Can a Ritchey Outback ride like a Ritchey Road Logic?

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George Vargas

George Vargas

Күн бұрын

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@brasstinmancrazy
@brasstinmancrazy 26 күн бұрын
I did a 200km mixed 22% gravel and road ride on my Outback (650bx48 Rene Herse Switchback Hill) and you can feel the weight and the out of the saddle etc, everything you mentioned. Seated efforts are good on the Outback. I enjoy riding my Swiss Cross (700x38) on long distances, as you mentioned it's more road like, just wish it had a 420-425 chain stay so out of the saddle efforts were more direct. I'm going to throw some 700x32 on the Swiss Cross and see how it feels on longer rides.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
@SeeYouUpTheRoad 26 күн бұрын
Yes seated the Outback felt great. I dare say the longer you ride the Outback the more you will just get used to it. Additionally, if you don't have a Road Logic to compare and contrast your Outback with then you won't know what you don't know. I have a Swiss Cross Canti it's been a long time since I have done any long mileage on it. I should do that for my next video comparison. Cheers
@MrSandperson0
@MrSandperson0 22 күн бұрын
What a beautiful memorial! Thank you for sharing and honoring the veterans who sacrificed their lives for us ❤
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
@SeeYouUpTheRoad 20 күн бұрын
And thanks for watching John!
@brandonsouba
@brandonsouba 26 күн бұрын
It seems like it’s about finding the right bike for the rides you like to do - and if you are more road oriented then any of these gravel bikes are going to be more sluggish when compared. The Outback is also built to handle some loads - check out the down tube diameter in comparison to your road logic. The last difference is riding position - the Outback / Ascent are a bit different than the Logic / Swiss Cross. I was interested in the Montebello just because my flexibility isn’t that great and riding in the drops is challenging for me - so something with more stack would likely help. Anyways, I don’t ride nearly as much or as a far as you and appreciate your perspective and ride footage from beautiful SD. Thanks George!
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
@SeeYouUpTheRoad 26 күн бұрын
Hello Brandon long time no see :-) Yes I forgot to mention the load carrying capacity of the Outback and why the slacker head angle and longer chain stay is welcomed there. Those with large feet will avoid hitting their panniers on the longer chainstays. The Montebello has a very good stack height for those that need it. I'm still wondering if I will add it to my bike stable. I'm still flexible and young enough to like more road oriented bikes as opposed to endurance geometry.
@chamfly5783
@chamfly5783 26 күн бұрын
Very moving George, thank you for sharing this memorial with us, much respect. On a very trivial note, I love my 2015 Road Logic.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
@SeeYouUpTheRoad 26 күн бұрын
@@chamfly5783 Thank You for watching! What color is your 2015?
@chamfly5783
@chamfly5783 26 күн бұрын
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad It's the classic gray.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
@SeeYouUpTheRoad 26 күн бұрын
@ Thank You ! I’m trying to figure out how long the classic grey sold for.
@simonroberts8469
@simonroberts8469 26 күн бұрын
Hi George, agreed 100%. As you say it’s very much environment specific. I live in Cheshire in the UK. We are blessed with a multitude of likely ancient paved back roads relatively infrequently used by vehicles but favoured by cyclists. Unfortunately these are crumbling away due to a chronic lack of maintenance. Potholes and broken surfaces are now the norm, stretches of our roads are often rougher than the unpaved canal paths. My road bike is now very rarely used. I use a compliant titanium rim braked Audax bike with sturdy hand built wheels and 34/35mm tyres. Horses for courses. Even this seems shy on occasions, I’d undoubtedly be more comfortable on a wider tyre if my bicycle had more clearance.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
@SeeYouUpTheRoad 26 күн бұрын
Hello Simon the "roads" sound perfect for big tire riding. The Outback with 48mm tires would be perfectly at home on these roads. Road bikes for road and Gravel bikes for non-roads :-)
@Livitt351
@Livitt351 13 күн бұрын
Get a hardtail mtb, I promise you'll never look back!
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
@SeeYouUpTheRoad 13 күн бұрын
@@Livitt351 ha ha my goal in life is to never own or ride a MTB 😂 I’m a roadie the last thing I want to do is spend money on something that takes me away from riding road 😂 of course if someone gave me on for free I’d ride 🤣
@Livitt351
@Livitt351 13 күн бұрын
@SeeYouUpTheRoad I'm a roadie too, but after using a friend's carbon hardtail on gravel and being on the wrong side of 40 I bought one and never looked back!
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
@SeeYouUpTheRoad 13 күн бұрын
⁠​​⁠nice good for you! If you knew me better you would realize how crazy of a suggestion that is to someone like me 😂😂😂😂 (I will never and I mean never own a MTB I hate them every time I have to test ride them at the shop 😂)
@Timcompton-rt4rx
@Timcompton-rt4rx 26 күн бұрын
Happy Thanksgiving ! and Yes, Freedom isn't Free !! Nice vid George
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
@SeeYouUpTheRoad 26 күн бұрын
Thanks for watching Tim! Freedom isn't free - redux
@michaelpayne8337
@michaelpayne8337 26 күн бұрын
I ride the same 50th Anniversary Outback with a Chorus group. 50/34 and 11/29. I have another chain (connex) and an 11/34 in case of 100% gravel and gradient. Chain length is an issue with a true road set up in these bikes due to chainstay length. I run 700x45 tires because it is a gravel bike. And that is pretty close to dead on my road gearing with 53/39; 11/24,26 with 700x25 tires. I have a ‘98 Road Logic with 1” headtube. That is a bike I would ride on anything. And while I agree with most of your points, one thing I can add is that there is a ride quality between these two disparate bikes made years apart by Ritchey. Call it a magic carpet ride, or whatever. But they share that quality, and however I slice it up mentally it adds up to either bike being a wonderful place to spend long rides. Never a complaint with either. Only thing I didn’t like was a 1x gravel group in the Outback, but that’s another thing entirely.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
@SeeYouUpTheRoad 26 күн бұрын
@@michaelpayne8337 I wish I would have made it more clear in the video. The ride quality is exceptional in both bikes. Thanks for bringing that up.
@n22pdf
@n22pdf 26 күн бұрын
Lovely ride George.. great to hear your ride experience of the Outback but also your local knowledge and marine core career, scenery and views looks amazing.. 😊❤ Pete 🚴🏻👍
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
@SeeYouUpTheRoad 26 күн бұрын
Thanks for watching Pete and always being so positive and supportive!
@lenkomsa1399
@lenkomsa1399 26 күн бұрын
Outstanding video. Thank you George
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
@SeeYouUpTheRoad 26 күн бұрын
You’re Welcome and thanks for watching!
@carlpentney290
@carlpentney290 25 күн бұрын
We've just gone passed our period of remembrance in the UK. This was a very touching video.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
@SeeYouUpTheRoad 25 күн бұрын
Yes we did too. November 10th is the US Marine Corps birthday. November 11 is Veterans Day. Thanks for watching
@bb-r5710
@bb-r5710 26 күн бұрын
Nice video. Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family. Tell Jess, hello and Happy Thanksgiving❤ Thank you for your service.😊
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
@SeeYouUpTheRoad 26 күн бұрын
Right back at ya!!
@DonkeysRChaos
@DonkeysRChaos 26 күн бұрын
It's good to see you ride, Mr. George.😊
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
@SeeYouUpTheRoad 26 күн бұрын
@@DonkeysRChaos thanks for watching!
@davidthein1158
@davidthein1158 23 күн бұрын
Great video George! This was my experience to a T riding my Outback on a long climbing ride.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
@SeeYouUpTheRoad 23 күн бұрын
@@davidthein1158 I thought of you the entire time 😂
@jayobannon5359
@jayobannon5359 26 күн бұрын
Very nice what they did up there on Soledad with the memorial. As for high energy solid foods, over in Hawaii we bring poi balls.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
@SeeYouUpTheRoad 26 күн бұрын
Thanks for watching Jay! Do these look authentic? How hard is it to find the ingredients here? kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4i4gKCtpc14q9ksi=JOHT5ljPUqBUlrVN
@Michael-s5i5j
@Michael-s5i5j 26 күн бұрын
Great vid George,you’re my fave tuber
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
@SeeYouUpTheRoad 25 күн бұрын
Wow, thanks! ❤
@RafaSplanB
@RafaSplanB 26 күн бұрын
Ol' Soledad climb..I moved from SD to Mexico City about a year ago, sure miss that climb. However altitude and climbs in CDMX are no joke. BTW I ride a Fairlight Secan 2.5 (gravel) and a Fairlight Strael 3.0 for road, lov'em! Cheers!
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
@SeeYouUpTheRoad 26 күн бұрын
Thanks for watching from Mexico!
@kivriel2660
@kivriel2660 26 күн бұрын
Wow! Great to see the potato. Potatoes are not only great food but super food. Full of carbs! Perfect, I will try myself.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
@SeeYouUpTheRoad 26 күн бұрын
and super satisfying while out on the road! Thanks for watching let me know what you think when you try it.
@scottwelfare7311
@scottwelfare7311 26 күн бұрын
I enjoyed watching your video. But tyres, here in the UK for riding on the road, the wider the better. I'd say the roads here in the UK rate quite highly amongst the worst in the world, they are absolutely dreadful. I would love to experience the smooth tarmac that you get to enjoy and also the lovely weather you have too.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
@SeeYouUpTheRoad 26 күн бұрын
Fair enough! We pay a lot of taxes in California but it’s worth it for the super smooth tarmac. Thanks for watching from the UK!
@martinshortt7750
@martinshortt7750 17 күн бұрын
I would have to agreed with you Scott. Down here in Surrey i'm running 45s on my dropbar Krampus gravelish bike (I really need a propper road / gravel bike - hence looking at Outback / Montebello reviews) and wouldn't want to go much smaller.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
@SeeYouUpTheRoad 17 күн бұрын
⁠@@martinshortt7750thanks for watching Martin. If you want a more road like feel the Swiss Cross will allow 40mm tires. The Outback will allow 48mm. The Montebello is designed for 40mm without mudguards. It will be shy of the 45 you are currently running. There is a silver lining in all of this. What I’ve noticed is the Outback feels better on the road with larger tire sizes. I’ll have to put on some 48mm slicks and do another video.
@nickporter3531
@nickporter3531 26 күн бұрын
The roads that you have available make a big difference to what tires you run I think. Although on my Disc Logic I run nominally 32mm (34mm on the wheels) and that is perfectly fine for the poor roads of Wiltshire in the UK. Although I do have a steel rando bike with 42mm x 650b tires that I when tackling road/gravel mix. And again it depends on the gravel - at this time of year there is an awful lot of mud and muck around and I have 2.2” X country MTB tires in my dedicated gravel bike. Personally, my experience is that a 32mm (or there abouts on a road bike is nice - a good balance between comfort (which you can’t underestimate) and outright speed. Although I sometimes wonder if the wider tires on Carbon bikes are there to deal with road chatter?
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
@SeeYouUpTheRoad 26 күн бұрын
Hello Nick thanks for watching from the UK! I agree 100% on the roads you are provided or the roads you choose to ride will determine the tire size you need and ultimately the bike you need to ride. The Outback is very well suited to handle let's say 45mm tires with room for mud, not too much mind you. But dry riding in chunky stuff you can fit 48mm and still have room left over for sand and dirt. 2.2" tires sound awesome for the chunky stuff! Our tarmac is pristine here so it isn't necessary to ride 32+ tires but it is much more comfortable so there is that :-)
@sccxvelo
@sccxvelo 25 күн бұрын
Honor thoes paid for our freedoms. CX background so rode 28-32 slicks or throw on old CX tire at 35mm for rides way before it became popular to do so. So used to race width tires. Road tires sweet spot 25-32 depending on road conditions. Any more is too much for most rides unless super long or rough days. Bike frame companies are calling their old CX bike their road bike now days with minor tweaks to it.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
@SeeYouUpTheRoad 25 күн бұрын
I agree!
@hotrodjoey50jo
@hotrodjoey50jo 14 күн бұрын
Thanks for all the Ritchey info. I think I am sold on the Road Logic. I ride a Specialized S-works Roubaix, I am about to turn 65, and I AM DONE...with carbon. I built up a Ritchey Ascent about 7 years ago for a gravel bike...for the last year or so I don't even ride the carbon bike anymore...too harsh! The roads here in Texas where I live are NOT pristine. I would like 35's but I think I'll be ok with 30 or 32's. gonna take the Campy Record group off the Carbon bike and finally get back to a Road bike situation. Really appreciate all your info and videos, keep 'em coming. All I need now is a set of those HED Ardennes! sure wish it came in a different color...or at least wish I could see it in person
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
@SeeYouUpTheRoad 14 күн бұрын
I’m glad you are happy with your Ritchey Ascent and I think in the long-term you will be happy going back to steel.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
@SeeYouUpTheRoad 14 күн бұрын
Send me an email so I can provide for you the HED Ardennes I ship all over the USA! Regarding the Road Logic you should contact me so I can put you on the waiting list for the first available Road Logics that are coming "revcycling@gmail.com"
@OutThere42
@OutThere42 26 күн бұрын
Hi, any idea where the weight difference was? The outback frame weighs more because it’s just longer. Does the fork way more because it’s made to be more robust? I guess the rest would be because of the disc brakes versus rim and maybe the crankset? There are times I do road rides, other times gravel and on occasion combined to routes. I wish I could buy both . for now trying to settle on one. I have a decent strength for five 7 1/2 and 150 pounds so weight matters, my goal is a bike 20 pounds or under. Was planning to build up an outback until you mentioned the weight and that’s where the decent GRX 800 to buy set up which I liked
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
@SeeYouUpTheRoad 26 күн бұрын
Yes the frame and fork weigh more. The rest of the components are heavier as well. 11-34 Cassette vs 11-32 SRAM Red Cassette, wheels, saddle tires 32 vs 28's etc etc etc It will be tough getting an Outback under 20 pounds ... a sacrifice of reliability and robustness. I want riders to consider the Outback for riding in its natural habitat. Riding it as your primary road bike is not its natural habitat. Mixed terrain sure, gravel most definitely. Cheers
@EugeneCh-i3l
@EugeneCh-i3l 25 күн бұрын
Good and useful review, thanks. I’d love to see you review the Ritchey Road Logic disc version. Especially in regards to difference in compliance to the non disc Ritchey Road Logic. It’s a known fact that disc frames are stiffer at the forks. Has this affected the ride quality on this iconic frame?
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
@SeeYouUpTheRoad 25 күн бұрын
@@EugeneCh-i3l Thank You for watching. Maybe someday. But of course I would need to buy a whole new bike. No one is ever going to give me one to demo 😭
@jerryyoung6494
@jerryyoung6494 26 күн бұрын
Thanks for the video. I’m actually really surprised by the 5 pound weight difference. I wonder how much of that is based on difference in brakes.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
@SeeYouUpTheRoad 26 күн бұрын
@@jerryyoung6494 my 2 bikes have a 5 pound difference but that’s not to say others will be that much. In fact I believe most people will have even more differences in their Outback and Road Logic
@skinnie88
@skinnie88 19 күн бұрын
I have an out back breakaway and an old titanium /carbon breakaway. It’s like you tell. The Outback is a zen machine . Def not meant to be fast. But a very cool slow paced gravel bike.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
@SeeYouUpTheRoad 19 күн бұрын
Thank you Skinnie!
@ellerybice3787
@ellerybice3787 26 күн бұрын
🚴🏼🚴🏼🚴🏼 Civil riding ahead! 🫡
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
@SeeYouUpTheRoad 26 күн бұрын
Indeed thank you for watching!
@veggiechowder8877
@veggiechowder8877 18 күн бұрын
Do you need a chain catcher to run those gears in front?
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
@SeeYouUpTheRoad 18 күн бұрын
I guess you can use one. I have never used a chain catcher on any of my bikes.
@synsynsy
@synsynsy 26 күн бұрын
Still waiting for that Swiss Cross video...
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
@SeeYouUpTheRoad 26 күн бұрын
Ha Ha I guess I need to bring that bike out of retirement eh? I just love my road bikes and road bike riding so much I don't ride the Swiss Cross when I have more appropriate and perfectly suited road bikes like my Road Logic 🤣🤣 Let's see what I can do for you though
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
@SeeYouUpTheRoad 26 күн бұрын
I'm curious what would you like to see in the Swiss Cross video?
@synsynsy
@synsynsy 25 күн бұрын
@@SeeYouUpTheRoad I'm a 5'3 short rider and in much need of a allroad bike. (80% tarmac, 20% rough stuff) The road logic is too big and geometry too tight and I was thinking the swisscross might do the job. You have a lot of insight and experience... See... I just gave up the idea that a Montebello would fit me... so now I'm considering the Swisscross (without the fender mounts and all)...
@andrewhamilton3486
@andrewhamilton3486 26 күн бұрын
Perhaps the montebello is the best of both worlds??
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
@SeeYouUpTheRoad 26 күн бұрын
Perhaps! The older we get the more we will appreciate the stack height on the Montebello. The chain stays and wheelbase are longer than the Road Logic but not as long as the Outback. And the head tube angle is slacker than the RL but not as slack as the Outback. The question will be how much tire clearance does someone want/need 36mm with fenders or 40mm without.
@andrewhamilton3486
@andrewhamilton3486 26 күн бұрын
@SeeYouUpTheRoad true, re tyre size. It's quite dependent on use and where we live, etc. The RL and outback are distinctively different, montebello less so, blurs the edges between the two. For me I'm tossing up getting a larger RL (53) for taller stack or the montebello (s) where the stack is taller than my medium outback....... I know they all ride wonderfully. Have a great day/night. I'm in Australia
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
@SeeYouUpTheRoad 26 күн бұрын
@@andrewhamilton3486 Good luck in your decision making !!
@Kesevar
@Kesevar 22 күн бұрын
Outback is not a road bike, and it's a good thing. If you're trying to turn it into a road bike, you have bought a wrong bike.
@SeeYouUpTheRoad
@SeeYouUpTheRoad 22 күн бұрын
Correct! You wouldn't believe how many times I get this question though. That's why I had to shoot this video and the upcoming video as well. It is not a road bike and will never ride be as efficient as one. I did a climbing ride yesterday 54 miles and 6700 feet and it was more of the same -- sluggish on double digit grades. It's redeeming value? Super stable and comfortable on flats and descents. Thanks for watching please consider subscribing
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