Can a Retired Oval Go Kart Outperform a New Tillotson T4 Racing Kart? 3 Way Track Shootout!

[@TXH1138]

Should have had the same tires. We would have gotten a better comparison of the kart performance.

[@ThePower1037]

That old cart had too much tire in the rear.

[@s2wheels]

I definitely agree, should've all had the same tires.

[@ValenGR86]

@@ThePower1037 WIDE

[@huntermcnair7172]

Tire set up on the flat cart is for ovals which is why the right sides are so much larger. It's made to turn left. Put em on the same tires and run em like that.

[@Chuckdiesel86]

It also needs weight on the right side. The seat is farther to the left on oval karts. What I wanna see is the circle kart motor on the road kart, it makes more sense because if you modify the circle kart to turn right you're basically just turning it into the road kart but worse.

[@Zachmaas64]

I think we are seeing mostly a difference in tires on these carts would love to see Charles Kart get the same tires as the t4. We use to run circle karts on road courses all the time.

[@hybiepoo]

Agreed - I think unless you're running the same tyres on each kart, you're not really determining much at all. You could just see charles' kart had very little grip on any demanding corner.

[@deangiacopassi1951]

What do you do to get an oval kart to turn right?

[@bumpedhishead636]

Yup, my first thought was the same - I'm guessing the tires on Charles' kart were old, he had no grip.

[@verigone2677]

@@deangiacopassi1951 either shorten your right front suspension or lengthen your left front slightly for a start, those carts are setup assymetrical so that they always kind of pull a little left, let's you brake later and back on full throttle faster in the turns, since you know they are all the same direction. If you know how to fabricate, then you can do it all yourself with some scrap metal and what's already there, or for $100 - 200 you can get new hubs and parts to have a more even front suspension then another $100 to have someone fab any alterations if you don't know how to do that part.

[@CarsandCameras]

Happy Independence Day!!

[@austinisaperson6093]

Hell yeah, brother!

[@tophernuttle420]

Happy 4th Ol Sons.... Hope it's a great one for both You and Yours...Thanks for all the great content our Guys!!

[@Wolfpackracing8]

Right back at you guys

[@ryandoesit5407]

Here is a question for you guys to rattle your mechanical brains? On a dual carb setup on a motorcycle 🏍 if one air intake vacuum hose nipple is plugged permanently on the left carb do you plug the opposite carb in the same place to make it run🤔 Let me know lol that's what I'm trying to figure out . Or do you use plugs in all vacuum lines 🤔 help a brother out Ike

[@stevemacdaddy9909]

Happy 4th of July guys. Great video. Looked fun as hell.

[@FangOfTruth]

I wonder if Charles’s kart would do a faster time going in the opposite direction on the track.

[@glenncaughey5044]

Don’t we all? 😁

[@backcountryme]

Or if he had good tires.

[@scottdoubleyou563]

Or both...😎

[@cro-thehacker7018]

Good tires would make it turn lol

[@PabloFernandez-uf7ci]

imo this video was a sell out. They're obviously sponsored by that company and you can tell that they were just showcasing it and making the othwr karts seem so much worse when the built one is obviously the best, they used a cheap excuse and say it vibrated too much. But again it may just be a bad speculation on my part

[@bryduhbikeguy]

I liked the format of all onscreen at the same time.In helmet mics was a really great idea too.Thanks for the fun guys.All 3 of you need to work on Charles' cart and build it to track everywhere.You could certainly here it get up and go,but not go where you want.Happy 4th to Everyone !!

[@MarkMarvin1983]

I liked that you guys could talk to each other while racing.

[@ronniepate4315]

That was cool

[@jpoplin1]

John the Kart stig!

[@spikeofdeath95]

Been watching for 6 years now and it never gets old

[@spyder7758]

Happy 4th! Thanks for posting today

[@GeorgiaGrowGuy]

it takes a long time to put these together, thats a compliment not a complaint. Cheers

[@koljag5]

The editing was perfect on this.

[@hardnaaklife]

I feel like Charles' kart would be fine with some new, sticky rear tires. The front end was holding fine, but the rear would just slide. It's got a straight rear axle, so there's no adjustment there. Seems like the front end was OK, but may need an alignment to make it a bit less twitchy. I'd like to see a rematch after the $500 kart gets new shoes.

[@timothymilam732]

I agree 150% , otherwise, he'd have smoked the ringer by such a large margin that I honestly feel he'd have lapped Ike easily. But he was chumped for sponsorship sake, I believe that to be the reason things were the way they were. Charles is an old dirt track racer from way back, and he's actually the best one at the majority of the little events they preform for the channel. Very obvious when you watch him when Ike's ego isn't around to be bruised by being second best because being one of the senior members. Not that I have anything against him, but it was very obvious when Charles joined full-time insecurities were getting to Ike

[@T34theAmericanheavy]

@@timothymilam732 I noticed that too, ike is far more harsh towards Charles than john

[@rimfire2642]

Charles should mod that cart unless he wants to keep it for ovals (which seems like it wouldn't be that great). Stretch the wheelbase and maybe try to get the weight distribution closer L/R.

[@janeames1513]

they still run those exact karts here in talladega...those are called "heavy" karts..so yeah they are still that great

[@rimfire2642]

@@janeames1513 It looks like something that would be for very small oval, and probably not a 25hp engine based on the wheelbase. I don't know, maybe it just needs some better (new) tires?

[@boominS10]

Definitely. An alignment and new tires would help a lot.

[@bluenugget5658]

And maybe a spoiler

[@frankgeimer5952]

Good racing guys! I think Charles's gocart needs some serius repairs and upgrades if it is going to compete. Thanks for the show! I enjoyed it a lot!

[@stevenlorcher-bond6897]

I race the oval karts, the facts is is that it just isn’t designed to do tight corners off the gas. It likes it fast and shallow, and ofc left😂

[@michaeltraughber5246]

Happy 4th guys, y'all rock.

[@nutdough]

Every episode....EVERY EPISODE....needs to end with a quote from the "Book of Charles".... .....one legged guy in a butt kicking contest..........

[@efrembolden7892]

A one-legged man in a butt kicking contest lol

[@mxwizzard]

I love these types of videos please keep them coming and maybe fix up Charles's go kart and rerun the test

[@ronniepate4315]

You guys just keep getting better . Loving the content .

[@politican4thepeople303]

Love all the videos I watched so far.....I know I live in OCMD and grew up riding dirtbikes and go Karts......My Last dirtbike was a KX100 and I had to sell everything living where I do now...So you guys remind me of myself when I was younger. Also the fun you guys have with each other...Keep it going and can't wait to watch more.

[@TRAKsportsTV]

Love the Karting content on a proper track!🙏🏻 I understand the comments about "fixing up" Charles' kart but the message here is about "getting what you pay for" and what to expect on a track.... That T4 people dont realize how much of a great price it is when comparing all factors of getting into Pro-Karting

[@cravenmoorehead5636]

Well you do get what you pay for but we are talking apples to oranges to bananas on this video. That LTO with a genuine american Briggs like it has wasnt a bargain buy in 2013 by no stretch of the imagination. Think about it like an F1, a indy and a nascar. They are fast at their own game. Unfortunately for the oval they put it in the wrong sand box.

[@FloridaMan0561]

I gotta say that y’all have balls of steel and absolutely no fear when it comes to y’all riding/driving these death trap builds you create!

[@Invincibletro]

I raced karts for about 12 years... 20 years ago... Karts used the frame for torsion suspension so to remain competitive at the highest levels, karts are usually replaced every year or two. They'd also get fractionally lighter and have track tuned engines and gearing. Sometimes we would tap-out mid straight, but our out-of-corner acceleration would make up the difference.

[@joshbuell7933]

Love the triple screen cut to see the laps at the same time.

[@thefishingchannel3192]

Hey guy's, I just wanna say thank you for providing great content throughout the years. I know these videos take time and a lot of work. Glad I could see you guys progress with videos from before to now.

[@jamesratliff9760]

Happy 4th to all the c@c crew. And every one that watches this video. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🎉🎉🎉✌

[@85superchris]

yall are doing great on your presentation and delivery of content. the challenge style will never get old

[@TheRoulette77]

start adding banks to your home dirt course... you guys should each build your own Tillerson 9000 RPM mini Outlaws !!!

[@gokarting1018]

I want to see the dirt kart race the dirt oval again

[@earlsinoz]

Charles and his witty comments cracks me up..lol, another great video guys, nice work!

[@WyFoster]

Not bad, for a yard kart (That cost me more to build than my T4) 😂

[@josephhowie1763]

It’s because the older kart is an offset oval kart chassis vs the centered chassis for tracks setup like GP

[@AFFMotorsport]

The T4 combo is a great chassis/Engine set up, sort the geraring, a few set up adjustments and they are quick for a stock 4 banger.

[@focustuner10]

I would like to see Charles cart vs the tillitson again except do a refresh on Charles kart first. New tires, brakes, alignment, ect. Get it set up for road course with the same engine and go again. That engine and gearing seemed perfect for the kart but it just wasnt set up for asphalt.

[@jshkohler]

So, the abandoned go kart, yea that isn't made for asphalt tracks. Its more of a dirt oval kart. Also, I know people are gonna question me, "How do you know?". I have a brother who owns 8 of them, runs them in many different series and I work on them. The fat tires on the back are meant for better grip on dirt. The engine that he has on there is for the small younger kids who are just starting out in karts. The bigger engines need a high powered electric gun to start them and each class of dirt kart has to meet weight restrictions. You can add weight to the karts. Wouldn't recommend using a dirt kart on asphalt, but hey, its your kart you do what you want with it.

[@tophermatic4528]

Charles needs some fresh stickers.

[@danielbohn7461]

Editing was spot on. Seems to fit the time line the best.

[@ZipTieTyler]

love you guys!

[@danf4616]

The Isaac beard situation is very confusing! 😁 Just kidding, thanks for the vids! 😎

[@joshburroughs1740]

Charles is a riot. A great addition to the channel

[@justinduffey9237]

I really enjoyed the three different screens at one time.

[@47MasoN47]

I'm so glad Charles joined you guys. He's hilarious and I can tell he's getting more and more comfortable with each episode. Look forward to seeing more T4 content! Love the built carts and seeing you guys do sketchy stuff of course, but I'd definitely be down to see some more track time episodes.

[@jasonmerrell5382]

Loved seeing the side by side by side comparison, great job!

[@EJ-74]

Love the Gocart Track Content 🔥👍 Happy 4th 🎉🎊🎉🎊✌️

[@rickhewitt8588]

Having all three at the track keeps it great! Ringo to ya!

[@davideldridge8333]

Them old hard dirt tires are the problem good video none the less

[@fieldinglover]

Time for a test of tires and a different setup to make Charles cart into a Monster Cart !

[@lsh6707]

Love the sociaal felling you give. And the fun you have.

[@krakhedd]

This editing & format worked well

[@revvychevvy43]

Holy crap im early love the videos guys keep up the good work

[@miketee2444]

I'm kinda glad all we had in my town was an old dirt track maintained by random drivers that showed up on the wknds. I had an old Margay with a huge McCulloch on it. The style was much different. Completely crossed up with two rooster tails coming off each tire through the corners. Back then our Yamaha shop sold a Yamie cart with a 100 or 125 on it. My chain saw motor would smoke the Yamaha fairly easily and four strokes didn't have a chance.

[@gingertimelord5]

Don't change a thing, the content is honest and awesome

[@handyhippie6548]

charles' cart needs some new, sticky tires and some weight redistribution. i think then he would be king of this track. that beat up old cart must have really been something in it's day. from the lap times you can tell a few things, john weighs the least, charles is the most cautious, and if they were all in similar carts, with similar weights, ike would come out on top. he's got the skill and fearlessness to be a really good race driver. this format works so far, but if you are going to be doing a lot of this, you might want to get a couple more cameras on tripods set up at different points on the track to capture the action better. if they were remote controlled with powered tilt, pan and zoom functions, with some practice one cameraman could operate the entire set up from a central location. install the entire control system in one of those large road cases on wheels that bands use for concerts, then system set up and tear down would be quick and simple, plus it would protect the expensive function control electronics and video switching systems from damage. if you also integrated a dvr with editing software into the system, you would then have an all in one unit to capture, record and edit anything you wanted to make a video of at your home base, or on location, and since you have made this a full time gig, it would be a worthwhile investment into your production company. bonus, with a little time spent in research, prolly right here on youtube, you could build the whole thing yourselves, and turn the build into a d.i.y. video series, you are named cars AND cameras after all. with a rig like that, you could prolly even make some extra money on the side filming other events such as weddings, parades, car shows, commercials for local businesses and the like, once you got the hang of operating the system. the world would be your oyster, the only thing holding you back would be limits of your imagination.

[@NVSRides]

Looked like a really good time. Thanks for sharing your adventures.

[@nathan.t47]

There’s no real competition with Charles’s oval kart on old, crappy tires vs a brand new sprint kart. If you buy some decent tires and adjust the stagger and suspension setup on the oval kart it should make for a more interesting race. Love what you guys do tho, keep it up!

[@jaxon_racing]

the tiliston would always win since it is a 225cc 4-stroke while the oval kart is a 206cc 4-stroke

[@giannamolinari3065]

The format i like it at it is really.

[@Slow_d41]

One of my all time favorite cart tracks

[@oldcars46]

You need to rebuild the front end on Charles cart

[@danielmott8830]

Love the content John! I did not care for the three screens approach and I just ended up watching one of the screens anyway. Keep up the good work!

[@joshcoker88]

Love the race cart content, you guys are doing a great job!!!

[@mrgmc6314]

I loved the 3 screen shoot outs ...

[@Troygehring]

Happy 4th of July boys!

[@thedr309]

if you put a little effort into Charles cart it would handle with the best of them, things like tire pressure, caster camber, toe in, all are factors you seem to ignore. but one thing I did learn in this video... John has no idea what so ever what the apex of a corner is... lmao Ike just having fun, and Charles is like a fat kid in a candy store he is just happy to be there...

[@FarmerFpv]

John knows what an APEX is as he is a retired cart racer. Not sure what video you were watching but John was hitting the APEX and is faster than both Charles & Ike by a large margin. On all three carts.

[@olekaarvaag9405]

Love the content from this track. You guys should invest in tires one day. Like go wild and buy as many sets possible. Every build in the future would thank you. Did he say 'one legged man in a butt kicking contest'?

[@peterherrington3300]

Yes he did. Love his sense of humour

[@JohnHill-jm7tm]

Always a great video guys. This Old Man from Washington NC enjoying white taking a break. Isaac enjoyed talking to you yesterday. Love you Guys. 🛵🧔💝💝💝

[@ncwarrior62]

Great video Kudos to John nice to see you front n center racing in the carts!! Charles n Issac you guys are awesome always challenging n pushing equipment!!

[@jamesgnarkill3112]

Yeah matching tires is a must have!!!..loved the content guys!!!

[@damien523]

Now test them all on oval racing

[@GeorgiaRidgerunner]

The way you did the the driving sections is cool with me it reminded of the intro to the original gran turismo itwould be cool if there was drone shots too

[@garymorel1882]

What was wrong with the gearing where you running out of top end or slow acceleration?

[@steveroach4282]

With the right gearing Charles's kart would be right there with the tillostonkart !!!!! I feel !!!

[@frankw8315]

Awesome like always guys

[@GooseGosselin]

Nice laps John, even nicer editing! FWIW though, we're all here because of the content and the chemistry you guys have, you don't have to go Hollywood to impress us. A lil jankiness is welcomed.

[@dankdabby826]

John is just naturally gifted on the wheel

[@BobbyOfEarth]

First thing I noticed was the axle width of the pretty kart, seems much wider by six inches than the tires/axles on the black kart. Huge advantage...

[@northwestrider369]

I left a VIR kart in the grass at the end of the backstretch once because on the cool down lap that no one ever uses as a cool down, one of the front spindles broke. I waited, and even waved my arms, but the track crew teenagers never saw me or realized one of their karts didn’t come back and they sent the next group out. So I hopped the fence so I was out of the way, walked back with the helmet and set it back in the rack. The track crew was looking at me funny, so I quickly said the steering had broke and they could find their kart over in the corner. Then walked out. Since it happened on the cool down lap of my second session, it was still a fun time though. Nothing like a group of racers at a rental kart track.

[@ComicalChickenLife]

You need a blooper video!

[@FarmerFpv]

John is whooping butt on all three Karts! He bombs it peddle to the metal, lol. Let's Go, John! Happy 4th of July, guys!

[@BustedKnucklesBuildsTexas]

Great video guys !!

[@countrychase3873]

Love seeing all three views at the same time.

[@MrBenstero]

I like the 3 views at the same time idea, also maybe new tires on the yard kart and test it again for comparison. Def want to see more of that T4 for sure!

[@overyonderjustapiece]

Put brand new tires on Charles’ cart, fix the suspension, PAINT THE BODY ONE COLOR, and run it against the T4 again but with different gearing on the T4 to help with acceleration. But also try a race from a stand still.

[@brianwelteroth9248]

The VIR go karting track is indeed the best time karting ive had. Def. recommend it.

[@JohnMGibby]

Great video and looks like you guys had a ton of fun. John, IMO your videos have more draw to them when you can convey how much fun you are having. That said, I really enjoyed the tri-split screen showing fastest of each of your laps. This would have also been a great opportunity to have some drone chase footage.

[@kyleevink3294]

Will we ever get to see another video of the Kei truck?

[@Chris-cq5dy]

Great show great challenge great content

[@davidblalock9945]

Happy 4th! And please be respectful with your celebrations.

[@firemarshallbill911]

John's always a Savage! Balls to the wall in everything...... I'm the same haha

[@lil.mountenlighting7682]

that looks like fun i would love to get my yz125 cart out there

[@Jukeboxkcnsd]

I think you guys need to throw some money at the old Charles kart and see how it does ..I bet just a new set of shoes would find it 2 seconds....just saying 🤔

[@darploin5071]

Sorry I didn't watch this video yesterday but I was doing 4th of July things with my friends. Tuesday I'm able to watch this and give him my undivided attention have an excellent day and I hope you had an excellent forth

[@bigred35089]

I'm not a fan of the three in one shot. I know it makes the video longer but I like the one on one video. Thanks for the content.

[@Noprivacy666]

John killed your guys driving. It wasn’t even close. Good job John.

[@MayheM_72]

Chuck's kart is just like Ricky Bobby! It goes fast, and turns left!

[@Ty-bz7zx]

New cart with brand new tires vrs old cart with old crappy tires .. on pavement ... It's a no brainer =)

[@cavemanvi]

The split screen was a great idea. Although the audio was confusing. Maybe make the audio come from the fastest time and making that one a bit bigger?

[@shakyhandpictures2185]

Great day at work!

[@davidowen888]

Best Day ever at work 👍

[@toddabbott781]

The blue cart has smaller tires. That blue cart is likely half the weight. If he ditched that heavy shell on the yard kart, fixed the suspension and put some new tires on it, it likely would have outdone the others. It seemed to have the best gearing and power combination.