out your value range, so it's entirely possible villain has more diamonds here than hero's "read" of him being tight-ish/straight-forward suggests. If we're asking what is the probability of hero being wrong about a tight/value-weighted 3-bet range VS probability that villain turns a value range (sets or AA) into a bluff on river... well, I'm going with the former all day everyday.

[@nicschne]

I think only thing I would do different is check raise for around 1200 -1400 instead of 1025

[@stebrabakone]

& bet smaller on river 6-800

[@EllieBanks333]

Sadly, this is the danger of C/R on the turn. This river is just so painful. I know check-calling is usually bad, but I might be tempted to try it here. Assuming villain does not jam of course.

[@hymnofashes]

I think the hand was played fine. We should probably block the river because there are more set combos than flush combos in vs range and we hardly ever will get bluffed here because what can a tight player have after he calls the x/r to bluff with. He has to either be turning a set or 2 pair into a bluff or he was drawing and he got there. He's not floating this turn raise with anything else. Also I want to mention that he may even be more weighted towards flush draws because some villains will 3-bet the turn with kk or QQ, reasoning that you may have a straight but you may also have a diamond draw yourself or a pair plus draw open ender and he wishes to deny equity from those hands, or if you have a worse set he doesn't want you to shut down on various rivers. So it's very likely villain has a flush especially since we didn't block, we made a "big" river bet, this is just the nuts. I would fold.

[@z17seattle]

Block the river? What are you thinking 25-30% pot?

[@stevenanderson7046]

If sets check behind on river, isn't it correct to bet for thin value?

[@glaubs65]

@ 17:00 or so. Why are all sets going to check behind if they think you're representing a straight on the turn? Surely sometimes they'll turn it into a bluff when the diamond comes?

[@danielhurst8863]

Stopped at 13:00. I would check the river. AA, KK, QQ, JJ won't call you now, but AdAx, KdKx might bet, as they reduced the odds of you having the flush. Betting will likely just fold out hands you beat, and you'll be raised by hands that beat you. There are plenty of hands that beat you now, but a few you beat might raise for value, if they hold a Diamond, so you could call and still be EV+, and if they check behind, they would be very unlikely to call you anyway, so checking is your best option.

[@twinklebeaver7549]

I get the reason of betting out on the river but are you ever getting worse to call you? If you describe villain as tight/competent, check and call down if you’re getting the pot odds. This might of been a better move but I see no problem with they way hero played.

[@frankbuscarello7486]

If an incredibly nitty player 3bets me and it’s heads up and I’m closing the action I’m 100% calling and attacking his very capped range. They are usually very uncomfortable with most flops unless it’s like 773

[@Glitch47278]

I’m commenting without seeing result rn, I think the best play is to block bet river to get crying calls, or induce bluffs and call off a jam. If hero’s description of villain is accurate there really aren’t many flush draw combos in range, should be more AK/sets/maybe some 2 pair. Heros size on river as played disincentivizes his opponent from bluffing, and that’s a scare card in villain’s shoes even if he does have a set.

[@supportGEM]

Is villain value jamming Khi flush on the river? If villain is only shoving nut flush on the river then it's also hard for him to have a value hand. He shouldn't really be barreling the turn with AJdd and AKdd is also unsure. If he is not 3betting many Axs, he should only have AKdd and ATdd here. Maybe he is a supernit and river raise is massively underbluffed but it's only 2 combo. Idk.

[@Stockhandle123]

I have to believe a player has the ability to bluff here. The price is so good here that he has to think he is often getting called. AdKd feels like the hand.

[@AT-bw4cm]

Villian is probably jamming all flushes. It's a very strange line for hero to check raise flush draw on the turn. Even tight players will occasionally 3bet wheel hands preflop for balance, so I think it's reasonable to give villain some A rag suited as well. Asians have a stereotype of being extra sticky so he could probably overfold in this spot and be okay.

[@robertcooper96]

You're saying he shouldn't be being AKdd on the turn?

[@supportGEM]

@@robertcooper96 I am not sure AKdd is a slam dunk value bet. OOP should have folded most if not all underpairs on the flop. The turn has improved AK to top pair but without the diamond draw AK is really only a mediocre hand on the turn (Like 60% equity vs OOP's range?). Many of the OOP's range has improved on the turn to either two pairs, straight or a pair with OESD. AK with the diamond draw the equity is indeed higher but vs a X/R you will be in a tough spot vs most opponents. In this case vs this size of coz you have a profitable call even if OOP is only XRing value here. But if OOP is XRing bigger you will have a close to 0ev call/fold here unless you hit your flush draw and OOP will pay you off everytime. You also fold out some flush draws that you dominate.

[@roccorizzo1994]

I think Hero played the hand really well. Tough to lay down a straight in any case. Also Bart overanalyzing the caller’s accent tells you everything you need to know about his thought process when it comes to poker.

[@Stockhandle123]

Make it 1250 on the turn. Check evaluate river.

[@cnyjay]

Yeah, when Villain calls the turn check-raise, Villain is getting more than 3.5 to 1 plus the implied odds. Not enough to get a fold. I think Hero really wanted a call to that check-raise, though, so could bomb the River... Hero's play is both too greedy and not greedy enough, on the turn. Also Hero seemed to have no plan whatsoever if a scare card came on the river.

[@daveythehand4964]

Yeah, I was thinking I’d do 1300 on turn, then check-evaluate on River

[@ethanj5328]

Villain could also have 10's with the ten of diamonds. Im calling here against a tight pre-flop player because I don't think he's barreling all his Axdd on turn for that size, or 3betting all his Ax of diamonds to begin with. If he has A10 of diamonds pay him.

[@garrettmendenhall1290]

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[@frankboy619]

Been in the same situation except ev was $100

[@SwoleFish25]

Kings with Kd as a bluff, could’ve called turn to evaluate river. Maybe he’s putting hero on two pair. But hero probably made the correct decision on River because he leaves the villain enough room to shove with better, it’s very unlikely the villain ends up there with a bluff. Villain prob gives up all bluffs on River to a $1200 bet, unless he gets creative with a blocker to flush

[@paulpena5040]

I don't think he should have folded .Yes A K d is the most likely hand but I've seen people show up with all sorts of "bluffs". I put that in parenthesis because your betting pattern doesn't make sense if you're claiming a flush. Not many people at these stakes pump THAT much money into the pot on just a flush draw. So if you didn't nail a flush he feels he can bet sets, 2 pairs, etc. with impunity. And the shove makes sense as protection against rare hands that beat him (like straights). But more importantly you said he's kind of nitty. How would a Nit EVER call a raise on that turn unless he has a set or AK exactly. And no sets can make flushes by the river and only 1 combo of AK can make a flush by the river. You only need to be right around 18% of the time on that call are you claiming he has AK of diamonds more than 82 % of the time?? Nah cmon you have to call that.

[@relaxationmeditationsleep2934]

I have him on JJ, QQ, KK, AA and AK on the turn. The much higher bet on the turn makes me feel like he got a hand. I am at 9:40 in the video.

[@shaunryansworld]

Hey Bart can I come over?

[@elliotsmeal3516]

Hero bluffs, JTs, not diamonds. Edit: I think there are more sets than flush combinations if V is as tight as caller says he is. Checking this river is meh. I would bet/fold river, IMHO. Villain bluffs is AdKx. It rarely if ever happens.

[@BengalsOAL]

For the longest time I hated BB ante and wished it was always table ante, not realizing that it's either the same amount or more for table ante then the BB ante is 😅 one of those realizations that you just go "ohh I'm a total dumb ass"

[@officeofpeaceinformation5094]

Well played, fold is sad but prolly correct.

[@showandtellmusic]

Have you ever been right with your accent guessing? 😁

[@azapcap]

Southern China, guangdong / hk accent

[@daveythehand4964]

That’s a tough one

[@sportspokerguy3506]

I think I would jam here because that’s what I would do if I made the flush

[@damianociocca91]

Kk Ip should value bet river 1/3 pot

[@christopherdowning7776]

I haven't watched whole video, I've watched until turn bet,.... I would raise to $1500 on turn. I would plan to jam river as long as the board doesn't pair.

[@anthonybrown1815]

AK dia

[@tomrichardson9799]

Why couldn’t he have AK of diamonds

[@actuallynotsteve]

Never a good time

[@pot_kivach160]

😂

[@pot_kivach160]

Calling 3bet with a specul hand oop is a road to troubles. 4bet or fold PF.

[@nikitakucherov5028]

BART, please choose scenarios where the player knows the end result

[@GWrench9]

City Wok

[@stephpom5373]

Alright know before it finishes ain't no way a AZN is folding a straight. Sticky players