Can Amritdhari Sikhs eat food from same plate as non-Amritdharis? Kaurs United Camp - Q&A #19

Q&A session at the Kaurs United Camp 2014 in California, USA. Question was Can Amritdhari Sikhs eat from same plate and drink from same glass as non-Amritdharis? Kaurs United Camp - Q&A #19
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[@basicsofsikhi]

Please note that sharing food does not refer to giving food to someone but about sharing the same plate and glass, ie where saliva of one person has touched the food/spoon and other person eats/drinks from same place. Parents and children or married couples will often share spoons/glasses or even same plate.

[@TheAmenine]

+Basics of Sikhi Amritdharis cannot eat food from Non-Amritdharis plates, in order to keep Suchum. That is quite understandable. But Amritdharis eating food from another Amritdharis is acceptable here. Why?.. When people take Amrit , they take it one by one from same Baata (Large Bowl). Now where is your Suchum? .. You are still taking food from someone. And don't tell me that we are family that's why we do it.. Really ? .. In actual Whole Humanity is one Big family. So why not take it from Non-Amritdharis also and why only from Amrithdharis ? .. Dude , you are making no - sense to me , maybe it will make sense to all the ignorant people here but not to me. According to my understanding we don't eat food from other people just to avoid Saliva. Infectious diseases are spread through several routes of transmission. “Oral transmission” refers to spreading of microbes through saliva, foods or drinks. Transmission of hepatitis B virus through saliva has been well documented. So it's obvious that we should not eat from anybody's plate whether he/she is Amritdharis or Non-Amritdharis because We don't really know that other person is healthy or not so we mostly avoid taking food from other's plate. I'm not Amritdhari but still I don't take other people food or drink from other people glass , not even from my mother's glass. But sometimes I take it from others , also from my mom but mostly I avoid taking it. So even Amritdharis should not take food from other Amritdharis because of various infectious diseases that can spread. Otherwise Incase of emotions being heavy on you , you can take it , its all personal. It's your life , but should avoid most of the time taking it from someone else.

[@Fact329]

+Anupreet Kaur You are right. Maybe these bibeki brahmins (i.e. amritdharis) believe that the food made by non-baptized sikhs is "impure". Talking of "ritual impurity", Guru Ji said the following: "If one accepts the concept of impurity, then there is impurity everywhere. In cow-dung and wood there are worms. As many as are the grains of corn, none is without life. First, there is life in the water, by which everything else is made green. How can it be protected from impurity? It touches our own kitchen. O Nanak, impurity cannot be removed in this way; it is washed away only by spiritual wisdom." Following hygienic practices is good but not sharing food with non-amritdharis on the pretext of them being "less spiritual and impure" is clearly a superstition. Due to such discrimination in sikhi, youth is getting away from sikhi.

[@jsbbajwa]

sukhmeet why do sikhs push dirt under the rug? bigger problems u guys dont even want to resolve. cause u guys dont have the gutts. go kill all the different sects in sikhism if u can. lets solve the small issues. why the brahmin hypocrisy ?

[@YUVRAJ.SINGH.SEKHON]

You all are idiot (except the basics of sikhi). We have guarantee on amritdhari sikh that they don't drink alcohol or smoke or consume drugs or eat halal meat. But with the people from different religion or non amritdhari you don't have that guarantee you don't know that they do it or don't. And you don't know that they are practicing cleanliness and purity or not and many other things including in family also.

[@resolverachit3860]

Toh kya fir apni mother ka bhi jhota nhi khaa skte

[@84LA84]

Very true paaji, we need to ensure we are in line with Rehat Maryada and are disciplined and steadfast as Sikhs, otherwise 200/300 years down the line Sikhi will become very diluted, but with Maharaj's kirpa we can be the change we'd like to see.

[@sukhjeetsingh108]

Veerji.. I think the rehat says amritdhari should only marry to other amritdhari otherwise it would breach the rehat... your thoughts on this?

[@mrsinghsingh6905]

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh. Sukhjeet S Ji... Yes, the rehat says amritdhari should only marry to other amritdhari otherwise it would breach the rehat.

[@kiwisloverabbits]

yes, but some people take amrit after marriage.

[@backester_singhaman6914]

yea one of my friend is amritdhari but his wife became amritdhari after 3-4 months of marriage. so I guess rehat was broken but guru ji looked out?

[@komaljeet7884]

Watch nanak naam channel on this topic

[@googleuser737]

This is a misconception made by today's sikh groups. I am also a Amritdhari and imagine during our Gurus time like during Guru Gobind Singh Ji, there were be so many cases when non-sikhs offering them food, so is it possible that our Gurus rejected them?? as such it's showing clear discrimination or simple Brahmin-Waad?? The answer is No, our Great Gurus never rejected. Even it has been told not to eat jhoot, which doesn't refers to eating food from same plate or saliva but anything that has been not earned by hard work or which is simply haraam! Also same way when we enter Gurudwara Sahib a common phrase is written in every Gurudwara saying Hath Suche kr K andr Jao(refering pure ur dirty hands before entering Gurudwara)! So what we do we simply wash our hands without understanding the deep concept. I mean yeah washing hands before entering is must as it implies a good hygiene which is a basic part of Sikhi. But here the term dirt refers to those dirty works that we unfortunately do's with our hands in our dirly lives! Like before entering Gurudwara Sahib we must do some seva and do some good.work as it is the actual meaning of this quote and basic principle of Sikhi! At last Gurbani itself says that nothing is pure in this world! Including water which we use to wash hands! Also it's scientifically proven! Everything in Gurbani is Scientifically proven!🙏 Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji Ki Fateh!

[@ranveerkahlon139]

U didn’t get the point

[@googleuser737]

@@ranveerkahlon139 I want to ask u one question:- Suppose u are not a Amrithari and u hav 2 sikh Amrithari friends, and u are a non sikh. So in a group of 3, since 2 are Amrithari sikhs, u guys don't hav much buck so u ordered one plate fried rice. Now tell me how would u feel when those 2 Amrithari will say since u are a non sikh or non Amrithari so u cannot have food from our plate , because ur saliva is impure, But we 2 can hav from same plate because our salvia is not impure for the other one . Will this doesn't sound like brahmin culture in which Amrithari consider him to be superior! Instead Guru Sahib created Khalsa which means pure but not from such myths, but with "soul and physical hygiene"! This is what a Amrithari is supposed to be!

[@googleuser737]

@@ranveerkahlon139 why I am contradicting it because this thing was never existing but with time many Sikhs started doing this. Today many Amrithari Sikhs don't allow non Amrithari to prepare his food. Is it what our Guru Sahib has instructed? First Ang of Guru Granth Sahib Ji says in Jap Ji Sahib that God is timeless, genderless, formless and without any hatred! Ek pita, Ekas K hum Barik( there is one God and we all are his children! And if still that was a case then why Guru Sahib said Mans ki jaat sabhe ek pechano? Why Guru Nanak Dev Ji ate food offered by a low cast person who was considered untouchable that time? Do you know who created this mindset? Those who started building cast based Gurdwaras, who started keeping two baatas during amrit sanchaar, those who started using their surname as their last name instead of Singh or Kaur. They all are equally responsible for bringing illogical things into Sikhism, just to divide our religion so that we all get divert from our mission which is Raj Karega Khalsa which means Purity shall rule!!! Khalsa is the only hope to make this world a better place to live that's why we recall this after ardaas!

[@kkaur9055]

In my opinion you can definitely share a plate with a non amritdhari who is also a veg.. You can sit around a table as a amritdhari (baptised sikh) eating your vegan meal and your friend can sit around the table eating non veg, nothing wrong with that. You can go to a restaurant with your mixed religious or non religious friends and have a nice meal maybe with your office workers.. Why seclude yourself..(being a baptised sikh doesnt mean you stop socialising - in my opinion you should be socialising more, which will increase awareness etc)Im sure Guru ji had meals with muslim and hindu people, they mustve had their halal meal and guruji had their veg food, if guruji had meals at loads of different places, why are we concerned about sharing or touching a plate you become impure, these stigmas obviously arise from people who dont really understand Sikhi..God Bless

[@RizwanAli-is3db]

I'm Muslim I use to get the food Evey day N I'm great full the way i get my food every day god bless them all

[@aajamahiahsoniawe1876]

Doesn't the rehat conflict with the teachings of SGGS. SGGS teahes us to dissolve our differences be it race, creed and religion. The first line in SGGS says that there is one god, timeless, without distinction and race. If god does not see differences between race, colour then who are we to establish such differences. So doesn't the Rehat enforce such distinctions( Amritdhari/nonAmritdhari) when SGGS clearly seeks to dissolve them?

[@MrManpreetsinghK]

No, the Rehat uttered by Guru Gobind Singh ji, and written down by himself, Bhai Nand Lal Singh Ji, Bhai Prehlad Singh Ji, Bhai Daya Singh ji, Kavi Kankan, Bhai Senapat Singh ji Bhai Jaita Singh ji, and a few other Gursikhs of the time state clearly not to eat from the same plate as others or eat anything they touched (with their mouth, Saliva, or Un washed hands) in ordered to keep Suchum and Aan Bibek.

[@guruword8378]

the guru granth sahib has words of the gurus before khalsa panth was made who through guru gobind singhji completed the Sikh faith as we see it and amritdhari is only for those who are dedicated to the Sikh faith and live their life as a Sikh you don't have to become one if you feel you are not ready and guru granth sahib may not believe in division based on race, creed and religion to get to god but the khalsa panth is different aspect of that created by guru gobind singh and not eating from non amritdhari is to make a community of amritdhari Sikhs and to encourage you to make your own food because as you know Sikhism believes in community

[@basicsofsikhi]

Please note that sharing food does not refer to giving food to someone but about sharing the same plate and glass, ie where saliva of one person has touched the food/spoon and other person eats/drinks from same place. Parents and children or married couples will often share spoons/glasses or even same plate.

[@TheSatbirsinghrajpal]

I think the question was if Amritdhari should eat food given/prepared by Non Amritdhari. Unfortunately today Amritdhari’s are doing the same discrimination which are Gurus rejected. They won’t sit and eat food served or prepared by non Amritdhari.

[@jassimarsingh6505]

Yeah that's called sarbloh bibek. Every proper amritdhari should follow sarbloh bibek but it's quite hard. Those who follow it don't bash them.

[@TheSatbirsinghrajpal]

@@jassimarsingh6505 sarbloh bibek a fantasy name for to continue discrimination. When Gurus shared their food with common people who are we to create a divide.

[@user-uf6wc2zf6r]

would you sit with a person who drinks a lot and take drugs. obviously not.

[@Simransingh355-u1l]

​@@TheSatbirsinghrajpal why you people always trying to discredit rehat. Dilsaaf jatha sucks man.

[@mohanvirsinghsaran536]

That is Basics of Sikhi's understanding. Rehat is simply an interpretation of the Shabad and hence subjective. The attachment to Rehat has been the downfall of Sikhi and as another brother said: at one point in history the 'Rehat' told us to exclude 'lower caste' followers. The only Rehat worth keeping is the Knowledge and Love of the formless primal Guru. We have focussed on the material and forgotten the immaterial. Sikhi attaches us to the immaterial and breaks us free from the physical. WJKK WJKF

[@MrManpreetsinghK]

The Rehat of a sikh are Dictums from The Gurus themselves, and they are quite clear. Eating Jhooth is also mentioned in those dictums.

[@basicsofsikhi]

Please note that sharing food does not refer to giving food to someone but about sharing the same plate and glass, ie where saliva of one person has touched the food/spoon and other person eats/drinks from same place. Parents and children or married couples will often share spoons/glasses or even same plate.

[@TheAmenine]

+Manpreet Singh Ethical human being is an immature human being. Ethics and norms doesn't make our life , your consiousness makes your life. Now you are holding on to your ethics because you have no consiousness. Ethics / Rules / Priniciples you picked up from outside. Whatever the religion put down as the rules , they are just the norms with which one can function when they don't know how to function. But all the time relying on the norms is a quality of an immature human being because you have no experience to life. You are just saying what is written in Guru Granth Sahib and by Guru Gobind Singh Ji without having any experience of what has been said. You are just telling a lie to yourself thats it. Once you read the Gurbani , you just don't go on believing every single word written in it because there are things written in Gurbani that are not yet in our experience. It's true for Guru only and not yet for you. So we can keep that words in our mind of God and so but we don't have to believe on God , just say "I Don't know" , when you will know it by yourself then there is no question of believing something. If there is experience to each and every word in Gurbani believing what is write and wrong will vanish. The thought to believe something will vanish. At that time you will just live a life and only life thats it. No norms , nothing. Regarding eating Jhooth:ਕਿਸੇਨਾਲਨਰਲੀਆਕਾਈਕੋਈਸ਼ੋਕਪਯੋਨੇ॥ -Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji (Reply to Basics of Sikhi and Others) - Amritdharis cannot eat food from Non-Amritdharis plates, in order to keep Suchum. That is quite understandable. But Amritdharis eating food from another Amritdharis is acceptable here. Why?.. When people take Amrit , they take it one by one from same Baata (Large Bowl). Now where is your Suchum? .. You are still taking food from someone. And don't tell me that we are family that's why we do it.. Really ? .. In actual Whole Humanity is one Big family. So why not take it from Non-Amritdharis also and why only from Amrithdharis ? .. Dude , you are making no - sense to me , maybe it will make sense to all the ignorant people here but not to me. According to my understanding we don't eat food from other people just to avoid Saliva. Infectious diseases are spread through several routes of transmission. “Oral transmission” refers to spreading of microbes through saliva, foods or drinks. Transmission of hepatitis B virus through saliva has been well documented. So it's obvious that we should not eat from anybody's plate whether he/she is Amritdharis or Non-Amritdharis because We don't really know that other person is healthy or not so we mostly avoid taking food from other's plate. I'm not Amritdhari but still I don't take other people food or drink from other people glass , not even from my mother's glass. But sometimes I take it from others , also from my mom but mostly I avoid taking it. So even Amritdharis should not take food from other Amritdharis because of various infectious diseases that can spread. Otherwise Incase of emotions being heavy on you , you can take it , its all personal. It's your life , but should avoid most of the time taking it from someone else. Now Intelligence is to avoid jhooth most of the time. Today people almost saying such stupid things that if they by mistake eat jhooth of other , they will say .. omg .. I have to take amrit again. Really ? .. It shows you are such an idiot who is just relying on norms , ethics without having any consiousness of his own. Believing everything blindly.

[@jagratsoni]

@@TheAmenine Beautiful Singh Ji. Your every line makes perfect sense to me.

[@mr.oatsbiscuit7450]

Definitely not what Guru Nanak had in mind, separation of people based on status....even can't share food. Sikh first!

[@craigsmith7910]

Shut up you bellend

[@guruword8378]

do u only believe in guru nanak reject the rest

[@gurditasingh08]

The true of Gursikh congress from Gurbani from our Guru Granth Sahib Jee and that home also within is that Guru Jee has made... That focuses on eliminating 5 chor but also to remember guru before our after making a mistake... No matter of how small or big deal it may be Jee as long as we remember Maharaj will forgive and bless us with more

[@Manumanu-rl8ot]

OM NAMA SHIVAYA

[@samarjeetsingh1305]

Manu manu smoked some?

[@prabalslathia8680]

@@samarjeetsingh1305 Did you?

[@ryanmwestate]

@@samarjeetsingh1305 your father does

[@kamalpreet875]

sir pls reply me with ans..can sikh eat eggs...yes or no

[@Learnwithfun-21]

Its up to u, there is no restriction, Although i m vegetarian and dat is my choice to eat veg or non veg as food

[@komaljeet7884]

If u r amritdhari then not allowed Bcoz when we kill animal negative vibes enter . Then it have bad impact on brain . It can effect badly on our spiritual path.

[@Pantomime0709]

@@komaljeet7884 lol, that's BS.

[@jaspreet_official]

@@Learnwithfun-21 there are restrictions on eating eggs and non veg food

[@Learnwithfun-21]

Komal jee Gurbani says " Jete dhane ann ke jeeyaan vaaj na koey".Whatever thing give us life can't be without life. Do read Bhai veer Singh jee "Kalgidhar Chamatkaar".

[@rai6373]

Was that a yes or a no? Not very clear, you did a big speech but didn't answer the question.

[@tinafawnsey]

It was a no and then he proceeded to say that for himself he won't deny from his mother who birthed and raised him and his children until the age when they can grasp the concept of life and reality. Questions with in-depth answers cannot be answered with a simple yes or no, however he did make his statement clearly at 1:20

[@PaMartin123]

Wait what? I thought sikhs share food with all people

[@MrManpreetsinghK]

We share food as in give food to others, but we aren't supposed to eat from others.

[@basicsofsikhi]

Please note that sharing food does not refer to giving food to someone but about sharing the same plate and glass, ie where saliva of one person has touched the food/spoon and other person eats/drinks from same place. Parents and children or married couples will often share spoons/glasses or even same plate.

[@dannyirishgreen3287]

@pamartin 123 Bro a Sikh temple is open to every person in the world.its open to the public anyone can eat at the Gurdwara (Sikh Temple) Anybody is allowed in as long as u cover ur head..respect.We don't Discriminate.

[@shrivrindavannath367]

Hunt Slither same thing. Not eating from same plate, but can eat in same place or table.

[@guruword8378]

yes that is same but if a sikh brahmin and a sikh dalit are together they can sit with eachother same plate a hindu brahmin will keep dalit far away

[@RizwanAli-is3db]

Very happy with these people's

[@radicalkills123]

Amazing

[@kanguernoorani4091]

Amrit to prabhu ka naam hai , ye Amrit to sab ko dharan karnay ka updesh guru sahiban detain hay . You need differentiate between 'amrit' and 'khanday batay di pahol " what you are saying is the latter one .

[@974pk]

I find it hard to explain to friends why I don't eat in their house being an amrithari, even if they don't eat meat, they lick their fingers whilst cooking and there is no sucham in their food. If I try to explain, they say what makes you more special as an amrithari that you can't share our food. Amrithari or not, I don't like others licking their fingers, but it's their house, my friends also say it's rude to reject their food. What's the easiest way to explain to friends and family?

[@ishansingh4661]

One way to approach this situation is to explain the significance of food in Sikhism, particularly the importance of eating food prepared with love and cleanliness, and the concept of sucham. You can also explain that it's not about being "more special," but rather about following your own personal beliefs and values. It's important to communicate your dietary restrictions with your friends and family in a respectful and non-judgmental way, and to emphasize that your decision is not a reflection on their cooking or hospitality. You could say something like, "I really appreciate your kindness and generosity, but as an Amrithari Sikh, I have certain dietary restrictions that I follow. It's not about rejecting your food or thinking that it's not clean, but rather about following my own beliefs and values."

[@kamaladevi1110]

Guru nanak was born from a Hindu family but he didn't agree with certain beliefs like idols caste etc all guru's were reincarnated from him until guru gorbind Singh ji he created khalsa panth it's not hard to learn

[@harshdeepkaur4481]

Great

[@ryanmwestate]

So its a problem when brahmins say they wont eat from a shudra or a different caste but its not a problem when an amritdhari says he/she wont share food with a non amritdhari? hahaha thats very clever.

[@ASMR-XI-ZUI]

Can sikhi help allieviate mental illness such as schizophrenia, ocd, fear, worry, anxiety, psychosis, ptsd, panic etc?

[@DeepSingh-gj1rz]

It helped me

[@Yis_ishrat]

Yes

[@user-uf6wc2zf6r]

it did for me. I listened to kirtan and path

[@zeenatparker8287]

So what if you traveling and you extreamly hungry, then some offers you food

[@rockybuzz3265]

Use your own brain..Guru ji can guide you only

[@pavanSingh-ts5ym]

An amritdhari Sikh should sit and eat with all people regardless of there choice. In fact, being a Sikh of the Guru we are encouraged to set an example for those who need guidance and direction. By isolating and mandating these ridiculous beliefs we are contradicting the true message of Guru Granth Sahib.

[@pshindigamingmobilegamer2609]

True

[@YouthfullKhalsa]

Waheguru ji ka Khalsa Waheguru ji ki fhate i wanted to ask I ate a Tim Bit and Did not know that there are eggs and I am Amrit tari I don't have a way to go to the panj Phyare what should I do?

[@YouthfullKhalsa]

I was told that there are none and ate one of them but later on research found out

[@nmnnmnm4637]

​@@YouthfullKhalsa where did you take amrit? You can't go back there for pesh?

[@abqkaza]

What's an amardhari? Hope I said it right

[@colie915]

A SIkh who has been baptized and then belongs to "Khalsa". They are called "gursikhs" and follow only the Guru Granth Sahib. :) (Just a quick explanation).

[@kamaladevi1110]

A baptised sikh

[@anirbanbhattacharjee4188]

and brahmins are discriminatory

[@averonazex3521]

U dumb?

[@medicalscience4669]

Is this mam a Rule master Does he meet the almighty???

[@simply2ghetto]

How inclusive...

[@japzsingh5585]

What do you mean

[@simply2ghetto]

@@japzsingh5585 I mean this guy (God rest his soul) used to go on about inclusivity and humanity but sharing a plate with someone who is not a religious Sikh? Not permitted.

[@japzsingh5585]

@@simply2ghetto well you can if they are immediate family as he explained im pretty sure most people in the world anyway wouldn't eat other peoples food or leftovers etc The reason amritdhari are so strict is because they ordered to keep certain rehat and avoid any contact with someone who may have consumed something that is forbidden beforehand such as meat or alcohol

[@simply2ghetto]

@@japzsingh5585 I appreciate the response. Where are you from if I may ask?

[@japzsingh5585]

@@simply2ghetto UK bro

[@migi9701]

I've encountered situations where the edict in question is followed such that Amritdhari Sikhs believe they cannot consume food prepared by a non-Amritdhari person (even though it is vegetarian, ex. taking water, or roti for example). Why is this the case?

[@komaljeet7884]

I think bcoz they keep lot of hygiene

[@jassimarsingh6505]

Sarbloh bibek di maryada, research it.

[@nmnnmnm4637]

But what about the langar at gurudwara? Anybody can do seva in the langar hall. They are not all amritdhari? Or is that different because langar gets the bhog of siri sahib where food gets blessed. I am trying to understand myself because i do understand that eating out at restaurants is risky because you can't fully trust them. And many times they have cross contamination going on.

[@rajveerkaur4640]

I can't get my answer?Anybody plz tell me simply ...

[@rockybuzz3265]

No

[@rockybuzz3265]

Dont ear jhooth of non amritdharis

[@googleuser737]

This is a misconception made by today's sikh groups. I am also a Amritdhari and imagine during our Gurus time like during Guru Gobind Singh Ji, there were be so many cases when non-sikhs offering them food, so is it possible that our Gurus rejected them?? as such it's showing clear discrimination or simple Brahmin-Waad?? The answer is No, our Great Gurus never rejected. Even it has been told not to eat jhoot, which doesn't refers to eating food from same plate or saliva but anything that has been not earned by hard work or which is simply haraam! Also same way when we enter Gurudwara Sahib a common phrase is written in every Gurudwara saying Hath Suche kr K andr Jao(refering pure ur dirty hands before entering Gurudwara)! So what we do we simply wash our hands without understanding the deep concept. I mean yeah washing hands before entering is must as it implies a good hygiene which is a basic part of Sikhi. But here the term dirt refers to those dirty works that we unfortunately do's with our hands in our dirly lives! Like before entering Gurudwara Sahib we must do some seva and do some good.work as it is the actual meaning of this quote and basic principle of Sikhi! At last Gurbani itself says that nothing is pure in this world! Including water which we use to wash hands! Also it's scientifically proven! Everything in Gurbani is Scientifically proven!🙏 Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji Ki Fateh!

[@GurmeetSingh-pm9kj]

Awar Allah noor upaya, kudrat ke sab bande. Ek noor te sab jag upjea, kaun bhale ko mande. We are the children of God, then why cant we share from each other’s plate? Sikhism can’t be so narrow minded.

[@BhajanMan]

Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji, preached people to be equal not divide

[@sajryder2541]

This makes no sense

[@muhammadabu-bakr421]

Equality gone out the window 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@phreakydad]

First rule that I find in Sikhi that is divisive of humans.

[@kemchy3838]

What is amritdhari

[@komaljeet7884]

A person who take amrosial nectar in presence of five lovers of god nd it takes place in front of shri guru Granth Sahib g

[@puregoods1]

"Manas Ki Jaat Sab Ek Na Hoi." "Naa Koi Hindu Naa Koi Musalmaan." The Khalsa is one big family, but don't forget that all humans are as well. Don't question the Rehat? Is that not what we are supposed to do? Question how practices go against Guru Granth Sahib? At one point, the Rehat said that low caste Sikhs are not allowed to enter Darbar Sahib sarovar. Would you blindly follow the Rehat then? The Rehat changes. When Bandai Khalsa wore red, the Rehat stated to not wear red. When the Mughals persecuted us, the Rehat said not to talk to a Turk, but later on Sikhs got their kingship (*Sultan Ul Qaum* Jassa Singh Ahluwalia, *Nawab* Kapur Singh) directly from the Mughals who were helping them defeat the greater enemy at the time (Abdali's Afghans). With this video, I no longer have faith in what you are teaching and can no longer recommend you to those interested in Sikhi. Are you teaching the Guru's path; one of discipline interweaved with critical thinking and questioning what we do? Or are you solely following whatever Rehat states, regardless of whether it makes logical sense or in line with Gurbani. Namdev says, the Muslim is blind in one eye, the Hindu in both. When we cut off our actual connection to Gurbani and only follow the Rehat (and forget that the Rehat is allowed to and supposed to change) even when contradictory, we are living a blind life.

[@MrManpreetsinghK]

ਕਿਸੇਨਾਲਨਰਲੀਆਕਾਈਕੋਈਸ਼ੋਕਪਯੋਨੇ॥ -Sri Dasam Patshah Ki Granth. The above Tukk clearly says not to eat mixed with others (as in from the same plate, or their Jhooth). The Sikh Rehat Maryada, Gurmat Rehat Maryada, Gurmat Bibek, and the Sikh Dharm Maryada is based on research done on Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji and many texts and Granths. There are differences, but the Suchum and Bibekta in eating cannot be denied. The Rehat was uttered by Guru Gobind Singh in his Rehatnamas, Bhai Nand Lal Singh Ji's Rehatnama & Nasihatnama, Bhai Prehlad Singh Ji's Rehatnama, Sarbloh Granth, Dasam Patshah Ki Granth, and is further sourced in Bhai Gurdas Ji's Bani, Bhai Jaita Singh's Bani: Sri Guru Katha, Kavi Kankan's Das Guru Katha, Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, and historic texts. You take a commonly quoted Tukk from Guru Granth Sahib ji, and despite its Arth, and context, you use it to defy Aan Bibek. If you took the time to read Bani and study a bit more, you wouldn't have made that comment.

[@guruword8378]

no there was no complete rehat at that time there were many different rehats, hukanama, early Sikh writers who tell us what guruji said and starting 90 years ago and later 50 years ago where it was completed and things like not talking to turks, giving things to Brahmins was rejected because it was not seen by Sikh scholars and giani who took time to study and saw it not being compatible with Sikh philosophy and the reason it was made was to unite Sikhs and remove the issues that can divide us if you just question it will cause division but today I do think something need to be changed where possible and if you think he isn't doing a good job then don't watch it I think is one of the few Sikh people who are honest and doing a great job unlike many other fraud corrupt Sikhs who many Sikhs look up to

[@puregoods1]

Guru Word I agree on your interpretation of the Rehat. I think that it was an excellent job done to unite Sikhs, to have a concrete code, and to make sure everything is in line with Sikh thought. I am not saying we don't need a Rehat-the Rehats are extremely powerful for maintaining our Sikhi. At the same time, why are we glued to this Rehat? Even Jagraj Singh states that we can make changes to the Rehat, yet there is a significant bloc of people who state that the Rehat is already divine law and thus un-penetrable to change. The Sikh panth has again changed much since the 20s, and is hugely divided; just like those brave members of Singh Sabha, we need people to hold honest discussions about what should and should not be in Rehit and what should be changed over time. "I think is one of the few Sikh people who are honest and doing a great job unlike many other fraud corrupt Sikhs who many Sikhs look up to" I agree. I respect Jagrag Singh quite a bit, which is why I keep up with his videos. Unlike many self-professed "Sants" nowadays, he seems genuinely passionate, humble, and knowledgable about his Sikhi. I do disagree with him on many things, which we can go on to debate. What I felt irked about the video was the authoritativeness he stated his facts and his lack of nuance; it may be an isolated video, and while I still think it was in good heart, I have to say I am disappointed.

[@puregoods1]

Manpreet Singh>ਕਿਸੇਨਾਲਨਰਲੀਆਕਾਈਕੋਈਸ਼ੋਕਪਯੋਨੇ॥ -Sri Dasam Patshah Ki Granth. >The above Tukk clearly says not to eat mixed with others (as in from the same plate, or their Jhooth). Could you give me the specific page number and context? I couldn’t find on my own. FYI, there are also Tukks from Dasam Granth promoting caste, and stating that women are inferior. I would hope if you profess to be knowledgable that the Dasam Granth is *still* controversial at best as a full-out source solely including the tenth Guru's bani. In fact, the early Panth had several debates on whether to elevate it to the same level as Gurbani from the Adi Granth; only after Sukha and Mehtab Singh was it decided to be authoritative by the Khalsa Panth. Even then, we still hold GGS to be our utmost authority due to its sanctity given by the tenth master. Interestingly enough, the Dasam Granth with its pro-caste passages was crucial for the Sanatan Sikhi movement that installed idols in Harimandir Sahib and banned Mazhabis before Singh Sabha. How do you reconcile this Tukk with Guru Gobind Singh's Brahmin chef Gangu? And there is also absolutely no mention of jhooth in the work of Sainapat, you're making that up completely which makes me doubt a good amount of the rest of your post. There are too many logical and historical holes in Dasan Granth to cite it at the level of other Gurbani; we simply don't know whether it was all Guru Gobind Singh or some of his poets mixed in as well. >The Sikh Rehat Maryada, Gurmat Rehat Maryada, Gurmat Bibek, and the Sikh Dharm Maryada is based on research done on Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji and many texts and Granths. There are differences, but the Suchum and Bibekta in eating cannot be denied. You still refuse to engage in critical and logical thinking but cite these Rehats as if they are divine law. Peoples' interpretations change over time. All the earlier Rehats also state women should not take Khande Di Pahul and some even state women cannot read Gurbani. I am not saying the makers of the other Rehats' interpretations of Gurbani are invalid; if they are valid, why can't supporters of this Rehat logically support their conclusions instead of relying on other peoples' Rehits? I am interested to see a citation from Bhai Gurdas Ji da vaaran regarding where this comes from; could you give me a English and Punjabi source for that? Interesting considering there were no Amritdharis at his time... I also hope you realize that as of now, there's no authenticated Rehat directly from Guru Gobind Singh. The 52 hukams are abridged from various contemporary Rehats. Rehats also did not exist before Guru Gobind Singh; it was part of the innovation of the Khalsa. I'm sure not eating Jhooth may have served some purpose in earlier times, and thus its inclusion in rehatnama was necessary. Nowadays, there is absolutely no justification. You claim I need to read Bani so I wouldn't make that comment; unlike you, I have cited authenticated GURbani. If you wish to have a rational discussion based on bani as to why Jhooth is necessary, be my guest. I'm not going to bother parsing through hagiography and moral codes created 200+ years ago for a specific time and instance when it contradicts a fundamental concept, a "basic of Sikhi." Unlike the early Khalsa who created these Rehats, we seem to be less interested in looking at what the modern day entails and how we intertwine those demands with a Sikh lifestyle, and more with trying to blindly copy the mannerisms of a people that lived in a much different time and area and knew how to adapt the Rehats to the benefit of their panths. And now that I think about it, I feel as if you think my position is one of a liberal simpleton not properly acquainted with the actual historical references. I think you’ve listed a lot of Banis and historical texts, expecting me to be daunted by your knowledge and use of esoteric vocabulary. Unfortunately for your argument, I’m actually pretty well acquainted with a lot of these works; the Guru Granth Sahib is my favorite, now that you mention it. www.sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=1738 I wonder what Guru Sahib today would have to say about the man-eaters and their fear of the “polluted food”; they certainly look a lot different in the modern day, with their turbans and beards! ;)

[@MrManpreetsinghK]

puregoods1 The tukk can be found in the Patna Sahib Bir, or Amrit Kirtan Gutka by the Akhand Kirtani Jatha. You won't find that shabad in the SGPC versions. You will find tukks mentioning castes but I have yet to find one that promotes the inferiority or superiority of any. Regarding the mentioning of inferiority of women in Dasam Bani, the Charitaropakhyan is pulled out of context. Bhai Jarmanjit Singh of Tapoban Sahib has already clarified that, along with all other doubts on Sri Dasam Patshah Ki Granth. I have no need to get into the Dasam Granth arguement since we have already proven Kala-Afghana, Ghagga, Ragi Darshan etc. wrong numerous times. Sadly, despite that, the Anti-Dasam Granth soch shamelessly brings it's hideous head up ever so often. Practically, every text out of the 1429 Angs of Guru Granth Sahib is under a form Scrutiny, including Bhai Gurdas Ji's Vaars and Kabits. The early debates of Bhai Mehtaab Singh and Bhai Sukha Singh were on whether it should be kept as a Kuliyat or separated into smaller Pothis respectively. Dasam Patshah Ki Granth is at most a nightmare for the Snatanists. Gangu could have served as a chef for the Kavi Darbar, muslim warriors, and hindu warriors in his army. 'And there is also absolutely no mention of jhooth in the work of Sainapat, you're making that up completely which makes me doubt a good amount of the rest of your post.' I advise you to read my comment carefully, before accusing me of anything. When I said Rehat, I meant the Rehat as a whole. I don't support or believe in the "Rehats" you mention, considering they aren't from authentic sources. "I am interested to see a citation from Bhai Gurdas Ji da vaaran regarding where this comes from; could you give me a English and Punjabi source for that? Interesting considering there were no Amritdharis at his time..." Bhai Gurdas Ji's Vaaran are of the first six Guru's times, you can't expect a dictum of Dasam Patshah or a Rehat claimed to be given by him to be in there. I think it's best if I hand you all the Vaaran and Kabit Svaiyye of Bhai Gurdas ji. You could really use them. "Interesting considering there were no Amritdharis at his time..." ਚਰਨਧੋਇਰਹਰਾਸਿਕਰਿਚਰਣਾਮ੍ਰਿਤਸਿਖਾਂਪੀਲਾਇਆ || Seems to me that you forgot about the above tukk from Bhai Gurdas ji's Bani. Is this Bani authentic enough for you? Seems that my claim about you needing to read Bani is justified. The 52 Hukams (whether written by Guru sahib or not) are backed in Suraj Prakash Granth and a few authentic Rehatnamas, one of which Kavi Santokh Singh ( I believe) did Shudai of. But of course, those must be drops of snatan venom for you or inauthentic texts (I wonder how many texts you've thrown out with that claim.). I wasn't expecting you to be daunted by the use of my vocabulary and knowledge. Here's what you should wonder about: What would Guru Sahib have to say about those who add dubida to Gurbani ;)

[@KarSevak1992]

Silly rules. Getting ridiculous like Islam.

[@guruword8378]

you dont like leave there are rules for a reason these rules for amritdhari not all sikhs and being amritdhari is hard

[@adamsonadam3406]

Islam is the truth, do your research with a real scholar of Islam

[@arunsaxena8275]

pajji pure punjabi cha dass kar sanu english nhi aand

[@kaushikpatel4818]

Toh fer dub mar.

[@daman9304]

@@kaushikpatel4818 aggressive, are we 💀💀

[@jamessmith4455]

I’ve been bingeing a lot of videos about Sikhism because I love it so much but this was not good. Everything I’ve learned about it so far tells me you’re wrong.

[@adamsonadam3406]

Do research on Islam, islam is the true religion

[@cyberdyne6188]

@@adamsonadam3406 Islam is anything but a religion

[@saif1980saif]

I thought the gurus ate meat. So why u amrit dharis veggie?

[@saif1980saif]

Guru govinda singh ji ate meat. These people think they know more than the guru

[@hamzah6251]

I rm

[@Ryan-jk5xn]

What religion are you now

[@hamzah6251]

Ryan none

[@Ryan-jk5xn]

@@hamzah6251 do you want to become a Sikh? Congrats on leaving Islam

[@hamzah6251]

Ryan :) I don’t want to be a sikh, I don’t need a religion in my life to give me inner strength or rules to live by... however I can appreciate sikhism and like it’s teachings.

[@Ryan-jk5xn]

@@hamzah6251 that's fair enough. All the best to you then. 🙏

[@abcdefgh9513]

AMRITDHARI CAN EAT MEAT EVEN COW BUFFALOES ALSO BECAUSE HINDU DHARAM DOSE NOT ALLOW IT

[@j4smite]

Sikh can eat meet as long as it is not kutha meat (halal or kosher meat) - Sikh Rehat Maryada And you can eat jutha also Sikh are not pandits , and this guy doesnt know wht he is talking about

[@komaljeet7884]

No amritdharis are not allowed to eat meat nd jootha . Bcoz meat causes negative vibes in mind

[@j4smite]

@@komaljeet7884 then Your kirpan has become janeu nd you have became a pandit, and whether you are a carnivour or a herbivour has nothing to do with negative vibes in your mind. You need to meditate and understand gurbani for that.

[@komaljeet7884]

@@j4smite kirpan is for protection. Janeo can't protect. Gurbani nd meditation can only effect on mind when negative vibes are not there. In past we see saints were pure vegetarian even if they belong to any religion. No guru says to eat meat nd no guru has eaten. Bhul jukh kihmaa 🙏🙏

[@j4smite]

@@komaljeet7884 Lol you have clearlynot read itihass, Guru nanak dev ji has eaten Deer that was offered to him by a shikari on the day of solar eclipse which was opposed by the hindu pandits, Guru amardas ji use to serve Maha Parshaad which was meat in his langar, Guru Har Gobind singh ji, Guru Gobind singh ji practiced jhatka, which is still practiced by nihang singhs today in Hazur sahib and Anandpur sahib, tell me if yoy have never touched kacha mass or meat how will you even use tht sword for protection? If you have never cut meat with it? .. Mass nu hath laun to galeen andi hai aur kehnde a sword use karunge self protection lai 😂😂😂😂The thing is vaishno thinking has taken over you so much that you have left sikhi and become pandits, Go and Read sikh rehat maryada first.. Are you telling me a guy in iceland where nothing grows and is only surviving on fish can not become a sikh? Ofcourse he cn sikhi is a global vichardhara, it has nothing to do with what you eat, you have become pandit the very thing our gurus have tried to uplift you from you are falling in the same hole agin and again

[@komaljeet7884]

@@j4smite sikhi apna skde aa sikh vichardhara nu apna k bt amritdharis are not allowed to eat meat. Main Sikh history read kiti aa. Sb toh imp. Gl e aa k apan humans aa nd god is one. God bless u 🤗🤗

[@RAJEEVKUMAR-xk5pz]

Naamdhari phakhandi

[@neverjudge3279]

what the hell...

[@samp811]

We Muslims share our food with all. Stop your BS !!!