Camille Paglia: The 3 Failures of Modern Feminism

[@Frederer59]

I saw this the first time it was released. Camille and Jordan really hit it off. She found a soulmate.

[@11kravitzn]

Jordan loves women who look like melting wax sculptures, like his wife

[@prschuster]

Camille is on the left, and Jordan on the right, but they can still agree about sexual politics.

[@Frederer59]

@prschuster At this level, left and right merge into Integral. If they were opposing leaders in an election, you could just toss a coin and be happy with either.

[@prschuster]

@@Frederer59 They would definitely disagree on a lot of issues, like Israel and US imperialism. They agree on the problems of woke politics though. It depends on the issue.

[@sethjacobs6441]

I've read every book and article Paglia has published. While I don't agree with everything she says, she is, without question, a major public intellectual. Thanks for giving her this platform.

[@ClearLight369]

I love Camille. Thank you for sharing this.

[@1Skeptik1]

Camille is correct. Although married (4) times my feminist sister (82) revels in her victim mind-set. (Drives me crazy.) Contrast: My eldest granddaughter (32) is drop dead good looking and wicked smart and plays her hand masterfully. She has it all, a beautiful home, a high value husband, (3) well-adjusted exceptionally bright children, she is business partner with her husband and on path to retire at 40 years old. My girl is one of the most capable women I know and she is no fool or victim.

[@johnsmithers8913]

I suspect her father was the anchor and role model and her mother ditched her pursuing her own selfish interests.

[@MorganSullivan]

Didn't you learn the 1st time that you had to repeat it 3 more times?

[@floriangeyer1]

I will wager her politics are of the conservative persuasion ....

[@Finaggle]

Loved your anecdote. I know you're old but just for your time left replying in KZbin, you didn't need to add parenthesis to your numerical references.

[@xstatic-ow5mz]

Finally a video with Jordan Peterson where he says nothing at all. Thumbs up for that alone! 👍👍

[@hreedwork]

Spot on... 😎👍🙏

[@j.t.r1409]

How is her health? Why isn't she seen as much anymore? She's brilliant and often ahead of her time.

[@lsporter88]

I really like her. Great video.

[@MaskedRiderChris]

Camille Paglia is someone more women (and some men) need to listen to more, I think. She makes a ton of sense and I can relate to her feeling out of place in those circles because I've never felt like I belonged much of anywhere because I'd always (and still do) have opinions that don't mesh with the orthodoxy's way of doing things.

[@98pointseven]

I love Camille. And Jordan.

[@PrimordialOracleOfManyWorlds]

this is the only feminist that is so cool, rational, intelligent, reasonable, and so positively outspoken. well said.

[@gavinpruden3306]

She pro women not anti male.

[@PrimordialOracleOfManyWorlds]

@@gavinpruden3306 well balanced.

[@aldaoroman]

🙄

[@aldaoroman]

​@@gavinpruden3306 contradiction? Where? 🙄

[@gavinpruden3306]

@@aldaoroman what? Adults can be pro something with out needing to be anti something else.

[@uumlau]

Failures? They aren't failures, they're FEATURES!

[@TheGabriel12341]

Yes....complex interpretation

[@gerrytyrrell1507]

Camille..My favourite Italian dish..magnifico....Ireland

[@godislove8740]

credibility, integrity and value.

[@TheGabriel12341]

Talking account of the first ideas of agrarian life Pagia talks... My grandmother was born in a middle city in Uruguay... Actually, she had the ways of a matriarch in many ways... Also she had Carlist Roots (Spanish roots traditionalist).. actually, reading about it... carlism wasnt male opressive in essence... There was a "right wing feminism" inside Carlism... Actually the woman that represented of it was pretty similar to my grandmother... Margarita symbolism in carlism also

[@dr.dealgood2690]

If you are interested in the topic, Paul Elam, is posting ICMI 2024 speakers and their essays on his KZbin channel of the same name. Some very interesting speakers there.

[@TGP109]

I'm SO TIRED of this internet/social media theme of ''unhappy women''. Those of us in the REAL world don't know or see these people. The fact that someone is quoting a COLLEGE PROFESSOR is proof-NO ONE cares what they say and anyone old enough realizes how crazy they are.

[@johnq.public2621]

Good look at Camille Paglia's early "thoughts/philosophy/ideas/etc., a bit different than her new tune........🤔

[@howard33072]

Totally agree with her.

[@davidpitchford6510]

3?! I have personally met 300 million failures of modern feminism.

[@vincenttayelrand]

Paglia has always been a breath of fresh air. You don't have to agree with everything she says (and she says a lot), but she always makes you think.

[@gailg2327]

Great, great woman!

[@People.United]

How do you destroy women? Give them everything they demand.

[@NodeEntry]

She’s the aunt I wish I had.

[@AnthonyTolhurst-dw1nc]

Communist Guidelines forbid me making a truthful comment.

[@xstatic-ow5mz]

I can relate!

[@rafal5863]

Why qualify it with modern or contemporary? This is a no true Scotsman fallacy. If you remove the criticisms there is no positive aspects left. If we are to charitably define feminism as female advocacy. Can women agree on what they want that is not born out of envy?

[@SolzhenitsynBoogie]

The “G” in her name is silent, sounds like “Pah-lia”.

[@kevinkelly1586]

Whenever I see a name that contains "-GLI-" I automatically assume that the name is Italian and that the "G" is silent. In the early 1980's, (Felice) Leo(nardo) Buscaglia (not to be confused with any woman named "Phyllis") became nationally prominent overnight. A student in a college class named "Triglione" shouted "TriLOHnee" at the top of his lungs every time the teacher said "Trig-lee-OH-nee." This made me aware of how the "G" in Italian before "LI" was silent.

[@godislove8740]

@@kevinkelly1586 its not really silent. Its just too subtle for non natives to enunciate.

[@DiotimaMantinea1]

The Italian "GL" is pronounced like the Spanish "LL". Something like the English "Y".

[@kevinkelly1586]

@@godislove8740 I remembered that in 1983, I heard an emcee on a TV show say to someone in the audience, "You're Joe TrePAGleeuh?" I then thought, "Oh no, in Italian a G before the L is silent." (Presumably spelled Trepaglia). Then, sure enough, Joe replied, "No, eat's Joe TrePAHLyah!"

[@kirkmarusak7800]

Nobody is claiming all women are victims. However, when men sexually harrass or sexually assault women, shouldn't society discuss this issue? There is no question women are doing better today compared to 50 years ago. But what about women in third world countries where their lifetime role is determined for them? There are still arranged marriages. Very few women can reach the top of the corporate ladder if they make that their goal? Still, more woman are opening their own businesses. I hear very few women badmouthing men today. More often, a woman may not like a man as an individual rather than the entire male gender. Business is still lobbying against passage of the U.S. Equal Rights Amendment, which certainly is not a threat to this nation.

[@NorthwoodsWolf]

Obviously simping for some hairy feminist. Yay, ERA!

[@floriangeyer1]

Paglia n' Petersen could be the best double act in academic history. 😊

[@1dantown]

Okay, take a drink, okay, every time, she says okay, okay ?

[@JamesHawkeYouTube]

okay! :)

[@SolzhenitsynBoogie]

@@1dantown It must be exhausting always waiting for everyone else to catch up. Glad I’m not the smartest person in the room.

[@danielstannard128]

Camille Paglia is a perfect example of why intellectuals are prone to the same pitfalls as everyone else. First she recognizes that young women have overtaken old women in terms of consolidation of power. Then she claims that the culture of matriarchal power was preserved by elder women. A few breaths later she's saying women were given the power to remove themselves from the kitchen by capitalism, yet it didn't make them happy, so they blamed men. She says all of this while conveniently leaving out the conflicting legal codification of a woman's value based on their appearance as they entered the capitalist workforce. Old women were not, and still aren't, accepted on the level that old men are in society. This is a result of legal precedents set in the later part of the 20th century. Women were either too beautiful, or not beautiful enough. The standard of beauty was set by men trying to sell women superfluous products that would enhance their femininity, even though femininity was being defined by the same men who were trying to sell them bullshit. I've noticed this page calls itself PhilosophyInsights, yet there is a distinct lack of philosophy being showcased that isn't related to contemporary identity politics. Seems like a classic Trojan Horse tactic. Pretend like you're a philosophy page, yet within there's nothing but a one sided representation of conservative ideology.

[@beejereeno2]

Skip to 2:36 if you want to hear HER, not some robot.

[@markfennell1167]

I’m going to very strongly disagree with you on the first Two concepts. We do not need competition or aggression Those two factors actually make our civilizations much much worse and are the worst. Worst aspects of humans, society, and everything else in the world. It is not masculine to be aggressive. Only weak people are aggressive True strength comes from being calm, sturdy and able to do anything. He wants in life facing challenges without the need for aggression. It is aggression and the desire for conquering which destroys societies create scarcity and causes violence Then you have competition. There is no need for humans to ever engage in competition for any reason. In fact, it is this encouragement of competition, which makes people violent towards each other selfish and do everything they can for themselves without considering the community or any other human being Competition not necessary and never was Cooperation always works much better. It is cooperation with friendship, joy, and enthusiasm, which creates the most wonderful products and services. Competition was never needed In fact, it is because of competition that many of the best ideas and best innovations have never seen public light. It is the power of the strong in business and media which squashes any advancements in humanity Therefore, I very strongly emphasize that competition and aggression or harmful to civilization harmful to humanity, harmful to economies and nations, and must be relegated to history.

[@markfennell1167]

We must open our minds to new ways of existing and living. We can have free market and the abilities for all humans to create the lives they desire. But it is not through competition or capitalism. Rather, it is through cooperation, service, oriented, empathy, and creativity

[@mervyncave5263]

Bollocks

[@joannamortreux1]

All things in balance. Humans are apes and apes show aggression as well as cooperation and it is best we work realistically with who we are. Cooperation and competition can work really well side by side, look at the creative output of the Beatles for example. Lennon and McCarthy were said to be competitive in this form and as a whole band they produced so much new output. In our own selves we set benchmarks all the time to compare how we are going, be it sport, creatively or anything else. What is that if not a level of competitiveness? There are also times you need to hold your ground and when cooperation doesn't work then aggression is at times necessary. To suggest our natures need to be relegated to history is misconceived.

[@andrewlm5677]

Isn’t women having their own source of income a good thing. Every person is different of course but with the wrong kind of man and with no income there is a real risk of the relationship not being one of equals

If they are more empathic and understanding... why do they murder their own children at higher rates and abuse each other at higher rates. Something is off in the assumptions.

[@LouisHCampagna]

Back in the day when Peterson was a competent interviewer and would not keep interrupting his interviewee with his incessant brain farts.

[@aldaoroman]

"Modern" says, JA. Funny.

[@dannysullivan3951]

Unlike Peterson, Paglia has some consequential ideas. Like Peterson’s they are all conservative tripe.

[@bobwhite2]

A repeat of female regret.

[@AncientRylanor69]

l

[@gorequillnachovidal]

Patriarchy!!!!

s(Matriarchy)

[@psikeyhackr6914]

Competition at what? Do people need to compete to want to understand things. I asked a PhD economist to explain how an automobile engine worked. He couldn't do it but he drove a white SUV. How many American men cannot figure out Planned Obsolescence in cars, but how many women will pick a man because of his car?

Playing in the game when you have no choice isn't about understanding...

[@prschuster]

I don't want to go back to rigid sex roles, but these roles were complementary in the past. They weren't based on men oppressing women. Now that we all have more flexible options in life, there's no excuse for complaining about the patriarchy.

[@lcako1616]

Yes they dont need to be so rigid, but they can be somewhat defined for most people.

[@aldaoroman]

So flexible that only Men are shamed for NOT protecting or providing, tell me another tale.

[@aldaoroman]

​@@lcako1616only if you are gullible.

[@prschuster]

@@aldaoroman I said nothing about whether today's gender norms are fair. Compared to the 50s, both sexes are allowed to enter any occupation, with fewer restrictions on clothing & hairstyles. Sexual orientation is less of an issue. However, you are right that masculinity is being shamed and it's easier for women to make false sexual assault claims.

[@aldaoroman]

@@prschuster That's why everyday more and more Men don't bother to date.

[@renebuesa554]

Men in this country should feel vindicated to some degree after watching and listening to Camille Paglia admit and inform us all about the true practices of modern-femenism in regard to how they groom women and the effects these attitudes and opinions have on relations between men and women. Camille Paglia shares with us how "upper middle class professional women are unhappy, miserable-they don't know why they're unhappy, they want to blame it on men-men must change, men must become more like women." She very assertively explains that due to our innate gender differences our respective behaviors have been shaped through millennia and thus "men are men" and they are confortable being men. By the same token women and their innate gender differences has been shaped through millennia to make them innately more nurturing, assume the caring for children, etc. During this video interview one of the three-failures of modern feminism was identified as "victim mentality" and how feminist victim culture has become institutionalized by teaching women that they're "victims of the patriarchy" and thus narrowing womens' focus to grievances and conflicts instead of accentuating the achievements of women. Camille Paglia discusses the rise of "second wave feminism" and how she witnessed the unfolding of the womens' movement to one that "would blame men, they would bad-mouth men instead of admiring men for what they had done-these women were insane." She describes for us how "authentic leftism" and modern-femenism have little in common because modern-femeinism today is no longer about putting its enfaces on having equal opportunities for women to achieve on the basis of their own merits, virtues, determination, and skills. For all that was discussed there wasn't any mention of the recruitment practices of women by modern-feminism and how the promises of financial independence, independent living, career opportunities, professional responsibilities, etc., are used to disassociate women from their innate roles as nurturing, caring, loving mothers and wives. This was somewhat of a disappointment because the reality men live today is one of seeing women without the inclination to engage in meaningful relationships with men, avoidant of marriage commitments, avoidant of becoming mothers, and not willing to build lasting and enduring unions between men and women. To better explain the current reality between men and women would be to use an analogy that clearly sees women that fall under the spell of modern-femeinins becoming shaped and made readied according to the attitudes and opinions they're being taught. No different than any manufactured consumer product, those who get to create it give them the features they want them to have and nothing else before making it available for public consumption. The attitudes and opinions women are being taught today are the features that modern feminism want them to have and the effects this has on real life relations between men and women is that this contrived product isn't natural, isn't normal, doesn't have the innate virtues and qualities that make women what they're intended to be. In her own words, Camille Paglia states "this great thing that has happened to us, allowing us to be totally self-supporting, independent agents has produced all this animosity between men and women-women feel unhappy, women today wherever I go, Italy, Brazil, England, or America or Toronto-the upper middle class professional women are unhappy, miserable and they don't know why they're unhappy, they want to blame it on men-men must change, men must become more like women." ReneB, Florida.

[@NabeelKhan-lx2ly]

Women like this is how we have modern feminism, she's as much to blame.

[@ljones5]

This video is a giant straw man

[@marlow769]

Can we hear Paglia talk or do we have to listen to you drivel on?

[@rstefan250]

Jesus why do you have to run your mouth explaining what does not need explaining?

[@dennisquinn13]

Waiting....for her to say something I don't know. I don't hate Peterson but I'm not terribly impressed by him either. Ms Paglia is giving me a history lesson I didn't need.

[@VaronPlateando]

looking… for a substantial point being raised in above comment that couldn’t immediately be attributed to someone watching afternoon sitcom. yeah, whiteknight, c‘mon…

[@user-oi9iz9jr8y]

She needs to calm down!!

[@sissh5761]

This presentation is messy. I enjoy listening to Paglia and Peterson express their ideas but as with most who cover this topic too much gets left out. and too much generalization occurs. The presenters personal opinion on victimised women adds a layer of distaste imo - it feels like an under researched opinion overlayed into choice snippets of Paglias statements...

[@duppyshuman]

It's click-bait. I checked out at 6:17.

[@KeepingTheIronThroneWarm]

So does your comment. Not one data point. Not one reference.

[@sissh5761]

@KeepingTheIronThroneWarm Ok no need to be offended - it was simply a comment, an observation, we are allowed to make such last I checked... If you truly must have sources, i dont have data points but these two books, for a start, come to mind and have plenty of data: 1. Of Boys and Men by Richard V. Reeves 2. Why Does He Do That by Lundy Bancroft The first is a must read for those who think men have it better - they dont - but this doesn't mean they are incapable of horrible things. If you go on to read the second, you see how men are capable, due to their own hurts, of inflicting abuse and treating it as normal (both within their reasoning, and also amongst themselves). Im sure you wont actually try to read these, you simply wanted to make a quick witty comment and somehow you strike me as the kind thats unlikely to challenge their own thinking, but I'll leave it here anyway.

[@Bumper_jed]

motormouth camille, mentally ill

[@drmodestoesq]

Interesting.....Who's on your reading list?

[@Bumper_jed]

​@@drmodestoesq I listen to left and right. I watch videos by ppl I consider defenders of western civilization like Jordan Peterson, Douglas Murray, Dave Rubin. I disagree with the main points they have but I find what they say interesting. I have listened to Camille many times and she has many interesting things to say but she gets too excited to talk all her talking points

[@drmodestoesq]

@@Bumper_jed Well then I guess we'll have to read her voluminous literary output at our own uncaffeinated pace.

[@Bumper_jed]

@@drmodestoesq she might be bipolar

[@xstatic-ow5mz]

@@Bumper_jed Dave Rubin is a Young Turk that's literally gay AF. THAT'S your idea of a "defender of Western civilization" 😂

[@davidmccoy6888]

Paglia is a troll