Can a Dwarf outrun a Horse?

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[@jeffreysanders612]

"Us dwarves are natural sprinters, very dangerous over short distanceses"

[@NotTheAbhi]

First thing that came to my mind

[@Assassinss77]

came to say that

[@RicwiBanor]

Beat me to it

[@ChaenD3rpCompany]

Totally expected to find this comment. I was not disappointed.

[@tombkings6279]

Haha

[@cathulionetharn5139]

meanwhile reiksguard with 66 speed crawling across the battlefield

[@wile123456]

Still faster than Malus and his shit-ass cold one mount, Spite

[@GeraltofRivia22]

I hate how slow they, so annoying to try and use them.

[@slinkerdeer]

@@GeraltofRivia22 A full grown man, full plate armor, lance sword and shield will slow down any horse

[@ha-kx9we]

@@slinkerdeer laughs in bretonnia

[@TheHalcyonTwilight]

@@slinkerdeer Not really. A War Horse is a beast that could achieve pretty high speeds during combat. The whole point of a lance is that you need to be going fast for it to really hit hard, and the whole point of cavalry is to be able to move quickly to flank the enemy. You should see the kinds of horses they used for historical knights.

[@Milos_Stojanovic345]

Imagine if reload speed stacked infinitely, you could make a regiment of AK-47 armed dwarfs.

[@EgenSayak]

Dwarflings guns!

[@jameshoffman4954]

Kislev thunderers

[@TheCrankyCow]

chaos dwarves have a repeating handgun unit. So you might get your chance.

[@thomasalegredelasoujeole9998]

More plausible than 97 speed dwarfs on foot ^^ But the final result in battle is indeed quite like the rate of shooting you’d get with semi auto rifles ^^

[@trizick5379]

​@@TheCrankyCowhow right you are

[@kander03]

I think the doomstack was secondary to the true point of the save file: trolling Legend with a never-ending end turn of garrison battles.

[@doomguy9049]

yes

[@albinandersson1154]

WE DWARFS ARE NATURAL SPRINTERS! - Gimli third age

[@noahwillis857]

Dammit I was gonna say that!

[@Hanzy_Panzie]

4:50 Legend: Their speed is more like 45 dwarfs: accelerate in defience dwarfs sure break reality if you "insult" them in any way, like calling them slow

[@21specter]

Legend has been entered into the book of grudges for the insult.

[@larsmuller97]

That's a grudgin' and dwarfs will do anything to right a grudge.

[@burgerdan4936]

God imagine being a vampire, thousands of years old and getting merced by a speedy little hairy boi. It's like watching a ton and jerry cartoon

[@khelgarironfist3301]

Gotrek outpaces vampires even without a single buff lmao

[@崔莱]

Into the book you go!

[@DoctorM42]

Most vampires in the Old World are actually younger than your averade Dwarf...

[@yueqi7499]

It looks to me that the individual dwarves can reach 97 speed when you adjust unit formation, but the whole unit can only move at 45 speed.

[@thesheeepjd]

This is definitely it.

[@jeffvella9765]

It has to do with formation, you need to set up the square formation for fastest speed movement of any unit, and it is capped at some point based on the base speed of the unit. see Legend always does this mistake, where he orders units to move in near line formation, then he complains how slow they are :P He unconsciously knows through experience that they do move faster but does not realize the problem. They sometimes glitch when reforming with increase or decreased speed, this is what happened here. Usually they slow down, but with all that boosted speed they increased speed up instead when glitching. So if you find how they glitch and manage to do it regularly, theoretically you can utilize that 97 speed of theirs.

[@jrgenaarvik7671]

@@jeffvella9765 Untrue. It was the same with skaven. No matter what the unit card says, 2 doomwheels where one is buffed to amazing speed and one is not will move at about the same speed.

[@araknas3981]

@@jrgenaarvik7671 Everything he said flew over your head. Congrats!

[@jeffvella9765]

@@jrgenaarvik7671 those doomwheels comparison are not a formation or infantry and doomwheels type units have the same base speed and are capped at the same point, does not matter how much you buff them. They are not the same as infantry where different infantry have different speeds and thus buffs do work better. Doomwheels(all) should have the same capped speed because of animation, thus the doomwheels are capped quite close to the limit for it's type, so boosting it won't effect it much. Please re-read what I said, because you misunderstood.

[@mattdavid434]

20:33 - That Gyrobomber has 6000 missile strength 0_____0

[@unknowguy9642]

*Vietnam war intensifies*

[@samg7430]

Welcome to Estalia, gentlemen

[@a.hollins8691]

Some folks are born, silver spoon melted into their face ...

[@darthplagueis13]

Most of that is just because it shoots fast. Almost all of the super high missile strength values (with the exception of maybe luminarcs) actually just represent super fast shooting units rather than hard hitting units.

[@MrSquigglies]

@@darthplagueis13 Yeah I think the gyro bomber natively has over a 1000 missile damage over 6000 is still absolutely crazy

[@dfitz5835]

I cannot actually run at 97. Don´t tell the elf. - Not a word.

[@thehermit7618]

"According tae a' kent laws o' physics, thare is na wey that a dawi shuid be able tae run this fleet. His legs ur tae wee tae git his pie-eater wee body o'er th' ground. Th' dawi, o' coorse, runs anyway fur dawi dinnae care whit ye think is impossible." - *The Dawi Movie* , 2007, Jerry Seinfeld

[@BK-yj7vg]

Looks to me, like perfect example of "If it's stupid, but it works, it's still stupid"

[@VulpesChama]

But it still works.

[@BK-yj7vg]

But it's still stupid.

[@VulpesChama]

And it still works.

[@BK-yj7vg]

But it's still stupid.

[@VulpesChama]

But it still works!

[@applepie9234]

seeing gunpowder units absolutely demolish other units always tickles my pickle

[@TheHalcyonTwilight]

"The future is now, Zangunaz!"

[@RicwiBanor]

I wanna see this but with iron drakes

[@a.hollins8691]

Total War: Renaissance when?

[@rekka431]

@@a.hollins8691 Total War:Star Wars when?

[@dunderjones]

The amount of times that dude got attacked over the end turn had me laughing

[@Battledongus]

Ive never seen anything like it how many goddanm wars does he have?

[@Hydrakk]

Seeing Thunderers with 97 speed is making me imagine a dwarf moving like Mr. Krabs from Spongebob

[@maximcharest]

Mr. Krabs on Kétamine?

[@Hydrakk]

No, I don't think I will :^)

[@Battledongus]

@animefurriesweebs arepieces ofshit You really need a gf.

[@Battledongus]

@animefurriesweebs arepieces ofshit :how do i get i one" says it all. also my pfp isn't anime but sure.

[@JarthenGreenmeadow]

@@Battledongus Miku sucks

[@BarokaiRein]

"Move those dwarven legs!"

[@jasondunn3868]

LOL The troll stacks are getting out of hand 😂

[@samuellund1377]

"Their speed is more like 45" Thunderers: "THATS GOING IN THE BOOK" *sprints*

[@Assassinss77]

"Gimli: I'm wasted on cross-country. We Dwarves are natural sprinters. Very dangerous over short distances."

[@hypermelon_8654]

Or "legend bullies 3 unit of dwarfs for 21 minutes."

[@wile123456]

A video on the strongest auto resolve stacks could be interesting. The main importance being cost and ease of recruitment, aka how easy it is to spam

[@RicwiBanor]

I feel like irondrakes would be great for that. The always do god tier in auto resolve

[@Naramsit]

That's more of The Spiffing Brit's wheele house. He's the master of "Perfectly Balanced" games

[@adriltythorin6702]

Vampire Coast Bombers get absurdly good auto resolve when in battle they're very niche.

[@anonnymousperson]

Looks like a bunch of dwarves with Lee Enfield rifles doing a 'mad minute'.

[@TheYannir]

If this army had 14 Thunderers with 5 Engineers, they'd have more ammo in total than these 3. About 50 per unit so 700ish total, instead of the 300ish here. Also, the engineers don't seem to be buffing each other so that's a waste as well.

[@ashesofaranea]

wouldn't be nearly as funny though

[@EvilUrban]

I think they get there full speed buff when they try to get in to the right place in there formation when they are close to there destination. Normally units gets a small speed buff (I think) when they are trying to get in formation and i guess the speed cap is temporarily disabled when that happens.

[@jeffvella9765]

yep

[@flashbaggins427]

Yeah I think thats the case

[@alexeyalexandrov7583]

I am surprised that missile damage and speed increase doesn't affect engineers themselves. I remember that Doomstack with 5 engineers and they all had the same speed and damage.

[@papasuamae4302]

it's not about efficiency, it's about sending a message

[@Cuban_Warlord]

Lord Engineer is Engihere: BUILDING A SENTRY.

[@Battledongus]

Vampire sappin mah thunderers!

[@Battledongus]

Danm orcs destroy everything i create

[@chrisdube3051]

It looks like the animation is the limiting factor when you were zoomed out they seemed to be able to move faster as it was rendering as detailed

[@Grobarch]

Thought the same and hoped legend would check that

[@wilcohillebrand1458]

That end turn, oh my

[@Battledongus]

These meme stacks are so fun to see the imaginative way people use agents etc That end turn too! Never seen anything like it!

[@scottmorris13]

'very dangerous over short distances'.

[@drhoagy_4459]

best way to describe the diminishing returns on buff units (like master engineers) is, for this army, if you had 3 more thunderers and 3 fewer engineers, you would have 100% more thunderes, but only 80% of the enginners, so each thunderer would be ~20% less effective, but because there are twice as many of them you still have 1.6 times the dakka and thats ignoring the fact that half the buffs dont stack past a certain point

[@drhoagy_4459]

3 guns at 100% force = 300%, 6 guns at 80% force = 480% 480>300

[@sadpandah7597]

"sorry i was wrong about that" man this is something i wish more people is used to say when they are wrong

[@YTubechangeAccount]

hahahah omfg that was the most loss of cities in an end turn I have ever seen, I was cracking up before Legend noticed, then I lost it on his first "omg" hahahahahaha

[@liberalideas8224]

Ya, spent a little over a week on a gyrobomber doom stack submission for you and can confirm that they get pretty stupid when boosted. I felt confident enough to take on anything with that stack, bit it did have a problem with attrition as one or two units would get blown up occasionally. I never submitted the file though because I only then found out that submissions need to be on ultra unit scale and very hard battle difficulty, RIP.

[@jeremycorbin2178]

I like the idea of rating quirkier, more flavourful or even just whacky doom-stacks; show players that there are more ways to win a battle than the strictly most optimal one (which you've done a pretty good job of demonstrating what that looks like).

[@owensamuelrogers72]

This army is just a normal game of TF2 on 2fort lol

[@Riwillion]

16 engineers, 150 snipers, and nothing else? Sounds about right.

[@ryanjones6384]

Ok, but that end turn though. Looks like the whole map is standing for dollar shave club.

[@SqueakingSquid]

I am just glad that Legend isn't my high school teacher with his rating philosophy

[@TheGrunick]

This makes me wonder... whats the fastest you can get a unit in warhammer?

[@kacktustoo]

I love the meme armies, you just know they were made to get a vein in legends head popping.

[@spencermorgan2281]

To the town of Agua Fria strode a throng one fine day. They didn't talk to folks around them, they didn't have too much to say. No one dared to ask their business, no one dared to make a slip. The dawi there among them, all had big irons on their hips.

[@matthewmcneany]

I'm giving her all she's got captain.

[@TheJollyLlama875]

It seems like they get their higher speed when they're moving into formation, so maybe with a ton of micro you could just constantly issue new move orders right in front of them to zoom them around

[@nickbarber5268]

All it takes to decimate the core of the stack is a single overcast wind of death

[@deathzone5290]

omg that end turn, i laughed so hard

[@frankhenschel4008]

"Dwarf-things! Look how they scurry to us on such little legs! Racing to fight-fight!"

[@Kilen_BE]

538th turn lol... long time to wait to see this army ready, plus facing ideal opponent like VC (no arty, no missiles), there are a lot of others opponents that would make this army quite weak and easily overwhelmed. But that’s interesting to see creativity of players dropping crazy ideas. 😂

[@SureshotBowmen]

"Nothing can stop us" for sure little dwarfs

[@firefang225]

I seriously wish the game had an option to turn off the caps, would make things much more fun

[@italianwaffle5592]

True, imagine being able to buff one unit of thunderers to a nuclear degree and just have it take on full armies.

[@chrispy808]

@@Asraeks Link to Mod that can acheive this?

[@gthjzby887]

The caps aren't there on purpose. CA just didnt consider a thunderer moving at 97 speed and so didn't make an animation for it.

[@postmaster6414]

Market economics with LegendofTotalWar

[@rumplstiltztinkerstein]

If there's rum at the destination, a dwarf can.

[@AvengerAtIlipa]

Dwarf doomstacks are always the funniest imo.

[@danpitzer765]

And if you kicked out 10 engineers, you could bring the thunderers to 6, add a pair of Irondrakes to defend the flanks, and some organ guns and flame cannons to augment the firepower. After all, they have dwarfen legs, they'll never actually be fast.

[@martinlysy]

With so many engineers they should just turn into crankgunners.

[@Charlys787]

Engineers are rare, so I use just as much as to get close to the hard capped reload speed of the units. What worked best for me was: Gyrocopter - 5 Engies Bugmans - 4 Engies Guns - 3 Engies If you want to actually reach the cap, you had to add +1 Engie in that list. But I think it's not worth. The buff "Ballistics Calibration" becomes next to useless, because it can't add more reload speed then.

[@SereglothIV]

You tell a black orc he cannot die, he ain't dying. You tell a dwarf he can run at 97... well, he ain't :P

[@indrickboreale7381]

Waaagh! power is stronger than grudgin' power

[@clockmonkey]

Hardly ever play Dwarves, but that was really interesting, told me plenty of stuff I didn't know and was fun to watch.

[@Lathrok]

Thanks for the man that made this meme stack, I clicked.

[@Z0R0zeenee]

they really do be pumping those dwarven legs

[@rsmith4339]

My last Greenskin campaign I noticed I was having trouble running down routed dwarves , without engineers .

[@supremeoverlordtickles5325]

Is there a mod that allows for these stats to break their cap? I just really wanna see 97 speed dwarfs or 600 speed gyrocopters.

[@dmitriyk.2890]

They got something odd added to their beer.

[@miguelmontenegro3520]

Only over short distances

[@Xanthate1845]

Keep in mind that if you overcap the reload speed then you won't suffer reload penalties when low vigour.

[@kwdblade4683]

Engineer is Engi-here, legendary General of the Dwarven Gunner Cavalry

[@alexanderjbourre703]

legend, melkor has challenged you to a fight.

[@Dead_Fish0]

not gonna lie - it looks like those thunderers were firing at about 1 shot every 2 seconds

[@letsplaysvonaja1714]

"fast (for a dwarf)"

[@EndoftheTrain]

Those thunderers were just ridiculously strong

[@Farquaad3rd]

I did the math, and for any stack that is a spam of one kind of missile unit + master engineers + general, the best returns on ammunition is to go 5 or 6 master engineers and the rest be thunderers, so Legend was exactly right on that front. The exact ideal value is 5 1/3 engies and 13 2/3 chosen missile unit, so 5 is the better of the two, but if you graph it the difference between 5 and 6 master engineers is not noticeable. I just looked at ammo, and not missile strength, so maybe a 6th engineer becomes better when factoring that in. Keep in mind 5 to 6 is the turning point when it starts becoming worse for your overall ammo to add more engineers; your returns are already really diminished by the fourth engie. Edit: I'm pretty sure that with at least 4 engies and the help of the general if he has red line skills that also help reload time (which I think all dwarf lords can get?) we should be able to get max rank missile units like thunderers to the minimum practical reload time. From then on we can ignore reload time affects and only look at the effect of triangulation (damage buff). This will give us the same optimization problem as with ammo and the answer will be 5 or 6, preferably 5 again. So there you have it, 5 is the ideal number of master engineers for a dwarf missile spam stack. Should be true for quarrellers and rangers as well.

[@loafer144]

That was the most ridiculous end turn I've ever seen

[@turnipslop3822]

Everyone wants to see the gyro-bomber zoomstack.

[@Kryser1]

97... when they are rolling down the hill :D

[@semi-useful5178]

I wish they would remove the speedcap.

[@pleaseworkforonce9258]

I'm more impressed by the Skyhammers 6068 Missile Strength in that army

[@sim.frischh9781]

There is a mod that lets you build heroes without their unit cap right from the start, Okoii uses that one for his vids. If you use that mod, you can build this army pretty much early on without any drawbacks besides the cost for those heroes. Which increases with every level...

[@dmitryperman9586]

Unit increases speed to maximum when he attacks our regroups.

[@thegreatlarry9454]

It looks like every Engineer has the chilling aura crafted hammer. That's how you do it! Slow them down and let your thunderers put holes in them.

[@sadettinarslan5324]

those gyrobombers turned into gyrof-16s.

[@ketzerm8672]

I like that new unit of speed: phoenixes over map diagonal

[@freekvanderheijden6356]

OK here's my theory: Units have different speeds when forming up and regularly walking, the listed speed is their form up speed in this case

[@marcinswoboda7993]

They must have painted their shoes red, obviously.

[@redelephantsdotnl]

There definitely is something of a hard cap on units. I typically play SFO. In that, you can fairly easily get some lord/hero skills to get your Wild Riders /Sisters of Thorn to move at '240' speed. Yeah, not really. In all honesty, anything over 130 you don't notice. They will outrun wolf riders, but by a margin. That said, I have had Wardancers over 90 speed, and they do, indeed, catch up and smash cavalry in the rear.

[@CommanderBohn]

Should've added two extra Irondrakes in place of two MGs. One with Trollhammers and the other being the Draken one.

[@jonnycoolg]

A auto-resolve doomstack, I'll be damned.

[@YetiAY5000]

If only their range stacked

[@Dylius01]

Thunderer Elite

[@digitalshoes5520]

alternative title: "Legend bullies men 5'11 and under"

[@twrciv]

I think jezzails with 3 engineers and a warlock master lord have similar dps if not more.

[@a.hollins8691]

I've taken to giving myself little breaks during the day and saying "I'll get a bit of a rest."

[@valentinbalbinot5054]

Now I want a video of top 3 end turn Legend ever had.

[@JR-xv6mv]

Came for the title, stayed for the content

[@MrFatbard]

next time on legendoftotalwar: total warhammer becomes need for speed

[@stilloading5652]

It seems like the thunders in front of the unit could run closer to 97 but the others we’re getting stopped by the thunders in front

[@teoarrk]

'missile infantry' *Yes, yes they are.*

[@GiantShoe]

when units adjust their formation, individual models will move faster to reach the correct position but the entire unit doesnt get an overall speed boost.

[@imperatorjulius6039]

Well yes, since dwarves are natural sprinters, very dangerous over short distances

[@charlieawerbuch5352]

I feel like anymore then 3-4 Engineers in a stack isn't worth it. Sure, the bonuses are nice, but each engineer you have in the army actually reduces the overall damage by taking a slot that could be used by a unit that actually benefits from the buffs.

[@baileyswiekatun9613]

“Pump them dwarven legs!”

[@ReMeDy_TV]

Gutsy call by the AI to attack in waves, let's see if it will pay-off!