Can 4K be better than 8K? - LG OLED C9 vs Samsung QLED Q950R

Following the video where we discuss if it’s possible to see 8K with our eyes… we’re now wondering if 4K can actually look better than 8K… with surprising results!
Are we 8K ready? - • Are we 8K ready?
Obviously, the only fair way to test this is with a totally ‘blind’ test, where our judges don’t even know why we’re doing a test or what the differences between these flagship Smart TVs are.
LG OLED C9 vs Samsung QLED Q950R, both 65 inch screens, with our judges sitting the ideal 50 degrees away from the width of each TV.
**** ANSWERS TO COMMON QUESTIONS ****
Sorry for the impersonal response… after answering over 2K comments of basically the same five questions, I find I can’t keep up with re-writing the same answers! However, please don’t think your comment isn’t appreciated - it genuinely is!
1) All of the content from 9:15 onwards was native 8K on the QLED and native 4K on the OLED all downsampled from content originally captured at 12K
2) No, as stated in the video, the TVs were not professionally calibrated before the test. They were tested in their default ‘user’ settings as straight out of the box. The only change was to turn off motion interpolation on the QLED as this defaults to OFF on the OLED. (Plus we all hate the soap opera effect) Calibration does not effect Contrast Modulation, (especially with a black & white still chart)… which is the primary reason the guys couldn’t spot the 8K. Most users do not get their TVs professionally calibrated.
3) The size of screen is only relevant if you are going to view the TV very close up! What’s the visible difference between sitting 4 meters away from an 80 inch screen or 2 meters away from a 40 inch? There is none… the most important figure is pixel density per arc-minute. (ie. how far away you sit related to the width of screen). There are recommended charts for home cinema - we used the THX ones.
4) Many people seem to think you shouldn’t compare QLED with OLED… and I do understand why… but does that mean we can’t compare QLED with anything else - even just for resolution? I would like to perform the same test again with an 8K OLED and a 4K OLED… as soon as possible, but it might have to wait until the 8K OLEDs come down to less than the price of a small car! Now we know you can’t see the pixels on an 8K QLED, I don’t see the point in testing against a 4K QLED… the 4K can only be better! (I love the Q90R by the way)
5) Lots of people seem to think this video is just comparing picture quality between the two TVs… that wasn’t the intention, and in many ways, I regret not cutting everything from before Steve and Mark were trying to spot the 8K. To be fair, the guys said both TVs showed great pictures and it would be very difficult to tell them apart if they weren’t in the same room.
The point where this video changed course was when I realised the guys couldn’t spot the 8K… even close up! I was not expecting that, and the end of the video is my explanation of exactly how that can happen. The close up shots of each panel are with my own macro lens placed against the screen with the same magnification on both.
Useful links for an explanation of our reasoning:
RED Cameras 101 - www.red.com/re...
RED Cameras 101 - www.red.com/re...
Samsung ICDM - news.samsung.c...
*****
LG OLED65C9PLA
Samsung QLED65Q950RBT
Judges:
Steve Adams - www.go-media.co.uk
Mark Langton
Programmes watched:
The Crown - Sony Pictures Television / Netflix
Planet Earth II - BBC / Netflix
Above NYC clip (Filmed in 12K) - courtesy of Phil Holland - www.phfx.com
Gotham Film Works - • Above NYC - Filmed in 12K
Music:
'Omni' by Punch Deck - / punch-deck
'Andorpic' from Filmstro Pro - filmstro.com
DISCLAIMER:
This equipment was supplied to me by LG for testing. However, this review is completely independent and any opinions expressed are my own. There has been no payment for the content by outside persons or manufactures. As usual, I always reserve the right to say whatever I genuinely think about any product featured on extrashot.
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[@extrashot]

So many people have asked about having 8K content on the 8K screen it's clear I didn't explain it very well in the video, so just to confirm.... we played a mixture of native 4K content to both screens from Netflix and some native 8K content to the 8K screen from downloaded 8K and 12K originals. These were coded as H.265 and VP90 files and copied on to two USB sticks for playing to both screens simultaneously. Not all the 8K demos were used in the video for copyright reasons. Half of the blind test you see (from 9:15 onwards) was all native 8K content on the 8K and simultaneous native 4K on the 4K.

[@extrashot]

@vann tedd You seem to be confusing colour accuracy (bit depth) with resolution? I totally agree that higher resolution displays may have a use with still images, CGI, close up work, and even gaming monitors (if the frame rates are high enough)... but the whole point of the last two videos about 8K is that it's totally pointless for watching movies at normal viewing distances. There is no comparison with the move from HD to 4K because our eyes can resolve more detail than HD when looking at these screens. If you can't see the pixels at 4K... 8K won't look any better, even with water or reflections! You should watch my other video... kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJfUYo2ol5Z_aac

[@budthecyborg4575]

@@extrashot michaelbach.de/ot/lum-hyperacuity/index.html You can see pixel densities far higher than any current 8K display. The 60 Pixels Per Degree limitation is mostly a myth. It's true that consistent patterns of high density lines will blur out at 60 Pixels Per Degree, anyone can test it for themselves, but inconsistent low density detail is perceived very differently and you can perceive detail up to 10x more precisely when your photo-receptor system isn't overwhelmed. The long and the short of it is high contrast detail can use far more than 8K resolution at normal viewing distances, it's only very fine texture patterns that become imperceptible beyond 60 Pixels Per Degree.

[@xpodx]

But.. huge compression loss, and bitrate.. etc.. Accurate test would be raw 8k native content vs raw 4k content

[@xpodx]

@vann tedd disagree. Higher resolutions are always needed..

[@xpodx]

@vann tedd i agree.. i really wish movies would be recorded at 16k = 4x 8k red cameras and rendered at 8k and keep the file size and maybe make a 4k one for people that dont wannna spend more, but should also make one and put it on a ssd and be able to play the more orginal data for those who would want to watch it at 8k and higher quality

[@kuei12]

The biggest benefit of the 8K is that it will make the 4k price drop to a much more affordable range.

[@extrashot]

Ha... very true! 😀

[@wildwalkeruk]

Yeah cos £229 is just way to much for a 4K TV :)

[@zorglubz1606]

@@wildwalkeruk TV quality is much more important than resolution (4k). I would not buy a TV with crap components just for the sake of 4k.

[@CharlieQ7400]

@@wildwalkeruk when 200$ is the price for the 50" true smart tv fullhd here.

[@denodan]

4k is allready dead and going the way of 1080p which had a longer run than 4k did. Allready broadcasts starting in 8k with the 2020 Olympic games broadcast in 8k. The new Samsung s20 is 8k and can takes 8k movies. 8k is moving faster than 4k and all the tvs at ecs 20 all 8k. Samsung have dumped 4k as in another year all 8k. LG are accually screwed as they dont have an 8k tv to match the price point of the qled 4k will become cheaper

[@korrdxl]

"Should we call this one x and that one y?" Try "left" and "right".

[@lonelyboysole]

lmfaooo ikr x-y made it confusing for no reason

[@johnbruce4003]

The moral of the story is this. No matter if it's called 1080P, 4K or 8K, if you rely on a backlight, your tv will never look as good as an OLED.

[@MsThekiller02]

OLED looks absolutely great, but it has its flaws. It's not because LG or whoever makes them is bad at producing them. It's just the technology isn't ready yet. They "promise" you it won't suffer from burn-in or other problems, but the reality is that today OLEDs will eventually become worse and worse over the time, the colors will look washed out and, again, may suffer from burn-in. I'm planning to buy a Samsung QLED not because it looks better, but because it's a more reliable technology. Oh, did I mention that white reproduction in OLEDs looks absolutely rubbish

[@nick007bmwuberdriver9]

you could be correct..good news for oled ..they have Nvidia G sync for gamers..LG

[@krusenator123]

I still think OLEDS are overrated I think QLED easily looks better than OLED just cuz of peak brightness. To me the brighter the better. OLED just can't compete with brightness.

[@johnbruce4003]

Rattamatt396 To each their own I guess. I know people who think sound quality is #1 for a tv. You say peak brightness, some say color. For me it's black level, which explains that when the Pioneer Kuro came out in 2007 it stomped all over the competition. It's nearly impossible to believe that they put out a plasma tv in 2009 (their last) that still holds up over 10 years later to the best panels made.

[@adriang6321]

@@MsThekiller02 totally agree with you, Samsung has a longer life span than LG and their Qled is less prone to burn in or burn pixels than LG. I love that there are still competition on the market that helps to drive better quality. So much love for both Samsung and LG who have come a long way to bury such companies as Sony, Toshiba and the rest of manufacture.

[@soulfulmelody8954]

People watching 4k and 8k comparison on their HD screen:)

[@-silkman-3573]

yes, you appear to have missed the point

[@Lilljehook]

Impressive, LG actually paid for two high end TVs to a youtuber with less than 6k subscribers. Kudos to LG.

[@extrashot]

I was also surprised?.... they said it was because they watched my other 8K video...kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJfUYo2ol5Z_aac

[@robcole8711]

@@extrashot Not too big of a surprise from me, quality vids mate.

[@extrashot]

@@robcole8711 Thank you Rob... very kind 👍

[@man_vs_life]

How does this channel only have 12K subscribers? One of the easiest to watch YT presenters, professional look & feel and great content. Very well done sir!

[@extrashot]

For the life of me... I have no idea !!! ... (but I do appreciate your very kind comment... thank you sir!)

[@motherwelltim]

David attenborough of tv reviews

[@extrashot]

@@motherwelltim Not happy... I'm not a fan! 😂

[@m-sinan]

This is the most entertaining comparison video I ever watched. Thank you!

[@extrashot]

Thank you for the kind comment... it's appreciated!

[@sherry356]

Thanks for the review. I switched from Samsung QLED and got an LG CX 65'. Damn it's so beautiful. Mass Effect Legendary Edition is breathtaking with the space / stars scenes with each individual pixel self-lit or turned off, no blooming around subtitles etc. I'm pissed that I fell for Samsung's marketing, but better late than never. Dolby Vision and Dolby Atmos is also an awesome experience.

[@jhart0512]

I think 8K will need larger screen to take full advantage of the tech. i am also quite surprised that the testers were unable to tell a distinct difference up close. very professional and well done video. the close up of the pixels to show the contrast was astounding.

[@pieronekkk]

I hope one day we will see a screen so big that it will finally replace that poor old projector technology in movie theaters. I think it's already possible today with the microled modular technology. Perhaps than 8k or more will come in handy.

[@MikkoRantalainen]

For 7 ft viewing distance, you need about 200" screen for 8K to make any sense. Of course, not many are ready to pay to price for such a thing. And even if you had such a screen, you'd still have mostly 720p or 1080p content. Check out production details of new movies - for example, the Frozen 2 that was released around a month ago was 2K production. They don't have anything better to offer. However, if you look how successful it was, the chances are, others studios may end up doing mostly 2, too. (After saying that, Frozen 2 is a computer animation and as such, they can increase the resolution by re-rendering the whole movie in the future.)

[@mariussindingaskvik830]

This is one on the most refined, and informative videos I’ve seen in a long time. I ordered the LG C9 on Black Friday, and after this comparison video, I can’t wait to get it! Thanks a lot! You’ve got yourself a new subscriber :)

[@extrashot]

Thanks for the kind comment and the sub... really appreciated. Enjoy the C9... I'm sure you will, it's an amazing picture!

[@b0shica]

Started the video and found it a little bit strange at the beginning, stayed until the end and did not regret it: subbed! Great work and great way to mix the funny things with the serious ones!!!

[@extrashot]

Thank you... glad you stuck with it, and thanks for the kind comment!

[@obriets]

I’ve watched this twice now and I have to say that you and your friends made a really excellent and informative presentation. Total thumbs up.

[@extrashot]

Thank you for the very kind words... really appreciated!

[@correaeloy]

One of the best reviews I’ve ever seen. I’ve bought LG C9 and I’ve seen all videos there are on KZbin and this was the best video. When it comes I’m going to make a little review too. Not as good as this, but I will try to do something cause this tv is incredible.

[@extrashot]

Very kind of you to say so.... enjoy your C9 and let us know when your review is out. 👍

[@cia4gent128]

This video made me feel proud of my LG c9 tv 🥳🥳🥳

[@teravolts987]

Hands down the best review ive seen on youtube, true and natural experiments to give consumers real idea of what these screens are

[@extrashot]

Oh thank you, very kind of you to say so and it's really appreciated!

[@youtubevanced5019]

This is so nice content. Felt like I'm watching national geography documentary.

[@offilawnoone9020]

The trick is simple. There is no point in 8k LCDs because the limit is in “backlight resolution”. We need an OLED 8k display to see the difference.

[@extrashot]

... and yet, Samsung sell it as a flagship model?

[@ZorawarSohi]

I bought 65" C9 this summer, based solely on this brilliant video. Imagine my surprise when the CX dropped to the same price for Cyber Monday ☹️. Apparently not that large a difference between the two though so, no regrets

[@extrashot]

Just between you and I ... I much prefer the C9 to the CX. Certainly, in the UK, the specs don't seem as good on the CX. I think there were some licensing issues which meant a lot of the catch-up services were missing, and the picture didn't seem quite as good to my eyes... probably my imagination? I think the 65 inch C9 is still the sweet spot for me!!!

[@navid617]

You got the same if not a better TV and you got to enjoy it for a couple more months. That's a win win bud.

[@daviddurrani]

I've been watching reviews for many many years and have never seen one so well executed and as useful. You concentrate on what ultimately matters, the picture quality and I congratulate you on your methodology and the level at which you've pitched this review. I encourage you to expand to other technologies such as computer monitors, projectors etc.

[@SimonCobb]

I couldn't agree more. A very informative, unbiased and insightful review, with - for me at least - just the right level of geekiness :-).

[@extrashot]

Thank you, that very kind of you to say so... I might have to expend into other areas soon... my day job is slowly disappearing along with so many others!

[@extrashot]

Thanks Simon, very kind 👍

[@samgod]

Oh god damn. You Brits master the art of calm, measured understatement. I'm so proud of my LG C9! Your two buddies knew exactly what questions to ask and what to look for. Great comparison.

[@extrashot]

Thank you... very kind of you to say so... (understatement) !!!

[@tracyglennmurray]

That was an excellent demonstration and comparison. I am still happy with my LG 4K OLED, and I can use this video to explain exactly why it’s still the best bang for my buck. Thanks!

[@extrashot]

... and thank you for the kind comment!... it's appreciated

[@peterwieland4371]

Thank you for the great review! It helped me a lot to understand that at a 65 inch screen it doesn't make any difference if you have 4k or 8k, because even at 4k you can't see any pixels even at a distance of just a few inches...

[@extrashot]

You're welcome Peter... and you nailed the issue. You can't see it at any distance! 👍

[@maxo7792]

This channel is highly underrated.

[@ONLYSCAR]

True

[@extrashot]

I can only agree !!! 🤔

[@conyo985]

You are the David Attenborough of TV's. And that's a very interesting question in the end. If OLED has the best contrast modulation then an 8K OLED will surely be a game changer!

[@extrashot]

I don't know which way to take that!... (but thank you) still not sure we'd be able to spot 8K at normal (recommended) viewing distances? We need to do another test as soon as I can get one!

[@wylieecoyote]

Great job explaining and illustrating a complex topic. LG's confidence in you was well placed.

[@extrashot]

Thank you for the kind words.

[@CB-bi1be]

This is awesome . I wish I found you sooner . Beat tv review on you tube full stop. Just ordered a lg CX OLED this morning about 8 hours before seeing this vid. Makes me feel like I made the right purchase confirmed. Thanks mate

[@extrashot]

Thanks Chip. I haven't even seen the CX yet... specs look great. Hope you enjoy it!

[@evolv.e]

I purchased an LG C9 65” three weeks ago and am thrilled with its stunning picture quality. Couldn’t be happier 😍

[@extrashot]

That's great to hear... they are stunning!

[@d4heinz]

Well that's what I call quality content. You guys just come across as originals!

[@extrashot]

Thanks Chucky, very kind

[@chairmanmeow3693]

I'm not sure what an 8K OLED would look like on a screen, but I have an idea of what my checkbook would look like afterwards

[@extrashot]

Ha.... true! 😂

[@ayubchege254]

The way they were amused on how thin the oled tv was is just satisfying😃😃

[@extrashot]

Almost childlike... they need to get out more!

[@hamoodimystic]

One of the best video of comparing tvs. Great job

[@extrashot]

Wow, thanks!

[@evolv.e]

extrashot, thank you for going the extra mile in your comparison. You’ve earned a subscriber ✅

[@jjadey1752]

I just bought the 65 C9 and because of this video I'm 100% certain I made the correct decision and loved the blind test you just got yourself another sub. Nice work.

[@extrashot]

Thanks for the sub... hope you enjoy the C9... it's a great set. 👍

[@2011Savere]

8K is a scam. You’re not going to see anything any more clearer with these TV’s.

[@Easy416]

Did anyone else notice the dogs reaction at 5:48 😆

[@ghost-type]

It worked. I'm now subscribed to extrashot.

[@extrashot]

Thank you Albert... appreciated.

[@TypicallyUniqueOfficial]

8k is the worst upgrade push to televisions ever.

[@extrashot]

Especially if we can't see it? 👍

[@extrashot]

@ 😎😂

[@Bryce25400]

This video has helped me so much, I was so confused about 8K and 4K or whether I needed an 8K TV. Thank you so much, your explanation is really good. thumbs up.

[@extrashot]

Thank you.... glad it helped in some small way and thanks for the like.

[@llr5444]

This was brilliant. I also loved the way your presented the information and the fact that you used impartial judges as in contrast to yourself. Well done mate. You just made a subscriber out of me.

[@extrashot]

Thank you for the kind comment... and the sub is appreciated!

[@VirtualAirTour]

Me too! Just purchased a 77" LG CX and it is mind blowing.

[@extrashot]

@@VirtualAirTour Glad you like it... it is amazing.

[@DavenMathies]

This is honestly one of the most entertaining pieces of media I have consumed a long time.

[@hometheaterjoe9489]

It is a good video

[@hometheaterjoe9489]

Best comparison video I've ever seen

[@extrashot]

wow... praise indeed... too kind (but thank you)!

[@miinare.]

"How can it be that thin?" "That's witchcraft."

[@ffracersa]

As a Samsung QLED lover, I am thoroughly impressed by the LG OLED. It does look like better picture quality and if I had to put down my own money between the two.....I'll take the LG

[@extrashot]

To be fair... they both look like great TV's, and the guys did say it would be difficult to tell them apart if they weren't placed right next to each other, (ironically...the story of this video)... but I'm a big fan of the Q90R. 👍

[@semmert]

I have a OLED C7, and it is hands down the best tv I have EVER owned.

[@semmert]

I plan to get a 77 inch C9, but right now they're hovering right about $5k

[@Kaff231]

Awesome video comparing both TVs.. My favorite was the LG OLED because the color,contrast and overall picture just looked crisper.

[@kws4e]

These two guys are incredible to look at. Its so cool to see people that get excited at what they love

[@extrashot]

True... and the free lunch helped !!! 😂

[@iranmaia91]

The fact that they have difficulty to know what is 4k and 8k at the first time shows that something more than 4k is unnecessary.

[@extrashot]

True.... It mainly depends on the viewing distance and subject matter. The shock for me was when I realised they couldn't spot this 8K at any distance!

[@OnlyTwoShoes]

I could tell that the LG was better quality from this video alone. Contrast is key to sharpness. What's the point in having more resolution if you get light bleed between pixels.

[@sirobb]

After seeing the thickness of the LG, my own LG burst into tears, jumped off the wall and ran off to the gym.

[@extrashot]

Can't be that bad if it can jump off the wall... 😂

[@sirobb]

@@extrashot It's surprisingly nimble and dynamic considering its size. The TV equivalent of a female hammer thrower. 😊

[@HossLUK]

I spent a lot of time, almost a year, of going in and out of stores studying TVs and watching and reading reviews to make sure i was going to get exactly what i want for the money i will be spending. I ended up going with a 65inch lg c9. I definitely thought alot about getting an 8k but I'd have to get a much larger screen size to see the difference and that sharpness at that size wouldnt make up for the infinite contrast on the oled. The only thing i wish i would've done is get the sony a9g just to have the absolute best of the best, but without a doubt i am always impressed everytime i turn on my c9.

[@extrashot]

It is a hugely impressive picture... hope you continue to enjoy it, and thank you for the comment.👍

[@AmarAlgadi]

subscribed without any hesitation.. great review sir

[@extrashot]

Thank you sir... it's appreciated!

[@vtrmcs]

I have the C9 and it is mindblowing. I mean extremely good. Some issues have been reported but not experienced any thus far. For the price, it is a truly exceptional viewing experience. For any price, it is a superb experience. Once it's correctly set up, I think you'd be hard pressed to find a better screen, regardless of price. I have it wall mounted and watching things like Planet Earth II in 4k is just astonishing. Movies with motion smoothing off are superb too. The only tiny issue I find is with the OLED technology itself, but thats inherent. Overall, if you're upgrading from 1080p plasma as I was, you will not be disappointed. Even after 3 months, everything we watch feels like an event.

[@extrashot]

Love the fact that after 3 months you're still appreciating the effect !!!

[@kal1nas]

You are so pleasant to listen to, and your videos are so well made. You have earned a subscriber!

[@extrashot]

Thank you for saying so... and the sub, it's appreciated.

[@nfazal4065]

This is better than a comedy show

[@BbBb-hw5pq]

This guy is good . what an amazing commentary . Im not interested in TV technology but i found myself watching this from start to finish. He makes it so simple to understand to a point that even a tool will understand.

[@extrashot]

Too kind Bb Bb.... but appreciated... thank you!

[@ShaunR07]

That was very well explained this man could be mistaken for David Attenborough. So easy to follow and understand

[@extrashot]

Noooo.... not Attenbourgh again! How old do you think I am. 😂

[@AngelicRequiemX]

Awesome content, you just gained yourself a new subscriber. 👍

[@extrashot]

Wow, thank you... and your sub is appreciated. 👍

[@gardidelgado60]

QLED is the biggest marketing gimmick of this decade in the tv market.

[@guily6669]

In terms of the Q80, Q90 and the worse Q900 8K garbage I couldn't actually agree more, I have the same opinion, but for example the Q70 shows how much nice samsung have improved the LCD, it has one of the highest native contrast ratios for a LCD panel and still packs some nice color volume and for a dark room I'm sure it will be bright enough... Now the Q80 and Q90, they are purely to be used on bright rooms, Samsung totally ruined the native contrast and colors compared to last year models for just the crap new layer in front to improve viewing angles and made those TV's to have very poor contrast for a samsung LCD panel even compared to their low end ones and then they rely purely on local dimming to try to save the situation which on the Q80 at leasts works very badly with huge blooms and super gray big areas on even small loading screens on pure black games with just any small letter on it all goes to hell with a huge distracting bloom of light... In gaming with the Q80 on a dark room is very disappointing with very low depth perception with its poor native contrast and Q90 is probably the same since it has even a bit lower native contrast ratio though the local dimming is also much better but always causes more problems than making it good with blooms all over the place, but I never tried the Q90 for gaming so I have no idea how crap it is... Q80 and Q90 what they really have is high brightness and not much else and its also sad that samsung locked the nice HDR modes under gaming mode and leave a crap HDR setting for gaming which we can't change while LG and other brands let you change them under gaming mode and still always having low input lag and making massive difference to how the game looks... But then again Samsung is so stupid that they have a 120hz from Q60 55 inch to the Q90 and none have the HDMI 2.1 ports which LG OLED already have and that is a very future proof must have feature specially for Next gen consoles and the ones coming after as I'm sure not everyone will keep changing TV's after buying a expensive high end one unless they are rich and dont care...

[@tk112190]

I really appreciate your thoughtful tone and pacing when you speak. This really is a throwback to tech reviewers of the old days. Really appreciate you and am happy I stumbled across your channel tonight. You also look like an incredibly nice person and someone I can trust. Keep up the great work! +subscribe +like :)

[@extrashot]

Thank you for the sub and the kind words... it's appreciated!

[@HarvinderSingh-dg4us]

The David Attenborough of TV's.

[@extrashot]

It worries me how many people have said that! 😂

[@elischerseverus682]

Certainly limba vorbiti?

[@dreammachine5014]

And here we see the OLED screen in it's natural habitat stalking it's prey...

[@YOUSIF9292]

Nice review sir! .. your character and your voice.. I would love to hear stories from u 🙂! Keep it up.. 👍

[@extrashot]

Thank you for the kind words. appreciated 👍

[@tweeterpeaked2681]

4k- photo realism 8k- you enter into the display 10k- the display enters into you 20k- there never was a display

[@slymason4607]

Post Millennial 🤯

[@extrashot]

Maybe we're already living the display?

[@tweeterpeaked2681]

@@extrashot so it seems

[@Metalhead-4life]

Man the viewing angle on that oled! To answer the question "do we really need 8k" you would have to have an LG OLED 8K sitting next to the LG OLED 4K! Funny, I typed the above comment about halfway through the video. You summed it up in the last 5 seconds of the video.

[@extrashot]

True... and I'd really like to get an 8K and 4K OLED together asap. Just need them to be a little more available / affordable !!!

[@Steelringstrue]

Great comment!

[@florinG]

Qled will never come close to LG's oled.

Unless they manage to backlight every single pixel independently, that is what Samsung has announced to be working in. On the other hand, not everything is image sharpness. Color accuracy, absolute brightness and motion fluidity also matter.

[@madpistol]

The problem with OLED is that the pixels can only get so bright. The tech is already at its saturation point for brightness. LCD TVs do not have this issue, as their brightness is determined by the backlight. Therefore, LCD tech still has room to grow as dimming zones increase. I will agree that OLED, at the moment, is the better tech. In the future, though, it will more than likely be surpassed again.

[@todd.goslin6190]

Nope! But it's pretending to be. Notice how they try to make it seem similar by employing the letter "Q" which is oddly similar to the letter "O" in its description. Might as well start a Korean car company called BNW with the catch phrase "the penultimate driving machine".

[@denodan]

What till your OLED is 6 years old then see the difference when you tell us you have burn in or uneven screen pixal wear.

[@bigike1313]

Burn in sucks with LG. Won’t even cover under warranty.

[@iviaverick52]

Resolution is directly proportional to screen size. 8K would make sense on a 120" screen, but not a 50" screen at normal viewing distance.

[@extrashot]

What’s the difference in visible resolution between sitting 4 meters from a 120” screen or 2 meters from a 60” screen? It’s pixel density per degree of viewing angle that matters.

[@iviaverick52]

@@extrashotMy point exactly. If you didnt change your seating position, that's when you would notice the difference in resolution. Which would be impractical with the larger screen.

[@extrashot]

@@iviaverick52 True... but loads of people don't see it that way? Maybe they can't see the edges of the screen without moving their heads 😂

[@Ruutu321]

I do think we've hit that wall where beyond 4k you have seriously diminishing returns. Now of course if youre rich and can afford say an 85" tv theres going to be a difference, but is the mainstream entertainment industry going to cater to those few people? Id like to see us not bother beyond 4k and instead focus on improving picture quality in other ways as much as we can.

[@extrashot]

Totally agree.... definitely demising returns... but this is being driven by people selling TVs, not the entertainment industry. There's stuff like true HDR and downsampling that's much more useful for improving picture quality..

[@Dave23547]

Isn't this the exact same comment that was made about 4K, when it was initially introduced? Why does every one want to prevent progress? I say, let's keep moving forward.

[@extrashot]

@@Dave23547 Even at normal TV viewing distances... I can definitely see the difference between HD and 4K. The problem is... what sort of process are you getting if it's impossible to see it? You're moving a lot of data around for no good reason, especially as this progress is often at the cost of other improvements you could make to the display... like refresh time etc. When do you think we should stop... 32K, 64K ?

[@garethlloyd1445]

I agree. Going 8k is like putting on go faster stripes. The tv industry is seriously running out of ideas. (tv's went silver once) They have become to need to be selling TV to each consumer earlier so instead of our tv's lasting 10years or more like they used to do in the crtv days, they want us to be buying a new TV every 5 years or even less. Trying to change the technology to give reasons why we need a new upgrade when we don't, they are not mobile phones. Forget extra resolution we can't see, try and give us a smooth picture as a crtv has better motion flow than any lcd/led or oled. I think it was digital foundry that got our latest games and ran than through an old Sony crtv and the motion was way clearer than a top oled. Sort that out manufacturers

[@1lynton128]

Yes. Wow. I have to comment. An exceptional video. It's the first "extrashot" video I've seen, so you can call me late to the party, but now I'm going to binge-watch the channel. I'd like to call your experiment a "double-blind" because it was doubly good having two articulate experts participate and add real value through their comments. And that made this double-blind possibly "the. best. ever." - top quality participants and top presentation. Also your voice had me hanging on every word. A very special voice. I've watched thousands of videos: camerawork, production, editing, this one is 10/10.

[@extrashot]

Wow... thank you so much for the kind comments. Means a lot and welcome to the party!

[@MIN_Tech]

This video is really awesome from South Korea. I just subscribed your channel now!! Expecting another video too!!

[@extrashot]

Thank you.. it's appreciated! Stay safe.

[@greatmusicgoodfeel826]

great video. Honestly great REAL review. Good job. New subscriber

[@extrashot]

Thank you... very kind of you to say so... and your sub is appreciated. 👍

[@babylonbaby3462]

Nothing like some good ole education. Once you can understand how things work, as an consumer, you can make a more conscious purchase to fit your needs for a panel. Great job!

[@extrashot]

Thank you.... and very true. 👍

[@RudraNaruto]

Thank you for this explanation. I like the way that you speak. It's really satisfying to hear. I subscribed. Thank you!

[@extrashot]

Cheers for the sub Rudra... it's appreciated!

[@BoneyMonkey1]

I went to Best Buy and bought the QLED and tried it out for a night. I didn't feel like it was a huge improvement. Next morning i took it back and bought the B9 OLED and it was such a big improvement and worth the price. I'm loving it.

[@extrashot]

Was that the 8K QLED? I'm glad your eyes match what we found... there's a lot of people on here who won't believe it !!! Happy you're enjoying the B9 - great TV 👍

[@bliglum]

What a delightfully unbiased and honest review. Thank you.

[@extrashot]

...and thank you for the lovely comment. It's appreciated!

[@TheNewGreenIsBlue]

I HATE the QLED marketing crap. QLED is JUST LED!!! Samsung doesn't want to pay LG for OLED patents so just try to fool the consumer into thinking QLED can be compared to OLED.

[@extrashot]

Must admit... just the QLED name looks to me like it's designed to mislead the uninformed in a showroom !!! 😂

[@eflaaten]

Sources?

[@graphenepetal733]

Samsung doesn't need to buy OLED form LG they have their own OLED technology!

[@briand8002]

I just got a 4K Samsung 65” and the colors I saw were amazing! Unbelievable picture for tv, movies, and, gaming!

[@extrashot]

Enjoy... they are great pictures!

[@northislandnow8858]

You saved many people lots of money today! Thank you for producing this.

[@extrashot]

Glad to hear... thank you.

[@batcaver]

It's all about making money !! in a few months the question will be "are we ready for 16K ?" i have a Sony 4K tv and I will keep it at least the next decade no matter what will be on the market ...

[@extrashot]

True. 😂

[@stephencurah1059]

I watched a BBC story a few yrs ago. They went to sharp headquarters in Japan where they were testing 8k. According to the techs at sharp 8k is as far as our eyes would be able to see. If you go beyond 8k we wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

[@extrashot]

@@stephencurah1059 Interesting.... and Sharp are pushing 8K cameras hard now. 👍

[@guily6669]

@@stephencurah1059 , that's kinda pointless, 1st our eyes don't see in pixels... then the pixels only matter depending on size to viewing distance... Sure in most cases 8K won't even matter much compared to 4K, but for people with very low distance and wanting to buy a big ass TV, then 8K will make a difference, it all depends on the same variables resolution, distance and size... But one thing having more resolution could always help is maybe in colors since like in the same exact size of TV and same exact viewing distance even if it was at a distance where you could not spot any difference between the 8K and 4K in terms of definition\sharpness, sure the more pixel count and more data per picture might have other advantages in colors and other stuff since it also have lot more data in the same size to produce more color variations and so on even though it would probably be hard to spot from a high distance the subtle extra data :)... And talking about other application for example VR and AR, I'm sure a good 8K oled panel would look massively better than the same panel at 4K since it's close to the eyes and with lenses and all that kind of crap it really needs a very high resolution, so it all depends like I said on viewing distance, resolution and size ALWAYS and off course it always gets to a distance where 720P or 8 K won't even matter anymore as if you are way too far away you won't even see any difference at all, but then that is way outside the ideal viewing distance off course lol...

[@drdj69]

a QLED will never match the blacks/contrast/depth of the OLED . LG wins for me.

[@lightboy000]

There are new prototypes where LCD can have nice blacks however the production is too expansive. MicroLEDs is the next go

[@guily6669]

@@lightboy000 Microleds are also WAY expensive and I don't think will happen very soon, according to a roadmap microled for the masses is mostly aimed for 2025-2026 and even then I don't think they will be any cheap... For now who's winning in LCD is probably TCL series 8 which is still a very expensive TV with more than 25 thousand mini leds and while in some pictures it can be almost exactly like OLED, in some it still have the same exact bloom problems as other high end LCD's which OLED never have and then when it comes to gaming, the OLED is almost basically a CRT in terms of pixel response time so the motion is far ahead any LCD... Microled is surely the future, but don't expect it to happen so soon other than maybe for AR\VR\projectors since chinese companies like JBD already shown a few years ago 1 million nits Red, Blue or Green microled displays with crazy high resolutions but in a very small size and they are made basically almost like a CPU with silicon that comes in the waffles, so the way they do their crazy super high tech is also not for TV's :(... Anyway for a UHD 4K TV it needs 8,294,400 micro RGB leds and that crazy number of leds on a TV + the hardware to drive and control so many leds I don't think will get to affordable prices so soon if ever as it will most likely be kept always for high end unless they make just a basic microled TV for lower end with like very low brightness cheap leds and much less power requirements but even then that is in a distant future... Samsung first microled Wall TV was basically the price of a house... Can't wait to see what will be the price of their upcoming 75 inch microled TV even though I could only afford a few pixels out of it lol... PS: Now being realistic the next step for LCD will probably most brands keep moving to minileds and outside LCD will be inkjet printed OLEDs and just better OLEDs overall and more OLED manufacturers than LG, then will be samsung QD-OLED and only quite a bit after will be microled...

[@denodan]

If your a gamer the qled is the best gaming tv practically out there as Samsung have a lot of gaming options and even seen. Dont know what res but the q900r will go up to 120hz mode. Also freesync to match frames rates to console, etc and of course no burn in issues

[@blacklyfe5543]

Cause qled is brighter

[@librarycollection3795]

I don't remember when I had so much FUN watching a tech video. Their reactions are priceless! The overall video was beautifully made and presented.

[@extrashot]

Thank you.

[@lunaclipsemedia3760]

This man here got a serious subscriber hey!!!! it was like watching a movie, the way he speaks, the way he edits ,literally everything!!!! i cant wait to like and watch all your other videos sir. I'm extremely impressed....

[@extrashot]

Wow... my heads going to grow and I'm definitely not worthy.... but thank you for the kind comments, it's really appreciated.

[@badr20249]

I have LG OLED 55 incredible Fantastic Thanks LG

[@rccity835]

You sir have mastered "the art of public speaking" Good luck on your KZbin career

[@extrashot]

Too kind.... but thank you.

[@Enam101]

Yeah, cent % agreed :)

[@Leonardinho097]

I discovered this wonderful channel last december and I come back to this video sometimes to explain my friends what is the contrast modulation and how important it is

[@extrashot]

Thank you... and always pleased to see you back!

[@revlimbi]

I love your vid, inspired me to get the LG C9 and it's a beast of a TV. Thank You

[@extrashot]

You're welcome... and I do hope you enjoy it!

[@genxtechguy]

To me I think of HD, 4K, and 8K resolutions in terms of size and viewing distance. As bigger TVs became the norm, 4K became necessary for 65 / 75 / 80 +inch TVs. You can only stretch HD so far before you lose detail at certain viewing distances. To me 8K may be more appropriate for TVs 85” and above, but it’s also dependent on how far you sit from it on whether you can perceive certain levels of detail. Generally the bigger the TV the more resolution necessary to retain a certain level of detail.

[@extrashot]

True... but then the whole point I was making in the original video was that it's generally accepted (by smarter people than me) that the ideal viewing distance to any screen is one that gives you a 50 degree angle to the width of that screen. Apparently, this distance will give that optimum cinematic experience we all crave, and most cinemas place the centre of the seating at around this point. It shouldn't matter how big the screen is unless you are going to sit closer than the 50 degrees. My big shock was when the judges couldn't tell which screen was 8K even with their eyes pressed right up close!

[@watershipdown]

This is how all tv reviews should be done. Subscribed!

[@extrashot]

Thank you for the comment and sub... it's really appreciated. 👍

[@idyllsend6481]

I loved the blind comparison!

[@WanderingFriar]

Unbelievable video! Just the kind of review I have been looking for. Agonising for months on OLED 65" and considered 8K but It will be the 4K for me now.

[@extrashot]

Thank you, glad it helped. 65" 4K OLED is a stunning picture! Way too early for 8K... and it'll be years before there's much content anyway.

[@srgk4430]

Unless you're really into watching 20+ megapixel photos from the distance of less than 1 meter from the screen, you don't really need 8K resolution.

[@WanderingFriar]

@@extrashot Well, it has been 2 weeks since delivery and installation of my OLED65GXLA. I am glad I went the extra over the CX in terms of the slim form factor. I even wall-mounted it myself and it is great. It fits so flush to the wall. The performance is amazing (especially those blacks you mention!) and I have taken to re-watching old classics as they really come alive whatever the distance we were wathing the screen at. The ARC/eARC connection works seamlessly with my Denon home cinema and was pretty simple. One HDMI cable and that was it. Great piece of technology. Glad i found this full and informative review. Thank you! Please keep up the good work.

[@extrashot]

@@WanderingFriar Thanks for letting us know... I'm glad it's working well for you. Very jealous of the GX... pricy, but well worth it if you're wall mounting! Enjoy.

[@mr.quantum4543]

This is by for the most underrated subscribed channel I've ever seen. Pure quality! You've definitely earned a subscription from me sir

[@extrashot]

Thanks very kind of you to say so... and the sub is appreciated... thank you!

[@fingersorsini1]

Ditto...I just subscribed for the same reason

[@ayoubfaisal]

This video would defiantly help people to understand the whole story about the amazing OLED.

[@Tigerex966]

must have true 8k content to see the difference between 8k and 4k

[@extrashot]

We did?

[@TechRyze]

@@extrashot Barely, tbh. 8K needs its own 'The Dark Knight', or 'Avatar' - just as 1080p and 3D had, in order to really show off the format. Some test footage from 'somewhere', on the 1st Samsung 8K set, doesn't really count in 2019. Sorry! Nice video, though!

[@SouthPlanObservation]

2015 I went OLed...never going back.

[@extrashot]

@WD Fourty Did you see the bit about 2015 ???

[@artytomparis]

I'm subscribed, just because you sound and think so rationally. Rare these days.

[@extrashot]

Thank you... very kind of you to comment, and the sub! 👍

[@stuartsinclair6269]

I saw a TV which left my mouth open and my eyes well polished, I'm fussy too about picture quality, this TV was a full 4k, but still there's still not enough 4k broadcasts, and possibly no 8k transmissions in the UK... Very good video clearly explained. Thank you.

[@extrashot]

Thank you for the comment Stuart. I think compression techniques will have to get a lot better before we see much in the way of 8K TX.

[@kayser91]

Amazing video, loved the reference to the wife being anoyed, that made me laugh really hard, and ending on "what an 8K oled would look like ..." perfect ^^

[@extrashot]

Thank you for the kind words... it's appreciated!

[@kanalord4134]

Great video, this video won my subscription.

[@extrashot]

Thank you... for the comment and the sub, it's appreciated!

[@Daily_dose_of_Quran_shorts]

LG OLED is overall the best choice

[@Markus-xm4zv]

Im a samsung fan but i love my new LG OledC8LLA. Specially in Films with dark scenes as Hostiles or Interstellar its superb. The HDR is magnificent

[@extrashot]

The true blacks are amazing... and it tricks your eye into thinking there's no noise in the picture at all !!!

[@john_j4759]

The fact that they took this long to make a distinction makes it even more clear that 8k is basically useless at this point.

[@extrashot]

At normal viewing distances at home... yes, I think I agree. 👍

[@arifeens]

Damn! A comparison video worth watching. I think you should do regular product comparison videos with these two opinion guys. They were fabulous! Great job!

[@extrashot]

Thank you... and I'd certainly like to. (I wouldn't tell them they're fabulous thought!) 😂

[@BlackMozes]

Love your demeanor and video. Subbed!! Watched on my Panasonic Viera TX-P55VT50. Despite having a 4k oled downstairs, I still can appreciate the quality of my Panasonic plasma

[@extrashot]

Thanks for the sub.... You're not the first on here to say how much they still enjoy the Panasonic plasma's.... that was an exceptional tech that still stands up well to inspection 👍

[@kilic20]

Plasma guy here too!!! Panasonic PZ85E! Bought it in 2008 and still can't believe how great the picture looks!!!

[@irfanshaikh-ql3tr]

Surely LG 4k OLED was the winner.