Can a Heretic be Redeemed Once they've Fallen to Chaos? | Warhammer 40k Lore

[@majorkill]

TDLR : It really depends how hectic of a heretic you were. Alexa (a female) gave Manscaped 5 Stars after I used the lawnmower and Ball deodorant Combo, said it was the best head she's ever given. To treat YOUR imaginary girlfriends right, use code MAJORKILL here : mnscpd.com/MajorKill for 20% off and free international shipping

[@darklordmalthric9814]

You should cover the rouge trader and maybe do a what if story like what if magnus stayed loyalist and what would the successor chapters be cough blood ravens cough

[@Prophetofthe8thLegion]

Funny enough there was a story of a plague marine fighting beside a eldar to stop a chaos incursion. The eldar said something along the lines of Your soul is damned there is no saving it, but you can still die with honor and in the name of your emperor.

[@hawkshot867]

10/10 best manscape advertisements ever

[@Alex-pj8nz]

No, all heretics must be burn and the god emperor can judge if their souls are worth saving in the afterlife.

[@mikep2504]

hey! you totally read my comment and made a video out of it! SICK!

[@TheWarmachine375]

3:56 There are Loyalist elements of the Traitor Legions who proved their loyalty to the Man-Emperor of Mankind at the end of the Horus Heresy and Guilliman had adopted them to be part of the Ultramarines successor chapters as a fresh start from their shameful association with the Traitor Primarchs.

[@thecommentguy9380]

must be those silver skulls (former iron warriors) based on what i heard

[@Alex-pj8nz]

But that just means they were never hectics to begin with.

[@SteelShroom256]

Makes me think of Captain Garro of the Death Guard in particular.

[@Mr.Monacle]

@@thecommentguy9380 I’ve heard the Silver Skulls were probably word bearers, hence all the weird ritual shit they do all the time.

[@Dadecorban]

not the question

[@kerbe3]

Well, the Emperor did forgive Horus, but he also knew that if he didn’t obliterate Horus when he had the chance the Chaos gods would just reclaim him.

[@MoleHillish]

well, if you believe the Imperial propaganda! /s/

[@rexlumontad5644]

Horus is at The Retconnian where he makes hot chocolate for Malal who is trying to break out and become canon again.

[@BobelPop]

Plus, the Emperor might also have considered that justice needed to be upheld. Even if he forgave Horus at heart, letting him off the hook could set a huge precedent down the road.

[@flameknightplayz2939]

@@BobelPop The Emperor isn't really the symbol of Justice lol. He stripped entire systems of their resources and left those billions of people to then fend for themselves. He also had Malcador "go commit die" countless people aka assassinated them for speaking against the Imperium due to the horrible atrocities they committed.

[@BobelPop]

@@flameknightplayz2939 My guess is he set a precedent for the space marine legions at least. Who really knows what the Emperor was thinking.

[@TheWarmachine375]

The Man-Emperor of Mankind did redeem Magnus the Red by taking his soul back from the Indecisive Mollusk after poking him many times with his Golden Flaming Sword within the Warp.

[@magnusthered4946]

Yes dad did that and I’m quite happy to have my soul back

[@stevejobs335]

@@magnusthered4946 AYO NO WAY

[@magnusthered4946]

@@stevejobs335 yes way

[@rythofthefourthhouse7104]

Doesn’t Kitten own your soul now?

[@Shadow-gc6le]

@@rythofthefourthhouse7104 well obviously not anymore.

[@TheAnon03]

There's also Captain Leonatos of the Blood Angels, though not actually a heretic he gets possessed by a demon and ends up chaos warlord leading one of the vanguards forces of the black crusade. He fights off the demon just long enough to order the chaos fleet into an ambush. He's doomed but he goes down fighting.

[@Alex-pj8nz]

Well that just means he is not a heretic since he was force to be a daemon spawn and yet he still chose death, he is an example of a excellent god emperor endorse space marine.

[@TheAnon03]

@@Alex-pj8nz Though his soul is irrecoverably corrupted (probably). Perhaps the other characters from the story are better examples both Cloten and Lysander join a chaos marine warband and actively kill Imperial troops and citizens amongst other crimes and atrocities in their search for Leonatos, Cloten even starts to mutate from warp exposure and actually gives up and falls at one point (briefly). In the end both reject chaos (not all who started on the journey did).

[@baudsp]

Good old bloodquest

[@asaenvolk]

@@TheAnon03 Cloten even KILLS his black rage. His much later seaming fall back into it was a feignt to pull a trick on the Chaos army, he needed Lysander to "Kill him" so he could escape and lead a mutiny.

[@tiringsarcasm]

What book is this?

[@ThePathStrider]

Reminds me of when a renegade Dark Angel got captured by an Interrogator-Chaplain. He mocked the Chaplin about him being put in a cell on The Rock with the other Fallen. The Chaplin remarked that he was NOT a Fallen, having fallen to Chaos recently. The Fallen believed the lies that Luthor spoke, and had no idea the effect the Chaos Gods had on him. That is why the Fallen have a chance of redemption before execution. But this one knew EXACTLY what he was getting involved in. He forfeited his chance of redemption and only deserved the bolt round that the Chaplin promptly put through his skull.

[@Alex-pj8nz]

His gene seed is not worth saving since it’s corrupted and thus must be burn.

[@robertnelson9599]

I always wondered if the Dark Angels had heretics outside of the Fallen. What's the story?

[@brotherzael7986]

@@robertnelson9599 Pretty sure "Fallen" is just what DA call all corrupted/traitor DA

[@bookstore7969]

@@robertnelson9599 "Pandorax" book!

[@GearShotgun]

@@brotherzael7986 not quite. “Fallen” refers specifically to the marines who were tricked into chaos by Luther. Anyone else besides them is just a regular traitor

[@YourBoyParagon]

I'm surprised Major didn't talk about the Alpha Legion since a few of their last books talk about how the Alpha Legion are not united in thought and there's lots of marines in various warbands that want to return to the Emperor's light

[@lewishorsman2219]

Or do they? That’s the thing with Alpha Legion, they’re a walking contradiction and there’s no point believing a word any of them say because they’ll say they want back into the light to do some shit to ruin it for themselves (or not?)

[@スフィアマスター]

There are actually some alpha legion marine that work for the inquisition as well.

[@lewishorsman2219]

@@スフィアマスター or do they? That’s the issue. But it’s a good problem to have because you can do so much with them. I could imagine Alpha Legion vs Alpha Legion lol

[@スフィアマスター]

@@lewishorsman2219 actually quite a few organization in the Imperium have a way of communication with their traitor counter part. during the extermination of Rogue Assasinorum Temple Maerorus , They even made a pact to employ help from the world eater to covering up their experiment gone wrong.

[@YourBoyParagon]

@@lewishorsman2219 The meme of them being as indecisive as Tzeentch is fun and all but I do think there are at least a fair few that genuinely regret the decisions of their forebearers and do not drink the Chaos Koolaid. Sons of the Hydra detailed one small Alpha Legion warband seeking out Omegon because they believed he shared their sentiment of trying to find a way back into the Imperium's fold. Not that every warband agrees with them on that though, there are plenty of Alpha Legion warbands that are neck deep in corruptions and shit and don't want to go back.

[@cavenoises3891]

Chad Anchorite Starts worshipping chaos like his fellow battle brothers Sees that Monarchia was a test and that they had all failed Surrender to the Ultramarines Isnt killed Writes more books for the Imperial Cult Vibes on a cardinal world for 10,000 years A bunch of word bearers come to free him Fucking kills the chaos lord's daemon with nothing but his faith in the emperor His former brother tries to get him to rejoin "fuck off" Begins slaughtering them too Returns to the solitude of his cell to continue his penance

[@GhostoftheTenthEye]

Kekw

[@crimsonitacilunarnebula]

sounds cool how vibin of a vibin are we talkin about here

[@synergy8879]

at this point just leave him alone and bring him some paper

[@lordwellington7220]

A true son of the Emperor. He's just like a 16yr old emo kid going on a wrong path, doing drugs, skipping school. Eventually, had a realization "i need to unfuck myself", joined the military or went to college whatever to become a better person.

[@senorsombrero1275]

Wasn’t there a wordbearers dreadnaught who also renounced Chaos and is just chilling on some prison world and writing scripture? Then I remember reading that some wordbearers came to rescue him but he killed all of them and then resumed writing.

[@w4rpf1nnlad]

That chad was called Anchorite.

[@thedyingmeme6]

Anchorite, my 2nd favorite dreadnought

[@mugenokami2201]

@@thedyingmeme6 who’s number one?

[@johnbourlier7883]

@@mugenokami2201 if it ain’t Rylanor, are you even a fan?

[@mugenokami2201]

@@johnbourlier7883 never know with some people so might as well ask. After all if it isn’t then they ether have a very damn good reason or they a heretic

[@Alistor76]

I approve of the stealth Watame at 10:44.

[@ammonite0257]

Holy shit it is watame. That’s honestly awesome

[@torgranael]

I'm lost. What is "watame"?

[@Alistor76]

@@torgranael Tsunomaki Watame. She's a Japanese streamer who uses an anime avatar instead of a facecam. There's a meme where someone superimposed her avatar's face on a watermelon to make Watame-Lon; It's a pun on her name. Major added it because he's cultured I assume.

[@teal_m_101]

Moral of the story: Never use the ruinous influence of Slaanesh as viagra

[@InquisitorShepard]

How about a suppository instead?

[@connormcgehee9349]

What about nurgle then?

[@voidstrider801]

@@connormcgehee9349 Your whang will rot and fall off.

[@alexanderstraker69]

I mean... How about both?

[@chucklytell]

It works, but then it never stops working lol "please consult your physician if you experience an erection that lasts several centuries and whispers to you that you should murder-scrog your friends and loved ones"

[@lordj3793]

Horus didn’t beg for forgiveness he asked for death.

[@probablythedm1669]

Only in death may the traitor know the Emperor's mercy!

[@Nyghtking]

The way I heard it was he was momentarily freed from the influence of chaos, realized what he had done and wanted death as he knew chaos would soon take hold of him again, so the emperor hit him full force with his full psychic might and shredded his soul to oblivion.

[@cp1cupcake]

There are a lot of stories of traitors who had a moment of clarity and sacrificed themselves for the Emperor. I'm not 100% sure, but would the Arconrite count?

[@looneypeach]

the Anchorite straight up refused to follow the 4 when the Word Bearers turned, so I don't think he really counts

[@Malyfous]

No, I think the Anchorite counts. He followed Lorgar for a while, but surrendered to Guilliman once he realized his legion was doing the wrong thing.

[@TheWarmachine375]

There is one who can be redeemed from Chaos: Torglug the Despised who was reforged into Tornus the Redeemed after Celestant-Prime smashed him with the Ghal Maraz that freed the small spark of his soul's nobility and good within him to be reforged into a Stormcast Eternal

[@zettgundam6317]

age of sigmar lore lul

[@michaelsantamaria5295]

He goes on to form a chamber (chapter) of ex-chaos warrior stormcast eternals call the Redeemers. This piss off Nurgle so much that he rage so hard it even gave khorne pause

[@kellerblair2952]

No one cares

[@archmagosbelisariuscawl1192]

@@kellerblair2952 i care

[@AnimatedTerror]

@@kellerblair2952 you must be fun at parties.

[@TheWarmachine375]

3:19 The Lamenters are a Chapter full of Qrow Branwens who have collective Bad Luck.

[@theoverpreparerlamenters3r436]

My apologies; who, exactly, is Qrow Branwen/Branwens?

[@MeltedNipples]

@@theoverpreparerlamenters3r436 it's a character of a webseries called RWBY, in it all characters have a special power. Qrow's power is attracting bad luck to himself and all around him

[@zazi5305]

@@MeltedNipples Just to those around him, hence why he operated solo for so long. Also, RIP RWBY.

[@altaccount1408]

In "The Emperors Gift" im pretty sure there was a guy in the inquisitors retinue who used to be a chaos cultist because he had all the tattoos and the grey knight protagonist didnt like him, but he was loyal now

[@Thunderstruc]

He talked about him. he was the "chaos dick"

[@Salted_Fysh]

There is one major heretic who was allowed to rejoin though: There was a guy, I forgot his name, but he was basically one very powerful unregulated Psyker and he even made a deal with the Chaos Gods, had temples to the God Emperor of Mankind burned and faithful citizens purged. It basically got so bad that a few of his subordinates decided he needed to take a breather so they turned him into a corpse but because he was such a powerful Psyker and still useful in his corpse form, the Imperium enshrined him and use him for their own ends. It was a pretty minor character in a fringe novel so I don't remember his name, only the basic outline of the story.

[@joshuacoleman8814]

I see wutchu did there...

[@Justarandomriceenjoyer]

lol

[@Dirty09]

Wasn't it John Warhammer?

[@gunargundarson1626]

Does Magnus helping Roboute sing "Nothing on You" towards Yvraine count as reversing chaos corruption?

[@gunargundarson1626]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/lZO7Y2NsjsSAf7s

[@kevski_021]

Under-fucking-rated 😂

[@ThatGuyUpThere]

No, since he is only one of the many long lost Magnus is soul shards. Magnus the Rad.

[@benaplin7040]

That is either instant redemption or extra heretical. I don't know which.

[@BeijingCornDealer]

@@benaplin7040 redemperetical it is then.

[@the36lessons11]

The Alpha Legion. Their warbands' ideologies range from: _'Damn Dirty Heretic and Loving It!'_ to _'The Current Imperium Ain't What Big Daddy E Wanted, Time to Trim The Fat'._ I'd reckon most don't start worshipping the Chaos Gods, but slowly after millenia they begin corrupting and twisting to match the environment of the Eye where they dwell. Hell, a certain warband in the recent setting actually seemed to be guided unknowingly by the Big Chair Skeleton, and were fighting both Chaos Forces as well as Imperial ones. The Man-Emperor even sent a certain Saint to 'assist'.

[@mosh845]

which warband was guided by Big E?

[@the36lessons11]

@@mosh845 The Unsung

[@MadeThisStuff]

The word bearer sorceror is one of my favorite storylines. Didn't get redeemed, just jaded, bored and disgusted with himself after thousands of years of serving Chaos. It's probably not canon anymore but it's seeing Dark Age of Tech + Chaos in the lore is always interesting.

[@chrismorel8613]

"A deed once done cannot be undone, but perhaps it can yet be mitigated"

[@Kinoksis]

Didn’t the Emperor delete Horus’ soul cause even though the Chaos gods abandoned him, his soul was still tainted and could be manipulated again?

[@PlaceHolderMechanic]

from what I understood, it was more of Horus going "father, please kill me." than big E thinking "welp, can't use this tool anymore, better get rid of it."

[@TheWarmachine375]

Horus was sent to the Retconnian and made hot chocolate for poor Malal who wants to be canon again

[@theHedgex1]

I'm pretty sure they only abandon his body to not get destroyed but if they had the opportunity they would re-enter his body quickly and kill the emperor while he wasn't paying attention.

[@Makorze]

Pretty much. The first blow drove the Warp Gods from his body but at that point, Horus wouldn't be able to resist them if they tried again so the 2nd blow shattered his soul. This is also confirmed by the fact that when the Emperor shattered him, the shards of his soul that was tethered to the Dark Gods went to them. This is why no-one has ever been able to revive Horus and why the best Fabius could come up with is a soulless clone.

[@aceofspadesguy4913]

Personally I like how Uncle Baldy interpreted the Big E annihilating Horus anyway. Horus wouldn’t have been able to live with himself after all the pain he’d caused and would’ve gone insane. Destroying him was a mercy.

[@broccoligaming7611]

So... With the Primarchs rising up again... It's Possible (If Horus can come back) that Horus can come back as a Loyalist...

[@BloodyArchangelus]

@@broccoligaming7611 he can not. Emperor oblitirate him from existence. he does not have shards. nothing.

[@megaduck7965]

@@broccoligaming7611 Fabius Cloned Horus after stealing his body from the Sons of Horus . Big E destroyed his soul so even though he was a clone of him . Horus wasn’t the original because it wasn’t the soul of the original Horus . Abaddon later destroyed the clone and destroyed the facility with both OG horus’s body and the clone . Mind you it’s Fabius so he’s probs got some more clones up his sleeve or something

[@broccoligaming7611]

@@megaduck7965 Hey, a Clone is something...

[@megaduck7965]

@@broccoligaming7611 Was , the key word is was ; )

[@graemedaley8060]

I remember in a gaunts ghosts book, the target they were after ends up realizing how bad he fucked up when confronted by gaunt and kills himself over the guilt.

[@Raptorrat]

I believe that was Sturm. Got arrested by Gaunt and captured by the Sons of Sek. They offered him revenge against Gaunt and all the others that wronged him, for help with training them. I was thinking about that other dude, Mabbon Etogaur. Who first betrayed the Bloodpact, and then the Sons of Sek. From what I remember he had a more philosophical reason for his turn, as opposed to base revenge. Honestly, I finished Anarch about a year ago; still not quite okay...

[@graemedaley8060]

@@Raptorrat yea, he completely fucked a millitary operation where thousands died I think. Then he was captured in space by the chaos forces you said and he was brainwashed so bad he couldn't remember what he did and thought the imperium was just after him for no reason. He finds out the truth after coming to his senses, and I think gaunt even gave sturm one of his guns to off himself with

[@khylerbane4523]

The story of the Nurgle ultramarine and sister of battle is something that I would love to see be adapted. Especially considering the view the Sisters have on ALL mutants, heretics, xenos, and traitors, her going out of her way to “save”(and I am using that term very loosely) her friend and idol is honestly pretty wholesome and tragic. Also redemption is possible as one traitor Primarch has returned to Big E’s side, Magnus the Red from TTS.

[@xxiSHTAr9000x]

I could imagine when he returns to the Demon of Nurgle, he looks on in hatred as he tears off his chest piece and pulls back his ribs to reveal the bomb. As it’s about to go off, the Nurglites are taken aback with chock and terror as the Ex-Untramarine shouts “FOR THE EMPEROR!-“ right as the bombs explodes

[@SuperRavensblood]

"A Heretic may see the truth and seek redemption. He may be forgiven his past and will be absolved in death. A Traitor can never be forgiven. A Traitor will never find peace in this world or the next. There is nothing as wretched or as hated in all the world as a Traitor." - Cardinal Khrysdam

[@jessicafish809]

Love it

[@TheFatalcrest]

I did always wonder what it would be like to wake up and realize that you've been lost and corrupted, and the corruptions upon your mind have faded away so you know just what a monster you have become....honestly I would probably try to trick my fleet into nuking itself for all the horrors we have done.

[@coolcool8693]

That chaos high wears off after awhile and you're either always chasing that high or you try to get clean which is hard as hell

[@TheFatalcrest]

@@coolcool8693 god I love the tragedies of 40k, it's just a super sad and rough time all around. XD now I'm kinda on the fence about just how much I would like to see a happy spark of hope and romance....just to go "Aw that happened..." then instantly have something evil just right behind it to keep the suffering going

[@thebossbrothers123]

@@TheFatalcrest A cool but messed hypothetical i thought of would be an inquistor that regularly hires blanks such as culexus assasins, respects them openly even, but then when said blanks seek recognition for their subsequent successes they're promptly *reminded* of their *lack of charisma* by pretty much everyone else

[@christiandauz3742]

Everyone is screwed up in Warhammer and Real Life dumbass Some people are Brave and Wise enough to accept it My advice? Be an Atheist/Secular Humanist in Real Life If you ever end up in any Warhammer Universe, join Chaos

[@thebossbrothers123]

@@christiandauz3742 why'd you write "dumbass", everything you said makes sense except that part.

[@TheWarmachine375]

2:48 Alpha Legion: "Write it down! Write it down! Hydra Dominatus!"

[@jusa297]

10:53 it's nice to see that watamelon has chosen the side of the righteous.

[@benvacco8997]

It should be noted, the Thousand sons sorcerers who found Rylanor are probably still alive. Magnus can bring them back from the dead, they were probably really hyped to tell their dad about the whole situation.

[@thedyingmeme6]

Vistario and his company (i believe) were virus bombed so i think not but i dunno

[@benvacco8997]

@@thedyingmeme6 I believe Magnus creates new bodies and only keeps the souls.

[@synergy8879]

“hey dad we helped a loyalist emperors children dreadnought nuke the rape snake of slaneesh.”

[@mr.puffballmansick-stee-ne7749]

Your hands down my favourite KZbinr major, I’ve watched almost all you videos at least twice if not twenty times

[@xx-vg7wz]

Majorkill has really fallen into the Hololive rabbithole at 10:40

[@cryw1092]

I'm glad someone mentioned the Watamelon. It's smug aura was overwhelming.

[@portland4660]

That fucking smug is known everywhere even in 40k

[@S0meassh0le]

Hey major kill, as a video suggestion I think you should do a review on space 40k space ships.

[@mabimabi212]

I second this, a nice refresher of blackstone fortressess and attack moons would be neat.

[@S0meassh0le]

Yes in indeed

[@EggSheeran-vk2yu]

I spot a watamelon at 10:47

[@PrimarisBlackTemplaDraven]

Oh man I hope Magnus and the thousand son's redeemed themselves in the future.

[@rexlumontad5644]

I miss TTS and the last time we saw Magnus in that show is he is accompanied by Custodisi and Ephrael Stern after Cegorach sent them to meet Eldrad and his group.

[@flameknightplayz2939]

Most of the Thousand Sons sorcerers are unaligned, they aren't even followers of chaos undivided. Most of them evolved on their own, to become warp entities/beings of pure energy like Magnus. So, since most of them have not and will most likely never align with any chaos gods/entities, there is a chance to redeem majority of the legion. I say most not all since some have totally fallen and chose to join chaos worshipping cults, or driven into situations where they are broken and claimed (Like sorcerer Menkaura). Most of them won't follow another being other than Magnus, since they view him more than just a father, like a being of worship, like an idol. Their love for their father is very potent and strong, they will even gladly die for him, like some fanatical cult followers. So, other than Magnus, they won't submit to another leader, be they loyalists/chaos gods/etc. The books tells us that they despise aligning themselves with daemons, wanting to be the ones in control. It's kind of funny that their pride and arrogance saves them from being claimed by the chaos gods. Just look at Ahriman with his "No, Belakor, ......I won't be the one granting wishes, .......you will bend to my will." (Ahriman First Prince) The fastest way to make the TS loyalist is for the Emps to just offer to reverse the Rubric Spell. Emps already revealed his power over life and death when he revived Guilliman from the dead and healed him from the curse of a god. If emps can nullify the most potent curse of Nurgle, he can surely nullify the rubric.

[@PrimarisBlackTemplaDraven]

@@flameknightplayz2939 that would but Big E sometimes a Big D.

[@TheWarmachine375]

0:56 Squidward: "Get a hold of yourself! Just picture him naked!" Majorkill: Squidward: "Oh no! He's hot!"

[@krimzonstriker7534]

Wait, Didn't the Emperor also offer Magnus a chance at redemption if he purged his chapter during the Siege of Terra? 😅

[@dallascook7869]

Yup. Turned that shit down too.

[@kristincarey2749]

In the gaunts ghosts stories there's a really interesting traitor guardsman who Is giving them info on the sons of Sek. Another example of a traitor guardsman being somewhat accepted. There is so many interesting characters in the series.

[@mikewaterfield3599]

In “the Eye of Terror” A first founding dark angel goes traitor turns back repents and gets executed

[@lepszykomentator]

Only because DA excecute them all

[@mikewaterfield3599]

@@lepszykomentator cant be too careful

[@SlaaneshiChosen_Carmena]

This actually kind of sums it up. Turning back is possible but the imperium will never allow it. It’s why people often get forced into actually joining chaos after falsely getting accused of chaos worship.

[@SlaaneshiChosen_Carmena]

Not never, excuse me, Rarely

[@Slyslug]

@@SlaaneshiChosen_Carmena isn't there a bit in a book about some marines being accused because some of their battle brothers had turned, even though they were loyal and the inquisition was like "lol no actually heretic" and they figured they'd turn to chaos because it beats forced execution. Bad summary but that's the gyst.

[@cortodufour1557]

"Obvious drawbacks" *Shows a picture of a glorious Plague Marine* Still waiting for the drawbacks, I call this an improvement

[@MrE-wr8ws]

Heretic

[@theoverpreparerlamenters3r436]

If you consider a very large and easy to spot weakpoint as an improvement (I don't), then I guess?

[@cortodufour1557]

@@theoverpreparerlamenters3r436 Weakpoint ? These lovely things are littealy immune to pain. They eat bolt for breakfast

[@E4r0s]

@@cortodufour1557 too bad you can drown in your own pus! Trust me, my friend who is a plague marine said that, and then he did.

[@yardh]

This dude is so alpha. The ads are as good as the content.

[@teetowner4474]

10:53 holy shit I was not expecting to see a watamelon in a majorkill video

[@alannatherson7721]

I had an idea for campaign where a force of chaos cultist (I'd use Imperial Guard rules and kibashed models) and fresh chaos Space Marines that were born in the Eye of Terror that learn of the mighty God Emperor and have a sort of reverse Hores Heresy trying to fight their way out of the realm of chaos and to try the Imperium. It probably wouldn't end well for them but would be a fun thing to play around with.

[@whotao3441]

Watamelon detected 10:54

[@averagemumeienjoyer5498]

War maybe eternal but Watamelon will be forever

[@Mantheon]

Loyalist Fulgrim, his fall might suggest he can redeem himself with enough willpower to overthrow the demon that possessed him

[@revanruler6404]

in the worst case there is always his perfect uncorrupted clone

[@RC-eb1qd]

Unfortunately for fulgrim, his loyal soul is trapped in a painting while a daemon uses his body as a meatsuit

[@Super50ldier]

@@RC-eb1qd His loyalist soul was transferred into the clone

[@RC-eb1qd]

@@Super50ldier isn't that just the soul of the clone though? I'm pretty sure not even fabius knew where the painting was hung

[@Super50ldier]

@@RC-eb1qd He remembered what his traitor self did and regretted even Majorkill mentioned this

[@TheWarmachine375]

5:29 I wonder if the Space Wolves knew about that female Fenrisian Inquisitor

[@ronaldowens5025]

Yeah they do she kneels in front of Bjorn in one of the books .

[@DreadnoughtHvor]

@@ronaldowens5025 He simped massively for her too.

[@brothermathius9506]

Honestly I feel blackshields are some of the coolest space marines

[@DmGray]

Abnett covers this content in Gaunt's ghosts, both broadly and specifically. Guardsmen come under suspicion of taint and are so close to getting a bolt gun exorcism that they're instead sent on continual suicide missions to die in glory... but ALSO entire plotlines involving chaos cultists that I won't spoil. "The one sane man in an insane galaxy" might clue people in to who I'm talking about, if they've read the entire series.

[@diamondhamster4320]

Sneaky Watamelon was present during Horus Heresy? New deep W30K lore uncovered?

[@Ravenor907]

It's still 100% my head cannon that sanguinius was the one that killed Horace in depths of the black rage and the emperor found him, The Big E tried to give our winged homeboy a cola but was horribly beaten and maimed, his last act as a physical human was to clap his own untainted son's cheeks to stop him from doing more damage.

[@davekavanagh7599]

It makes more sense than the current Canon of a heartless, unfeeling monster cunt Emporor who suddenly just couldn't bring himself to hurt his favourite son even though said son is the greatest threat to humanity and has killed billions ... come on GW.

[@gunterthekaiser6190]

@@davekavanagh7599 I prefer the Idea that the emperor fought Horus and barely won. It makes the chaos God's a much more tangible threat when they work together since even the Emperor couldn't really win.

[@Primus_Phallus]

Posted it a million times in KZbin but gonna post it again. 1. The Talons of Horus are empowered by the wound it dealt on the Emperor. How could a dead Horus do that? 2. Sanguinius killing Horus makes Chaos look weak. I mean, no disrespect to Hawk Boy, but he's just a primarch, strongest of them, but still a primarch. No way a primarch can kill the vessel of Chaos on his own 3. It makes Malcador look stupid. "Lemme get on the throne for ya buddy so you can watch Sanguinius wrecked Horus, no matter I turn to dust" 4. Dorn cant lie. How can Dorn lie to everyone that it was Horus who killed the Emperor. 5. And finally, if Sangunius did kill the Emperor, the Banana custodians would've had roasted Blood Angel chicken every night for the rest of the setting.

[@davekavanagh7599]

@@gunterthekaiser6190 The Emperor 1 shotted the void dragon which is said to be the greatest collection of C'tan shards in existence. I fully believe that even if all 4 chaos gods came together and became 1 super God. Even then the emperor would come out on top. Horus wasn't even 1% of the Emperor, so if chaos powered up Horus to be 50x more powerful. He's still not close to the Emperor. I think GW just wrote themselves into a corner by writing the ending first and then being confused as to how it could actually play out. Don't get me wrong. I love the idea that the chaos gods could be more dangerous, because honestly. At the moment, they are as dangerous as a stiff breeze. I mean the crippled Emperor on his throne, possesses Guilleman and burns down Nurgles realm while Nurgle hides in his manse. I mean jesus. Is Nurgle a god or what? 🤣 chaos claims to be the biggest single threat to the entire universe. So maybe it should be lol

[@Primus_Phallus]

@@davekavanagh7599 One-shotted the Void Dragon- In Mechanicum it was stated that even the Emperor couldnt kill the Void dragon, only subdue it and use it build his omnissiah persona 4 chaos gods vs emperor, emps comes up on top- are we forgetting that the purpose of the Emperor's imperial truth is to starve Chaos? The Emperor literally had to bargain with those evils to create the primarchs do Idont know where your getting your sources from. Horus isnt even 1% of the Emperor- wrong again, a Primarch contains an essence of the emperor plus a portion of his general powers, a roided up Horus is certainly a match for the Emperor And lastly to turn you point on itself, you did say that the best primarch is just a percentage of the Emperor, then how in the world could Sanguiniud, balck rage red thrist and all, beat the Emperor to a vegetable? Doesnt that defeat the purpose of the percent you're trying to say?

[@satorudo]

10:48 I see you are a man of culture dear Wata-melon

[@JohnnyOrc]

Better question: Why would you want to forsake Papa Nurgle's love to return to the soul-crushing Imperium?

[@lordhamster9452]

and by that, forsake the chance to embrace his plague daemon dogos. and other sickeningly cute stuff.

[@michellewilt4479]

I mean guys, I sorta like my squishy bits to stay inside my body, and having just dealt with a bout of the nurglic plague, I think I'll still with the boring soul crushing Imperium. I can always adopt a cute little floating skull or a cherub or a servitor as a pet.

[@gavinziozios1431]

I always found it funny how a good chunk of Nurgle's forces aren't exactly malevolent, but instead just really playful and don't know what they're capable of

[@CommissarPickle]

I thought I read that horus begged for death to atone and because he knew he wouldn't be able to fight off the chaos gods if he was allowed to live.

[@shmee123ful]

I vaguely recall, I think it was a book dealing with the grey knights or the inquisiton. One of the inquisitors retnanew was a choas cultists and had left chaos or being captured and reconverted

[@krisross8663]

Anyone else absolutely the love the background music Majorkill plays in his videos

[@Doomchild_]

10:39 what's watamelon doing on the bridge of the Vengeful Spirit?

[@mynewobsession305]

10:48 IS THAT A WATERMELON SHEEP I SEE?!?!?!? LOL

[@BioBroly111]

Last time I was this early, Timmy was still around.

[@trevormurray617]

Timmy…… I remember when the nids got him… such a tragic loss….

[@odstlogan276]

I was just thinking of a story to write where a warband of renegades has individuals sabotaging battles to gain the imperiums favor and soon defecting to them while the MC tries exposing their plot. This will be very informational.

[@manuelvillar8424]

If you are Magnus and want your soul back just let the Big E poke Tzeentch with his sword until it gives back

[@BobBobowski-p7u]

Magnus did nothing wrong :)

[@TheGodEmperorOfMankind_]

Mario says: Everyone deserves a second chance. Luigi says: Burn! Maim! Kill!

[@cp1cupcake]

Just remembered a guy in the Gaunt's Ghost series. He was a chaos Etogaur (colonel) who turned himself over to the Imperium because he became disillusioned with chaos (from what I remember). The guy was FULLY aware of how he would be treated by the Imperium.

[@yagdra5721]

Video suggestion:mutant lore there Is a lot of mentions about them even in dark age of technology

[@dac314]

Did not know about the Black Shields of the Death Watch, that's super badass and makes for some really really spicy mixes of ex-traitor Space Marines. Fuck, that is such a cool idea!

[@feroexe7965]

0:12 Is that a pitcher plant behind you Majorkill? I've been watching you for quite awhile now but I just realized it's existance. Like beside the Custodes spear and the Necron Overlord head

[@aarushpruthi7184]

That was a damn fine ad for Manscaped

[@montiegaines7179]

I respected that shave sponsor. Much more thematic than most.

[@JoePippin.]

Nightlords can't be redeemed, but they can find vindication.

[@SlaaneshiChosen_Carmena]

It’s a lot of outside influence. Since chaos corruption is the gods direct influence, the ability to reform is directly tied to how much the god wants you to stay and how much the Emperor is willing to spend to get you back. Guard who fought Chaos Cultists can slip out from the dark gods easy, only to be met by inquisitors because the Imperium does not care that you only saw chaos once. Meanwhile Some lore notes that Tzeench is constantly filling Magnus’s head with shattered visions of the future, lies, and information (dr Manhattan style) specifically to prevent his mind from recognizing reality enough to repent. Tzeench is so determined to prevent this that Magnus literally cannot have the train of thoughts needed to consider repentance.

[@Soundwave453]

Watamelon Spotted 10:50

[@theenigma8683]

I just noticed the Watame at 11:00

[@saltyshackles5227]

The Emperor sounded like he was offering Morty a 10 point rehab program at the Beverly Hills Betty Ford clinic.

[@starrk07]

It would be an awesome twist if Perturabo ended up being the yellow king in the besquin novels, spending the last decades trying to redeem himself. It won’t ever be anything that cool, but one can dream.

[@thecommentguy9380]

quite confirmed to be valdor

[@HalIOfFamer]

Valdor is the king in yellow in the 40k universe. It has been revealed. He seeks a true name of the emperor so he can either destroy him or resurrect him, there are many theories

[@starrk07]

Yea I know they’ve said Valdor is the yellow king, just saying it was be an nice twist if Purti was just using the name to throw people off. I mean who would trust Perti if he went out there saying “Yeah, I’m good now. We cool?”

[@HalIOfFamer]

@@starrk07 unfortunately GW made perty into a demon, tho I hope it will be changed as this piece of lore makes no sense, perty hated chaos and it would be cool for him to be a leader of a renegade faction instead, not chaos and not imperial.

[@thecommentguy9380]

@@HalIOfFamer which is kinda weird considering Pert and his legion HATES demons, like they literally shove them into war machines instead of working with them

[@vontheunknown7982]

The blood Ravens found a way to get out of damnation.

[@SlaaneshiChosen_Carmena]

There’s a difference between falling to chaos and being dragged there temporarily. Well ok there’s not, but don’t tell the Blood Angels that.

[@BloodyArchangelus]

@@SlaaneshiChosen_Carmena BR killed all heretics inside the chapter and went under investigation for years. Guess their success of defeating tyranid fleet, gave them some points in eyes of Inquisition. + Angelos himself knew something. I guess it was expected that BR would fall in chaos in some way from INQ long ago,

[@Wheezr]

10:40 I see even the Major is a fan of Watame

[@Lightscribe225]

I forget the book, but a psyker cultist was all for Chaos until a warp portal opened above her world and she saw what waited on the other side for real; and since then became a vigilante hunting down Chaos cults and evading Imperial justice. Like a psychic batman. I want more of that.

[@hardbassdoge8750]

I think majorkill genuinely might be the only 40k lore master I know of who is not only fit but fucking shredded

[@icklemoo]

According to the emperor in a recent book with his chat with Mortarion , it seems its possible to redeem at some point .. :) wont say more as incase people not ready the book with the chat at end with mortarion/emperor/Robert G all in the nice garden of nurgle :) worth reading godblight for the end fight stuff/interactions and actually see Morty get stuff done for a change :)

[@NornQueenKya]

There's almost no point of going back. Even after finding space Jesus again, your only fate is being gunned down by the imperium for wavering in the first place. Embrace the chaos!

[@indrickboreale7381]

Enemeh is at oah doah

[@CoolCraftCool]

Would be interesting to see if the Imperium would accept someone like Arguleon Veq the guy was a high chapion of Chaos but at some point went you know what this just isnt getting me to my life goals! And so left the cause of the ruinous powers.

[@chupakabra1999]

Perty technically *can* be redeemed but it wil ltake some serious effort and perhaps some specific moves, becuase I'm pretty sure while not chaos (mostly?), he and Iron Warriors are just renegades in my opinion. Should he get a better alternativee to chaos in terms of tools, then I guess he will abandon it and move to a better source of tech. Perhaps, a DAOT tech instead of chaos scientific branch.

[@Jason-gq8fo]

i think perty would be better to redeem than morty, although i still kinda want renegade independant perty

[@sawyerrichardson6077]

Holy shit I just realized the story about the corrupted ultramarine is the first ever story I ever listened to about 40k it’s what got me into 40k I love you so much more for including it!

[@tizthehappy229]

Now what about working for traitors but not being chaos like the minotaurs during the hexarchy

[@ThereTerente]

Majorkill: the only youtuber that gets naked on camera Majorkill's viewers: FUUUUUCK YEA

[@TheKlink]

i often thought about servitor-ising an chaos spawn and cherubim-ising them to praise and pray to the emperor. a lot of those religious, beatific states can be induced in such a way as to be genuinely experienced from the point of the experiencer, so in that respect, everyone captured can be servitorised into genuine service of the emperor.

[@DizzyScorpia]

Any reference to the soul drinkers just keeps reminding me of a dawn of war book where it ends with a blood raven neophyte having warp-spaghettied hands. After noticing the captain just tells him to put some gloves on.

[@TheRabbit68]

"The more balls deep you go, the harder it'd be to pull out." Words of wisdom right there.

[@johithestar414]

I think that major is getting out of the chad league and getting into the giga chad league

[@anagrams-u5r]

The imperium should really invest in chaos rehab service

[@wanjanechtangroeger]

No. One bolter shell per heretic is just a lot cheaper.

[@TheHorreK2]

Can you do some videos about some minor/side characters? I think there are some really awesome ones that dont really get the attention they deserve like Astelan of the fallen, who had a really wilde ride as one of the first born Dark Angels or that Thunderwarrior that created a crime empire on terra during the great crusade/horus heresy

[@MrLaz0rz]

Of course heretics can be redeemed, with a bolter.

[@LizardKingTF2Halo174]

Duuuude the plague marine nuke story was so damn cool. "Hey champion, what's up?" "5. 4. 3. 2-" The greater demon: ☹️

[@ssreeser95]

I still like the theory that says the Soul Drinkers are really secret Emperor's Children successors, not corrupted sons of Dorn.

[@jakehearn432]

Or one of the Lost and the damned

[@patchesgaming9139]

it reminds me of that guy in blood pact that was fighting for chaos but seeks redemption but still doesn't like the worship of the emperor or the imperium

[@vontheunknown7982]

They're actually a rumor that Morty is going to be redeemed.

[@tranminh-hm2nk]

He's finally gonna take a shower after 10,000 years?

[@vontheunknown7982]

@@tranminh-hm2nk Actually a elder god that is in nurgle realm that could help him.

[@rexlumontad5644]

@@vontheunknown7982 Isha the Eldar Goddess of Healing who whispered cures of whatever diseases Nurgle cooked up behind his back while in captivity

[@vontheunknown7982]

@@rexlumontad5644 Yes, her he maybe willing to help Morty and return get her out of there.

[@rexlumontad5644]

@@vontheunknown7982 Perhaps she can help Mortarion regain his soul from Nurgle after being freed.

[@killerzillavolt2655]

Mantis space marines are one of my favorite, they were allowed to rejoin and re grown their numbers

[@blacktemplar2982]

What about if you're born into chaos? Like don't they just have giant cults and stuff. So say if someone is picked to be a chaos marine and that's just all they've ever known but for whatever reason they leave and try to join the imperium. I wonder how that would go.

[@theoverpreparerlamenters3r436]

If they don't have tentacles, then they can go with the blackshield route.

[@andrewzhu5394]

blackshield?

[@Kareszkoma]

I'm always surprised at how much I like your videos. They are nice and they make me happy. I'm very glad for the content, and the great work that is put in them.