Can A Bone Stock 302 Make 500 Hp On A Budget? Turbo Fox Body Mustang

[@RDub79]

I ran a similar combo back in 2008. Stock motor, headstuds, 42lb inj, 255 pump, 60mm turbo, Air/Air, meth injection, Pro-M blow thru 3" tube MAF, 22° timing, NO TUNE. Never had it on a dyno, but it went 6.90s in the 1/8 @ 101 3200lbs thru a AOD trans. Fun and simple combo.

[@alanmusa7143]

was it reliable?

[@kcazrellim196]

@@alanmusa7143mine was. I had a very similar setup around the same time. Swap 60mm for 73mm. Car made 450/550. Ate t5 transmissions and spec clutches annually.

[@boostjunkieMike]

Very impressive. This gives alot of us hope. Especially on a budget. Keep em coming. Thanks for being so inspirational and motivating to get the builds done.

[@tonycervz89]

Rather break a 302 block than ls swap a ford

[@damiancruz9446]

lol I had my coupe for 5 years and been doing small things to prepare for a beefed up motor . I was leaning ls3 But. At the moment I’m feeling rebuilding the block and supercharge or turbo

[@ValyriaSnow]

@@damiancruz9446I’m going 351w for my 93 convertible. Nice top end kit with that I should be hovering over 500 whp

[@paulhudgins5120]

Your right at the limits but not dangerous to engine damage, it doesn't seem stressed at all, nothing but full sends to see what it will do. Love this stuff, thanks for sharing.

[@aaronespinoza1630]

That's impressive man! I took mine a few days ago only made 298hp and 365tq . Tuner said i needed a better fuel system. Im running stock lines and rails with 47# injectors and i think a 255 pump. Was kinda disappointed tbh

[@89gtsmoke]

NICE! That little V8 can crank it out man! Appreciate the detail man!

[@lanceam24]

I thought you were tinkering with pops car again lol. Project hot wheels always gives me motivation to keep going with my car. Good job

[@Neomustangs]

You can do it! and ya we got plans with dads car driveline!

[@pimpovic2]

Still my favorite car on the channel. Just love the color and overall build.

[@daviddixon3567]

Man that's VERY IMPERISSIVE!!!!

[@aaronliddell4280]

I make 555 to the wheels with an otherwise stock Explorer engine, on3 @ 11lbs and good supporting mods. 👍

[@Neomustangs]

Very nice! i FREAKIN love budget builds... i get so caught up in other stuff gotta watch old stuff

[@Spad68]

Were the heads done ? Did you have a cam ? Best we got was between 480 to 496 wheel at 13 lbs . That good bit over 500 motor

[@pimpovic2]

"Supporting mods" can mean a lot of things. HCI, exhaust, fuel pump, injectors, throttle body, e.t.c. Usually a pretty decent build sheet to make that power number at only 11 lbs. I make 570 WHP at 12 lbs and I have a lot of upgraded parts.

[@Neomustangs]

@@pimpovic2 it meant head studs and valve springs .. injectors for turbo fuel.

[@Neomustangs]

@@Spad68 no

[@FORDMAT77]

That's great for a run around Fox and still have a little fun when you drop the throttle .. Happy Thanksgiving Dan to you and yours sir!

[@Neomustangs]

Happy holidays!

[@MarkCarr331]

@@Neomustangs dam good to know! I'm going to get one into my built 331

[@jhenson5168]

Cool stuff. What was the cost and what could I leave out to get 330hp for a fun daily

[@blacksheepautoworx5304]

Nice, the torque is brutal on those heads, actually all the budget headers I have cleared the p’s got some on my 81 swapped rx7, 86 block, .30 over 4 eye brow pistons stock replacement, trick flow stage 1, and a edel perf. Dual plane runs clean not crazy quick but it’s fun. The other p’s are for basically same set up- but turbo for my 85 gsl-se swap with a mega squirt both t-5 cars turbo kit is an cx racing kit I bought and modified a few things still getting it together

[@cyclonekevin6199]

That will give some coyotes a run for their money. Great job.

[@Neomustangs]

Sure would. I might "reload" and narrate the track videos from this build. Never went much further.

[@Samuel.Lee.Nixon94]

Ayy, I'm in bula as well. You should let me pick your brain on my 302 for a minute 😅

[@tobyallen2437]

Great vid as always real is real

[@stevenhowell8294]

What injector, what mass air,what ignition box,what wastegate and bov. Very nice build. Very impressive

[@stevenhowell8294]

Also have you ever advance camshaft 4 degrees to see if it gives more power?

[@eriv4735]

Advancing the cam 4* doesn’t “add” any power it just lets you use the power that is already available earlier in the rpm range..with stock untouched e7 heads I usually advance the stock cam 4* because those heads don’t make any power passed 5300 and there is no need to make it scream..also Dan is running 42lb injectors with stock ignition..I know he modifies his kits to accept larger wastegates but I’m pretty sure it’s a 50mm and a 44mm bov

[@baconcreek609]

I bet that's fun to drive.

[@ScottBroder7]

Would this be a reliable build for a convertible 89 5.0?

[@austintillman8297]

How much does a budget turbo build cost? I'm thinking of doing the same to a 1988 Lincoln

[@greapsoho]

Hey Brother cool build. I'm out in Lorain county, on the other side of the city. I imagine you take it out to Thompson, but you ever head to Dragway 42 or Summit?

[@Neomustangs]

This car left the channel years ago. But yes we go to Thompson. It’s now called Kuhnle

[@michaelwilliams434]

So I'm looking around 350 to 400 on motor on my 95 gt and got a lot of ideas in mind what would you recommend tho I do plan on using nitrous but want to get the most out of my all motor setup to use a smaller nitrous shot to hit my 450hp goal.

[@jakejohnson3523]

Always love your content

[@Neomustangs]

Ty

[@excelsior2433]

Tell us more about that tbird

[@blacksheepautoworx5304]

I have 2 pairs of e6 heads, not great heads i know but 1 set is completely rebuilt and going dirt poor budget on this one. Stock block and ring gap, have you seen anyone put boost to these? and do you have any idea on valve springs i can use with no machining? Channel is great love the content thanks

[@brianwenzel8791]

Honestly, the E6 heads get a bad rep, & in my opinion, they are actually way better than others would say. I've had great luck with them, most importantly, learn how to port heads & they'll do you good. Unshroud the intake valves in combustion chamber, minimize the short turn radius in both intake & exhaust, open up the external (header area) exhaust ports by a lot, same as E7's & get good valve springs.👍✌🇺🇸

[@blacksheepautoworx5304]

@@brianwenzel8791 thanks for the reply, gonna use those e6 heads for sure ported one already, but….. I did find a rebuilt set of Gt40p ‘s at a cylinder head shop guy had them there for a good while. Let them go for 200 bucks I said sold brotha. Just needed truck flow springs and grind out humps. I do wanna boost the e6 and see what it does. When I buy my dyno I will make a video for that.

[@brianwenzel8791]

Right On. I prefer the Gt40 heads over the Gt40P's The same basic design, but the P's are problematic for header fitment. The spark plugs are at a weird angle. Very difficult to find headers that fit. I actually used the 1986 E6's on my Fox, because of the P's header fit issue. The heavily ported E6's, stock valves, 160 lb. Springs, 1.6 rockers, arp rod bolts & head studs & mls head gaskets, 9.1 compression. 220°x 512 lift cam. Single 66mm turbo, 12psi. 30 tho ring gap, 18°timing, AOD/shift kit, 2200 stall. 3.73 rear. 421rwhp @ 5600, 486 ft lbs @ 3300. So E6's can get it done.👍😁🇺🇸

[@91gtsaul11]

Damn bro project hot wheels is 😍😍

[@Neomustangs]

Old build I did on a shoe string budget !

[@91gtsaul11]

@@Neomustangs I watched it all lol

[@richlong4119]

Happy thanksgiving from Maine

[@Neomustangs]

Same to you!

[@lamarrichardson1782]

Awesome man

[@Neomustangs]

Thanks!

[@MarkCarr331]

Do you run Girdles to keep the block from splitting? I keep hearing of these and want to know more from you on this

[@Neomustangs]

eh... i do ONLY because i dont want the rods flying out of the block and me running them over. Its more of a SAFETY thing really. PLUS it will save some of your other parts and keep it together during the carnage! On top of helping keep the motor together

[@RDub79]

@@Neomustangs Please explain how a girdle will keep the rods from coming out.

[@Neomustangs]

@@RDub79 You understand how a girdle works right?

[@RDub79]

@@Neomustangs Yes. It ties the main caps together. It doesn't do anything to strengthen the rods.

[@Neomustangs]

Sure it also keeps the parts from flying apart in case of a break …..

[@fnordlikeakgaming]

When running maf would you recommend switching your maf to the injector size or is that something you can adjust through the tune?

[@Neomustangs]

Tune

[@headhoncho4890]

What shade of blue is that ? It’s dope

[@Neomustangs]

Sonic blue.

[@Nitro-fu7rv]

Okay I may be missing some info about the car but is this car speed density or blow through maf?

[@Neomustangs]

Maf turbo

[@mji387]

Nice 👍🏻

[@michaelwilliams434]

So can I expect the same numbers out my pushrod sn-95. Whith close to the same build setup?

[@Neomustangs]

Pending the tune sure.

[@nickkuest6651]

What do you use for fuel pump,injectors and spark plugs?

[@Neomustangs]

Wire mod that video is in my playlists

[@zackpell7229]

Serious question, if u rebuilt the motor, why didn’t u use a stroker kit? Or at least a performance cam and heads? I’m planning on upgrading everything but is stock better? Or just cheaper

[@Neomustangs]

You missed the point of the build. It’s all done with stock parts. Of course minus turbo

[@DaveScottADV]

Kind of a waste as the stock block is the weak link here. No point in sticking expensive parts in a block that will be at risk of splitting in half.

[@treboy95]

@@DaveScottADVmissed the point as well

[@DaveScottADV]

@@treboy95 which point is that?

[@blacksheepautoworx5304]

its a BUDGET build tittle implies that

[@parkersgarage4216]

I dont mean to pry but i noticed a comment about erie pa. Im in erie pa myself and looking into picking up something.

[@zebradrz]

Did you gap the rings? If so, what is your gap now?

[@Neomustangs]

24

[@sierrawarner4110]

thats clean reminds me of the one that got built in erie pa painted the same and everything...... isnt that like 45 min from you?

[@parkersgarage4216]

Hey I'm in erie pa lol

[@scottiewhitehorn8678]

Did you buy the car back

[@Texas_Road_Warrior]

How much timing are you guys running at 14psi?

[@Neomustangs]

16

[@s123fro]

What rings did you use when you rebuilt it?

[@Neomustangs]

Total Seal +.005

[@jordanking830]

So should I buy a intake??? Or just send it

[@Neomustangs]

Depends on your goals!

[@banditshane6706]

What chip are you using and can any tuner tune it, what size injectors also

[@Neomustangs]

Moates QUarterhorse w/ binary editor. Probably not. These were 42 # injectors

[@banditshane6706]

@@Neomustangs what’s a legit sit I can order this from or what’s another some what cheap alternative

[@claytonsmall2486]

what mpg are you getting?

[@hopeandrelax]

At the start the video when you were driving the car the humming or whining sounds is normal ?

[@Neomustangs]

Nope that’s my t5 I put together with iffy parts. Still ran hard to date. Lol 2 years later

[@hopeandrelax]

My fox makes that sound as well but it’s a little louder sounds like the Tumblr from Batman dark night

[@Neomustangs]

@@hopeandrelax probably needs new fluid

[@ogsuperflygarage]

Project Hot Wheels is a BEAST...

[@ThaSilentOne420]

0:47 rearend whine ?

[@Neomustangs]

Driveline growl. Too low rpm vs gear it’s in

[@banditshane6706]

What does flipping the pistons do also

[@Neomustangs]

Good for a few more horses in the boosted block.

[@aydenponto8808]

How much power can the stock block hold

[@Neomustangs]

Tbh as much as you can tune safely

[@aydenponto8808]

@@Neomustangs what are some examples of when it get unsafe in tuning for the stock block and internals thanks

[@Bassknots]

Ya supercharge .

[@Neomustangs]

Turbo

[@turboman351w3]

did you gap the rings for boost

[@Neomustangs]

24/26

[@davidsimmons177]

Is it still holding up?

[@Neomustangs]

Yep

[@davidsimmons177]

@@Neomustangs awesome! I always hear bad things about too much power on 302 so always nervous to boost mine

[@jonyovanno4145]

Where in Ohio are you located?

[@rileysharbono4548]

Can this be achievable with speed density?

[@Neomustangs]

Not factory SD no

[@rileysharbono4548]

@@Neomustangs Would it just need a tune or what exactly would I need to replace?

[@dylanbrunner4085]

When you get your On3 kits. Do you get anything special like the upgraded bearings in the turbo etc.? I figured a Holley sniper instead of a blow through carb, with E85 and On3 would be a solid set-up.

[@brandinbrown4445]

Have they updated the super sniper units to where you can run e85 through them now?

[@derrickhibbs9201]

My buddy did one in Canada 🇨🇦 650 hp but crack the block to much I think 500 to 525 all day anyday with 18 pounds

[@hopeandrelax]

What head gaskets? Do you use

[@Neomustangs]

Felpro 9333 PT1

[@hopeandrelax]

@@Neomustangs thank you for your help in advance what injector size and the rocker arms 1.72 stock push rods work ?

[@eriv4735]

He is using 42lb injectors and the stock pushrods are just fine with 1.72 rockers

[@jpp9846]

Did that dude you sold Hot Wheels to, keep it?

[@Neomustangs]

I don’t think so.

[@surreallife777]

495 hp is not a lot on a stock block? What does that translate to converted to the engine? Are you saying you’re running a stock crank, stock block, stock pistons? I thought the max for a stock block before it started cracking it was around 550 hp at the engine? Sorry for your loss.

[@hkpoweralajmi5170]

Hi I need that tune file please

[@Neomustangs]

Sorry you’d have to bring the car here. We don’t remote

[@hkpoweralajmi5170]

@@Neomustangs I am form out of state I am form kuwait

[@anthonycortinas30]

I just bought the moats quarterhorse I do not have anybody around me to help tune it does anybody know where I could get some help I am in Boise Idaho.

[@kevinhamer6053]

Look up leech motorsports

[@anthonycortinas30]

Thank you

[@kevinbaird8639]

All I care about now is the t bird in the back

[@kevinragsdale6256]

I was always told 302 and 351 blocks split in half at 500hp and more

[@Neomustangs]

U were told wrong

[@kevinragsdale6256]

@@Neomustangs it was people that never got near that power level that always told me that too. NA cars making 350hp at best. I just really got into all this myself, so idk.

[@Jim_Lawrence]

302 blocks can split, but it's not 1 factor like "500hp" 351 blocks are damn strong.

[@markweber7275]

Dan f

[@derrickhibbs9201]

With your weight betting shit Modera lawn real quick Kelsey A thousand pounds lighter than the new one that’s the s550 or what ever they are lighter

[@eddylorenzo5033]

Older block 90s won't hold

[@Neomustangs]

It’ll be just fine ….