PvP Map Tier List | S25 E2 Revenant

[@ShadowReaperX07]

0:00 - Intro 0:37 - Midtown (21:23 - Midtown Revisited: Airborne Gameplay / 'off angles') 7:50 - Multiplex (1:12:53 - Multiplex, some closing thoughts about an hour apart) 10:37 - Eventide 12:30 - Distant Shore 16:30 - Endless Vale 19:40 - Javelin-4 26:07 - Widow's Court (27:00 - Distant Shore / Widows Court / Midtown - Potential Strategies / General comments) 26:28 - Eternity 28:20 - Dead Cliffs (& Non-Contributor Positions) 36:06 - Burnout 38:20 - Fortress 41:20 - Dissonance 44:40 - Altar of Flame 50:18 - Bannerfall 53:10 - Pacifica (& Non-Contributor positions) 54:25 - Wormhaven 1:00:12 - Meltdown 1:00:47 - Radiant Cliffs 1:04:30 - Disjunction (Frontier 1.1) 1:07:55 - Cirrus Plaza 1:11:39 - Cathedral of Dusk 1:14:08 - Vostok 1:16:47 - Anomaly 1:19:50 - Convergence 1:21:30 - Citadel 1:24:42 - Exodus Blue 1:26:41 - Cauldron 1:28:49 - Twilight Gap 1:32:43 - Cammy's final Tier List

[@cammycakesgaming]

Thank you so much. Was burning the candle to make this happen during hurricane prep.

[@Retarded_Ape]

😤

[@jacksonwyse7524]

1:06:42 - 5 minutes left

[@DannySaiz]

@@cammycakesgamingI have the perfect solution for the double melee problem. Instant recovery after getting hit with a non-powered melee. The melee damage can be the same and still require 3 melees from full health.

[@ShadowReaperX07]

@@cammycakesgaming Ever since i've done this I've been cursed with some of the worst maps. No good deed eh

[@ExpertRam]

Putting this on during washing dishes again

[@idkdude5301]

And im driving to work 😭

[@kitanat9944]

Nah how are you me?

[@FettuccineAllaGay]

Blåhaj in pfp 🫡

[@dooshnukem32]

I miss the Death Donut (Retribution) for similar reasons mentioned about Endless Vale and Distant Shore - unpredictability. There were lanes for any build to work well, but the map design encouraged everyone to keep moving. It's been a while, rose colored glasses and all, but I don't recall matches going to time much on that map. I do remember having fun every time that map came up tho.

[@fayithuwu]

controversial take but meltdown is my favourite map, every game without exception i always have fun and there’s angles to play to counter play styles like snipes or shotty apes and the spawns are beautiful for clips

[@defenestrater]

I really like how it has a good balance between CQC on the inside and Lanes for pulses and scouts on the outside

[@BcDyxaLKgoNdgU]

Main complaint with meltdown is that far outside is largely irrelevant, since B and heavy is the same, and outside mid into B is such a noobtrap plus a slog to get through unless the opponents are bad

[@kitanat9944]

For the comp setting, I just hate Meltdown’s choke points.

[@fayithuwu]

@@kitanat9944 i actually quite enjoy it in comp and trials, granted i do main strand and solar warlock and there is a lot u can do with them there

[@SrtSlider376]

I also enjoy meltdown🥲

[@rushsoccer1355]

Can you quantify smiles before and after every special ammo system change? We’ve come full circle to constant special ammo use since Trading Timmy can just pull out his guaranteed 1.0kd off spawn instead of actually earning it with the meter system.

[@PatienceCOD]

Hope you’re hunkering down in the storms cammy! Stay safe❤️

[@lllllllllllIllllllllllllllI]

i hate cirrus plaza for how many little hallways and interiors there are. that combined with the abundance of special ammo (weird that we are back at this issue) makes for an awful experience.

[@DesignatedHealer]

Cammy coffee clu- AN HOUR AND A HALF?! GOOD GRAVY!

[@jordan95623]

New adaptive heavy gl has reverberation and impulse amplifier in opposite columns. Use proxy nades. After initial kill, 100 Blast radius lets proxy nades kill all resil again for 6 seconds (refreshable)

[@kupo6905]

Just a heads up, I broke Solitude already.... Simple; there's just no sky barrier, which means that you can get on top of the map (storm edge, grapple, ascension) and you can just go anywhere. Yes, the big tower thingies, you can go on top of ALL OF THEM

[@cammycakesgaming]

Gotta show me when I’m back streaming

[@kupo6905]

@@cammycakesgaming gotcha. Take care now, that hurricane looks insane (from what I heard, it is the 8th strongest hurricane in history)

[@nerdherder9340]

@@kupo6905solitude also has the issues with the new lighting engine

[@deeell7084]

Hour and a half of Cammy’s thoughts. We have been blessed.

[@MockinFrog]

"...Unless you're my teammates" Almost spat out my coffee

[@V1K1Ng147]

Yeah man I 100% agree with almost everything you said here. Really goes to show how much knowledge is needed on these maps and knowing all different kinds of engagements

[@paulmoviusshadowthorpe1786]

So glad I came across this, so many great tips, tricks and tactics I never thought I needed to know!! I will be recommending this video to anyone I come across in the future who needs to up their game!!☮️

[@SrtSlider376]

Lit vid as always brodie🔥🌋, ur map tier list vids are my favorite🤝💯

[@remr90]

10:54 SO THAT'S HOW IT'S CALLED, as a transversives enjoyer, this fuxks up movement so damn much and yes is jarring af. IE you peek and shot but know for certain you're about to lose, guess what, now you CAN'T slide back to cover 💀

[@hipsterroxas2626]

10:05 “snaking where you slide on a slant and can’t see their head” is there any way cammy you could make a video over just general terminology like that one? This has to be how my non fighting game friends feel when I talk to them about fighting games

[@reev3417]

1:10:18 there is an out of bounds spot, but yeah i agree.

[@pricemart1104]

The lighting from dark on distant shore is why if I spawn at A side I don't even bother TRYING to peek from dark... "MY EYES!"

[@michaelferrarini1463]

Endless vale and jav are my favorite maps. Countless hours of private matches with the boys there.

[@grantwardo]

One of my biggest gripes is concerning invisible walls for balancing aerial engagement angles. I run Lion Rampants with DMT, so I'll often aim for off angles to get an advantageous first shot or a split engagement with a teammate. The issue comes as there's no clear visual indicator where a player collision wall is, or sometimes even an invisible wall that doesn't let bullets pass through. Dissonance and Endless Vale has some of the worst examples of this. I'd MUCH prefer there be actual geometry pieces to cover what the devs don't want accessible, or maybe create some sort of hologram that appears when near an invisible wall? Simply any sort of visual indicator would be a massive quality of life boost. The game has started encouraging more aerial play styles now with Lions, Heat Rises, AE, and all the AE related perks. I like to build into that, but feel punished for doing so when a map isn't clear in what it's intentional angles are supposed to be. The only way to learn is through failure from an attempted new angle, and it's a really frustrating process. (Writing this before watching the video so you may mention this, but thought I'd throw in my thoughts in case any Bungie Devs see this lol)

[@Mytherial]

Thanks Cam, I needed something to have in the background as I do my laundry

[@HighFiveGhostenjoyer428]

Final list at 1:32:43

[@ericsmirnjak4248]

This is exactly what I was hoping you would put out soon.

[@ctorresphotography]

The morning work commute vid is here! Thanks cammy.

[@uThandaBantu]

Man, the description of Wormhaven was such a lesson. So many things to learn - thank you! Also - did I miss Rusted Lands? Oh, never mind...just heard your final sentence!

[@exomoneylabel]

me personally i have worm haven on s tier allows perfect range for autos and hc to snipe and even pulse and scout it has fun angles that arent as campy due to the flanks being more head to head focused allowing for different engagements in different areas and keeping gameplay feeling fresh. terrible headglitches tho

[@xthecre8or735]

Can you do a map breakdown of the returning map for those of us that haven’t played it before ?

[@Ohvurr_leveraged]

Great video. More of this please and thank you 🙏

[@kdoty]

endless vale is the map I feel like i can carry on because it's a simple epic battle for zone b has 3 (or 5 counting middle as 3) approach options that require minimal patience, has plausible but difficult kill chain extensions into spawns, and has the noob-killing no man's land center

[@Isabelle-mp8rk]

i do find it funny that all the always quit maps are revamped d1 maps, is it because they don't fit the new gameplay, the higher skill level or were they just bad always (cauldron defo always was bad cause the doors were always real awful)

[@soulfulmisfit8127]

need one for solitude now that its back

[@ataxdj]

Feels weird getting all this knowledge for free. Thanks Cammy

[@mrinferno1571]

moral of the story, we need a double primary mode

[@maxmusterman3371]

You cant tell me that the endless vale spawns arent absolutely rediculous in 6v6. The map was designed for D1 trials. So its good, but ffs not for 6v6

[@ForeverLaxx]

>holding bad sightlines to protect their KD This. I get tired of this one specifically. EDIT: You mention radar range and I personally think Destiny's radar is just way too large. Yeah, you don't get "exact" location but being able to know you're getting flanked (or trying to flank) is way too forgiving.

[@ukemi-]

sojourners can roll discord and harmony, and with radiant it can 1 body (according to d2foundry) with solar, you can use the hunter radiant dodge and the aspect that extends radiant for kill chains do what you will with this info

[@yourbrojohno]

1&1/2 hours of visual and audio content in this economy, with a storm on the way?

[@BlewGhost]

The worst thing about Beyond Light will always be what it did to the way Destiny 2 is rendered. The game is SO much harder to read visually nowadays while also being genuinely ugly to look at. I don't care what advancements were made at that cost, give me back Armor 1.0 for all I care, just let me see what i'm shooting at.

[@thatguyfrominvincible]

how did i miss this for 2 months

[@llrecluse]

Stay safe during the storm cammy!

[@zionsegears1762]

Is there a way to be peak shorting better/ faster? It seems like you are moving faster in your peak shots and usually not getting hit by opponents as much

[@PlatinumDestroyer]

the trials map tier list would probably look pretty different huh

[@NOBODIES_XIII]

The only way people will pay attention to power ammo, If they screen start blinking purple or huge text appears on the screen saying Power ammo is online 😂

[@roenomel_6437]

15:00 my brother in christ do you not remember how literally almost everyone complained about needing to melee more than twice when they first started checkmate? If he is joking about it needing to be triple melee I guess I don't know the joke but like almost no one wants that. Of all the pvp content creators I watch cammy is the only one that asks for this to my knowledge as well

[@cammycakesgaming]

Asking for opponent to land a single smg bodyshot before warping through space and time to abandon a duel and double melee isn’t asking for much

[@roenomel_6437]

@@cammycakesgaming omg hi

[@allmightgt4861]

Even if another S tier map is made, it won’t beat an old S tier maps strictly due to familiarity, some ppl have 7 plus years on those old S tier maps.

[@cammycakesgaming]

It’s all about compatibility with game modes, sandbox balancing, and player habits. Disjunction rift is really good for example.

[@thealldayspecial]

@@cammycakesgaming Cammy I appreciate you going right for the jugular off the bat with "special weapon jousting" because it brings up the larger design problem of how so many of the less favorable Destiny pvp maps have hard angle chokepoints on chokepoints and for 6s and obj games like Control especially, it makes the action play a bit shaky because of how the battle is already solved with not many options to fight back or have meaningful playmaking pay off. There's no point in doing a some 9000 IQ flanking move into a certain area when the only other entry way is a long winded wraparound chokepoint that still has the opposing player at a major defensive position advantage. Multiplex is a massive offender of this because of how there's not really a ton of reasons to play offensive or defensive at A and C as there's not really a ton of room utilized meaningfully(seriously those starting spots are too vast and pointless), so everything gravitates towards the spaces at B, or near it and those tunnels that are again a choke point on a chokepoint, are annoying to play in because you can just run away and wait til somebody messes up not backing down. It's not exciting gameplay basing the entire flow of the match on who screwed up first, and more frequently and there's not really a ton to work with when you're trying to level the score. Obviously this game is very old and a lot of maps are not built for the physical capabilities(literal speed, locomotion, movement tech etc) combined with weapons available and it's often why you can get some low quality games especially in the 2024. Twilight Gap, Exodus Poo made a little more sense at 30 FPS locked and what was possible back then, but now it's just super clunky and unpleasant because of how much we're afforded. It's like being punched in the dark with how claustrophobic those 2 maps are and you can just beeline the same routes and have mindless play.

[@timfarnam]

Gemini Jester them into the corner on dead cliffs.

[@NOBODIES_XIII]

The art team be doing too much with some of the angles on these maps. It be cool if Bungie look at this video and take some notes

[@Ohvurr_leveraged]

I seem to play more linear in high stress modes. Stuff like this is perfect for players like me.

[@meatball5598]

would the flags to control on widows court be B and C? you said floating dawnblades and those are the two flags that have more arial influence

[@Jbrooks7177]

Eventide labs has actually become a favorite for me.

[@andrewshrader6454]

I don’t like using power. Idk why. Don’t get the same feeling as a 3 tap or using an auto. To me

[@michaelferrarini1463]

I can agree with that, but can you please just pick it up and not use it if your teammate has the enemy occupied?

[@Retarded_Ape]

Or burn it once you get it so nobody gets to use it

[@sovl2178]

Make a video on how you would improve pvp as a whole

[@sleepy6797]

90 mins vid, yes please

[@pizza-for-mountains]

good morning

[@darriangario3447]

I quite enjoy multiplex best big map imo

[@scalarmotion]

Wait, did everyone just forget Fragment lol

[@ARCtheIsmaster]

damn i have to fundamentally disagree on triple melee being more fun. Ive hated it since shield-pop vanilla Reach

[@simonandreyevdestiny2]

morning bud

[@maxmusterman3371]

imagine you wouldnt seach longer for a game than play it

[@thealldayspecial]

Rusted Lands?

[@thatguyfrominvincible]

Cammy you will not gaslight me into wanting double primary back don't even try it >:[

[@maxmusterman3371]

hc peaking imo should be nerfed because it is very broken when combined with this games incredible lag inconsistencies

[@kamuispams]

widows court and eternity enjoyment, how disappointing 💔💔

[@sethpigg4468]

Hey man im watching this video for the 4th time, i watch it while i play. I really like how your forward on your videos, even about the add revenue. So ill be forward, stop quitting games. We have to wait long enough for games now that the player base is dying. If you dont think yo can win the match, play….. what we call in the OSRS world, anti pvp mofo. It’s a damn sand box, even my bs as can make an arc strider with rose, mechabre, and truth, even my ass can make teams stop their mercy runs…on purpose, just to play you. Im gettin alright too, i can take a 2 v 1 decently now. From your help just an fyi, much love my nigga

[@sethpigg4468]

Blink, flash bangs, and worm husk. You’re so dang good i bet you could guess the fragments and abilities, probably even mods.

[@sethpigg4468]

Also, emote a lot, i use laugh and salute. Dont forget to salute your good plays after death 🫡

[@sethpigg4468]

Full bore, accurized rounds, elemental capacitor, range finder, textured grip with range mod and targeting adjuster….cracked, no lie, especially with blink, the range and stickyness, im on Xbox 🤣💚

[@jappajotahs8703]

I wish people would play the game rather than chess.

[@hyperhinhitter]

distant shore is top 3

[@casualhamburger9607]

Stop hating on distant shore

[@darriangario3447]

Ive always liked it but i realize its not the best designed map

[@Just_be_yourself109]

Did you just abbreviate "challenge" to "chal" ...... you're on discord too much

[@maxmusterman3371]

ae needs be gone else pushing vertically is a death sentence, when it should be part of the game to penalise camping