Modern Times: Camille Paglia & Jordan B Peterson

Dr. Camille Paglia is a well-known American intellectual and social critic. She has been a professor at the University of the Arts in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania (where this discussion took place) since 1984. She is the author of seven books focusing on literature, visual art, music, and film history, among other topics. The most well-known of these is Sexual Personae (amzn.to/2xVGEEV), an expansion of her highly original doctoral thesis at Yale. The newest, Free Women, Free Men: Sex, Gender, Feminism, was published by Pantheon Books in March 2017 (amzn.to/2hGycTG).
Dr. Paglia has been warning about the decline and corruption of the modern humanities for decades, and she is a serious critic of the postmodern ethos that currently dominates much of academia. Although she is a committed equity feminist, she firmly opposes the victim/oppressor narrative that dominates much of modern American and British feminism.
In this wide-ranging discussion, we cover (among other topics) the pernicious influence of the French intellectuals of the 1970's on the American academy, the symbolic utility of religious tradition, the tendency toward intellectual conformity and linguistic camouflage among university careerists, the under-utilization of Carl Jung and his student, Erich Neumann, in literary criticism and the study of the humanities, and the demolition of the traditional roles and identity of men and women in the West.
A Facebook page is maintained for Dr. Paglia by Pantheon at Penguin Random House in New York: / camillepagliaauthor
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[@ghozt9601]

I’m now convinced I’ve never been in an actual conversation

[@patrickmccabe8428]

I feel like an idiot. I had to look up every other word 😅 they’re so knowledgeable and intelligent and I aspire to be like them

[@shaggyfeng9110]

@@patrickmccabe8428 They did tones of readings and some researches.

[@markdouglas1601]

@@shaggyfeng9110 right. Anyone with a PhD does a lot of reading, it comes with time and age and interests as well. I'm working on a masters degree and I've been ordering a ton of books and I love being knowledgeable on all sides of issues and research literature

[@shaggyfeng9110]

@@markdouglas1601 Good for you

[@Kobac1990]

Dude... I hear you there. For me, its like: The ideas and worries these people have man. Like, im soooo far away from that that we dont live in the same world.

[@tylerbuckner3750]

“Intellectual midgets”, “Middlebrow Philistines”, Murmuring High Priests”. I love this woman.😂🔥

[@chickenmonger123]

Her characterization of people associated with those movements is excellent. However she would’ve been much more concise in her diatribe without wasting time with all of that.

[@chickenmonger123]

Vim Fuego Or are you an intellectual midget? One does have to wonder occasionally.

[@fridajohansson846]

Yep, I slowly repeated ’hopelessly middlebrow’ out loud to myself there.

[@adamsmith307]

Vim Fuego you seem intimidated by a genuinely empowered and passionate woman.

[@silent_shout]

I learned the word "Quisling" when she was describing male feminists lol

[@xxkaorixx]

I can’t believe I just discovered this interview and its from 5 years ago!!! This needs to be shown at universities, this discussion is so essential!!

[@abstr4ctisease]

Saw it the first time 5 years ago, and it has never left me. Camille Paglia is an absolute heroin in my eyes, savor the interview and enjoy it to the fullest! Have a nice day!

[@ArtPhotographerLindsay]

Same here!

[@faithburns8379]

Read her books

[@rahul_bali]

Yes, here after 5 years.

[@mikegore5840]

Ok

[@FatuousRobertson]

True story. As an art professor, I told my college administrators that education was way too expensive and that art students would reach out to artists they admired and ask if they could apprentice with them for just a cot in their studio spaces. I pointed out that this would be essentially what the Guild system was during the Renaissance and the response was "but they won't have an accredited degree!" I responded that there wasn't a single art student at my university who wouldn't want to study with Leonardo, Michelangelo, "or any of the Ninja Turtle dudes, none of whom had an accredited degree!"

[@LilyGazou]

Best thing to learn is the business of art if one wants to make a living in that world. A waitress friend sent her daughter to Pratt in NYC. I looked it up- they say their graduates are prepared to work in the best galleries in the world. 😂😂 Her daughter graduated. And is a waitress.

[@Temeika_B]

Degrees are important for artists! Practice is unnecessary. You should have taken a pic of your face after their response. I am sure it was meme-worthy.

[@ClarkPotter]

​@@LilyGazou Idk if that's more hilarious or sad. Just decided it's more sad.

[@garrettbryan2717]

@FatuousRobertson WOW. I think about this all the time especially in regard to art creation. People that are real artists in my experience can't restrain themselves. It pours out of them. If you put them in a brick cell they will use their food, or their blood, or their cloths to make something amazing. Going to collage for this seems silly. Someone who studies under an amazing artist would mean WAY more than a degree. I tell my kids this and I would tell anyone else. If you want to be an artist than create art.

[@deborahhoffman7394]

A degree gives you education useful in many ways. But it does not necessarily make you an artist.

[@ThinkBeforeYouSleepYT]

Camille Paglia's default speed is 1.5x.

[@AndRew-vo9bz]

Man your all over my KZbin these days!!

[@OniNoFro]

And that's before she gets passionate.

[@elementq]

Laughed for 5 minutes... still she is a 0.5x ben shapiro

[@beerosaurusrex]

Her cadence and use of "okay" reminds me of Quentin Tarantino.

[@crrist]

LOL I actually checked the speed at the beginning of the video.

[@nateswain4633]

I love seeing this other side of JBP - the intense listener, rather than the lecturer or debater. He's obviously got huge respect for her.

[@joaitken123]

Isn’t it great not to see the female trying to take him down because he’s a white man who talks with intellectual honesty especially on the equality argument which they hate to hear that in fact women are different to men. This lady has the brains not to even want to argue it. This is what a real pair of feminists looks like.

[@nateswain4633]

@@joaitken123 she's not ideologically possessed, that's why

[@lubberwalker]

He's learning.

[@lubberwalker]

@@nateswain4633 and she's almost not gender possessed either.

[@the.french.lobstercolinrau2728]

one doesn't realize that such a person must have spent more of his life listening than teaching ;)

[@comegetzome]

This is easily one of the best conversations from two unique true patriots of academia talking about post-modernism. It’s one of my favorite episodes Peterson has ever done & I truly admire Paglia for her abundance of knowledge in art & economics.

[@brittimusmaximus7298]

Also have her to thank for adding "intellectual midgets" to my repertoire. 😂

[@dr.emilschaffhausen4683]

Li'l, how long have you been a victim?

[@KentShepherd]

@@lilmoe4364 You can just admit you couldn't keep up. We won't think any less of you.

[@crichtonbruce4329]

@@KentShepherd I admit not keeping up freely. Sometimes you hear a conversation were you think your grey matter must be leaking out of your ears because of its banality and/or stupidity. Sometimes you hear a conversation (like this one) were your not sure your mind can expand enough to take in all the wonderful new ideas your being exposed to.

[@NadiaGee78]

Intellectual midgets! Haha. She's fascinating.

[@Grogx331994]

My god she was born in 1947. Intellectual fire and passion keeps you young, it's finally confirmed! Amazing conversation as always.

[@aidanmehigan7062]

Ive never seen Peterson refrain from cutting someone off mid-speech as much as he did with Paglia in this conversation. A sign of true admiration.

[@marksmanmerc1]

Bro she's intimidating as hell. I'd be afraid to interject too. She'd call me a philistine and then I'd get to experience the verbal equivalent of being mauled by a bear.

[@gregwinter8503]

@@marksmanmerc1 Lolol.

[@RashaunMichelle]

Yes. Because she matches his intellect, knowledge, and assertiveness. So in order to participate, he literally has to break into her speaking to get a point in edgewise. Very good conversation.

[@AnneliedeWet]

​@@marksmanmerc1 BS..she's not intimidating at all. She's simply animated. Wtf is wrong with you?

[@AnneliedeWet]

I think he simply wants to hear what she says...

[@scillyautomatic]

And a very special *thanks* to all the SJWs of Canada and the US who introduced me to Peterson and Paglia. If it were not for your protest a the University of Toronto, a year ago today, I might never have known about either one.

[@anddoomsticeforall8140]

David Henning crazy how that works

[@iansladetullis]

Yep, same story for me!

[@gregc6535]

Here here! They finally have served a useful purpose!

[@jennifers508]

Ditto

[@Hammasmash]

David Henning hahaha same here! My life has only improved upon discovering these individuals.

[@snoxracr]

I would love to hear a follow up conversation between Dr.'s Paglia and Peterson, now that ~5yrs have gone by, about the current state of things since this interview.

[@susansmith493]

She survived a rampant student demand for her dismissal a few years ago at Univ of the Arts. Although, transgender herself she's highly critical of the current movement. They didnt like that. Her opinion has evolved and changed on most issues because the issues themselves have changed.

[@naomioosthuizen1400]

She’s not transgender- she’s gay.

[@strnglhld]

@@susansmith493 She literally supports NAMBLA. I’ll pass.

[@RashaunMichelle]

Same. Maybe request from his daughter. She helps manage his career.

[@socialcommentary1014]

@@strnglhld Her support of NAMBLA was at a time when the organization presented itself as less praxis and more theory. That is, she supported lowering the age of consent to 14 (as it is in Germany) mainly in recognition of certain arguments regarding pregnancy and disease. At the time she supported NAMBLA, the organization had made a very cogent case for lowering the age of consent, noting that this was keeping pregnancy and HIV transmission rates low in Germany by fostering honesty between young teens and their parents regarding sexual activity. She has since renounced her previous stance and argued for stricter punishments of pedophiles.

[@GoodKarma22]

This is first time I’ve heard of Camille Paglia. This was an amazing interview and discussion. I listen to Jordan Peterson all the time now. He is a treasure. I’m so grateful to have found him. Thank you both for your brilliant minds.

[@rmth9827]

Her book Sexual Personae is excellent. She also has articles published in various magazines, before they became woke.

[@dripstein6130]

@@SexuallyRepressedMegalodon agreed

[@tiffaniterris2886]

@@SexuallyRepressedMegalodon lmao, nobody knows who she is. JP is asked to have talks at the best universities on the planet and is knowns worldwide. Gtfoh.

[@blurtling]

I just watcher her on Politically Correct with Bill Maher from either the 90s or early aughts, pretty cool lady. Great sense of humor. It's on YT as of yesterday.

[@patrickstarshooter5221]

@@SexuallyRepressedMegalodon An intellectual icon who wants men to have sex with young boys? Get your head read.

[@antimitsu]

I came for Jordan Peterson. I stayed for Camille Paglia.

[@RobertJamesChinneryH]

check.

[@davidmarcucci3388]

So how much you willing to pay? It's for meth not this rando

[@DrWizardMother]

True story. First time I had heard of her. I'm impressed.

[@mikroman1818]

And i quote -"Okaay"

[@vectorequilibrium5839]

Why not not appreciating what both have to offer? They agree anyway if you notice.

[@rumagent7252]

Came for Peterson, stayed for Paglia - what an interesting person!

[@anthonygreen6219]

Agree!

[@alfonsocruz6100]

Same here

[@bigboi9767]

Indeed. An interesting person with an enlightening wealth of knowledge

[@WAZZA1235]

i wish i had 1/10 of her energy.

[@estershome]

Yes

[@burkejones8277]

I am so happy that I went to college and graduate school and had professors like these two people, not them specifically, but professors who had the same passion for connecting things like these two do. Let’s just call it a common sense approach to reality.

[@threeofeight197]

My professors were like this too. Idk where all the “over the top” libs are but there weren’t in my state university. I think this is a niche rich ppl college problem.

[@kazbah1217]

I graduated in 2018, not that long ago and was super disappointed with my uni and lecturers experience. I was forced to take politically charged subjects otherwise I wouldn't be allowed to graduate. These subjects on a more impressionable person would have left me having radicalised and pro political views. Luckily I'm an older graduate with a strong resistance to conformity with evil alignments. I could spit on my degree that's how much I value it now, but I am still stuck with uni debt that has interest added yearly. Great recipe for a dissatisfied and bitter citizen.

[@hughgreentree]

Camille, tell us how you REALLY feel. My gosh, she has so much energy. Her passion is wonderful. Her observations are correct. I've seen how bureaucrats have taken over institutions and organizations; they don't know how to actually DO anything other then attend endless meetings. They hate people who really know how to do things and will exclude us...until things are falling apart and they need one of us to come in and put the entity back together.

[@midnightrun2764]

I agree! “I’ll have what she’s having!”…😉….✌🏼🇨🇦

[@tombrennan8372]

Well said. Could not agree more. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@Temeika_B]

This is also present in the K12 system. After working in the classroom and in an administrative role for a while, I realized there was no "real" desire to fix it. Broken by design.

[@thematsc]

When Sinead o'Connor tore apart a picture of the pope on national TV in 1992, as a statement to what the catholic church had done to hide information off priests abuse of children (something the pope knew about) Camille Paglia said that Sinead o'Connor deserved to be abused as a child. I have had a very hard time to take this woman seriously after that comment.

[@ecstanton8385]

@@thematsc right??!! Sinead knew what was up before the rest of the world...and what a horrific thing for someone who is supposed to be highly educated to say

[@clydecavalieri4511]

Ben Shapiro and Camila Paglia could have a 20 minute conversation and then someone could publish the 638 page transcript.

[@panzer5033]

Lol

[@BiggestRedditor]

Imagine them arguing in court. The judge wouldn't know what's happening and the person who types the transcripts would be permanently disabled from arthritis.

[@yourjewishmom7791]

She’s way too smart for that dweeb lol

[@demetriusmiddleton1246]

😁🤣

[@stygianapproach]

But Camila's "oks" and "alrights" would make up at least 300 of those pages. Holy hell that's annoying.

[@mistythegamer4556]

To tell the truth, I found Dr. Peterson's videos just over 24 hours ago and I have been met with world view changing revelations one after the other. As woefully uninformed as I still am, me from two days ago was appallingly, unbelievably, and unforgivably ignorant. Strange that I can only feel blessed and thankful to learn that I am absolutely being robbed.

[@Ounouh]

There is so much good content from Dr. Peterson. Please watch his visits in JRE if you already haven't. Just search from here youtube: Joe Rogan Experience #877 - Jordan Peterson Joe Rogan Experience #1006 - Jordan Peterson & Bret Weinstein Joe Rogan Experience #1139 - Jordan Peterson Joe Rogan Experience #1208 - Jordan Peterson Have a nice day.

[@sydniandrews7128]

Forgive yourself! And forgive others whose brains are still dormant. And pray that more people will actually wake up to what is historically playing out right now due to our abismal mal-education as Camille so beautifully put it!

[@olafbooij6849]

I've a playlist with my favorite content of Jordan Peterson, mainly full length podcasts or lecture series.If you're interested.

[@MsJilliard]

Don’t be made about what you’ve missed, be grateful that your not there anymore and will never “go back to sleep”

[@carminedeleo209]

Welcome to the real world. :)

[@dhawes99]

It's a great delight to return to this. She never stumbled in her speech. Her brilliance is inescapable. Did I say wow yet? Stunning. To see these two talking has raised my IQ 23 points. Jordan is an astoundingly good listener. Wow

[@Temeika_B]

Doug, you are absolutely correct. I noticed his intensity while listening, and I was impressed with his skill. This makes me want to up my game for sure.

[@reddreilly422]

😍😍😍😍

[@lanecore75]

Well said. I was fortunate to find this 5 years ago and I was astonished at this conversation. I was introduced to Camille Paglia here and I was in awe of her rapid fire speech . I try to revisit this conversation at least once a year.

[@michaelz9892]

Camille even makes Peterson look humble.

[@DG-bb4ij]

It’s so rare to see Dr. Peterson have a conversation with someone equally as competent as himself. He’s having so much fun bouncing ideas with the queen herself!

[@ksid6003]

I’m only 12 minutes-in and I’m like, fuck she is smart! Definitely an equal to JBP

[@ekksoku]

@@bentoboxofire7404 I think that's just part of her frantic personality and can be disregarded, listen to the information, not the "poo poo" no? And just because there's some poo poo, doesn't mean there isn't a gold nugget in the middle, one of the issues of today is taking things at face value.

[@smotnick]

Though they conveniently (or smartly) avert lowering the age of consent.

[@DG-bb4ij]

Ekksoku Agreed! That’s the process of learning. You take in as much information as possible, parse out things you don’t agree with, and critically challenge their ideas as well as your own. No matter how brilliant, no one is 100 percent correct. Reducing people’s agreement to political alignment is honestly just such a lazy argument.

[@seancarson1212]

@@bentoboxofire7404 Try reading Sexual Personae....

[@step2191]

Who else, once you found JBP, have watched hours and hours of debate and lecture, or listened to it in the background while you do something? I have, I could listen for days! Really has changed the way I look at things. All for free. Thanks Jordan, you are gifted.

[@Chaos-lb9hi]

I listen to JP when I workout (daily) I workout for my therapy. And Jordan’s powerful thought and how he can articulate in his speech. I am honestly in awe. He’s helped me in a number of ways.

[@ericferre]

Me too, listen maps of meaning while studying. greetings from Barcelona

[@musafir3]

I'm totaly addicted , it has been my music for months now and he pushes me to be à better human been .

[@XyZiid]

It's been almost 2 months with me

[@pukhatozhimo]

I do that too. For some reason I enjoy it the most when I'm doing my sudoku. 😃

[@annewillmott3091]

It began, it progressed and it ended in smiles and laughter. The essence of conversation, talking and listening in turn, respect when learning something new and delight in sharing similarities of thought. The best conversation I’ve had the privilege to witness. I’m still chuckling with delight, thank you so much dear people. I’m 80, just, so have lived through a decades of time you discussed. History was a huge part of my learning, both in school and around the dining table discussions at home. I learned to think for myself, read voraciously, debate my point thoughtfully and valued my fathers and mothers life history, even to this day.

[@johndavies1987]

Hello there. I'm watching the interview and also looking at some comments occasionally. I was very taken by your comments, because they are so articulate and profound. I'm just sitting here reading your words, saying yes yes yes! I'm 74 and would love it if they could arrange another conversation. It certainly causes me to reflect on how things have changed in our lifetime. Love your words. All the very best to you. John Davies.

[@cameronmacdonald772]

Wow. Five years after this was put out and it is still an amazing and relevant conversation! Often I watch or listen at 1.5 times the speed, but Camille Paglia had so much to say and said it so quickly, I actually thought about slowing it down to 0.75! This was an incredible conversation!

[@reddreilly422]

😂

[@justinweiss4191]

This conversation was more mentally stimulating and thought provoking than my entire 5 years at a University...

[@dmaestro1514]

Justin Weiss hahahaha

[@flyboy712]

Had you tried, you would have been called bad names and shouted down.

[@I-Libertine]

Justin Weiss I was thinking ther same thing

[@jamesvanceurban8727]

Don't feel bad; it is a lot of brainwashing now days. You have to agree with their ideas of they will ruin you and in our society you need to finish your degree. Universities are horrible places of censorship and fascism(violence and compelled speech).

[@sizzlepants8525]

This level of conversation is beyond so many people that the odds of receiving an education of *this* quality is akin to the needle and the haystack

[@biddydibdab9180]

Dr. Peterson is a great speaker but what I see here is his extraordinary ability to also listen with intensity. He is so unlike the many people who interview him who constantly try to focus attention on themselves. This is a great conversation.

[@miguelcanutodacosta8091]

I only wish we had captions on his thoughts whilst listening...

[@MelissaRayneDance]

I noticed a similar thing watching the Australian Q and A he participated in earlier this year. The two self-proclaimed "feminists" on the panel (the type to spout "representative democracy" provided that it only extends to privileged, mostly Caucasian women who have had the luxury of being able to spend 15+ years of their lives in full-time education ) were deliberately ignoring Peterson and making obtuse noises etc etc. But when it was their turn to speak, Peterson listened carefully and intently before giving considerate and measured responses. Whether you dislike someone or vehemently disagree with their opinions, when it comes to public discussions there's a way of conducting yourself that is dignified and shows a mark of intelligence - Peterson's got this down pat and it's impossible not to respect him as a consequence.

[@himrix]

He is a professional psychologist before a thinker. He is a professional listener

[@cecynay7369]

Both of them have complete focus on the conversation and are excited to explore all of its facets. So refreshing.

[@lissak2503]

Wow, I could listen to this all day. It‘s not only interesting but it’s extremely cathartic to hear people speaking the truth and making sense in a world that seems to have turned its back on reality.

[@adamdrives365]

100% agree, makes me want to go start an argument 😂

[@ktbayarea]

This

[@helterskelter2026]

Pure joy seeing Jordan in genuine awe during a conversation with a woman.

[@geeianna7708]

"with a woman" (sic). A trifle condescending. You mean Camille Paglia I guess

[@kaiseylee]

Fantastic to see a woman on the internet not acting like a fool, really. Amazing conversation. It's a terrible shame humans seem increasingly incapable of conversation lately.

[@shadowwolf12398]

*with someone

[@JenniferRenee1969]

@@kaiseylee so true and even more surprising, a gay woman who considered herself transgender. She is a rare gem who has fought against the modern-day feminists that are ruining our culture today.

[@strnglhld]

@@JenniferRenee1969 considering she supports NAMBLA, she’s not the best example

[@ugottheblues]

I really respect how Camille is able to talk A LOT and she's known for that, but she also really listens and clearly has respect for Jordan. When he's getting ideas out she really gives him the floor. It's rare to see someone who can be so equally a good talker and a good listener. I feel like it's the mark of a genuine intellectual. Somebody who has a lot of activity in their mind but is always open to learning. This actually goes for Jordan as well. The only problem with this conversation is how much they agree with each other. Luckily their focuses are different enough that it's still very interesting and they inspire ideas in each other.

[@pn5721]

JBP doesn't agree w her on God (he doesn't say, for obvious reasons, that he's a believer, but he'd step over that line if push came to shove I think), abortion, or porn, and he has nuanced views on gay marriage (whereas in all of these she's a full-blown libertarian) - BUT he doesn't insist on disagreeing with her when these come up for brief mention by her, which I'm glad of. It's like old Jesu said, "Not everyone who says "Lord! Lord" enters into the Kingdom of Heaven, but he who DOES the will of my Father." Camille Paglia DOES the will of the Father. SHE SEES. A true prophetess and I love her. She can SAY she believes in allowing porn, abortion, whatever. But it's what she SPEAKS ON IN DEFENSE OF that matters. I hope she doesn't speak in defense of those things. I haven't watched much of her beyond this with JBP, but if this is representative, everything she chose to elaborate on, to expatiate on, is GREAT TRUE AND ON THE MONEY. 'God bless her,' everyone.

[@moolieporchers7629]

It is a sad commentary on our society that watching two people who know what they are talking about, and actually endeavoring to communicate with each other, can seem to be something unique and wonderful. It should be commonplace.

[@transporter78213]

They came together for a conversation, not a debate. An attempt at expanding said conversation. Not as J pointed out, as 13yr olds. Our politicians and the media can relearn what their roles in societies should be by this mature display.

[@Catherine-NYC]

@@moolieporchers7629 This type of conversation was perfectly commonplace in tiny kitchens of Eastern block dissidents. No worries our society is almost there (sarcasm*): a few more years of current cultural unraveling and toxic ideas being gradually enshrined into law followed by a few more years or decades of real tyranny, with dissenters being physically imprisoned and exterminated (vs. simply cancelled), and I promise you, a good amount of people will start asking real questions and finding real answers as a consequence, out of pure desperation and need for survival. Intellectual conversations like these will flourish. Jordan and Camille are not merely intellectual but also wise bc they are trained to see all processes within a larger context of many other disciplines, in this case history and biology, without being trained historians or biologists (on the contrary, our new Supreme Court Justice refuses to explain who a woman is because she’s not a biologist - !!! She’s a poster child for the death of classical education.) These two (and many others, classically trained) have a skill: they account for wisdom collected not just by a few generations but by the entire course of humanity.

[@jc720725]

I think it just seemed like a lot of agreement. I think Mr. Peterson was just glad to find someone who might be able to validate his thoughts. Two intelligent people that feel things are not a good as they were or could be might very well be on the same page!

[@donwurbadit]

To see Jordan finally not have to fight his way through an interview, but have an enjoyable and fascinating conversation is so wonderful. If you look at his face, it is relaxed and smiling. God bless this man.

[@aryasayne]

Yes, the Cathy Newman interview is a bit like watching a parent patiently attempting to debate a three-year-old.

[@DarkFoxV]

Yeah, while I think more could be added to this conversation, the fact that *it's a conversation* and not looking to reach a goal or accuse or "defeat" one of the speakers but to learn and bounce ideas off of each other instead; it understands how human conversation is at it's best.

[@ErikDeMann]

@@aryasayne Cathy Newman is mediocracy personified, her job is to address the mediocre, uninformed viewer.

[@aryasayne]

@@ErikDeMann agreed, although I'd suggest the communist-indoctrinated viewer. She is the most irritating journalist ever., animus possessed indeed.

[@mrssslimer]

he is conducting the interview not being interviewed. why would he struggle? he is the one asking the questions. this is his channel. he doesnt struggle with anybody. he chooses the people he wants to talk to.

[@meghan8020]

I’ve just come across this woman. She is hilarious and so quick and so cutting 😂 Amazing. Love her haha

[@Gallowglass7]

Yeah, she's brilliant!

[@carltope9949]

I read a playboy interview she did over 30yrs ago. She was detailing her life's journey as a lesbian, she said at one point in her promiscuous past she felt that her tongue had taken up jogging. That kind of analytical fearless honesty is what sets her apart....

[@meghan8020]

@@carltope9949 😂😂😂 seriously!?!?

[@erinreilly33]

She’s a NAMBLA supporter. She’s been quoted as being a supporter for fondling children of any age.

[@VOLightPortal]

She's like an intellectual samurai! Razor fast and razor sharp!

[@petrapalusova]

This conversation is a work of art itself. Complex concepts divinely carried out by intellectual equals in such a manner that made me have goosebumps. Bravo!

[@MrDeVillie]

Jordan on level of tuition fees and student loans: "It seems to me that the bureaucracy has conspired to pick the pockets of students' future earnings and they do that by offering extended adolescence"

[@sophiasadek]

Bureaucracy has been a blight on the West since the days of Caesar.

[@irishpolish80]

My take on the issue of student loans/debt. It's a postmodern day version of indentured servitude. Only the "7 years to win your freedom" is spent in college receiving an adequate brainwashing of state approved subjects. After college, if you studied liberal arts, you spend the rest of your life without a career, matching your degree and are forever paying the government for the privilege of being brainwashed. If you do find a career matching your degree, you work within the brainwashing machine, perpetuating its growth and its "validity".

[@hedgefundphil]

But people like extended adolescene

[@spencer5028]

He needs to name the globalists

[@arai6147]

billy bob johnson that is the point billy!

[@kiltmaster7041]

Jordan Peterson: "Hello." Camille Paglia: 20 minutes of passionate oration. Jordan Peterson: "Yes." Camille Paglia: 14 minutes of passionate oration. Jordan Peterson: "Agreed." Camille Paglia has a talent for rants.

[@ohno1706]

Agreed.

[@lucysweeney8347]

Wonder if Sam Harris has ever interviewed Camille Piaglia??That I would love to know.I love to listen to both of them.Also Malcolm Gladwell.

[@alphamorion4314]

It's wonderful to witness. Basically the ONE time in wich I've seen Dr. Jordan Peterson NOT taking the 95% of the 'rant' time

[@designthinkingwithgian]

When you're that enlightened and are witness to a mad world, I don't blame her for her passion 😅

[@valentinocaruso9282]

i came here to make the same coment

[@alfalfaomega9290]

The first 13 minutes is quite possibly the best eloquent rant I've ever seen. Beautiful timing, and delivered with gut twisting passion. The look on Jordan's face was a picture in itself. - now for the rest of the video. I don't think I will be disappointed.

[@enterthecatalyst]

This conversation is even better on second watch…. Even 5 years later.

[@emrico]

this is what the internet is for.

[@Devin_Stromgren]

Unfortunately, it is not.

[@jonaseggen2230]

Enrico Bagarotto Yes this + kittens

[@juanborjas6416]

Now the internet is where the real knowledge andd education is if you know where to look for. The only problem we still have is the acreditation.

[@burnbabylonburn78]

This is what the Internet SHOULD be for, but unfortunately, most people use it for the exact opposite. The quote Edward R. Murrow used in “Good Night and Good Luck” regarding television could absolutely be extrapolated to the Internet today.

[@Interfect727]

It was also what television was for. Look what happened since.

[@milesmungo]

I made this my ringtone.

[@GRfg1000]

Can you call my phone? I lost it Did you find it yet??? No keep calling it

[@ratzlp0li]

The Bach? Great piece (Brandenburg Concerto No. 3, Third Movement).

[@thegreymonk4993]

... no... don't answer yet.... cook something first...

[@AndrewKauffmanyesimthefunnyone]

That'll make for some awkward confusion for folks around you waiting in line at the grocery store..... The only way to handle that is to look them in the eye and say "CLEAN YOUR ROOM, its full of snakes! 🐍

[@mist__4974]

Funniest comment OF ALL TIME

[@jacobfrantzmonster]

Camille understands the importance of history

[@Demention94]

History repeats itself, doesn't it?

[@Offhisrocker]

“Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. The mediocre mind is incapable of understanding the man who refuses to bow blindly to conventional prejudices and chooses instead to express his opinions courageously and honestly.” Thank You Excellent to hear and learn from college professors sharing intellectual knowledge teaching each other and now myself THANK YOU!

[@CappaGTC]

We're having this for free... when it's priceless.

[@orriolbohigas591]

Yes, and it should have a billion views....

[@MrAnonymous1515]

Don't worry. I pay 15$ a month so you can enjoy KZbin for free.

[@Jide-bq9yf]

Lil David you say that only because you’re a connoisseur , in a world that’s long forgotten fine wine .

[@tubemankiwi]

@@orriolbohigas591 Should have ,could have, would have. The three pointless statements.

[@orriolbohigas591]

@@tubemankiwi Well, thanks for the added redundancy of your comment.

[@sandbach7195]

You can see how much Jordan P. respects another intellectual on his level. Delightful to watch.

[@warrenclark7982]

This is true, he has so few intellectual equals.

[@ulisesurquia3197]

Precisely!

[@ericah6546]

Camille Paglia is amazing. I'm binging videos of her being interviewed right now. ❤

[@dischargeconductor7305]

Same ❤

[@conanthegreat4418]

She is BRILLIANT and fearless.

[@thematsc]

When Sinead o'Connor tore apart a picture of the pope on national TV in 1992, as a statement to what the catholic church had done to hide information off priests abuse of children (something the pope knew about) Camille Paglia said that Sinead o'Connor deserved to be abused as a child. I have had a very hard time to take this woman seriously after that comment.

[@ericgoldstein4734]

What a great conversation! These two are so sharp, thoughtful and well informed… If only we could spread the idea of using them as exemplars.

[@h.e.pennypacker4567]

“We’re living in the dilusional fantasy of a naive 13 year old girl” Priceless. 👌🏻

[@TSC36999]

Mk Ultra/The Plan= disassociate away from reality, act as I train you to act...

[@johnlmcgary]

Totally stolen.

[@annabellee2703]

*Delusional ✌👍

[@justanotherhuman1865]

True, but a reason for delusional fantasy with allure to control might come from escape to a "traumatic" reality. We aren't listening.

[@gerbmac]

great rational point - oh wait nothing of the sort

[@bebopj]

Attempt at a bibliography for this video: Jordan Peterson - Maps of Meaning Camille Paglia - Sexual Personae Camille Paglia - Sex, Art and American Culture (contains both her infamous date rape essay and her demolishing of the Post Modernists) Carl Jung - Symbols of Transformation Erich Neumann - The Origins and History of Consciousness Erich Neumann - The Great Mother Frederich Nietzsche - On the Genealogy of Morals For what they're reacting against: Michel Foucault - Madness and Civilization Michel Foucault - The Order of Things Jacques Derrida - Of Grammatology Jacques Lacan - Ecrits I don't know what works Camille is thinking about for Leslie Fiedler, Norman Holland, Max Weber, Emile Durkheim or Erving Goffman.

[@AlexanderJonesYoutube]

bebopj you're the real mvp of this comment section.

[@headbandassasin]

legend

[@bebopj]

I just really like bibliographies.

[@withastone]

Suicide - Durkheim; Presentation of Self in Everyday Life - Goffman Both works refer to the importance of sociological factors in human psychology and behavior.

[@jimmyart007]

You could add the brief reference to Waiting for Godot too, I guess.

[@escobarphilip]

"The fact that the students handed a bill of indentured servitude here for their student loans is absolutely beyond comprehension. You know, it seems to me that the bureaucracy has basically conspired to determine how to pick the pockets of the students future earnings right and they do that by offering them an extended adolescence with no quality control" . Simply savage appraisal and to me, seems quite on point. I really like how Mr . Peterson summarizes in three sentences very complex issues.

[@alexandrataylor1768]

This is magical. I wish I could experience this level of communication with another human being. I am learning so much from this one conversation and it's 5 years old!

[@Puss1man]

Unfortunately you never will, but at least you can listen to conversations like this one online

[@ohwowlovely8733]

The contrast between Peterson's self-disciplined/controlled body language and his careful/neat speech with Paglia's theatrical expressiveness and open flow of thoughts. (Both impressive)

[@luxetteboutique9520]

Yes the personality types are wonderful to watch. She is a pure artist and free thinker.

[@ceruchi2084]

frootjooce He interviews Jonathan Haidt with the same format (and at the same length) elsewhere on this channel. It's also a joy to watch!

[@iagovelazquez8500]

Indeed, much as I love Paglia, that is simply the price men must pay to interact with women in general and harsh women in particular. Women and children make a lot of noise, get used to it.

[@designthinkingwithgian]

classic Yin-Yang display

[@chriseflores5253]

Peterson is able to make deep commentary with few words. Paglia is able to talk at great length and completely elaborate a topic. Perfect combination.

[@paul_GriyaLestari]

Well, it was an interview and he was the interviewer. He did his job extremely well and she was the perfect interviewee.

[@kettenschlosd]

its so interesting, because it sounds more like a dialouge. its not question-answer-question-answer, rather they start into a question and then both give their insights

[@dmj-ju9zx]

If you let your attention wander for a second you'll miss three ideas. The presence of coffee in the background is appropriate.

[@nintendo9231889]

HookaSmokingCatapillar it's his channel, I think that he is letting his guest speak.

[@felidiusz]

Both of them are so deep thinkers! I swear I can see sparks of intellect jumping between them.

[@TheInnerParty]

As a professor, let me say this has aged very well and is so very prescient to today 💯

[@marcianneaikau8776]

Harry Neilson’s work of art ‘The Point’ came to mind, individuals, cultures, we all can learn the best from each other to perpetuate the family of humanity. With great differences , belief in a creator of all , human or not becomes significant and healthier, with Jesus. Glorifying God, is consciousness, gift’s given through a spirit for self survival, revelations of responsibility, living life charitably. As families , seeking to better one ‘s understanding, as we learn something of value with each moment of existence on a teeny tiny planet, in an expanse, that the only solution is the communication ( living and saying what you feel with regard to a solution that needs discussion to understand another. Communication opportunities of freedom are essential and are being silenced. Examples of Hope are people like you folks that give light to all, problems to the answers are broad and far reaching, as opinions and experiences also differ in solutions. Our liberties have become defensive, fearful, and ungodly, equality is, but isn’t the reality. The prayer of the Rosary is a family story, the birth of a way of life. A thankful, grateful way of the dignity of believing in The God of creation, caring to survive, courageously, with joy the gift given us, life! I recently heard that Tesla, thought of God as a huge circuit board, knowing what God knows, reality is each of us are that circuit, and we are being disconnected from family, God begot Jesus, chose Mary adored God, and while glorifying Him, families had hope for humanity. Mary’s devotion of God brought her the honor to be Our Mother. Skills for communication , prayer, a families belief in the family since Adam and Eve, are at the for front, out of the mouth of babes, as they say, teach your children well, is sung. Deception is a defensive mode to separate truth from encroaching problems, like the teaching of the basic issues , the family, time for the family, and the maintaining of growth needed for happiness of the family, extended, extended. Sharing knowledge is one of those gifts. I think Adam’s rib, must be the whole cage, God’s way of a woman’s right to find a protector of the happiness expressed in the Garden, it must have been a wonderful revelation, frightening etc. Leaving a protected existence , to the cosmos , that’s a whole lot of learning, and it gets more complicated, not having Jesus Christ Immanuel. We need a brighter enlightenment of the teachings of words and conceptually understanding them. Family envolved requirements are needed, family priorities. How? Pray the Rosary, or meditation on bettering yourself and humanity, thank you for your conversation about fearful controlling people in places that effect thought processes. Adapt prayer time, concerning, the concept of living grateful for each of the gifts we possess, and thankful for those that help us , from the realms of devotion of the Earth for the betterment of peaceful societies! The less hurt we cause the better we all can be, forgiveness essentially is for all . The pains of birth to the pains of death for a family , is a family story for each life, keep that in mind when meeting another, ask Jesus to be the Wisdom of grace for change.❤

[@badger5149]

One of the all time best conversations of my life. I fell hopelessly in love with Camille.

[@YuyiLeal]

Camille's message to women: "It's when men are men...then you're going to be happy." So on point! Brilliant!

[@kleinbottled79]

Let's face it, they still won't be 'happy.' But they will be able to blame men for being men more effectively, which will make them a little happier.

[@YuyiLeal]

Lol

[@captaintac3115]

She is a lesbian right? And she still has to point it out for women to understand

[@lemortedbrian6070]

@@captaintac3115 she is somehow both transgender and gay

[@Noname-hs5lx]

Yuyi Leal exactly

[@stuianwood]

Two beautiful minds and spirits that have suffered severe vilification simply for voicing their very well crafted and deeply informed views. An enthralling conversation which was a joy and privilege to watch. Thank you Dr Peterson and thank you Dr Paglia for sharing this.

[@rman5033]

Listen to Fiamengo File you will LOVE it.Its a broad frying fem fog

[@Magoover1]

Pseudointellectualism can't tolerate honest intellect.

[@Magoover1]

36:30-38:10

[@Malouco]

Did she say “I am a tranny”, was this a joke or for sake of arguement?

[@michaelsieger9133]

Vilification from where? Not to mention their entire “scholarly” career is vilifying intellectuals they don’t understand. This hysterical bitch also seems to think that Foucault’s mission was to destroy art (lol)

[@anastasiakallinic]

This is a conversation that resonates so much for me and my reality of the world. I'm glad I discovered it, and makes me feel less alone in my values and beliefs.

[@lanecore75]

Yes indeed. I can't agree more. We have to believe there are many more of us who are grounded in reality than the extreme left would have us believe. Facts over feelings.

[@mihailspil-haufter]

This is an excellent talk and I mean it. One of the best interviews / idea exchange on social/sociological/ psychological/cultural and political topics I've heard in the last 40-50 years. Is witty without being pretentious. Honest, direct, elegant and brutal in the same time , that's the mark of genuine intelligent humans.

[@TdotJohn]

This may be the greatest anti- modern feminism, pro- classical feminism video of all time.

[@heitord5539]

The New Left IS the SYSTEM. They are not ANTI-System at all! Saying they are anti-system is just propaganda. That´s the whole point.

[@stevencable6317]

TdotJohn there is no classical feminism. The classical thinkers would have mocked her

[@KR-nv3ru]

She's also pro NAMBLA. 🤢🤢

[@fattiemcfats9783]

Jordan. Go to 37:35. Patrice Oneal answers this problem in the black phillip show. Go listen to all 12 episodes. Its our job to give them options on how to think. He showed us how.

[@Archetype77]

This woman supports pedophilia and Jordan Peterson helped to draft a U.N. Marxist doctrine that forces equality of outcome across all Nations. He is a lying fraud and she is a demon.

[@DrStephenT]

I love watching Jordan and Camille. It's like getting the benefit of thousands of books, conversations and thought over years all in one session! Brilliant.

[@AbstractAngelArtist]

Jordan Peterson is a leftist UN/NWO puppet on the world STAGE... Paglia is a NAMBLA/pedo supporter....... both of them sold their souls for fame and fortune long ago....

[@gussampson5029]

I think that's how we should all approach every conversation. Look at people like they have a wealth of knowledge and experience and therefore something worth learning. Try to dig it out of them and you'll both have a very useful and very enjoyable conversation.

[@StanGraham1]

totally true Stephen!

[@PrenticeBoy1688]

This is rather good. I was familiar with Paglia before I gave into actually listening to Peterson. I heartily recommend the Firing Line Debate where I first came upon Dr. Paglia. The title is something like Resolved: That the Feminist Movement was a Complete Disaster. The Con side was led by Betty Friedan and otherwise consisted of lesbians, Dr. Paglia included. She could've been on the other team, as she was rather clear that she thought what the feminist movement had become was detestable.

[@AbstractAngelArtist]

@@PrenticeBoy1688 do you support NAMBLA like Paglia does?

[@paulvail7863]

I’m blown away hearing these two intellectual giants so succinctly expressing in words the things that I have been feeling/experiencing yet unable or perhaps just afraid to articulate. What a relief to know that I am not crazy or out of touch. It is only natural that social mores change and adapt through the generations. But no great society will survive for long when it insists on shattering the pillars on which it stands.

[@bobjohnston3735]

Listening to Jordan Peterson is almost like what I feel after reading the Bible. When you are finished you have gained wisdom and have strengthened the foundation on which to grow.

[@heatherpage1445]

I thoroughly enjoyed his Bible series. It was a fantastic journey to listen to. I now call the Bible our Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth. And a lot of Jordan's understanding of it really correlates to that.

[@Grandmaster_Dragonborn]

@@proudatheist2042 Not at all: Truth, wisdom & freedom.

[@bigboi9767]

The sheer emotion you can feel when Paglia speaks is something I haven't heard from people in a long time

[@jesusjohnny8286]

She's like that all the time. Beautiful.

[@fultonicemedia]

I can't even figure out what emotion is happening

[@burnlikeneon4044]

It's why people say right wingers are angry.

[@bigboi9767]

@@burnlikeneon4044 because only anger is loud

[@electricdreamsofsoul8195]

@@fultonicemedia I think it’s what the wise sages used to call righteous indignation, although it’s only been heard of in myths and legends. It’s a state that can only be achieved through integrity, expertise, and testicular fortitude lol

[@lucyhardman2267]

You don't realise how starved you've been for intelligent media until you hear two great minds talking. I think I just found a bunch of brain cells I dropped behind the back of the couch.

[@davidtansey1395]

^^^ THIS

[@condors1972]

Armless Banter trumps couch

[@sophonax661]

Armless Banter Yes well said! JBP's content became like coffee for me. It tastes good, it vitalizes my mind and I enjoy it every day.

[@adrano_]

I love the way Camille speaks. It's so fast-paced and exciting

[@illuminachristos]

This is the most refreshingly intelligent and eloquent discussion about men and women I think Ive ever had the pleasure of listening to.

[@thequestion5935]

As intellectually stimulating as this interview is it is equally as satisfying to know this is a collaborative discourse between an open Christian and an Open Atheist. Their fundamental belief of the source of morality did not hinder their efforts to explore morality together. Powerful

[@keymaker2112]

I'm at a loss sir, where is this purported Christian in the video?

[@821lancevance]

@@keymaker2112 Peterson has said that in a different video

[@keymaker2112]

He's a theist, certainly, or seems to be, but to qualify him as a Christian would require that he profess a Creed, which he does not. He's a cultural Christian at best.

[@keymaker2112]

@@821lancevance Nothing he has said equates with any known Christian creed. At best he's expressed ideas that are deistic and culturally Christian, nothing more. The essential cornerstone of "Mere Christianity", he has not formally acknowledged, namely 1) Jesus rose from the tomb. Barring this he cannot, even in the barest sense, be said to be a Christian.

[@jackneely9404]

If Christian means agreeing with the ethos, he's Christian. If Christian means believing the Jesus Christ story literally happened..... it is very unlikely that Peterson believes this. He's a literary deconstructionist. He is probably an atheist. I'm in this boat. I believe in the Christian ethos aesthetic, as in, sacrificing yourself for the highest conceptual good. But I'm too creatively minded to truly and consistently believe ANYTHING in the Bible LITERALLY happened. Who knows. We don't know.... generally speaking. Some things we can't know, at least not without a time machine. A *true* scientist knows not to believe in things that do not weather scientific scrutiny. A creative person knows "belief" is a fluid part of conscious experience. He is both, so I really don't think he fits in the box of theist or atheist, but if he had to be shoved into one box, he's probably categorically atheist when it comes straight down to it. This is just my take, cheers.

[@Creamy6oodness]

I've never heard Peterson stay quiet for so long 😂

[@maximumhate666]

And there is a good reason for this. She has incredibly interesting thoughts to share. It’s incredibly tough for smart people to listen to dumb and mediocre babbling. It’s like your brain has already processed Everything that has been said and wants to progress the discourse but the person keeps babbling.

[@richardchurchill6455]

maximumhate666 rr try

[@lynzannabel6990]

DItto 😅

[@U81527]

maximumhate666 evidence in Jordan’s GQ interview. He literally predicts her thought pattern and calls her uninteresting lol

[@carloisidoresalcedo6325]

Hahaha. Me too. Asorbing everything.

[@LauraVolpintesta]

At 12 minutes in, the rant about academia-- DAMN! Yes!!!!!!!!! Faculty here, and alumn, of the New School. I’ve seen all this play out. Brilliant. Thank you.

[@xabhinavvijay1151]

Such a profound conversation. One of the most brilliant and forthright women I have ever come across. These kinds of conversations make me feel grateful for having technology that allows me to connect and learn from great minds worldwide.

[@jhl3653]

That row of coffee in the background... she drank ALL of that before this started.

[@GettindaJobDone]

I think a more powerful stimulant is apparent here....

[@maceoflux6474]

Laughed aloud to your comment

[@Ozgipsy]

jhl365 bless her, isn't she wonderful.

[@kennethpryde966]

Nah, she wakes up that tight. If she actually took any caffeine, her head would explode.

[@cortecz]

Does she ever calm down in this video? Don't think I can tolerate 2hrs of her.

[@VinceLyle2161]

My God. This is like Christmas for my brain.

[@johnseanglavey]

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[@averagefemale3731]

I second that!

[@mikeschneider1624]

nicely and originally put

[@mikeschneider1624]

"rain in a desert" to me :-) (no native speaker but love your language)

[@MrCameronian]

You made me laugh, yes and Easter too :-) With intellects like these I think we might just have a chance.

[@barbararussell9757]

Great discussion! I have sent this to friends and would like to recommend it far and wide. Camille Paglia is my generation and she describes the situation at East Coast universities in the early 70's PERFECTLY.

[@darkmaitri]

I wrote a comment response to this video three years ago. Listening to it again now. And I must say this is one of my favorite interviews Jordan does. I don't know how others may interpret it, because I was immersed in these analyses in school. So for me it is supremely enlightening. Thank you Jordan for seeking her out and then uploading the video.

[@user-zd7fi1fh6r]

I am humbled and stunned by the power of the persuasiveness of the arguments here. I am elated by the serendipity that allowed me to find it. I'm 76 and I am moved.

[@EdgarParedes.127]

I’m 43, and I enjoyed it too.

[@middleofnowhere1313]

Almost 50. Love these two.

[@averagefemale3731]

27 and can't wait to pass these values to my children! CAN'T WAIT!

[@mikeschneider1624]

I am much younger than the other people commenting here (thats a lie) .. anyway you and me both Bill!

[@mariovillanueva2442]

I love yo Bill

[@ancientfuture9690]

That opening rant on the hijacking of the 1960's counter culture was just beautiful.

[@quickchris10]

Yes all my life I've sorta been called a hippie or flower child; and I always had to ask, ``do you mean an LSD-dropping hippie or a granola-crunching hippie.'' Like all trends, there was the ``real deal'' and the hyped deal. Like punk rockers being ``Marxist,'' yet so many had fast motorcycles and fast cars and material desires; they were missing the point. All trends have the element of people intelligent enough to grasp why it's a trend, and then all the sheep.

[@g.s.3450]

One of Jordan's best interviews, a real joy to watch!

[@justinpaul8905]

Id really like to see Dr. Peterson and Dr. Paglia write a book together. Brilliant complimentary chemistry. This is my 3rd time listening to this since its release.

[@farcenter]

Agreed fully. There's a great dynamism between the two, It would really be something. I found her insights into the ultimate fate of the brightest 60s radicals, and the subsequent appropriation of their legacy from the postmodernists extremely interesting and something I'd love to know much more about. I get this sense that our culture broke in the 60s, and that our cultural understanding now of what the decade was about, and what it achieved is largely tall tale, not history.

[@strnglhld]

What’ll the title be? “NAMBLA is actually cool”?

[@justinpaul8905]

@@strnglhld Not sure where your going with that or how you deduced that outcome.

[@dwight4k]

These two together?? My mind officially went 💥

[@shawnellemartineaux6212]

Two people high in openness discussing ideas is the most delightful thing ever. 😍

[@af5433]

What do you think about intersectionality???? Do you belong to black community??? Do you consider yourself feminist=?

[@shawnellemartineaux6212]

@@af5433 from what I understand intersecrionality to be, it is a roundabout way to avoid the fact that the individual is what matters. It requires too many presumptions for it to make sense. I don't think the black community exists. I'm not a feminist in the modern sense. I think men and women should have equal freedom.

[@af5433]

​@@shawnellemartineaux6212 I think that too, but in general I keep on hearing talking about this intersectionality, this modern feminism ecc.. I'm Italian but we're strongly influenced by american politics. I keep on hearing "white privilege", "male privilege" and so on...... So you're indipendent !!!

[@shawnellemartineaux6212]

@@af5433 yeah America is crazy at the moment. I'm not American. Wokeness is a first world problem! I'm from the Caribbean and we are influenced by their politics naturally.

[@af5433]

@@shawnellemartineaux6212 I'm so so so sorry :(.........I really believe that these ideologies are going to be more divisive and they can even worsen problems

[@tessakai]

When I came into my adulthood as an independent adult woman in the medical profession, and then got married and wanted to be a wife and stay at home Mom, I always said "Women's Lib didn't liberate women (especially those who wanted to be wives and mothers), it liberated the men". Dr Paglia is absolutely on point. Great discussion.

[@nathanrosman-bakehouse359]

I actually think it liberated a small few men and women and shackled the rest to meaningless, lonely self indulgence.

[@anastasiakallinic]

Division and isolation. Divide and conquer.

[@saraeissa4954]

@@nathanrosman-bakehouse359 You are correct and Germaine Greer would agree with you. We call women like OP "female eunuchs". She is so incredibly brainwashed by liberal feminism, choice feminism, patriarchy, and capitalism.

[@saraeissa4954]

Tessa I think you should expand your horizons and read literature from Germaine Greer instead. Camille is a fraud in a sense when it comes to female liberation which is ironic because in the 90s that is what she said about Susan Sontag but at least Sontag never defended pornography. Read Greer, I beg "Greer's thesis is that the "traditional" suburban, consumerist, nuclear family represses women sexually, and that this devitalises them, rendering them eunuchs." - What you are, is a female eunuch.

[@kingofthehamsters]

This is probably my favourite discussion with Peterson involved. When he meets someone as passionate and hyper verbal as himself.

[@mufasao6776]

kingofthehamsters Yep, I keep coming back to this video, I just love her appreciation for history in relation to these topics. Here's another fantastic discussion: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i6PHYXyBZbx4jbc

[@taunokekkonen5733]

The one with Russell Brands is good as well.

[@Archetype77]

Do you think that Jordan Peterson promotes pedophilia and child pronography like Camille does? you know since she loves Allen Ginsberg and NAMBLA?

[@valgag0]

Alex woooooo you got me thinking!

[@ohno1706]

@@valgag0 She's a very intelligent and learned whacko.

[@HeadlinesWithAVoice]

Absolutely stunning. The opportunity to listen to this discussion between these brilliant minds was an honor. So refreshing. Thank you.

[@Auceza]

lol I don't think they are brilliant. But they aren't at least totally insane.

[@MW-nOttawa]

Keep your opinion to yourself, lest you be judged by the mob.

[@tarstarkusz]

She is stuck in the 1960s. As an older Gen-Xer, I am one of the few people who lived through the transformation. My single digit years was the old way. Everyone I knew lived with their mother and father and the mothers stayed home. They all knew each other and we lived in a real community. I turned 11 in 1980 and everything began changing. 1/2 the kids I knew lost their father and the rest (including myself) became latch-key kids. That 1970s world is absolutely gone and its people like her that keep it gone. Kids today are not allowed to walk to school! At 10 years old I bicycled all over the city. In the summer I went out in the morning and came home for supper. This is something that young adults have no memory of because they never did it, they were home playing video games living in suburbs but not allowed to go outside. They cannot fend for themselves and they can't even make up games the way we did. As was mentioned, we are being surrounded by a hostile group (Islam) and rather than preparing to fight, we are shunning and insulting anyone who sounds the alarm.

[@marcjohnson4385]

Michael W The Mob the Big Shoutdown needs to be poked and proded at every opportunity lest we become part of them

[@jarukgema6060]

Why do you want to "transcend gender"? Our differences are _good_ things.

[@philipgrier9376]

What a brilliant interview. I am going to have to read Dr Paglia's books now. I cannot speak to highly of her enthusiasm, wit and searing criticisms. She may be an atheist, but she ought to be a goddess.

[@BB-zi5wi]

Mindblowing conversation! Thank you both and much love from Germany! ❤

[@abrahamguitar]

The most important conversation even three years later

[@patriciakimball8150]

Agreed (my 2nd viewing)

[@NervaTraian11]

@Alan J same feeling at my fourth one 😂

[@katnip2u]

Wow, I'm on my 1st, 20 min into it and needing a mental break, looking for some digestive enzymes in the cupboards.

[@mrknowmyself]

I guess this will be relevant for at least hundreds of years

[@lachlanbell8390]

My only criticism of this conversation is that it wasn't 5 times longer

[@Guy_de_Loimbard]

It would have been except Camille Paglia has an inexplicable ability to talk without stopping to take a breath.

[@feelingkevinly]

I didn't go to college but I loved this video and watching videos like it. I have read and followed Jordan Peterson's work for a while now and I'm excited to learn more about Camille Paglia. I need to rewatch this a few times though haha. Thank you for posting!

[@karliegilbert7307]

It’s never too late if it’s something you want.

[@LilyGazou]

You didn’t miss anything. And you saved a lot of time and money. You can study subjects on your own wherever you are in the world. So much is available now - books online, videos. Colleges have free classes online too -like Hillsdale College. I can get the Great Courses from the library or buy them for a mere $35. You have a curious mind and so many don’t. I know many college graduates who lack that and never read anything.

[@mehran1201]

I learnt and enjoyed every second of this conversation. For many reasons I couldn't have this opportunity to further my education at tertiary level; nevertheless, I probably wouldn't have had such chance to better myself as I can now by listening to such exceptional thinkers. Madam professor Paglia, you certainly are a credit to the human science and studies, a role model for not only women but also men, I cannot thank you enough ma'am. Dr. Peterson, you are, as usual, the father of this fatherless generation, thank you sir for everything you have given us.

[@Nutorious007]

Well said…

[@eliasnewman1130]

Not just one of the best conversations I’ve heard, but also, by far one of the most impressive comments sections in youtube history. Absolutely non-toxic. Really gives me some hope for humanity.

[@unoyunotres]

Totally agree!

[@MGTV1]

@@NapoleonBonaparteMAGA i was about to say, it won't stay civil for long, and now peterson will have to answer for platforming a nambla spokesperson.

[@MGTV1]

@hugo zubiria its not about convincing people to become, its about convincing people it should be normalized. She is an idiot for the most part.

[@chadfolzenlogel8739]

@@MGTV1 I had never heard of her before I listened to this conversation over a year ago. She makes absolute sense here, bit he's ve heard that she's been a apologist or proponent of nambla. Not sure what to think of her after that. Pedophiles should be executed, not excused.

[@MGTV1]

someone just thumbed up my comment here and it doesn't show on youtube....looks ike youtube is in on covering that for her....especially since they might get a visit from the COPPAS....

[@Bkrushinskie]

Jordan Peterson says “lions take down the identifiable animals... academics use language to hide within a system” - brilliant!

[@alenazelentskaya962]

How are these related?

[@Will-gm4bk]

@@alenazelentskaya962 Peterson was saying that the academics are using the animalistic trait of using camo to hide in a group through language to protect themselves and others from criticism. By not being identified by sticking out, they aren't being hunted.

[@joshuabroyles7565]

Racists pretend to be music theorists.

[@joshuabroyles7565]

@@Scotsmanic69 The wings are shown only to give a sense of proportion.

[@gambino48]

these 2 individuals will be remembered in history as 2 of the brightest intellectuals of our time...much like Nietzsche, Emmerson...whether you agree with any of them or not these people are considered to be vastly more intelligent than the rest of their time period...and these 2 most definitely will be for this era

[@subhankarmohanta7546]

Excellent! This was very helpful. Thank you so much professor Camille Paglia & professor Jordan B Peterson.

[@iuricpeixoto]

"Peterson was incontrovertibly one of the most brilliant minds I have ever encountered" -Camille Paglia (in a interview by "spectator us")

[@chanimarie6753]

You can tell shes impressed by him as shes trying to overcompensate herself. Camille Paglia can stand with the best of them, been around alot linger than Peterson, shes got nothing to prove, but she felt she did. They both enjoyed eachother company. Great conversation between two intellectual giants.

[@peterkay7458]

HOW DARE SHE!!!

[@peterkay7458]

@@chanimarie6753 I do what she does because I study entanglement for NASA's NIAC. I once spoke with the inventor of Teflon, the most modest man I ever met. She is just excited to finally meet a mind equivalent to her own, at least taht is why i get like that, it is unbridled excitement and enthusiasm expressed simulateneously....i fell in love with both a little bit, and not gay or TGI

[@peterkay7458]

@Neil Mo I agree Neil just a true delight, she got so excited it was contagious, JP as usual is ..........immeasurably calm :P but clearly THRILLED a planck distance below the surface

[@BiggestRedditor]

Corno di Bassetto She's literally said that she's very impressed by him..

[@TheArchetypalist]

"The neo-marxism at universities is simply a lazy way to assert multiculuralism without actually doing the research and the study of other cultures" - Dr Camille Paglia

[@Danko_Sekulic]

How true! This is why we cannot create a successful multicultural society in an environment where most people are utterly ignorant of other cultures.

[@motorax11]

Sunk the hoop with the closing statement.

[@stevenrichardson1843]

Well spotted by her, and by you, I missed that and it's brilliant .

[@albiboy1599]

@@Danko_Sekulic That's the result when you approach other cultures with the only purpose of escaping from your own.

[@AbstractAngelArtist]

Jordan Peterson is a leftist UN/NWO puppet on the world STAGE... Paglia is a NAMBLA/pedo supporter....... both of them sold their souls for fame and fortune long ago....

[@spiraldaddy]

This is one of the best interviews ever!

[@ashleywebb2736]

One of the greatest conversations I've ever listened to. .

[@YuyiLeal]

Please Jordan, keep in touch with her when building the online university...she has such a great idea of a well rounded education...keeping the greater narratives in mind, how it all connects.

[@YuyiLeal]

I agree M.T. Matter, great insight! That is why students must be given an integrated education, where they are simultaneously considering how one thing ties in with another and another - history, art, religion, philosophy, psychology, sociology, etc. And yes, Religion seems like a fundamental binding thread across the epochs of human kind. I was very lucky to have studied World Religions as a Major in University, it opened my eyes so much to the realities and paradigms of so many different nations and traditions across the world... it was a very enriching experience which I can't even put into words. I think at least an introductory course in World religions is a must!

[@TangMan14]

Except she endorses child porn and pedophilia.... Not someone that should be around Children

[@paulj9821]

@@TangMan14 You done? How many more comments will you copy and paste your reply?

[@stoonersan2707]

Omg this video broke me. I am actually tearing up watching two intelligent people having a rational discussion. Thank you for this video, it comes at a time in my life when I am surrounded and being consumed by mediocrity. To be a bit cliche here, it is a cold glass of reality as I traverse a desert of vacuous media sensationalism. Again, thank you for this.

[@funkmeyer4614]

I just now found this. It's like Christmas! :) My favorite Camille Paglia quote: "If women ran the world, we'd all be living in grass huts." (I'm a woman, so I can testify to the truth of this. )

[@Petertwohig1948]

I've been watching KZbin since it was invented, but have never been sufficiently moved to publicly comment. Until today. Thank you, J and C.

[@jessestevens_aka_jesus]

Nice to finally hear from you Pete.

[@liambrammall1764]

Huzzah!

[@alkazaryyy]

Same here!

[@petretepner8027]

Do you hate getting called "Pete" when your name is "Peter"? Hey, there's a whole extra syllable to our names, guys and gals.

[@petretepner8027]

+MayorMacDeath I guess you're right, May. And I guess the person who called Peter "Pete" knew him anyway. Waste of time, really. You can call me Petş (pronounced Petch) if you want , but that's hardly any shorter than my real name, so another waste of time. Ah well, we live and fail to learn.

[@lukehanaike5889]

Incredible. Two intellectual titans of the modern world talking. Its gonna be a bumpy ride