Can a Marshall Studio Vintage 20W Drive a FULL STACK?

I'm playing a Marshall Studio Vintage SV20H 20W head through a 1971 Marshall Full Stack consisting a two Marshall 1960A and B 4x12 speaker cabinets. I'm investigating how loud this rig is and whether it can keep up with a drummer. I'm playing it with a 1973 Gibson Les Paul Custom.
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[@Turboy65]

I've had lots of fun driving two Marshall 4x12s with a Lead 12. It was adequately loud.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Love the lead12

[@auntjenifer7774]

I like my lead 12 very much but it was the combo Abs was no loud enough in its own so when a MG15 mini stack showed up for cheap I snagged it up and I like it more than the lead 12. The MG15 mini head drives 2 full sized 16 ohm 412 cabinets just fine !

[@qeuqheeg222]

I do the same with a fender pro junior into marshall 4x12..its very loud and crunchs out nicely

[@scotthutchens1556]

@Turboy65 That’s a great little amp. I have the Lead 12 combo. The only thing I don’t like about it is that it doesn’t have much bass even through a 4x12. However, I’ve put the line out from the lead 12 into the effects return jack on amps and got good results.

[@akasgsvirgil9503]

If you are on the endless quest for "tonal nirvana", this man is "North". The reason I say that is because we live in a world where amp modelers, plugins and amp pedals are all the rage. Through his remarkable access to incredible amps, he reminds us what a good tone is and how to get it. If you're a guitar player, this man should be your spirit animal if you want to know where to start when looking for a good tone.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks my friend that’s kind of you!

[@akasgsvirgil9503]

@@JohanSegeborn Very well earned, indeed. Right now, I'm in the market for a tube Marshall. I know I want one of the 20w heads. The information provided in your videos has been absolutely priceless. These amps are not cheap. So. thank you for taking the time and making these great videos! I'm not the only guitar player who finds your channel to be an excellent resource!! 🙂

[@scramblesthedeathdealer]

​@akasgsvirgil9503 Yeah, I'm kicking myself for not grabbing a 1 or 5 watt tube Marshall head when they were cheap.

[@scramblesthedeathdealer]

I record and play in my bedroom

[@edisonkillingelephants]

I'm not as linguistically eloquent in describing my sentiments but you have done a great service with your explanation @akasgsvirgil9503 I have learned more from this channel than the thousands of others I have viewed.

[@RomanRotten]

The best tone from SV20 on KZbin! 🤘🏻As always, Johan!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Makes my day to hear that! Cheers!

[@jcoulter43]

That little dude sounded more than up to the task driving those two big 4x12s! God bless and rock on 👍😎🎸

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks my friend, rock on! 🎸

[@valendis]

Man I don't know how you manage to find new ideas like that so regularly! Alos, you always have the best sound! Love the rawness of it!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks! :-)

[@jmurray911]

I really loved the sound of that Lea Paul through the amp. I’m considering buying one of these and your video and demo was perfect timing. Thanks for these excellent videos.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks, glad to hear it!

[@G5Hohn]

It’s always amazing how much tone is in the cabinets. Those vintage cabs make everything sound great!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Yeah, that’s the main source

[@riangarianga]

I loved the nerding on the microphone position! Last summer I carried out some tests to prepare to make «IR packs» of my speakers (still not done). The main speaker I used for my tests was a G12M Heritage. I unexpectedly got a very clean IR from a small room that doesn't have many reflections, so I tried to dig more on the topic. I have access to a small warehouse in the countryside, surrounded by wheat fields. I carried out an open field test, getting as close as I could to the conditions of an anechoic chamber to prevent reflections and standing waves: it was made on grass, near a pool full of water, on a slight slope going downhill, and the cab always pointing to a wheat field and a bunch of trees full of leaves. It was revealing in the sense that I found out reflections weren't so problematic, but diffraction from the speaker baffle/cab was, and especially any surface behind it caused most of the measurable trouble. The cab position varied between under a porch (at the very edge of it, where it ended, a wall around 2.5 m behind), and 10 m away from the porch. Under the porch there were so many weird diffraction artifacts, close to it (but already outside it) there were just a few, the furthest from it the IR was absolutely clean (but the sound wasn't exciting, it was better in the room, despite artifacts). After I did some small research to improve my amateur knowledge, it turns out that apparently in that small room I unintentionally prevented diffraction by the soft objects around the place where I positioned the cab (sound-absorbing in a way). So I'd consider separating the stack from the wall, and using some sound-absorbing material right behind the cab (even a couple of coats at both sides could work), and that could potentially improve the consistency/definition/smoothness of the sound. Or either my conclusions could be wrong 🤡, I'm still learning.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks man, very interesting feedback! I’ll do more videos on it. Hope to get your input on that too! Cheers

[@TheOtherJohnBrowne]

I haven't checked in on your channel in a while. Just a few seconds into the tones, I struggle to find an explanantion for my behaviour because your tones are as glorious as ever

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks my friend!

[@cmatte82]

I had a zvex nano many years ago. Taught me that you don’t need near as many watts as you might thing. It was 1/2w clean and 1w overdriven and had no problem pushing a 412 to decent jam levels.

[@sonnyseabury4051]

Calling Dr. Love!

[@Mark70609]

Johan must be worth a fortune to have all this gear. I’m glad someone can afford it and show us what we are missing out on. 👍🏼

[@Gerbinger]

Johan, well done again. You have such a great enthusiasm for tone, great work Bub!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks glad to hear it

[@1sttvbn]

You should put out a book on your knowledge of Marshall Johan. I know I’d buy it.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks my friend!

[@bengtjohansson6364]

Great idea!

[@emilrolof]

Amazing sounding rig, perfect sound for recording. 👌 And a job very well done as always! 😊

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Emil! Great to hear that my friend

[@MrSheymie]

Nice and clear, but very punchy and rich. Sounds great.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Great to hear that! Thanks

[@samuelegazzani3804]

Really love your comparison videos , Marshall and Fender .. your channel is the best way to know the tones difference.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks! Really good to hear that!

[@angepozzo6162]

Another very interesting video from Johan ! thanks man you're doing a great job👍

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks man, really good to hear that!

[@dmb70]

Nice Calling Dr Love at 3:00!

[@user-qe4rs4gy9i]

I must admit Johan gets the old fashioned sound from this modern head, loads of attack

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks! Glad to hear it

[@mpwiedemann]

I've had one for years and it quickly became one of my favorite amps to play. They do sound a bit harsh alone, but in a mix or band situation, the sound is just perfect.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Yeah, they fit so nicely in mixes

[@chrisdee5032]

That sounds absolutely glorious!!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Chris!

[@danielsummers4521]

SV20 has zero issues with keeping up with a drummer. I’ve gigged outside with 20 watts and inside at small venues on 5. Sounds amazing!

[@victorbeebe8372]

Johan I walked into a Guitar Center. I seen the JCM 800 20w display. I hit a few notes and it had the tone I want.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Cool! I haven’t played that one yet

[@matthewcasey4795]

Let's face it, we are all in a cult and Johan is our leader.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Hahaha! God forbid

[@apocalypsevoyeur]

*slowly sips glass of Kool Aid* "YES, YES TONEMASTER"

[@claytonthomas9262]

I have an SV20 (with matching 2x12 cab, swapped with greenbacks) absolutely love it, the sounds are there and it is incredibly light very easy to transport. Downside is not loud enough for my band. My drummer is very loud, gunshot snare hits and lots of cymbal wash, there is not enough headroom on this. Also played through my Orange open back 2x12 cab with a blue and green, still not loud enough. Funny thing is at home, the 5 watt setting is loud - not bedroom level at all. It's great for recording and home practice, it has that sound without the hearing loss and noise violations.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Hi! If you put V30 in your 2x12 it’s gonna be loud enough

[@adrianmarsglam]

Last gig I played I used my SV20 with Orange 212 cab faced backwards to reduce feedback and separate the guitar mic from the stage... Volume halfway, loud drummer and cab facing backwards... I could hear it just fine.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Yeah, 2xV30 is pretty efficient. Cheers

[@adrianmarsglam]

I play band rehearsals, gigs and record with these amps. Plenty of volume half way, even with a loud drummer. Great tone!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Cheers Adrian!

[@adrianmarsglam]

@@JohanSegeborn Cheers Johan, all the best! :)

[@bengtjohansson6364]

The Marshall Studio amps are competent, loud and good sounding. Sounds great through that 1960 stack, and I love the '73 LPC. Interesting discussion on the room. Unless you have a proper studio, I think most of us have to accept side effects. Thanks Johan!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Bengt! Yeah good room sound is very much a bonus if you’re not in a controlled environment

[@MichaelSorensen-bl3ec]

I've never had an amp like the SV20H. It's incredible. I run it through a 4x12 cab with two greenbacks and two G12H30s. Most of the time I find I just run it into two speakers, the full quad is nosebleed loud. But wow, it's got the tone!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Cool, yeah those speakers complement each other

[@scotthutchens1556]

I found your graphics of the amp and mic placement very interesting. I really liked whatever combination of mics you had for the brighter more aggressive tones. Sounded very full. I have a Marshall Class 5 combo amp that I like to overdrive that I put through a 2x 12” cabinet with a switch to go between 16 (Class 5 ohmage requirement) and 4 ohms. Also have great results with my Studio 15 through a Marshall 4x 12.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks!

[@dirtcreature1]

I guess it will drive my 68 Basketweave 8x10 then! I'll have to grab one and try it out.

[@garyt3hsna1l82]

I'm really liking these 20 and 30w amp varients.

[@jeffallen3382]

Jason Tong from Headfirst Amplification just posted a video the other day of him modifying one of these amps with the "Jose mod" and it sounds awesome! It would be awesome to hear that through your stack!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Cool! I’ll look for that video

[@auntjenifer7774]

😂 I don't know why everyone is crazy over the "Jose mod" as it's not very pleasing to my ears. I have a big 100 watt Marshall with a Jose mod on.a 3 way. Switch and I really would rather use a DS1 pedal than the Jose mods.

[@jeffallen3382]

@@auntjenifer7774 ok.

[@jamesrobertson5025]

Used to work in a shop where we ran an orange tiny terror through 4x12 and sounded great

[@JohanSegeborn]

I actually even have a video of the micro terror through a 4x12 and I loved it

[@jamesrobertson5025]

@@JohanSegeborn I'll have a butcher's at that

[@stevensonnewberry8724]

You can't go wrong with LP & Marshall combination. The mahogany body & PAF HmBkrs match beautifully together. Thx Johann.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Steven!

[@ER-yq1lc]

My room is very similar in size, 18x16x10, but I have lots of treatment in the room including bass traps in all 4 corners and clouds over the drums and mix position. Treatment really help balance the sound and smooth things out.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Yeah I need some bass traps here

[@justinalexander5288]

Sounded great

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Justin!

[@djhoneylove5710]

YES and well. I have gotten great results.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Glad to hear it

[@scramblesthedeathdealer]

I have an Egnater Tweaker 15 head and an Orange Micro Dark (20w), and split them between an Egnater Rebel 1x12 cabinet and a 15" Fender Bass cab with high frequency horn, I would love a nice Marshall 4×12 or something to experiment with in the studio.

[@eliglor9863]

I plug my Marshall Origin 20H into a 4x12 and 2x12 at the same time and it sounds wonderful! Clean or cranked up into overdrive.

[@thebunn]

Great tones man!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks!

[@ianorourke6320]

It has some killer sound regardless. I think it's plenty loud with the right speakers being used. The room dimensions definitely have a different color.

[@andrewwest7875]

Heck yes it can. Even in 5w mode with one cab I need FX Loop volume drop.. or attenuator.

[@victorbeebe8372]

Aloha Johan! I used a Silver face VibratoChamp w 6L6 a Chandler Tube Driver in front and 2 12" JBL in a Twin. I set it up for clean and sustain. My ears range for quite sometime.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Aloha Victor! Yeah loudness have many sources

[@TheMetalGBG]

I loved my studio vintage but it made total sense for me to trade it for a quad cortex as I have neighbours I need to keep happy

[@JohanSegeborn]

I haven’t played that one actually

[@CarlosPinero-vu9du]

Ace Frehley Rock and Roll Over tone for days!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks! I love Ace!

[@darrellminx5459]

Sounds good to me. Thank you Johan. Just not as.much beef. Greetings from Hawaii. Cheers

[@JohanSegeborn]

Cheers Darrell!

[@RulgertGhostalker]

I have a 5 watt tube amp, I am building a 2X8 cabinet for, that I plan on using for recording.....it will be loud enough for some feedback, without being to difficult to monitor other tracks.

[@Dantettakumi]

I am only a bed room guitar player, have no business of a half stack not to mention a full stack. However i must say i love my SV20H, especially it is really light weight and to be honest, i cannot hear any difference of a vintage one i owned and the small one (at bedroom level, i mean). Lespaul into klon into SV20, happy days

[@badtonestudio]

Rock n roll science! I love it! Rock on 🤘

[@JohanSegeborn]

Rock on! 🤘

[@briancash6035]

would love to see you do video on the prs hdrx series especially the 20

[@JohanSegeborn]

Cool, I’ll read up on it!

[@briancash6035]

@@JohanSegeborn should be right up your alley so to speak since its based on the Marshall Hendrix used at Woodstock

[@user-ws6sf4cl9o]

Sounds great with the 4x12 Cab

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks!

[@mattyobrown]

Mr. Segeborn rules!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks my friend

[@Terribleguitarist89]

You would be surprised just how much mileage you can get with "lower wattage" amps. Hell, my 5 watt tweed champ is ungodly loud when pushed to the magic spot.

[@user-tb9rw7dh2t]

I've been on the fence about getting that 20 watt head for a long time. The wattage ratio per speaker efficiency is way off. I'm sure it still sounds nice, but there's a lot to be said for speaker handling. I've did a lot of experimenting with this with the guidance of a former speaker manufacturer over 25 years ago. Volume and reactive efficiency are two different things. The Blue 🔵 is rated at 15 watts and two of those would be more properly matched to the head. Two ten's or even four ten's like a 1965 cab would be better. I keep thinking, what am I going to run this head through if I pick one up? We're talking 10 watts rms through each speaker. It's like air pressure or water pressure running through a hose diameter. It's odd that Celestion didn't work with them on something more efficient.

[@maxvockner]

Sounds great! Seems like it’s missing some of lower mids of the bigger breatheren. But who knows

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Max!

[@LarsDJ]

First impressions: Great playing as always! I'm not too sure about this, but i feel like the dynamics might be lacking to some extent, and i question if this might be the difference from 20W to 50W or 100W. It's like lead is sometimes as big or bigger than the chords. It's hard to guess because lots of variables like playing or room. I'd actually love a comparison of some sorts.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Lars! Yeah SV works great in a many mix es but it lacks some of the lower end detail of a bigger amp

[@Voodoo66Chile]

Great video Johan but when are you gonna check out the PRS HDRX20? I'd love to hear your take on it thru some vintage cabs! I much preferred the HDRX20 to the SV20H when I owned both.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks! First chance I get!

[@robinstahlbaum9813]

you jave a very unique style and nice tone.. bit bright.. but perfect to cut

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Robin!

[@기타리스트마키]

this set up is most fit for modern studios and live stage.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks, I think so too

[@jkf9167]

More speakers are usually better, even with a small head.

[@bradleyjpaolucci]

Can you do a DSL 20HR video getting the JCM800 tone? You did great with the plexi video!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Hi! I have a couple of DSL20 videos on the channel but I don’t know if anyone did the 800 tone

[@bradleyjpaolucci]

@@JohanSegeborn 800 would be cool!

[@DSTheEngineer86]

6:50 Sensitivity, not efficiency. Sensitivity - how much change in input will translate to how much change in output. In this case, units are dB per 1W, per 1m. efficiency is different - how much of power going in a system translate to power coming out... in percentage.For that matter, this type of speaker is a very inefficient transducer, less than 5%. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudspeaker#Efficiency_vs._sensitivity Thanks for all the informative videos Johan!

[@JJvienneau]

Kick ass!😎

[@JohanSegeborn]

Cheers!

[@the_nondrive_side]

with audio being a log scale the answer would always be a yes. my studio monitors are liking the room mics on both clips. weird soundcloud rappers do a 8d thing where it sounds like they have the microphone ears mic dummy and are recording from something like a JBL bluetooth speaker waving it around behind the head. it's an experience taking many different recordings and blending them is the answer. in room the answer would be moving the speakers around so some are in each modal space. the interesting one for me would be an End Fire cardiod layout

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks, glad to hear that! 😄

[@the_nondrive_side]

@@JohanSegeborn using a '50w" Keyboard amp with a DI out to FOH and a poweredSubwoofer as a Bass Rig has angered a large group of people. including a guy marketing 3-10" aperiodic enclosures with a garbage piezo horn.. my 2-10" smoke most guys rigs and they cry. peavey KBA50 (30 40 and 50 all killers) it's the Bi Amped soft dome tweeter

[@ro307805]

Nice!!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks!

[@mrkite89]

To be honest, my SV20H is loud enough at 5W through a single 4x12 G12H30s cab in certain contexts.

[@geoffnightingale9290]

Try the UAFX Lion through a power amp and a full stack. That would be super interesting! I have it through my Fryette and 4x12 from 1979 (1960B) with Blackbacks (T1281)and it sounds killer!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Cool, I’ll look it up

[@geoffnightingale9290]

@JohanSegeborn it's the best digital version of a SuperLead/SuperBass and the Brown variac Eddie version. It might surprise you. (Still love my JMP) but the digital is very convenient

[@manwaichu4735]

nice video, i would like to ask, how to connect two speaker cabs into one amp head?

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks, the amp has multiple speaker output jacks for that

[@rikardlundgren7779]

If it’s possible try to get 3 full stacks driven by lead 12s just as an experiment!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Hahaha! Let’s do that 😂

[@psychorock83]

i would like to hear how it sounds and silver jubilee 50w on those two cabs compared with slp50 or jcm800 50w

[@JohanSegeborn]

I’ve compared these 3 series in other videos so check those out

[@traineecanuck]

Next challenge. DSL 1 head through a full stack.

[@astraplaneta4656]

Hi Johan have you ever compared using an amp with a half stack vs a full stack? I've always wondered if there is a tonal difference.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Yeah absolutely, kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6GbqppnZ9Oqrac

[@ddongjun72]

Hi Johan, which power tubes were in this SV20, EL34 or KT66? Greetings from Berlin, Sung.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Hi! The Original EL34. But I actually did a video with vintage GEC KT66 in it too! Cheers

[@mauti8550]

Cool😊

[@JohanSegeborn]

Cheers!

[@eddieholmes3236]

Perfect Les Paul + Marshall combination? Just wondering - have you tried the Studio JTM?

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks Eddie! Actually I haven’t. Haven’t heard from Marshall.

[@dezionlion]

My question is how do you do it when you’re head had one output and you want to plug in both cabs?

[@JohanSegeborn]

Then you have to wire cabs together

[@jonny420247]

The amp sounds great, but how did he use his phone as a microphone while recording from a computer?

[@JohanSegeborn]

Synced in post as I’m sure you know Jonny! Cheers

[@robertprice5039]

I know I have no issues with my 20 Watt Friedman Dirty Shirley Mini driving one 4x12 Marshall Cab with four Creamback 65s in it.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Great amp

[@PhillipMoita]

Can you do the same with the new Marshall Studio JTM ST20H Head, please?? Best regards

[@JohanSegeborn]

Hi! I’d love to but I haven’t had any contact with Marshall on that one yet

[@PhillipMoita]

@@JohanSegeborn When you get access to the new JTM Studio, don't forget to make this video. It must be brutal to hear that model in that room. Not on the computer (IR's) like the others do. Again, Regards

[@chrislangdell117]

Sounds like it's starving for power in many areas. Could be the recording but your audio recording is usually really good.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks, of course the umpf is gonna be suppressed at times

[@psychorock83]

the problem with db and watts, doubling the number of watts you don't have 3 db more because 3 db more is double volume, and i m afraid is not like that to my knowledge.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Maybe I misspoke, +3dB for every doubling of power (wattage)

[@MrApprobatur]

Du är fan bäst. Får man spela in med dig på nåt sätt?❤ /Kille från Sveriges baksida

[@JohanSegeborn]

Tack! Gott att höra. Jag kan säkert hjälpa till på något sätt.

[@Duracellmumus]

Sounds ‘sick’ because u can drive the well the amp to the full tone and fantastic how stay round and silk in same time. Like how an english gentleman can be angry and how satisfying to see when he kick some asses.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks! Glad you like the tone

[@ethanmeloncolliecaravan]

Yeah sounds killer… but what the FRICK is that marshall cab to the right of your full stack? Is that a 4x15 cab or something? It looks huge!

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks! Yeah that’s a 1972 Marshall 4x15 model 1979A

[@pakujewpiwnicy6701]

record such a test with Marshall Studio JTM ST20H

[@JohanSegeborn]

I’d love to!

[@vinnieramone4818]

I refuse to believe that the ONLY thing that matters is the speakers. Despite the fact that every bit of evidence I've seen so far seems to point in that direction

[@JohanSegeborn]

The amp is very important for dynamics and relative loudness of strings and sub set of strings. The speakers are just a filter actually. But still extremely important

[@user-ws6sf4cl9o]

Ya.... i would like to point it at the drummer ! 😄

[@JohanSegeborn]

😂

[@doktorrock873]

My goal in life is to be more like Johan Sageborn. I'll start with the accent, the rest will just fall into place.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Hahaha! You have to aim much higher 😂

[@jaycee30865]

Yo. Han. I am not your sister from Yemen. I already agree with hell yes.

[@funhousebaby3104]

Back of the net. Top teir patter

[@JohanSegeborn]

Cheers 😂

[@matthewperry6506]

Wattage and loudness ain't linear, twice as loud takes ten times the wattage eg.. 200 watts will be twice as loud (10db's) as 20 watts, 40watts is just perceivably louder (3db's) than 20 watts.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Yeah indeed

[@JimiHendrixEX]

Ońe of better amps that have that spirit of last past and not ruin your walllet

[@JohanSegeborn]

Indeed!

[@erickaufmancustomguitars1351]

Why didn't you jumper channels? Or at least try the bass channel ? Its like half a demo of the amp..., but thanks.

[@JohanSegeborn]

The purpose of this video was to see if it could drive a stack and it could. I have a bunch of other videos on SV too

[@georgejetson1923]

Too much speaker, sounds a little light in the loafers.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Yeah it’s an art to blend the room sound

[@BradPham]

That 20w amp sounds big through the 4x12. I may be stating the obvious but those Marshall 20w studio amps have a tendency to lack body. Not so here.

[@JohanSegeborn]

Thanks, yeah the bottom comes from loudness and the cabs, the bass knob is dialled back a bit

[@BradPham]

@@JohanSegeborn Thank you.

[@geckomacabre]

yeah that 20w doesnt sound good...

[@JohanSegeborn]

Do elaborate, otherwise I don’t learn anything from your comment