Calvin Heimburg Says No Point, Gannon Buhr Calls Out Baskets, and MORE | Championship Presser

[@chislicer5167]

Negative Calvin makes me so happy! Reminder that he's a very genuine dude.

[@Gynan]

Realistic, not negative.

[@Dom-Dom-Dom]

Can't forget he's an engineer too so he's definitely turning on that part of his brain for this

[@DJRobotPanther]

@@Dom-Dom-Domcan definitely tel because he’s the only one with a take on there needs to be a determined “good putt”

[@discfan6829]

Love Calvin giving opinions. He is the best. Would love to hear him taking technical stuff.

[@rjeezy2831]

Calvins input is very good input. It may not be what they want to hear, but its very accurate. In order to standardize, you need to calibrate by having the exact same put at all targets and then calibrate from there. He's looking at it from an engineering mindset, not just a player, which is what's going to be the best for the sport. Good job, Vinny 👌

[@nathanwilson7929]

Incorrect. You have 9 zones on a basket, and you can vary speed and angles. You have to find the ZONE that is the best putt that catches any speed. Everything at the bottom should catch, dead center should always catch slow or fast, hyper side middle should catch most putts, and anhyzer side middle should catch at a high percentage (chains should not push out the disc ). Anything high should catch steep angles, but flat isn't going to land. Essentially, you should be able to hit the middle 2/3 l/r and the bottom 2/3 with a majority of putts. A soft putt should never get pushed out low, and a hard putt should never spot out center.

[@KenNydam-y9p]

Another A+ interview from Calvin!

[@EmersonJ_]

this is so much more digestible than the actual press conference. appreciate y'all 🤙

[@Rumb1epit]

Im with Calvin ... Get the Ditto Flight robot setup with a few different putts ,have it throw 100 shots at every basket,and you'll have all the data you could ever want.

[@pragara5292]

Nah, real data is when Nikko throws full power shots in from 40 feet and calling it “data” 😂

[@moon_lyfe]

Pdga should buy/make a disc throwing bot and use it to calibrate the game as a whole. Lease versions to disc manufactures to standardize flight numbers, etc. A few obvious applications that could go a LONG way to further develop the sport. It’ll never be perfect but it’s 2024 and best effort is expected and appreciated. Why not!? Who knows - maybe the weird putting experiment was somehow a step in that direction.

[@moon_lyfe]

@@pragara5292valuable data

[@brekkoh]

at this point you would do better and cheaper to model it

[@zachariahhindman470]

I completely agree with Calvin and Gannon B. Everyone's putt is different, and professionals should be able to adjust to differences in baskets. However, if you're on the pole(and not too high), that is a good putt and should always stick.

[@kingtrav]

Bunch of home schooled kids yapping and then engineer Calvin who actually understands how to properly test and collect data comes in with the logic

[@nautilusshell940]

Home schooled kids are better educated on average

[@MullinatorDiscGolf]

As a home school kid I must say this is hilarious 😂

[@nautilusshell940]

@@kingtrav homeschooled kids are smarter on average

[@BallisticBerry]

Hit the nail on the head with this one

[@ryanjohnson9620]

factual statement

[@coreyjansen9033]

Sounds like Jeff spring needs to call Calvin and hire him.

[@mattlaberge3130]

Hey man keep posting these you’re doing a good job! Love them!

[@lilbilMT]

dude you killed that , great "mash" up hell yea man keep it up

[@rileycomeaux3712]

good editing of the clips in the start! Earned a like from me

[@jimdavidson8328]

Vid made me subscribe, I'd watch a vid like this every week next year.

[@cammednbs]

If you look at Issacs putt at usdgc that was a horrible spit out. The cage is leaning back and he spit out on the side that was pitched up. No basket is going to catch correctly when installed incorrectly. I do agree with Gannon a putt on the pole is perfect. Thats like banking off the square on a basketball hoop, straight on, with good pace, just to see it come straight back at you.

[@micahwilliams8229]

best take, and way to describe a dead center spit out

[@DeviousDrew100]

I agree with Calvin. The PDGA does so many pointless things that either don’t matter or are the complete wrong decision.

[@michaelmaniloff9297]

Its the pro tour, not the pdga.

[@caseysmith544]

@@michaelmaniloff9297 Yeah the Pro Tour does stupid things like this and forcing thanks to sponsor the use of Turf for temporary tee pads that supposedly are high notch lower turf but finding this model/version from said sponsor holds water when the same brand has versions made for traditional golf that do not hold water used in places that rain more to save the Tee pad in traditional golf from being a muddy mess. Now this temporary disc golf tee pad is supposed to be used at places the temporary tee pad on the Pro Tour is not up to safe standards. A simpler solution would be to use a rubber horse stall mat from a Fam & Fleet store with a piece of plywood below to keep even could solve the problems using stakes or similar attachment pins. What would also help is banning the cheap plastic Turf that is like a stiff plastic carpet and also ban specific rubber grass like turf meant more for sports like Baseball or USA/Canadian Football that are too tall for disc golf and in poorer designs hold water.

[@Eaglemadhatter]

"there people with litterally disc robots" I love you Calvin

[@waynebryant1857]

They’re

[@caseysmith544]

Yes, one person who owns one of these disc robots has a few times played it against Simon Lizotte using a cart to move the disc throwing device around the course. I believe the person came from nearby MIT who built the device unlike the one made on KZbin by a player who just modified a mobile rechargeable battery Clay Pidgeon thrower machine to have a bigger motor and a mechanical base you set in place before the throw.

[@HadronFlux]

Calvin may be a chemical engineer (so people can debate how relatable), but has a much better sense of what it means to test baskets than what I saw on your last video. Just do the opposite of what Nikko suggests to do. His comment on control of variables is important - so maybe they big brained and opened it all up to see the craziness to find a way to actually structure testing, but I'm not optimistic.

[@caseysmith544]

I feel like the Pro Tour is doing this just to say we could not find a solution to the problem people keep asking about because in every other ball or sport they use the same dimensions. Now the closest analogy would be in Baseball in the MLB and consolidated minor leagues how the distance of the field/park for a home run, changes at every place, no one field is the same.

[@mattlaberge3130]

But adding something the pro tour needs to standardize tee pads. They’re just as important. Forgot which pro player said it but maybe they should have rules saying the run up needs to be regulated as well to help in making the tee pads more consistent. Just a thought.

[@johannorberg4174]

Yeah this +1000, if there is a true standard then more courses will follow that!

[@caseysmith544]

What would help is playing Disc Golf on non temporary courses and standardizing a minimum and max tee pad size forcing for Pro Tour the use these be the same dimension being sunk in a hair or flush for longer drives. Now, how to have all courses be standardized Disc Golf Pro Tour needs to either remove the live coverage or get a remote Satellite Internet for the live coverage current manager/president of the Disc Golf Pro Tour needs to have in order to have courses go up in the number they can use so you are rarely using golf Courses for any course except maybe the one on the Portland area becuse they made it illegal for the Police to do anything in the city becuse of how poor the police are then declaring all drugs legal so.

[@TheGreatestJuJu]

These are the only reason I’m still subscribed to this channel. The rest of the channel is too political and preachy but I do really like these commentary breakdowns.

[@Luffy-344]

Imagine if every major league baseball stadium had different standardization for what is or isn't considered a home rune. Oh,....

[@markdennyritner7851]

More like, imagine that golf holes were different depths or NBA rims were different widths or the distance from the mound to home wasn't standardized.

[@bryansans2564]

Props to gateway on impressing gannon! older runs were a bit squirrley. Eagle's Crossing is a good example

[@mattedison492]

It's almost like Calvin is an engineer or something haha

[@Backhand_Drew]

If we are so close to golf comparatively then we need to adapt to each tournament's basket. In golf they adapt to each green on different courses. The practice rounds weed out the great from the player's that just show up every tournament. The big separator can be the ability to interpret and adapt your practice rounds. I like this concept personally.

[@topropenoptop]

Not a great analogy. A golf green is more like C1/C2, which does require similar adjusting. If we want to compare the two, asking players to adapt to different baskets is like asking golfers to adapt to different types of holes. If you came across a golf course that had holes that spit out any balls that rolled in from a certain angle that’s different from other courses, you would never tell those players to just adapt. They would fix the holes.

[@BrainSane237]

Seeing Calvin's comment in the thumbnail I honestly thought the video is about the Pro Tour Championships 😂 "No point in trying" - "Instead of losing to Gannon by 25 strokes, I'll lose to Gannon by 34 strokes" E. Aderhold

[@M4Nathan007]

What about a heavy chained basket, with no "nubs" where the cage rolls over the top of the basket, and a cushion around the center pole?

[@moon_lyfe]

Calvin doubting the basket testing method as a whole. It’s data… yes. But the value of the data given how it was collected seems a little questionable

[@benmorrison6465]

yuss. RPM helix :) extra chain collar to stop bounce off the pole

[@Chillydall02]

I see soooo many people saying these baskets are the best I wanna try them so bad. No courses near me with them though unfortunately

[@Stradivarius6288]

Calvin stating straight facts.. this event was meant as lip service to the complaining of the people that watch DGN.

[@Timoth1983]

Calvin is great. Smart guy.

[@harryteevee9569]

Basket doesn't matter... You just gotta will it in there...

[@joshstorms1131]

Making a basket that doesn’t spit something at some point is physically impossible. Calvin is the only reasonable voice.

[@biga2057]

Missy hit the nail on the head. No one basket is going to be perfect and catch everything. Spit outs and slip through an are part of the game. They’re called bad breaks. I’m really tired of hearing people complain about baskets.

[@lawrenceradford4677]

I wonder how much it would cost to have Calvin represent me and answer any question that's ever given to me

[@nathanwilson7929]

Chains should not cause you to miss a putt if it is too soft. It is literally impeding the basket from a disc. And Yes, you shouldn't get a spit out because you hit the pole either.

[@ryanjohnson9620]

The DGPT and PDGA should have had ENGINEERS (like Calvin) run this entire operation. . .

[@benine9]

Calvin, Fish and Madison should be the only ones talking about rigorous basket testing. Everything else is just people advocating for what suits their bias. Science.

[@quadrumvirate86]

RPM helix baskets should be the pgda standard

[@Fuhgit-lu4tj]

Players have complained about baskets long before I started playing in 1996.

[@Eaglemadhatter]

The slightest wind can affect a disc so much.

[@dougb1079]

I'm actually just a fan.. My son started playing and turned me on to disc golf...I just compare to other sports that have standards... Even in ball golf the hole is the same size... All same sizes in other sports... All those athletes learn their game from those standards so why not the same with disc golf?

[@nktaylo1]

I would never want this, but seems like an actual solution is no more baskets... ...object golf to a pole that is always the same height/thickness.

[@kerrykellett8717]

I have to disagre with gannon, Isacc putts with a hefty pace. He almost always hits low center on hyzer.but sometimes he is a lottle high.

[@kyleelliott7397]

Ok Gannon...if it's so easy, why don't you design a basket that everyone is happy with. Complaining about a problem without having at least a suggestion...something more then 'heavier chains or something that stops the forward...blah blah blah'...for the fix is just sour grapes complaining. Bad knocks and shitty spit outs are part of the game, deal with it. Every player putts differently and until they all putt exactly the same, you will have "issues" with baskets.

[@Flylife_style]

The new Gateway basket is definitely the best out there at the moment!

[@Discannons]

This is the only sport I can think of that doesn’t have a consistent goal or target. I think just pick one and use it at every event for the year and players will just have to get used to it. I think they should have to putt in a way that produces consistent results but they shouldn’t have to change their putt or aiming point every week. Need a basket company that to sponsor the whole tour instead of disc manufacturers sponsoring events and using whatever basket they make

[@SSquirrel1976]

Every other sport has standards in equipment that have to be met. Pitchers in baseball can have very unique stances and methods of throwing, but the baseballs are all the same. The Reds don't use a ball that weighs an extra 2 oz and the Dodgers don't have one that is half an inch wider in diameter. You standardize the equipment and then the players are the variable. Everyone claiming Calvin is talking a science base is ignoring that in science you remove as many variables as possible so you can test one condition rather than several at once. You can't say there is only one way to putt, there are too many situations and angles, so you standardize the basket and then the discussion is about the players and their abilities and not about whatever random basket of the week is dooming people's putts.

[@chrisbruchak4519]

People forget Calvin could literally be building rockets if he didnt like throwing frisbees so much. His scientist brain cant handle how dumb this "test" was. 🤣

[@bryanwhelan351]

"always with the robots"

[@apc73084]

the more i hear from Gannon the more i like him. Hi haters! 👋 😂

[@teddydrums8149]

I’d be okay with never hearing or seeing Paige Pierce ever again lol Not even top 10 FPO and probably the most wishy washy attitude on the course.

[@mikeyseibert1406]

Standardized baskets is dumb. The differences are what make dg fun. Be a pro, adjust to the situation

[@arr64lima63]

A standard basket at a standard height from the ground would be ideal.

[@rrollo2591]

No other professional sport doesn’t use a standardized target.

[@BeeeBeez18]

Am I the only one who didn't recognize Kristin?

[@markmcgarity]

likely

[@anhpham2733]

There is no "ideal putting style". It doesn't matter how the disc gets there, if it hits dead center pole the basket should be catching 100% of the time. I might be the controversial person here, but I partly disagree with Calvins train of thought. Disc robots? That's not realistic in terms of cost. Calvin may have an engineering background, but business and economics are another huge issue. The reality is having pros volunteer to do this is basically free testing. Is it limited in scope? Yes, but you can still gain data from this kind of experiment and a very low cost. Sure its not going to solve the issue right away, but it's a step towards the right direction. I think Calvin may have a great idea, but that's based on his limited information. Alot of comments here are soo black and white with "if it aint the the right way then no way. That's simply not true.

[@superblitz]

Tee pads > baskets

[@paw1dawg]

The MVP Portal catches fair and has the same chain profile 360 degress around. Ie: it doesnt have inconstintant gaps, and has a teaditional target zone.

[@caseysmith544]

Personally, I want Disc Golf Pro Tour to make sure the baskets are set up correctly and not like some when Pro Tour had that crappy brand of Discs from Texas, the Lone Star Discs brand using Dynamic Disc baskets and removing 1--2 links on every Chain possibly to scrap, like the brand said this is how they set up every Disc Dynamic Disc basket and for the Disc Golf Pro Tour event in Texas Lone Star Discs did. Sorry I am forgetting the one Disc Golf Pro Tour event Lone Star did before ban by PDGA as a sponsor for Texas States. Remember this year that Lone Star almost got into forcing a lawsuit PDGA for allowing a Transgender on the women's side because Lone Star was going to ban the person by fake dropping the ball on their registration a person who due to safety skipped the absurd amount of Disc Golf Pro Tour events in Texas due to the amount of MAGA crazy in the state and PDGA had to force a drop of the Lone Star brand from Texas States forcing a cease and desist letter from PDGA for keeping up the photo that Monday before Texas States after they were dopped having the smaller Disc Retailer carry the brunt of this tournament where the disc baskets somebody added an extra S hook to each chain set to the baskets Lone Star had provided that are now the only baskets at the course selling the old ones to help cover the cost of the tournament that Lone Star was not able to provide.

[@zandiskoul]

The objectice is to land in the basket but these people putt at the chains and get upset at the basket. Basketball players blaming the backboard for their shots not going in next? 😂

[@aaronmayhew2.0]

Why does Ricky always look like he just ate granola right before he interviews?

[@StuG-pr9tf]

maybe a cage that is shaped like a stop sign? maybe that would be better? Lol's what is going on? ridiculous

[@whitefordfalcon]

What a bunch of whiners! Putt more softly… or aim differently to avoid a spitout. PDGA should make the baskets smaller... 3/4 size. Oh the crying you’ll hear then! “I can’t make putts from 70 feet anymore!” Would make birdies more meaningful.

[@ryanbowie234]

Paige just needs to retire. What a joke.

[@MikeKrueger-c7k]

Am I the only one that can't stand Page

[@Yeehaw-wr7rq]

One of many

[@BIZARBIES]

Nope

[@Luffy-344]

Not even close. She's always been off-putting and it's only gotten worse as her bitterness and skillset are inversely related.

[@susiepittman601]

Yes, you are. If you don't respect her skill and standing in the game, you have other issues that you aren't looking at.

[@waynebryant1857]

Nice spelling

[@ulrichvonstomp6031]

No! Just No! If baskets are standardized it will end so many companies and jobs just to make the rich richer! Besides Disc Golf was founded as a free spirited game! My friends and I started playing by bouncing frisbees off of trees back in the 70's! Let's keep that spirit alive! 😀

[@IYbborI]

They’re talking bout standardized baskets just for the pro tour. Not every pdga event.

[@hooligancarlsen7106]

Not necessarily. Basketball hoops are standardized and many companies are selling them.

[@nautilusshell940]

You don’t need a robot to know what the best basket is. The current disc catcher 28 is it. Too heavy chain and they bounce back, too light and they bounce off the pole. Horizontal chains should never be a thing. It will simply come down to money and who’s willing to pay the most for a sponsored basket. That said, baskets have to be smaller. It’s inevitable. Putting is way too easy and you see it every hole on the pro tour, inside 20ft and commentators call those gimme putts. Ruins potential stroke separation for spectators.

[@JohnBoyBuilds]

Chains need to be rubberized before assembly of my basket I sprayed bedliner on the chains let it cure then assembled it changed from a chain smack to a basket drop to a chain that grips the disc and pulls it down

[@garnerthecube]

I like Gannon but I kind of hope he gets second so we get some more tournaments to watch 😆

[@MrTimbott]

Europeans are so pretty

[@megaicculus1441]

I really like Paige's take on heavy chains pushing out timid putts, ultimately rewarding confident putts.

[@BrooUmad]

I feel like if no standard is made, they should allow a majority decision of the card to determine if the spit out should have stuck and give the stroke back or not

[@michaelmaniloff9297]

Ridiculous

[@BrooUmad]

@@michaelmaniloff9297 ya maybe to lenient of a way but idk

[@tonystreehouse7269]

Crying about baskets is a bit pathetic

[@samdoss1736]

Crying about people crying about baskets is more pathetic

[@tonystreehouse7269]

@@samdoss1736 that would be you

[@Spartacus11]

@@tonystreehouse7269no u

[@dogonacid]

FASCISTS!

[@MullinatorDiscGolf]

Paige is dead on, MachX is THE basket. Not even close

[@MattsoooN]

So you literally just take footage from another channel and upload it to yours and then make a buck of it?

[@thediscgolfworld]

No. We attend every press conference, this footage is ours. If you’ve listened we’ve also asked questions throughout the season

[@MattsoooN]

@@thediscgolfworldSorry this was ignorant of me. Good work guys. I apologize.

[@scottpoynor8216]

Paige said it well.

[@Schaibs_dg]

@puttconfidently let’s go!