CAMPAIGN vs VERSUS | Left 4 Dead 2

[@HSTop]

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[@Teimo]

The real difference between versus and campaign, is that in versus, you get kicked after existing for 10 seconds.

[@alexyang5069]

thats actually theres like some untold rules when playing public servers... look it up i wish i did when i was 12

[@zear2284]

@@alexyang5069 bro I didn't do a death charge on dead center, and got kicked. I didn't even know what death charge was at the moment.

[@alexyang5069]

@@zear2284 ik the feeling of "dont get charger deathd" *gets charger deaded*

[@zear2284]

@@alexyang5069 no mercy roof 💀

[@Xenorvya]

@@zear2284 That is why I hate playing on my favorite maps in versus. Dead Air & No Mercy have so many charger kill spots but those morons are going to get pissy just because you didn't kill an opponent in the opposing team. "Wah u bad at vido game u no kill :( me kick. XD"

[@ThatDevilBrony]

I legit did NOT know you could get a two-can headstart by carrying the fuel cans! That’s amazing!

[@4bafiafzil999]

Fuel can magically turns into gas can

[@itdobelikedattho8112]

@@4bafiafzil999 gas is fuel my niegga

[@TheWegee3000]

@@itdobelikedattho8112 gas is gas, gas is not gasoline, there is a difference but un the US it's used as a synonim for fuel

[@imFxnrir]

Rinse and repeat for the passing. Really annoying when playing with randoms. Never hesitate to shoot the cans for no reason.

[@silverdashhd644]

make that 4 if you find other two

[@Kmosely42]

I like how skips were patched for versus but left for the regular campaign. Players can still enjoy using them (esp. speedrunners) and it keeps the versus match fair.

[@vocassen]

Unfortunately stuff like bhop isn't "patched" in versus. Great to see speedrunners use, not so much in versus. Same thing as the skips IMO

[@SonicMaster519]

Kinda like in L4D the original Rooftop level has plenty of safe camping areas that make the level trivial. In survival Valve made it so these spots no longer exist, they’re much harder to use and you’re better off playing normally, or you are punished for using it.

[@nanaten3]

@@vocassen I mean it is something that not everyone can do, a path is something else, since you just gotta know about it, for example, I cannot do Bhop, but a friend can do it perfectly, since he has player a lot of source games

[@TeoUnreleased]

@@vocassen most people dont even know how to bhop it's only the tryhard % of the community every game I play and yes I play on PC every game is normal like a Xbox game no bhopers just normal players bhop is super hard to do especially if you doing the crouch bhop

[@vocassen]

@@TeoUnreleased Idk I see it rarely but that's what makes it even more annoying on those otherwise close games that give the person bhopping the deciding advantage - e.g. tank when your team REALLY needs to win or, conversely, to escape a tank, or quite commonly to yeet yourself among the survivor as a boomer or smth. Even though that's not fully bhopping, the extra speed from the single acceleration before spawning often makes the difference. But yeah you can play the majority of the games without actively seeing it

[@s10055072]

Dead Center mall paths are picked by Director depending on your performance

[@4bafiafzil999]

Damn I didn't knew that I thought they are just random

[@DRB-il2pg]

well in all maps and it depends on your gameplay if you're doing good or bad

[@JAiZYouTube]

@@DRB-il2pg Not all maps, it can be either based on how you're doing, completely RNG, or a mix of both. The Parish's cemetery layout for example is entirely based on RNG.

[@WTFiTzFlow]

AI Director

[@DRB-il2pg]

@@WTFiTzFlow 🙂

[@runningwild09]

loving the good old l4d2 content

[@C.A._Old]

Now i learned thank you for this video. :-)

[@banallanimeandfurries]

anime should be banned

[@skaynne54]

​@@banallanimeandfurriesCringe name. Get a life, jeez.

[@NormanThe_FreedomHope22-5]

7:54 Louis: I'm dow- Bill: *I DIDN'T SIGN UP FOR THIS SHIT!*

[@acy2668]

That's Bill

[@NormanThe_FreedomHope22-5]

@@acy2668 Fuck it man! I didn't realized lol

[@jose7518]

7:53

[@HSTop]

From 0:59 to 1:45 it's random for Campaign. For Versus it's always the same. More info is here: left4dead.fandom.com/wiki/The_Director#Dynamic_Maps Thanks for your comments!

[@REDACTEDS-2]

That's true

[@thuglifebear5256]

I thought the route changed based on team hp.

[@JAiZYouTube]

@@thuglifebear5256 It's either specific factors ( Like Team HP, items equipped, team performance, etc.) or RNG (Completely randomized) and in some case a mix of both. Usually the method is set by the mapper when they make the map.

[@bomboclatlawg]

god bless yall still making content on l4d2

[@bobfray9496]

@@JAiZKZbin it's hp bc its always open during speedruns

[@Z3ZP]

Many of these are not tied to versus vs campaign but simply the AI director, also, the director favours the short paths on versus more often to create a better feel for a versus enviroment.

[@sorvoe5513]

Yeah, I was about to say, all the things pointed out about the mall are just Director variations. I’ve gotten the bottom path on Versus paths before, but it’s rare

[@Pren4573]

Yeah, seeing them compare verses and campaign paths like they’re separate things confused me since I’ve had both paths in either campaign or verses

[@1nterzept661]

Damn all these years I didn't know the map layouts change depending on the gamemode you play. As well as movement and background effects.

[@Lombaxtard]

It's worth noting that layouts are RANDOM in 'campaign' but FIXED in 'versus'

[@Xx-Darkcrimson-xX]

Same

[@CardenMutraido]

not really the director can change the ways and layout of the maps depending on how good or bad you are in the game

[@wyattbarnett3877]

Theres a addon where it randomizes no matter what

[@ItsAsparageese]

That first part isn't exactly correct, the video somewhat mischaracterizes it. The Dead Center mall map can definitely give either version in either mode. I'm sure there are some statistical differences & other variables but it's not a simple if-campaign-then-X/if-versus-then-Y thing generally.

[@Skinned_fried_n_cut_up_potato]

The take a break feature is so great and I always remember every time I go back and play some left for dead to and it still makes me wonder why I’ve never seen another game do it it’ll be such a better solution for AFK people. If your argument is that other games have things like XP and and K/D then just make them freeze when you’re AFK, problem solved having a bot would be a lot better than having no team at all

[@Skinned_fried_n_cut_up_potato]

@Tyler Havener that’s great

[@rainbowhero8132]

Evolve had the system, it proved to be a hard system to implement supposedly in certain gamemodes though

[@handleneeds3charactersormore]

@@rainbowhero8132 because evolve was a micro transaction hell hole that was designed to milk the player, not provide them with a quality experience

[@rainbowhero8132]

I think you're thinking of a different game...

[@skaynne54]

Depends of the games you might be thinking. And the AI would need to be balanced, if it would be in player vs player kind of games.

[@Antumarin]

I will never understand why they felt the need to remove the laughs and taunts in versus. Did they make them that mad?

[@kron3409]

People spammed those two, and yeah, was awful

[@Mrnoobestreturns]

I think the reason for that is because it cuts off the multiple of Lines survivors will say now cuz the last stand update brought in new once’s So I think there trying to make sure that people are new to the game can hear something new instead of laughs and taunts constantly all game in versus

[@jockeyfield1954]

@@Mrnoobestreturns it'd be pretty jarring for new players to join a versus game and then hear "HAHA- HAHA- Yeah- HAHA- HAHA- Your mom's car."

[@Mrnoobestreturns]

@@jockeyfield1954 yep clearly

[@mattiag1846]

maybe somebody of who created "the last standing" rosick so much and prefer disable laughs and taunts in versus

[@Charles-e4x]

All this time, I never thought about bringing gas cans with you from a previous level to use for Jimmy Gib's car. That's a nice attention to detail.

[@idsfxtm5759]

Campaign Tank : 😮😮 Versus Tank bhopping : 💀

[@Custom90]

4:28 just imagine the amount of trolling if this feature was in versus.

[@踊るじゃがいも]

6:56 this was already enough trolling lol

[@kenzogaming6713]

campaign versus versus If i was a dumb: tnx for the likes!!!

[@opdeathgun4897]

Versus what??

[@Emoji_smile_gaming4687]

@@opdeathgun4897 Versus

[@inkdemo9637]

But then it’s campaign versus versus Versus survival versus but then the other versus’es!

[@opdeathgun4897]

@@Emoji_smile_gaming4687 VERSUS WHAT?

[@SuperMarioVlogs69420]

versus

[@theguywhodrawsalot7554]

0:13 “I hate those stairs.” “I knoooooooooow”

[@Latenivenatrix_Mcmasterae]

All of the map differences, from the paths to the dead center fire, are performed by the AI director in the campaign so both differences are in the campaign

[@slevingaius]

A timeless masterpiece.

[@YoungBlood085]

Damn right

[@serenity_peace76]

Fr

[@Dangfeo]

Thank you for continuing to upload amazing l4d2 content. Don’t ever stop

[@franomaric2316]

In my 13 years of playing Left 4 Dead 2 i never noticed those small changes and details

[@Mrnoobestreturns]

To be fair I did notice because All the changes versus did basically made sure survivors or infected are balanced and that there not way to OP

[@humgg6298]

some changes in versus were added in the Last Stand update

[@franomaric2316]

@@humgg6298 yep

[@aDm219]

Campaign jockey. Magically wraps on your head

[@gabrielandy9272]

no it don't, its just that the default lerp is 100ms.

[@franko1597]

Versus jockeys: butterfingers.

[@mike7DILFLUVR]

great to see l4d2 content on my feed. never giving up those memories

[@foxyki113r]

they forgot a comparison and it is with the boomer, the campaign if a boomer falls from a great height and nobody shoots at it, it explodes, instead in versus if you are a boomer you will not receive damage and you will remain intact

[@twilightmoon96]

It's always beautiful when an AI Boomer intentionally jumps off a high place just to inflict bile on everybody. That's an actual strategy they chose lol

[@jose7518]

@@twilightmoon96JERONIMOOOO

[@fuckiopussigetti453]

​@@twilightmoon96now that you mention it, I'm sure balancing is why they turned Boomer fall damage off in Versus

[@EllusionZ]

L4D2 content never gets old.

[@luiswonder2101]

0:05 XDDDDD Francis flirting

[@russellclarke1997]

OMG, you hate stuff too?😂 There's a line where he says, let's play a game, guys shirts , everyone else skin😂😂😂😂

[@Botwashey_10]

3:59 "I feel like Gordon Freeman" lmao the universe is tied

[@AlfonR]

In campaign dead center at the mall part, you can actually go right if you have another player with you i think

[@inactivehorse9753]

That actually can happen on Solo too, I've had that happen a couple of times.

[@Xenorvya]

That's completely random in campaign.

[@GrubThompson]

Amazing to see all the details they considered for making the versus mode

[@LuigiStar31]

I been playing this game for years and still learning new things about it o_o

[@Cybersharky_]

Degenerate

[@AlphaJnx]

I think the reason why is to not cause confusion and some path takes longer unlike the campaign that's why they just do the fixed path way cuz every seconds matter on versus and fair and balance to both sides

[@JackalSniperSnipez]

I absolutely LOVE how you pointed your camera at everything Rochelle said she hated once she stated them, that added so much personality

[@LucaxCorp]

7:38 This shot up the amount of respect I have for Valve. They know these tricks exist, but instead of freaking out and patching them like so many other companies they just disable them for the competitive mode. Absolute class.

[@FiremansGaming]

Balancing in versus ended up being 2 very different experiences of the game Very good

[@yes5937]

WOW THE MUSIC AT 5:38 IS REALLY GOOD

[@CherryGoth_]

Its Amazing you're still making L4D2 vids! Keep it up man!

[@SaladaSla]

4:51 the music sync with the pickup :O

[@michaelgabrielgabiana1282]

HS, your tips for both survivors and infected are actually helpful to me, i still even use it today and it still brings me some nostalgia moment. Bro i hope you make for videos, because every subscriber is always your supporter. Keep up the good work! >:D

[@caloyakacool2001]

bills voice so accurate XD louis falls to hes death bill: i didnt sign up for this ####

[@brytsyd11]

Lol that's what Bill says whenever you try to ignore downed/incap teammate. It's hilarious.

[@budahead99]

I love the fact valve kept skips and such and just patched for versus

[@yukishiro245]

Another left 4 dead video by HS top 🔥

[@konoham3474]

I love that fact that the bg is jazzy and the video is a comparison its so relaxing

[@lucassinclair8885]

Hs top is the only person who can notices some pretty cool details!!

[@johnquinlan6756]

6:56 F**k the Last Stand team for taking away laugh/taunt from Versus. It was usable in the original release before they got their grubby hands on it.

[@nodrognameerf]

last stand my ass, how tf they have got valve's permission to publish this update with such stupid changes, like unlocking css weapons

[@GustaCairac]

Lol, the L4D1 survivors just dissapeared while the survivors from L4D2 were trying to reach the other side from the bridge.

[@ShebbyYT]

I like how in Campaign valve never pathces out any speedrun skips/exploits because they actually value speedrunning.

[@deecee1524]

at 7:20 the campaign side can also happen in versus its just that ONLY bot tanks are effected by this if a player is a tank this animation will not happen

[@jellybelly230]

1:43 In the campaign it's randomized if the fence is up or not at least it was for me last time I died multiple times on this map

[@starflatinum244]

I love how you add "MUDA MUDA" at this 3:51

[@Tangent_Pixel]

I almost exclusively play versus, and this explains why I would get lost so easily in campaign mode...

[@hihosh1]

For Dead Centre, Sometimes you go through the toy shop, other times you go through the route you took. Sometimes the escalator is on the right, others on the left it changes

[@tryusufEditsz]

How to make İnfinite fuel : step 1 get a gascan step 2 make zombie chase you step 3 pour the gas to the jenerator while zombie hits you step 4 profit

[@rsho3472]

6:41 I am not joking, after 2000 hours in l4d2, I stopped playing because I can't laugh in versus and it was the gamemode I most played, now I only play mostly custom maps, and I haven't been playing very ofter, truly the most disgusting change in the last stand

[@1337Ox]

Same here, I have 1500hrs, and I recently got back to L4D2 and I was confused why some of the voice commands don't work. A lot of people seem to like the Last Stand update, but I straight hate it.

[@gabrielandy9272]

for me its good its blocked i hate people spamming these voices stuff and stopping the game dialogue it break my immersion, laughing screaming and all that its annoying not fun. the correct change for me is to allow laughing but have cooldown so u can't spam it. all voice overs should have a cooldown and if someone is spamming u could mute they vocalyzer.

[@rsho3472]

@@gabrielandy9272 I don't like it, to me if you want to have a story go to campaing, no one in versus goes there to hear the characters talk about how they are now broke because they spent all their money on NFT, it just makes the game more generic, survivors don't laugh, shortcuts that had a risk are now removed, and the game feels more generic to me, you are controlling some guys who can't express their emotions, I can somewhat agree on the cooldown thing, but I also can't because one of the most funny things that happened to me in l4d2 is hearing Nick laughing while being charged off a cliff, that doesn't happend anymore, the funny shit people used to make by cutting story dialogs was out of this world to me, a whole community of stuff, gone in an update, replaced by just competitiveness in a game that isn't even competitive, I have wrote a lot, but this game was trully the one I loved, and it saddens me to be bored of it now that is just another shooter A to B for me...

[@rsho3472]

@@1337Ox A lot of the fixes where necesary, some shorcuts where broken and had to go, some other shortcuts where actually 🤓risky to pull off since if the infected team focused on it, they would probably incap or kill a survi because they didn't use it properly, now the game is more linear than it used to be, it's still a wonderful game don't get me wrong, but long are the days of "GET IT O- HAAHAHAAAHA, GET IT GET IT! HAJAJAJA, THE FREAKING TANK IS your mom's car, ajajajajaa"

[@gabrielandy9272]

@@rsho3472 its cause each person have they own tastes, i want hear the dialogues every game mode, i play for me its ok, i do wish they did let people still laugh but the devs did not do this, i would prefer if they did cooldown instead. so that way everyone could be happy its better then be disabled.

[@B0NZ3R021]

I love how u come to my suggestion as soon as i remembered l4d2 . how nostalgic . tq for the content😘

[@SubKnight151]

I love how Valve tried to make the survivors go around the fire on dead center, which could potentially lead to more death charges. In the end we all know we’re just gonna run through the fire.

[@tgnm9615]

5:26 You always find tank's bigass arms at the corner in campaign lok

[@PerfectAlibi1]

I mean, campaign tanks need see the survivors before being triggered. Versus Tanks are controlled by a player as the survivors get near to the Tank spawn. A player tank is NOT going just stand there till the survivors get into visual range.

[@itsmebaige9804]

at 1:50 if you open that door then the fire will spread for life but in versus it is already open

[@tk-hf4oz]

I love the subtle changes. Idk why but my favorite difference is Tank's health in campaign and versus.

[@Maxi-Gonz.]

Yeah. In Campaign, the Tank has from 2,000 to 13,000 hp depending of the difficulty and if is Realism.

[@vratti2236]

@@Maxi-Gonz. 13,000? i think is 8000 but i could be wrong.

[@CrnaStrela]

@@vratti2236 8k is normal expert, expert realism would be 13k or so

[@joao34386]

@@CrnaStrela He has 8000 in Expert, Realism doesn’t change his HP, it just gives him damage resistance to guns.

[@catcreaturething2084]

3:13 bro I hate it when I'm getting jumped and my gas decides to suck itself back into the container

[@electrotricity]

Ah yes, Campaign Versus Versus

[@Aric_EPU]

I literally got this game day of release for Xbox 360 and I did not know until TODAY that these map changes happen.

[@jason20599]

same lmao. and i got 5k hours on this game

[@NinyaBOT]

1:00 the "versus" route can also be in campaign too! but that route only opens on campaign mode if you are low on health and bots / teammates. I remember this because on Waifurun's "every time I die, I add a bot" video, he points out he always gets that route and called someone a liar over it on accident LOL. Other parts of the maps have different layouts like the graveyard and what not too, to keep the game interesting in campaign mode. RNG type stuff, but yes I believe in Versus it's always the same layout.

[@steelwitness]

the take a break feature is still one of the coolest things ever in an online game

[@EMvolts154]

3:54 JoJo Reference

[@rhyanvalk7897]

Love these kinds of vids. Well really any left 4 dead vid from you gotta be hard to find something new to upload after like 15 years

[@OptimalDiffusion]

Some of these differences were just in how the game director sets up the level paths. Like in dead center either the long or short path will spawn in the hallways, and the barricades in different maps will spawn in or out between map reloads

[@CrocoDylianVT]

Actually the changes in the maps layouts are at random, it can be either way in either versus or campaign, and in the case of the graveyard in the parish it can be laid out in many different ways each time you play

[@AaronDonohoeRyan]

Can't believe they actually took out the bridge glitch in versus omg..

[@gabrielandy9272]

they should remove it on campaing tooo but the crybabys would complain cause they want bugs and exploits.

[@joao34386]

Oh no! You can’t cheat anymore! You can’t hold the lobby hostage anymore! Now you actually have to play the game properly! The horror!

[@yuhaye3986]

The tricks on Dark Carnival work in Versus for me, I do them all the time

[@holysnaildivinamori9695]

I kinda like the ideas they just change some parkour in versus so they won’t have the avantages of “I know this place by my heart” by “wait, those stair weren’t supposed to be there?”

[@Gruntilda-Winkybunion]

wow i havnt played campaign for years... nice video!

[@benzicol]

1:46 I thought this was also in campaign when the door breaks and lets the fire into the hallway, so that regular players take the intended path of going through the rooms and windows

[@marcoramirez6959]

Me da mucha nostalgia ver a HStop de nuevo

[@tpavka_3d]

7:20 Это так мило, танк радуется тому что попал камнем и по-сути убил человека е хуям:3

[@AdmiralsSenator8510]

1:18 is a rotten egg

[@UserRUSich-VAC]

4:02 Теперь я как Гордон Фримен😮

[@Niddez]

Campaign vs Versus: all the map and stages you showed us are still found in both gamemodes it really depends.

[@aaronvoxous7806]

Map changes are due to the director actually. I’ve seen most of those routes in Campaign. As for its consistency in versus I’m not sure since I don’t play it.

[@tgnm9615]

Never knew these differences before because I only play campaign lol

[@C.A._Old]

Now i learned thank you for this video. :-)

[@lnueveguigno9586]

where hunter can't jump without bending in combat mode, but he can in singleplayer

[@enrique16ish]

For those memes and jokes aside: The reason why Versus maps are open, is *to make the survivors more opening and aware of dangers of the special infected.* And also in Campaign some routes are random or blocked because to prevent the game much short, and even to make more for those who plays in expert or realistic.

[@NightSideProductionsYTCC]

Understand that some of these clips werent played on Normal Difficulty for Campaign mode. Only on Easy Difficulty do you not get interrupted for timed actions (Reviving teammates, filling gas, starting generators, though some may be exempt depending on maps/scripts) VS Map Generation is locked to the fastest path, though RARELY will you see it use the longer route, however certain maps will use RNG no matter what gamemode it is (Ex. Dark Carnival Chapter 4, Parish Chapter 3) Map RNG also applies to what Difficulty the match is on (VS is locked to Normal, even on Realism mode) (PERSONAL THOUGHT, PROBABLY NOT LEGIT, JUST FROM OBSERVATION) - I have almost 2k hours on Steam and have played each campaign numerous times in many different gamemodes.

[@V-XENO]

The paths part is actually on both, it's a random chance for any of both configurations. I played campaign and got both those paths to disable the alarm on the mall.

[@YukitheDummy]

The dead center paths are based on survivor health and performance, while the paths in versus are set randomly per match, not round, MATCH. Meaning one match its upstairs entrance, the next could be downstairs. The...stair elevator things can have the shortest path, or the longest path, or somewhere in between. Again, for campaign its health and performance, for versus its randomized per match. Not all map geometry changes are based on health or performance, some depend on rng, but most are health and performance related. Inventory not carrying over is to prevent cheating, to make it all fair, and make sure no more than 1 person gets a grenade launcher, or everyone starts with a molotov, or so that every round, everything is fair except maybe player skills.

[@aboveaveragebayleaf9216]

I'm pretty sure some of the pathing is just rng, not different between campaign or versus. I might be wrong on that though.

[@JoyFlakes]

I love your content, it's funny and it teaches me things I don't know about L4d2 I love you HS

[@chozentoguchi]

Lfd2 will forever stay goated 💯

[@AlmStGummyBear]

Did anyone else know you used to be able to combine explosive and fire bullets? I'm not sure if you can still, but when the update first came out you could.

[@codesnappy]

I'm pretty sure that has been fixed. It just overwrites your current ammunition type.

[@Shadow-jm9ei]

Theres a workshop mod that does that

[@tPlayerioT]

Yo thanks for the comparison, i was thinking about these diferences.

[@sd5712]

Regardless of comparisons, L4D and LFD2 were the best social engagments of youth, I was advised to download the L4D demo when it first released and it changed my life. I just absolutely love it

[@chgaming5059]

Campaign: the fun one Versus: the fck you you take the long way one

[@moegreene3630]

I watched like 3 l4d videos a few days ago and now this shit is literally every other video on my feed.

[@alexmorph1]

Раздел Paths. А разве различными путями не управляет режисёр? Можно же перезапускать карту и будут открыты либо закрыты разные пути. По крайней мере на выходе игры так было

[@HSTop]

Да, всё верно. В этом моменте мы опустили этот момент и показали то что точно есть в кампании и нет в версусе

[@arbi018]

its been years and i didnt know this until now

[@KenXd2]

4:03 half life references are the best

[@smuwug]

in the last stand update, on versus, u can't idle in the safe room forever anymore (door will open automatically). and so, gone are the days where if u were losing, u could dupe pistols in the safe room until the server lags too hard and fall apart

[@Ayemebottleoscrumpy]

well thats a good thing

[@joao34386]

That’s always been how it worked. The saferoom opens after 60s in Versus ever since the game was released. It’s not new.

[@smuwug]

@@joao34386 now that i think about it, it was that you could re close the saferoom door after opening it

[@ManFaceLEGEND]

Woah, What shaders did you use? Or you play on max graphics?

[@hirabrenski2133]

2:06,мои предположения что это либо вертолёт уже улетел и не пролетает,либо-же это действия до того как он пролетит.Я кстати тысячный комментатор,везде меня найдёте!

[@CrocoDylianVT]

Fun fact: in the hispanic community in versus we call campaign tank to those who get the tank but are so bad they end fumbling the tank