Can a VEGAN diet make you age slower?

[@NutritionMadeSimple]

Hi all. Several viewers asked if it matters whether the effects were caused by weight loss or some ofter factor in the vegan diet. Weight loss is a common observation on vegan diets made up of whole foods, so isn't it a consequence of the diet either way? It is relevant from an actionable standpoint to determine if a purported benefit is caused by weight loss alone, since weight loss can be achieved with a variety of strategies. If, on the other hand, it is something specific to a given diet, then the effect can only be achieved with that specific diet. Hope that makes sense! (this could have been spelled out more clearly in the video, we´ll try to do that in the future. thanks!!) Gil

[@irfanmohd091]

hey could you make a Conclution segment in all your videos with timestamp. would help a lot for people who are in a hurry

[@Physionic]

Excellent, as always. I thought about covering this study, too, but I'll just link people this video. :)

[@mathiaslillback7831]

I follow you both, nice to see that you encourage each other. =) And for those here not familiar with physionics - check him out!

[@someguy2135]

I would vote that you do a video on the study. Even if your conclusions are the same as Dr Gil.

[@LenkaSaratoga]

Wow! Look who is here! 👋💚

[@Starship_X]

You should cover it anyway.... Most people are unaware of whole plant food eating styles.

[@leandrocaara]

The three best nutrition channels on KZbin are: 1. Nutrition Made Simple 2. Physionic 3. The Proof with Simon Hill

[@gribble2979]

I appreciate that your interest is in data, legitimate studies, and facts, not selling a certain viewpoint, diet, or supplements. I trust you far more than almost all other KZbin doctors, including those that aren't medical doctors. You give just the facts - thanks!

[@Jotto999]

I really appreciate how objective and open-minded you are. Most people (nearly all) would've let their personal preferences skew the presentation, at least in subtle ways. With you it's not obvious from the presentation, which diet you personally identify with. That's a big green flag for a great science communicator!

[@Mark4Jesus]

My sister was vegan for 10 years and I swear she didn't age all that time. She is 10 years older than me so I recall she looked the same age as me at that time.

[@karmelicanke]

A sibling changed diet to fresh fruits, veg, and fresh, just caught Pacific cod and salmon. This sibling, 4 yrs younger than me, looks 20 yrs younger.

[@Viva-Longevity]

Nice job with this, Gil. 👏 And you've upped your thumbnail game. 😎 Last month I attended & filmed the 2-year reunion of the Stanford twins and it was fascinating to talk to the ones not profiled in the Netflix doc - and to see where their diets are two years later (the cheese twins have figured out vegan cheeses). Justin Sonnenberg gave a great talk about their microbiomes that I filmed, but they want me to hold the video until his upcoming paper gets published.

[@k.h.6991]

When mentioning the adventist health studies, I do think it's necessary to remind viewers that these are omnivores who eat a lot less meat and dairy than most Americans today.

[@jj900]

It's always good to hear someone say "we don't know" - in an area where so many are dead certain about what he best diet is

[@jonathonmills3563]

Omnivore diets vary widely in composition but the takeaway is always the same, more plants, less meat equals better health

[@aquie4d999]

The true question is all plant no meat even better 🤔?

[@darthsmokester4759]

If you removed *always* and replaced with 'general trend' I would whole heartedly agree. But like he showed at end of this video, a healthy omni diet (pesca in this case) had better outcomes than vegan. And this is not in isolation. Diets composed mostly of whole foods, mostly/high plants but with a few lean meats /fish (whole food sources) have tended to be the top performers in health metrics/outcomes.

[@boossersgarage3239]

prove it...

[@wfpbwfpb]

Always

[@wfpbwfpb]

@@boossersgarage3239been proven thousands of times

[@brucejensen3081]

To me I think the main benefit of going vegan is that you need more calories as you burn more to get the same amount of nutrients. Most people that are fat, don't eat much volume, but are consuming too many calories. Can't see this happening on a whole food vegan diet. I really don't know why this wasn't adjusted for

[@propheteyebert7063]

Perhaps they want a particular outcome.

[@TheMountainBeyondTheWoods]

Best nutrition channel on KZbin.

[@davepunx360]

Was the statement about no change in “Vegans” specific to the vegans in the trial? It seemed like Vegans were lumped in with lacto-ovo vegetarians in the n.s conclusion. AHS-2: 7.7% of participants were vegan, 29.2% were lacto-ovo vegetarian, 9.9% were pescovegetarian, 5.4% were semi-vegetarian, and 47.7% were nonvegetarian

[@rayrwyr]

As of 2024, the likely oldest man in the world is a 128 year old man in city of Varanasi in India and he is a lifelong vegan. His name is Sivananda Baba. He is a ascetic celibate Hindu monk since age 4. His life is dedicated to helping the most neglected and unfortunate sections of the society. He practices Yoga everyday. Walks a few miles. Lives very simply, eats very little, 2 meals a day. Has full mental clarity. However he stoops. The next oldest man is 126 year old man in the city of Meerut in India and he is a lifelong vegetarian (vegan plus cow milk from his own native breed cows). His name is Dharampal Gujjar. He is a lifelong competitive runner. He still runs 4 km everyday at this age. He still has maintained his 6 feet-1inch frame and he stands very erect, no stooping. He moves, talks, looks like someone in his fifties. He has gold medals from many international running competitions. He has 7 kids and his wife (age 99) is still fit and active like him. He eats very small amount, very simple basic lifestyle. Common things between them: 1) Never ate sugar, candy etc 2) Never drank tea, coffee, alcohol, cigarette 3) Never ate meat, fish, egg 4) Eats small amount of simple food: 2-3 roti, dal, a bit sabji 5) Wakes up early and either walks a lot or runs a lot 6) Avoids modern drugs (particularly antibiotics), and industrial chemical-ridden anything to their bodies 7) Feels happiness, no/low stress (both are practicing Hindu) but fully engaged in various self-less social service work 8) Have zero chronic diseases. Have full mental clarity. Moves, walks, climbs stairs without assistance They are also contrasting. Sivananda is a lifelong celibate monk and Dharampal has a large family and living wife. There are many youtube videos interviewing both of them.

[@lumanliu8457]

What are you talking about? The world record is 122

[@Margo714P]

4:26 About the 2 yr long CALERIE study, telomere length was examined in that too. Researchers found that initially, telomeres in the calorie-restricted group shortened more rapidly than those in the control group. However, by the end of the study, both groups had telomeres of roughly the same length. So, it seems that the length of the study matters. And this twin study was very short.

[@LVArturs]

The vegan twins weren't calorie-restricted per se, they just chose to eat less than omnivores.

[@Sarahbee-o8t]

I tried lots of diets including keto. The one that worked for me is cutting calories and walking at least ten thousand steps a day .

[@BM1982.V2]

​@PaulB_864 the same could be said of a whole food plant based diet. Lots of fibre fills you up and you don't feel like overeating. The difference is though, we have tons of research showing a plant based diet leads to longer lifespan while we have tons of evidence that low carb diets lead to poorer health. You may have anecdotal evidence that Keto works great but anecdotes aren't data. I could find a 120 year old smoker, that doesn't mean smoking is healthy because on average smokers get diseases and die earlier and on average Keto dieters get diseases and die earlier even if you can find some outliers

[@darthsmokester4759]

I wouldn't say there's 'tons' of data to suggest keto is bad. I'm with you on a whole foods diet with a priority given to plants. There's definitely "tons" of evidence to suggest that is health promoting. But to blanket keto is not fair or evidence based. There's plant based keto vs carnivore keto for example. Processed keto vs whole foods keto. There's also just low carb in general but skips the whole requirement to be ketosis. Keto is also one of the most restrictive diets out there. By definition you're cutting out most refined carbs (which is not necessarily true of a 'vegan' diet) and can be one of the best tools for many people to lead to weight loss... Which as evidenced by this video and backed by "tons" of data, is one of the best ways to improve health. I'm not advocating for keto, but I won't demonize it with blanket statements either.

[@YuraL88]

​​@PaulB_864 not for everyone. It's always easy to say that someone is doing keto wrong. But it's a PART of problem. If it's easier for me to just cut calories a bit than cut the entire food group, so keto is pointless.

[@someguy2135]

Most people find cutting calories to be a challenge that they often are not able to overcome. One of the benefits of a vegan diet as the study shows is that vegans tend to eat fewer calories. The people running the twin study told the participants to eat as much of each diet as they wanted. The ones on the vegan diet tended to eat fewer calories which is a benefit of the vegan diet for those people who want to lose weight.

[@someguy2135]

Of course everyone should exercise regularly regardless of their diet.

[@sk.n.9302]

I've been vegan for about 8 years now. Eating fiber & lots of nutrients has kept me healthy & no one can guess my correct age, they usually guess 10-15 yrs. younger. My secret.

[@oregonwoodelf]

It seems pretty obvious and reasonable to say that more fiber, more antioxidants, and lower cholesterol/sat fat will age you slower. Been vegan almost 9 years (Now 44) and feel/look younger than in my 30s, eating what I thought was a healthy omni diet back then. Wasn't my goal, as I did it for animal welfare, but came along as a nice bonus!✌🧝🌱

[@fityoga86]

Thanks for covering this, as it's such an interesting subject. I can only go on my own experience, I went vegan 6 years ago for ethical reasons, not for health, as I didn't know the benefits then & before this my health was very bad. The results were amazing, not only did I lose 6 stone, reverse heart disease, type 2 diabetes & hypertension, at 52 I'm now the fittest & healthiest I've ever been. My friends & family say I look younger now, than I did 10 years ago, all my vegan friends also look great for their age, so I definitely think there is something in it. I've been studying plant-based nutrition for over 3 years now & find it fascinating, I eat a mainly WFPB diet, which I find gives me the optimum health benefits.

[@greensmoothieparty]

My elderly mother is not peer reviewed or statistically significant but she has aged minus 20 years (biological age) during the last 5 years according to the Levine Biological Age calculator based on bloodwork test biomarkers. She eats a vegan nutritarian diet style. Cheers!

[@someguy2135]

The participants of the study were instructed to eat as much as they wanted of either a vegan diet or an omnivore diet. The fact that the vegans ate fewer calories is not a flaw in the study but rather it tells us one of the benefits of a vegan diet which is that you tend to eat fewer calories as a result.

[@dvdmon]

It is a flaw because the supposed thing they are trying to test (vegan vs. omniovore) diet, was confounded by a different level of calories. As Gil points out at the beginning, another study which ONLY changed caloric levels showed some of the same benefits in genetic markers. I'm vegan myself, but I don't let this cloud my view of what diets are healthier. A vegan diet CAN be very healthy, but it can also be very unhealthy (vegan "junkfood"), and similarly an omnivore diet can be going to McDonalds and Dunkin Donuts every day or it can me a Mediteranean diet high in fruits and veggies and low (or no) processed foods.

[@annaj.4740]

Many thanks for this update 😄 I'm vegan and I don't care if I will live longer or shorter 🤘

[@AdelleKonrad]

You are my favorite of all favorites. You represent science! Thank you!

[@joecaner]

Is it the vegan diet? Is it the calorie restriction? Are they synergistic?

[@someguy2135]

Those who are in the study instructed the participants to eat as much as they wanted. One of the benefits of a vegan diet is that you tend to eat fewer calories assuming you are trying to lose weight

[@LenkaSaratoga]

Great comment

[@InspiriumESOO]

Vegan/WFPB diet automatically causes calorie restriction as it is an extremely satiating and a healthy diet.

[@dralexsadler9099]

For humans, diet quality seems more important than mere calorie restriction

[@joecaner]

​@@dralexsadler9099 That's been my experience, although, Dr. Valter Longo's research on longevity have uncovered common shared biochemical pathways present from yeast to humans that respond very favorably to calorie restrictions reducing functional biological age so both quality and the restriction of quantity are both relevant.

[@jozefwoo8079]

What I need to know is this : in so many studies there is question or confusion if the benefits are due to weight loss only. Is it because the participants are always overweight? What if they use lean participants to begin with, do you still see benefits from weight loss or eating less calories?

[@brucejensen3081]

Males at 19% bodyfat dropping to 15%, you would think so, those dropping from 15% to 10%, you would think not.

[@k.h.6991]

Yes, most people in the west are overweight. It makes the research realistic, to have overweight participants. Finding healthy weight participants would not only be difficult, it would bring in other confounding variables. How is their diet before hand? Are they at a so- called healthy weight, despite a bad diet, because of pre-existing health conditions? Interesting perhaps, but not necessarily a better research setup.

[@ryanwellington7493]

​@@brucejensen3081 10% can be healthy for males but it's the bottom end of the healthy range, women need at least 15% bodyfat to be healthy

[@hctim96]

Good stuff Doc, Thanks for the information...

[@Mrm1985100]

The problem with the Adventist data is that lots of Adventists go vegan, and generally in more plant based direction, as they age and perhaps as they begin to develop health problems. This risks to skew the data for older adventists. There is even a study on it entitled: "A New Approach to Assess Lifetime Dietary Patterns Finds Lower Consumption of Animal Foods with Aging in a Longitudinal Analysis of a Health-Oriented Adventist Population".

[@johntousseau9380]

Vegan isn’t about having the healthiest diet per se. There are a lot of health and environmental benefits from it, but it’s about the animals. I think that key point has gotten lost in the sauce due to celebrities and influencers.

[@spacewanderern]

Considering that vegan diet has no unnecessary animal torture and slaughter involved and promotes good health as the research shows, I see no reason why would anyone include feeling sentient animals with subjective experiences in their diet. For taste preference? That's speciesm and social conditioning at its fines.

[@j7ndominica051]

If the effect could be detected in just 8 weeks, we'd see a big difference over the course of years with the unaided eye. Sounds like they actually became younger. In the end, nobody gets to remain without wrinkles or live to 200, except Madonna.

[@98lincolnmarkviii]

15 years vegan now and will be for life. Only regret is not doing it sooner. Best lifestyle change I've ever made.

[@DannyBlair_]

My only takeaway from this study is there is no takeaway. Too much room for speculation & too many uncontrolled variables, especially calories

[@eduleitner]

I find somewhat ill-posed the question of whether "it was the vegan diet per se or something else? Could be the higher amount of fiber, the lower number of calories...?" What is a vegan diet (WFPB) made of? These aspects are all part of it. When researchers evaluate the effects of a vegan diet, all these aspects will necessarily play a role. I don't think anyone believes that some magic happens when you exclude that last drop of honey that finally allows to stamp a vegan label on your diet. It makes little sense to compare a vegan diet with an omnivorous diet while matching the number of calories, saturated fat, fiber content, vitamin and mineral intakes, etc. to try to tease out the exclusive role of the vegan label.

[@NutritionMadeSimple]

hi. weight loss is a common observation on WFPB diets, but also on many other dietary patterns. Thus it is relevant from an actionable standpoint to determine if a purported benefit is caused by the weight loss alone (in which case it could be achieved with a variety of strategies) or whether it is something specific to the WFPB diet (in which case only that pattern can achieve it) (this could have been spelled out more clearly in the video, we´ll try to do that next time. tks)

[@jonATLden]

So at a minimum ethical vegans like myself (who don't want to contribute to animal suffering) aren't disadvantaging themselves in the process. I also supplement sensibly with B12, algal oil, D3, etc and try to largely avoid processed foods. I believe that's the best option available today for ethical vegans.

[@SALVATl0N]

Thank you for mentioning the calorie study. I've always heard that mammals across the board live longer when giving a calorie restricted diet. Maybe a video focused on that in the future?

[@brucejensen3081]

Most obese people are on a restricted calorie diet. Don't stick to it very well. Anorexics stick to it the best, how much longer do they live.

[@poppyred7865]

Vegan diets do not exist, a whole food plant based diet does and this is what it was in the studies, to be vegan you have to follow the vegan philosophy and be vegan for the animals, none of these folk followed this so they were wfpb for an experiment. They did not take animal based products out of any other aspect of their lives. I really wish folk would use the proper term when discussing or writing reports on this subject as there really is a difference and it’s important.

[@barbarashirland9078]

Even though we may not have all the data, your broad overview reporting does give enough information, although not conclusive, to modify my own behavior. Thank you.

[@orcanimal]

It's kind of a silly study, as a vegan diet is more likely to consist of generally healthier food COMPARED to an ominvore diet with no particular focus on healthier foods, just by the virtue of vegans likely eating more fruits and vegetables, legumes, etc. They need to do a comparitive study where both groups don't eat highly processed foods, one group is vegan, one group is ominvore, but no sugary drinks, no chips and candy, and lean animal protein from quality sources, not your basic supermarket frozen burger patties or whatever crap

[@keithwilkinson5707]

Thanks again Gil. I recently watched a youtube dialogue between Rip Esselstyn and Doug Graham and some interesting points were made about the efficacy of a raw vegan diet in particular about what happens to protein when it is cooked. I would be interested on your assessment of these claims. Cheers.

[@DrTomMD]

Excellent video. Ideally control for calories as well as track all pertinent biomarkers including but not limited to resting blood pressure, resting heart rate, non-HDL cholesterol, fasting insulin/fasting glucose and GFR among others

[@ThomasMeliWellness]

Love your work Gil. The only thing I'll add is that while scientifically speaking (assuming non junk food) vegan dietary patterns and weight loss are confounders, in the real world, I would suspect they are more causally related since a WFPB vegan diet necessarily has a high amount of fiber, resistant starch, and other weight loss promoting aspects. In many studies, the vegan cohort ends up losing weight even when they "don't intend to." I think this is often not considered as important as it is in terms of recommendations. If I had to bet, I'd bet there's some causality there: vegan dietary pattern ---> weight loss.

[@aag3752]

Can you do a vid comparing Vegan diets to *Vegetarian* ones also? Much appreciated!

[@ejRecording]

The Adventist 2 study he referenced shows that vegetarians were not as healthy as the vegans Too much animal fat etc in vegetarians

[@mikafoxx2717]

Vegetarians could be eating butter, cream cheese, cheddar, etc. not healthy foods, even eating lean chicken would be better.

[@billger5710]

Also would be interesting to compare macros in both diets, protein carbs fat

[@bobbybecker80]

Interesting, objective and helpful; another trifecta. Thanks!

[@harryevans4513]

If you want to be more accurate, you should call the diet plant-based instead of vegan, at least when saying things like "the vegans would supplement with algae or fish oil". Vegan might be used by people commonly in many contexts, but its meaning is tied to the ethical stance of reducing harm and exploitation of all sentient beings. A person eating a fully plant based diet might still use leather or animal tested cosmetics, while a person who is vegan will not. Other than that, the video was really informative, thanks.

[@MariaPascualPatrao-re1lz]

Yep, veganism is not about our health, it's about their (non human animals) lives and not using animals as commodities.

[@edy3569]

Calorie reduction hypothesis makes sense. If the energy production is low (due to eating less) the body (brain) will slow down the metabolism to compensate. A slower metabolism equates to longer living by aging slower. However, the quality of life matters a lot (more than longevity in my opinion). Which is why an omnivore diet that includes highly available protein sources and bioavailable iron, EPA, DHA, retinol will make you strong, feel good and enjoy life. And I do believe that a pesceterian diet is actually the best. The only food that is common both to Mediterranean diet and Japan (japanese people are also longevity champions) is fish and seafood.

[@brucejensen3081]

Dont people who stay constantly at lean bodyfat percentage without much deviation, dont they do better. Like these yoyo scenarios, everytime weight is lost, weight is gained, muscle is lost and fat is gained and in time body composition is terrible.

[@someguy2135]

The video mentioned the effect of a vegan diet or a pescetarian diet amongst the Adventists however it didn't mention how both groups compared to the vegetarians.

[@arambarsamian6312]

Quote from the Adventist Study: “Compared with the relatively health-conscious AHS-2 nonvegetarians, vegetarians have lower risk of all-cause mortality, particularly for deaths at younger ages, and specifically for deaths associated with renal failure, infectious diseases, diabetes, select cardiac, and IHD causes.”

[@megavegan5791]

I believe you have to include healthy fats. The 'no-fat' vegan doctor influencers look like zombies.

[@tzenophile]

maybe because they are older than you will ever be?

[@someguy2135]

Those doctors don't recommend zero fat. They recommend zero oil. The only question is where are the healthy fat comes from they advocate getting it from Whole Foods like nuts seeds and avocados

[@terryjackson9395]

@@tzenophile LOL

[@TasteOfButterflies]

Ah yes, the most scientific indicator of the validity of a diet: some guy's opinion on some other guy's appearance.

[@ejRecording]

None of them say no fat It's 10% of calories from fat to prevent AND reverse disease , Ornish proved this and it's covered by insurance and Medicare

[@ElectrikMe]

I don't think a diet has that kind of power, we like to think the problem can be solved by external forces but its usually an internal problem that needs fixing.

[@mjs28s]

One thing that I was not able to see in the study was how much fiber the "vegans" were getting. Many studies that I see where "vegans" are a part of where they list the standard things like: ages, how many of each gender, BMI, weight, calorie intake, macro proportions, etc. and often FIBER. The amount of fiber someone is eating each day tells you a whole lot about how good or bad their diet is. The last study that I read where they compared vegans to some control diet is that the vegans were still only consuming 25 grams (average) of fiber per day on an average of 1,400 calories per day (these were all females). If you are eating healthy and lots of whole plant foods you should be closer to AT LEAST 25 grams per 1,000 calories though 30 would be better. For me, even today with my high sugar coffee drink I still managed 35 grams fiber per 1,000 calories. Also, growing up Adventist I can tell you that there is a lot of processed vegetarian and vegan food (lunch meats, cheese, margarine and other spreads, etc) that both vegetarians and vegans consume. I wager the reason that the pesco-vegetarians did better is that the fish they consumed crowded out some of the pho-foods / highly processed garbage that would normally have been consumed that the vegans were still consuming. But even then if the "vegans" (vegan is not a diet but an ethical position) ate a healthier way, more whole plant foods, they most certainly would have matched or exceeded the pesco-vegetarians. God help you if you are an Adventist vegetarian on Church potluck days. You will be seeing more cheese, eggs, butter, milk, cream, margarine, etc. than a truckstop diner during rush hour. While there are many that eat better than the average person, I wouldn't call quite a bit of it healthy for sure. I think the removal of meat goes a long ways as does the inner peace that comes from religion and family, low rates of smoking and drinking. But even Adventist of Loma Linda could add years, on average, to their lives if they stopped with all the processed garbage (talking about you Loma Linda Foods) and focused on more whole plant foods.

[@eddieg9032]

I wonder if the new study might have teased out some metrics for health span vs life span?

[@Voldemorts_Mom]

Thanks gil

[@jj900]

Wrinkles on your dna - love that! Can i steal it for hospital lectures? 😆

[@Pablitopewpew]

I couldn't pirate the new study you cite at the end but the abstract contradict what your saying : "Compared with nonvegetarians, vegetarians had lower risks of mortality, overall, from renal failure, infectious disease, diabetes, select cardiac, and ischemic heart disease causes. Vegans, lacto-ovovegetarians, and pescovegetarians were also observed to have lower risks of total mortality and several similar cause-specific mortalities."

[@NutritionMadeSimple]

hi. they use a strange definition of "vegetarian" as anyone that doesn't eat meat weekly (including vegans, lacto-ovovegetarians, pescetarians and what they call "semi vegetarians" - those that eat meat less than 1x/week average). The abstract stating simply that "vegans also had lower risks" is indeed a bit simplistic and inaccurate since this is only true of the raw data (not the adjusted models, where mortality was only lower in very specific subgroups as covered in the video)

[@Pablitopewpew]

@@NutritionMadeSimple 🤔🤔

[@evaw3421]

I have been vegan for over 30 years now and friends that I have not met for a long time oftentimes says that I'm the only one who always looks the same as before. I think it must be the diet. And my bf since 20 years looks younger now than 20 years ago. He eats very little meat and fish since 10-15 years. I think it must be what we eat.

[@anabolicamaranth7140]

It would be interesting to see the average medical costs of different diet groups in the Adventist study. Medicare is only $100 trillion underfunded so I guess we don’t need to worry about medical costs.

[@johnk6757]

I feel like this whole "biological age" is mostly cope for people with age anxiety. It's one thing to be healthy for your cohort, that's great, but I'm pretty sure it's heavily vanity driven and in that case there's no escaping the reality that beauty decays with age

[@michaelmackey754]

Great video!

[@sun-man]

Should be simple to pick a few of the vegans that lost no weight and look at their telomeres

[@tzenophile]

The problem is that 'vegan' is not a diet per se. That is the same mistake as calling atheism a religion. But it IS a good question.

[@ismailkolasinac79]

Would like to know if there is big a difference between eating conventional fruits and vegetables compared to homegrown. If anyone has done some research on this let me know. Thanks 🙏

[@WildWhispr]

There is a big difference in nutritional makeup! Not just because of how they are grown, being grown organically means they have much more nutrients as the soil will be a lot healthier and less depleted, but also in terms of freshness as (though it varies between different produce) in general the longer the time since something was picked, the more depleted the nutrients are.

[@WildWhispr]

Also worth saying that if you can't grow your own find local organic producers and eat seasonally and you'll still see a great improvement in the nutrition you're receiving:)

[@ismailkolasinac79]

@@WildWhispr thank you 🙏 I will look for local organic farmers and maybe start growing something myself.

[@PersonS6]

Still nothing known about the longterm effects though. We need some longitudinal studies

[@JonathanDLynch]

Any thoughts on what effect a pescatarian diet would have? As always, thank you for the quality content.

[@JonathanDLynch]

I see you mentioned pescatarians at the end. So, nevermind. But, still thanks for the content :)

[@James-hn6fe]

Sorry but most ocean food is badly contaminated with mercury, toxins and even antidepressants from garbage dumping. Everything eventually ends up in the ocean.

[@LVArturs]

Among the hardcore biohackers there's at least one guy with good results who eats fish every day - Dr Michael Lustgarten. But overall his diet is very vegetable and leafy green heavy. Oh yeah, and he also takes almost no supplements, his results are based on logging all calories and following biomarker correlations with food items.

[@BM1982.V2]

​@@JonathanDLynchI'm pretty sure I've heard Gil say that a little fish is good for health but he chooses not to eat it for environmental reasons, overfishing, plastic pollution. If we continue eating fish at the rates we are eating it then we will see mostly fish less oceans in our lifetimes. Humans can't seem to do anything sustainably which is a shame. Healthwise- fish is OK, environmental or ethical wise- fish is not good

[@rejoyce318]

@@JonathanDLynch After one of Gil's videos, I like to geek out on Pub Med. There are several recent studies. Here's one: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33313747/

[@sirgerbilmacintosh9101]

I only eat seeds and things.

[@benadler4968]

The Harrison's Internal medicine in the background gives me PTSD... but seriously great video

[@JeffC-fq1be]

I wonder about that Adventist study. I have heard that the overall life expectancy of vegans exceeds that of omnivores in many studies.

[@jasonito23]

Grandma knew what she was talking about when she told you to ¨Eat your vegetables!¨

[@noggintube]

@PaulB_864 What's that got to do with anything. Modern farming isn't one guy working the land all hours. It's a guy sat in a huge tractor with GPS, spreading seed and then spraying pesticide.

[@SALVATl0N]

Algal oil? Any science on it?

[@peterfialka5315]

It is most likely the best source for omega 3 for vegans. The logic there is simple. You eat what the fish eats so you skip the animal. I believe it is spelled algae. This directly contains EPA and DHA if I am not mistaken while nuts and seeds contain precursors from which your body converts it to these two fatty acids. The conversion rate varies among people and that is why algae is usually referenced as a safe bet regardless your conversion rate. Ofc you could simply eat fish if that is an option for you but to achieve necessary levels of omega 3 in your body you’d need to eat fish daily and the omega content in types of fish varies a lot

[@someguy2135]

Great question! I take a supplement based on algae for DHA and EPA to augment My Vegan compatible diet

[@joseaugustodossantossilva5495]

are you brazilian by any chance?

[@MariaPascualPatrao-re1lz]

As an ethical vegan I just don't want to harm sentient beings if that means a shorter life span I don't care

[@AndrewPawley11]

Excellent!

[@ImAussieMate]

Ive been vegan for 7 years. Im positive if i continued eating processed meats, eggs dairy and meat i would look and feel older. This isnt science and not something I can prove but it's something I just know.

[@Magnulus76]

Anecdotally, yes. But you still need to eat a good diet. Junk food isn't that good for you, whether its vegan or otherwise.

[@cdprince768]

It isn't the vegan diet per se. It's what a vegan diet necessitates: eating fewer calories and eating far more plant-based food. If you don't want to go vegan, eat more plant foods with every meal.

[@kukensson]

Your guess means nothing. We’re here to hear experts speak, not you

[@terryjackson9395]

Nice in theory, but there's only so much a person can consume. That's why longevity seekers like Michael Lustgarden and Bryan Johnson eventually end up almost completely vegan. Fucoidan from seaweed. Ergothioneine from mushrooms. Apigenin, chlorophyll, lutein, zeaxanthin etc from greens. Nitrates in beets and arugula. Polyphenols in berries, cocoa, coffee, tea. Varied fiber in Legumes and grains for SCFA production. Yada yada. Eventually longevity experts run out of room to eat meat, and end up just supplementing algae oil and B12 and call it a day.

[@shetaz905]

I agree. Eat mostly plants.

[@estinhewart]

Studies show that there isnt a point at which further benefits wouldnt be accrued from increasing the plant to animal ratio. I.e. plant forward is good but fully plant based will always be best (that is for health, of course when you factor in environment and ethics there are even more reasons)

[@geminicls446]

@@kukenssonJust wanted to give you a virtual hug - you seem like you need one! And cdprince768 is just echoing what Gil said in the video - it could be a number of things that led to decreases biological age (calorie restriction, fiber, weight loss, etc.) - hard to pinpoint a magic bullet ☺️ Cheers!

[@vanessac1965]

Yeah but the pescatarians were presumably doing eggs and dairy too

[@AllShirleyM]

a "vegan diet" just says what they do NOT eat. You can eat oreo cookies, french fries, and soft drinks all the time and call yourself "vegan." A whole-foods-plant-based diet is vegan, but it is a HEALTHY vegan diet. Let's compare a whole foods plant based diet with omnivores (eliminate the junk food eaters here, too), NOT your typical junk-food-vegans who are not eating animals, or their eggs or secretions, because of ethical, environmental, or plantet-forward reasons-- but, otherwise don't eat for health reasons (like so many other people).

[@brinnon9073]

my favorite!

[@deel2435]

I don't want to be blocked and ow I'm worried I will be? I came back to add some more context to what the influencer was saying re bone health and protein, including some of the more extreme things that were said to find my comment deleted. This has made me really sad. I'm not sure what I said that was wrong. I sited the research, the reasons I was concerned. I didn't attack anyone or make any false claims. Please - if you could let me know what I said or did that was wrong so I don't do it again. And, how I can submit a request with you to cover topics that I think others would be interested in? I'm a reasonable person and I'm not here to cause issue for you or anyone! Thanks. And, hope you're well.

[@NutritionMadeSimple]

hi we definitely didnt delete anything I get this Q often from people who include links I suspect YT filters those (to increase platform retention??), just speculating because this is a FAQ, try typing comments with the title of the studies pasted instead of the link, that usually works. thanks!

[@deel2435]

@@NutritionMadeSimple Ah! This makes so much sense - thanking you! I'll keep that in mind going forward. My comment was to highlight the below. I'm raising this because I have concerns about some of the statements made given the popularity of this person. I’m not here trying to start a flame war! But I would really like your take, specifically would really love one of your videos covering this. Thank-you as always for all the great work you do! Dr Doug makes videos for mostly menopausal women, for their bone health. My GP recommended his videos. But, I’m unsure if what he’s saying is accurate. I’ve included the research that Dr Doug has used to form his opinion and listed out the points that he raises: 1+ 2.2 g /kg or more protein 2+ plant proteins aren’t absorbed as well (compared to animal) 3+ hard to get enough protein from plants without consuming too many carbs, over consume calories or end up with gut dysfunction 4+ for some eating a super physiological amount of protein is preferential 5+ higher protein consumption is associated with reduced fracture risk and better bone density 6+ those on a carnivore diet aren’t at risk of bone loss The One Food that Will Build Your Bones!! - The Dr Doug Show on YT doi: 10.1002/jcsm.13111 - Protein intake and bone mineral density: Cross-sectional relationship and longitudinal effects in older adults -Groenendijk doi: 10.1016/j.csbj.2019.07.005 - High Versus low Dietary Protein Intake and Bone Health in Older Adults: a Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis -Groenendijk doi: 10.1007/s00198-018-4534-5 - Benefits and safety of dietary protein for bone health-an expert consensus paper endorsed by the European Society for Clinical and Economical Aspects of Osteopororosis, Osteoarthritis, and Musculoskeletal Diseases and by the International Osteoporosis Foundation -Rizzoli doi: 10.1024/0300-9831/a000063 - Protein intake and bone health -Bonjour

[@deel2435]

@@NutritionMadeSimple I came back and replied. With details to papers, no links and it looks like it's gone again. Curse you YT AI! Is there an email address I can send stuff to? I appreciate that may be too much additional admin for you so I understand if you don't. :)

[@singularity6761]

Just an idea about the pescetarians. The pescetarians eat some amount of high taurin foods (fish & seafood). Taurin should have some positive longevity properties as reported recently in the web.

[@terryjackson9395]

Except Taurine is one amino that is destroyed by heat. That's why most meat consumption renders very little Taurine benefit (and catfood always has added taurine since it's always cooked). Not being carnivores (like cats are), humans produce their own Taurine endogenously (from Methionine and Cysteine) which decreases with age. Methionine is shown to reduce lifespan in all animals tested, so I think it's better to minimize it. Being somewhat elderly, I supplement Taurine and NAC. Fast twitch hard exercise also depletes taurine . So walking + taurine and NAC supplementation . 👍

[@wendywitchner7401]

I’m vegan and include sea moss in my diet daily- that takes care of the taurine and iodine.

[@MichaelGGarry]

Reported where? "The web" means nothing.

[@singularity6761]

@@MichaelGGarry In "Science" summer 2023. Go search the details yourself.

[@CncBlades]

Listen I understand that I eat a whole food plant based diet so it might seem bias but the evidence is so compelling the only reason it doesn’t work out is if you have a unhealthy gut microbiome and you eat certain foods in the diet that your not supposed to look at nutrition facts.og on KZbin and get different perspectives don’t forget to critique everyone especially me and you own beliefs

[@esotericsolitaire]

Calorie reduction makes sense regarding youthfulness.

[@terryjackson9395]

Unless someone is overweight and needs to lose it, longevity benefits of calorie reduction have largely been narrowed down (in animal research) to protein reduction. And then even further to methionine and leucine reduction.

[@InspiriumESOO]

@@terryjackson9395 How certain is this methionine and leucine restriction theory, or is it just a hypothesis?

[@carloscarion1748]

Chronological age is totally insignificant all it does is mark the amount of times that your body has gone around the sun the biological age I think it’s completely different otherwise why do some 20 year olds look like they’re 40 and why do you why do some 60 or 70 year old look like they’re 35 or 40?

[@tomlipscomb3695]

Genetics.

[@carloscarion1748]

@@tomlipscomb3695 self care

[@peterbedford2610]

Fasting shows clear data...but, most people can't handle it

[@skushnerick2176]

It's the omega 3

[@someguy2135]

I agree specifically DHA and EPA

[@InspiriumESOO]

@@someguy2135 Which comes from algae. And of course humans produce it themselves, but the amount can vary per individual.

[@RaymLovesEggs]

Maybe just don't eat ultra processed foods?

[@johnnyfog8134]

Please someone buy Gil a decent camera 😂

[@اميرةفتحي-ب6ص]

Wow

[@Jay_sea3]

Too much of anything is bad for you try not stuff your face because it says healthy on the packet.

[@hallajavel]

Anyone who cuts out animal foods always tend to look older after some years. It depends on the person how long it takes

[@juliashearer7842]

Is this a joke? Do you mean that after some years, people look older or only after some years, people who cut out animal foods look older?

[@nataliefulton3400]

You mean people look older as they age? Genius observation

[@kimberlyd4082]

You were unable to comprehend his inference of disproportionately older?...or were you just attempting to be witty?​@@nataliefulton3400

[@dj.h7424]

@@kimberlyd4082Have you had a sense of humour bypass? Or are you just an animal flesh lover??

[@tomgoff7887]

@@dj.h7424 You might it useful to consult a dictionary about the difference between imply and infer. In any case, the implied claim that people who don't eat animal foods will look older than people of the same age who do, is clearly a 'fact' that haallajave has simply pulled out of his or her own backside.

[@nitinpandey1625]

Go Vegan

[@carloscarion1748]

The effects of fasting and consuming less calories most definitely has an effect on the biological/Epigenetic age of a person, as I see it. I know scientist I’m no doctor but I know what I see and I’m a believer

[@JoeLough-z8c]

This makes me wonder, what if we look at the vegan diet as kind of "fasting" from a normal diet. Let's say you do the vegan diet 6 or 8 weeks per year. The rest of the year you eat a regular healthy diet.

[@ReligionsFakten]

If I eat less calories, I potential eat less junk obvious, the conclusion is not clear that the calories are the factor for the changes.

[@darthsmokester4759]

There's a lot of factors, but calories are one of the most studied, and also with a very linear dose response. Meaning, health markers and even outcomes benefit from calorie reduction. They have a mechanism that plays out on the outcomes, RCT's, cohorts and long term outcome studies generally pointing in that direction. This level of evidence tends to suggest it is indeed very much casual. Likewise, controlling for calories but reducing 'junk' has less benefit, to even neutral/no effect in many studies compared to reducing calories. Again though, I will stress, it's definitely multifactorial. Reducing junk and calories and adopting as many healthy habits as feasible while still enjoying your life and not living in a bubble should all contribute to health

[@tzenophile]

It is funny that the photo illustrating the Med diet includes a salmon cut. Last time I checked ... You know the drill.

[@jasonito23]

A Vegan can´t supplement with fish oil 🤣

[@Dieblauesau]

Just take algae oil.

[@viviendaquino8364]

We supplement with algae oil supplements. This is where the fish get it from.

[@dj.h7424]

Algae oil, flax seed and walnuts for me.

[@InspiriumESOO]

Fish oil is just polluted and cruel algae oil. So no difference.

[@spgtenor]

Nobody ever wants to do an intervention of my dietary regimen of donuts, cookies, pizza and beer. Feeling great every day though.

[@Spooken]

Please don't participate in creating such hack thumbnails. They're so offputting

[@Margo714P]

It's pronounced Tello-Mears (as in Jello-M-ears).

[@xiamengbaby]

Actually, they are both correct pronunciations.

[@catobie1948]

All this proves is there really isn't any conclusion about anything. Everyone's chemistry is different so every diet will affect a body differently.

[@darthsmokester4759]

I wouldn't say it proves that. That hypothesis wasn't even tested. You could argue the balance of evidence says there's several diet patterns that could lead to healthy outcomes when controlling for calories and/or healthy weights in the individuals. But that's definitely not the same thing

[@WinterGK]

There is proof of intolerances in some people, and allergies etc There is also proof that some can eat more saturated fats or smoke etc with almost no recordable consequences. There is not any solid evidence that different humans thrive best on totally different diets. All plant based diets show incredible longevity results compared to the SAD diet. The majority of studies on Low carb diets show increased mortality compared to baseline(SAD diet) in life expectancy studies. I don't think it's a coincidence that people claiming to be different are always coming from high meat diets where ideas like that are promoted, just like ignoring epidemiology and believing anecdotes and mechanistic claims... basically anything but looking at actual human outcome data.

[@someguy2135]

The whole point of using twins is to eliminate as much as possible the genetic differences between individuals. This study eliminated that variable as much as possible.

[@jasonito23]

People are not that much different. Heart disease and obesity are prevalent in most countries and it´s linked to diet and lifestyle. 9 times out of 10 what´s bad for me will be bad for you. I personally have never heard a doctor tell someone, ¨You eat too many fruits and vegetables.¨ Fruits and vegetables are good for 99% of people.

[@MichaelToub]

Great Video!