"Can Anything Good Come out of Nazareth?" EXPLAINED

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29 күн бұрын

I'm continuing my series on how history outside of the Bible backs up the Gospels. This video explores regional prejudices in the Gospels, highlighting Judean views of Galileans and their alignment with Jewish sources. It examines how these biases support the authenticity of the Gospel narratives and provide historical context for cultural divisions of the time.
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@sliglusamelius8578
@sliglusamelius8578 27 күн бұрын
The NT reads as history, That's that. It's not Harry Potter. Skeptics gonna skeptic.
@user-io9ie5cs8j
@user-io9ie5cs8j 27 күн бұрын
HaHa Harry Potter indeed! And your last sentence? You have no idea. No idea. Skeptics is an understatement.
@litigioussociety4249
@litigioussociety4249 27 күн бұрын
There's also a monetary incentive with writing such things today; hence, why people right religious books all the time about Jesus. John wasn't selling his gospel. There's nothing in the gospel of John that awards him power and riches beyond being an apostle, which was already established. The only benefit is to get people to stop asking him to reiterate an event or teaching, and with the lack of copies he still would have had to do that. A contrast would be something like the Hadith in Islam. Many of those supplementary texts mention power and other benefits for those using them.
@greenbird679
@greenbird679 27 күн бұрын
@@user-io9ie5cs8j yeah.. u r the only person who has idea... LOL
@user-io9ie5cs8j
@user-io9ie5cs8j 27 күн бұрын
@@greenbird679 Why the ridicule brother?
@greenbird679
@greenbird679 27 күн бұрын
@@user-io9ie5cs8j I am sorry. I thought you were ridiculing the OP
@stevej71393
@stevej71393 27 күн бұрын
I think something to help put things into perspective is what the Jews were expecting the Messiah to be. The Messiah was prophesied to be a son of David, but also the "Root of Jesse". In other words, he would be descended from David but also superior to David. The Jews had a very high view of King David as the symbol of a righteous and godly ruler, so naturally the Messiah would be the mostly kingly and noble of Judeans. Imagine if some hillbilly from the Appalachians said he was King Arthur. That's probably how many Jews saw Jesus.
@gwallsky
@gwallsky Ай бұрын
Your context videos are crazy good, please keep making them
@ALDANIELLEFLOREN
@ALDANIELLEFLOREN 27 күн бұрын
Yeah keep educating us
@FishermensCorner
@FishermensCorner 27 күн бұрын
Agreed. Love it
@80krauser
@80krauser 27 күн бұрын
'He's literally me! fr fr', as the kids say.
@F0r3v3rT0m0rr0w
@F0r3v3rT0m0rr0w 27 күн бұрын
Good work hitting on the Spiderman fallacy. Also, if they claim the bible is full of magic, just hit them with "to the uneducated scientific practices can look like magic." A Being beyond our 3 dimensions could perform feats beyond our comprehension.
@austingeorge6659
@austingeorge6659 Ай бұрын
Hahahaha! I just found you yesterday and was confused why this video had 33 views. Didn't realize it was just uploaded xDDD These are great, man. We'll be going through some of these in our upcoming Bible study. I like to provide the guys with some of the things they'll hear and encounter when they're in the world (they're college age). These help tremendously, and I'm excited to share these with them. I grew up reading the Bible but was Atheist when I turned 16 and through 18.5 yrs old. I asked God for 4 things: miracles, evidence, logic, and answers to all 50 of my questions (I wanted to follow whoever God was, if He existed at all). When I was 18.5, God had answered my last question and the other 3 I had already received enough of. It's logical insight like this that is very helpful. I plan to make 1 minute videos (different channel) explaining things I didn't know when I was younger. Praying for you!
@DeusVult838
@DeusVult838 Ай бұрын
Oh man I found this in his "History Backs The Bible" playlist.
@MrMortal_Ra
@MrMortal_Ra Ай бұрын
Shhh, don’t anyone that this is the place where you can watch new videos early before it gets listed.
@TestifyApologetics
@TestifyApologetics Ай бұрын
​@@MrMortal_Rapatrons get to watch with a clear conscience lol
@Bildad1976
@Bildad1976 27 күн бұрын
I identify with the Galileans, as I am a hillbilly from deep in a holler (that's "hollow" to you city folks) in the mountains of West Virginia.
@NathanSaor1798
@NathanSaor1798 27 күн бұрын
I’m from England and I love Appalachian culture and history! Love West Virginia. I’m from West Country England and I always get corrections in speech from standard British English speakers.
@eugenetswong
@eugenetswong 26 күн бұрын
It's makes sense that Jesus would have chosen [i.e.: chosen before the world began] to live in Galilee. It seems more like a grassroots area.
@doughammond8932
@doughammond8932 27 күн бұрын
They said no prophet ever comes from Galilee but Jonah was from Galilee. Also, Galilee means "circle of the nations" or "region of the Gentiles", so there were a lot of Gentiles in Galilee. Both of these facts are prophetic indicators that the Gospel would go forth from the land of the Jews to all the lands of the Gentiles. And of course, it is another tip-off to "the sign of Jonah."
@F0r3v3rT0m0rr0w
@F0r3v3rT0m0rr0w 27 күн бұрын
To give them some credit Jonah was kind of a horrid prophet. The dude ran away, died in a whale, and then had a hissy fit when YHWH forgave the people he was to doom and gloom.
@doughammond8932
@doughammond8932 27 күн бұрын
@@F0r3v3rT0m0rr0w Jonah was disobedient for a time and then afterwards saw things his own way instead of God's way, and God corrected him in a wonderfully gentle and beautiful way. But God, knowing the end from the beginning, used Jonah to show the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ, and how by the Holy Spirit, the Gospel would go forth to not only the Jews but also to the Gentiles. And the Holy Spirit appeared in bodily form as a dove at Jesus' baptism, and Jonah means "Dove" in Hebrew. Furthermore, Jonah was vomited up on the dry ground by the whale. What a strange word to picture resurrection, we might think. But of course, sperm whale vomit contains an incredibly precious substance called ambergris, which is prized by master perfumers for its ability to 'raise' other olfactory notes.
@F0r3v3rT0m0rr0w
@F0r3v3rT0m0rr0w 27 күн бұрын
@doughammond8932 not discounting that it's a good book, with value. Simply putting myself in a pharacies shoes as to why they might not hold Jonah in high regard.
@cyndiduke6626
@cyndiduke6626 26 күн бұрын
What about history from the OT? Like Kedesh in Galilee was a sanctuary city as well as Solomon giving 20 cities in Galilee to the King of Tyre??
@henryflores1164
@henryflores1164 27 күн бұрын
Bro i literally asked this question at the same time you posted, theres no way
@recardooneal9900
@recardooneal9900 11 күн бұрын
Yahweh
@jamesfahey5686
@jamesfahey5686 27 күн бұрын
Love The Office reference.
@MessianicJewJitsu
@MessianicJewJitsu 27 күн бұрын
4:00 like Jeff Foxworthy saying, "Mayonaise." "Mayonaise a lot of people here."
@Austin-kt7ky
@Austin-kt7ky 27 күн бұрын
Man, I haven't thought about Blue Collar Comedy Tour in a long time. Really brings me back.
@eugenetswong
@eugenetswong 26 күн бұрын
"Mayonaise a lot of people here." This doesn't sound like anything to me. What is the punchline or humour?
@MessianicJewJitsu
@MessianicJewJitsu 26 күн бұрын
@@eugenetswong I'm not explaining a joke. Either you have eyes to see and ears to hear, or not.
@eugenetswong
@eugenetswong 26 күн бұрын
@@MessianicJewJitsu Well, I wasn't trying to be rude. I just happen to like Jeff Foxworthy, and it looked like clean humour. Did you have objections to my phrasing?
@MessianicJewJitsu
@MessianicJewJitsu 26 күн бұрын
@@eugenetswong if you like him find the bit. It's his mainstream work. It's better than an online explanation and the possibilities of you missing the point again. You being rude or not doesn't bother me.
@evanthesquirrel
@evanthesquirrel 27 күн бұрын
Have you watched star trek TNG? Talking to secularists about scripture is like Darmok. While universal translators are able to decode the vocabulary of the alien language, the complete lack of cultural cues the federation has on them prevents any actual communication. Except unlike our heroes, atheists (and let's be honest, many many theists) don't even attempt to uncover the context behind the vocabulary. They remain Darmok at Tanagra, never Shaka when the walls fell.
@shinigamimiroku3723
@shinigamimiroku3723 27 күн бұрын
Excellent reference!
@isaiahmumaw
@isaiahmumaw 27 күн бұрын
Just watched that episode last night!
@eugenetswong
@eugenetswong 26 күн бұрын
Evan, that's beautiful.
@Kenny-mu2xb
@Kenny-mu2xb 27 күн бұрын
Fascinating video. I love learning about these cool details in the New Testament
@blue3051
@blue3051 6 күн бұрын
I've often wondered about the verse from John. As a US southerner, I appreciate this explanation SO much.
@ogloc6308
@ogloc6308 27 күн бұрын
i just know someone’s gonna freak out about the drawing of that rabbi 😂
@GTX1123
@GTX1123 27 күн бұрын
Let me tell why this video matters A LOT. This distinction between Judeans and Galileans explains what seems to be a contradiction in the Gospel writers use of the term "the Jews" that is distinctly apart from Yeshua and His disciples; e.g. in John 7 we read "After these things Yeshua walked in Galilee; for He did not want to walk in Judea, because the Jews sought to kill Him". Wasn't Yeshua Himself a Jew?! Of course He was, as were His Galilean Jewish disciples. Much of the antisemitism against Jews in Europe over the centuries was fueled by a misunderstanding of Gospel texts like this passage in John. The better translation of Iουδαῖοι (Ioudaioi) is JUDEAN. The Gospel writers were seeking to highlight this difference between the Jews of Judea vs the Jews of Galilee. You also see this in other parts of the Gospels and in Acts where Jews who lived in the diaspora in Greek countries are referred to as "Greeks" or "Hellenists" as distinct from Jews who came from the land of Israel.
@TommyNitro
@TommyNitro 27 күн бұрын
Yep, Jew comes from "Yehudi", meaning "of Judah". Which would have been the Southern Kingdom (Judah and what was left of Benjamin).
@brotnjanin
@brotnjanin 27 күн бұрын
​​​@@TommyNitro Correct, that's why the proper way is to call them "Galilean Israelites" rather than "Galilean Jews" because "Jews" only refers to the Israelites descended from the tribe of Judah (and Benjamin) / Israelites which have lived in the region of Judah for a considerable amount of time. There were many other tribes in 1st century Israel, so calling all of them "Jews" would be wrong.
@jessknauftofsantaynezvalle4111
@jessknauftofsantaynezvalle4111 25 күн бұрын
This "Judean" word choice/translation was also the view of Fred Danker, who is famous for the Lexicon of that name. Being a German Lutheran he was very concerned about guarding against translations appearing to promote anti-semitism.
@ntabile
@ntabile 27 күн бұрын
The Galileans explanation is clearer than a crystal clear water.
@cyndiduke6626
@cyndiduke6626 26 күн бұрын
What about history from the OT? Like Kedesh in Galilee was a sanctuary city as well as Solomon giving 20 cities in Galilee to the King of Tyre??
@therealkillerb7643
@therealkillerb7643 27 күн бұрын
You missed the significance that Galilee had formerly been the home of the Ten Northern Tribes conquered and resettled by the Assyrians. Jewish towns in Galilee were surrounded by "Samaritans" Greeks, and other pagan peoples - they were looked down on for a reason.
@cyndiduke6626
@cyndiduke6626 26 күн бұрын
What about history from the OT? Like Kedesh in Galilee was a sanctuary city as well as Solomon giving 20 cities in Galilee to the King of Tyre??
@jamesis2blame987
@jamesis2blame987 7 күн бұрын
These videos are FANTASTIC!! Please keep up the good work. These have the power to reach so many people and point them toward Christ
@muppetonmeds
@muppetonmeds 27 күн бұрын
I've also heard where Jesus was raised was the poor side of town what we would call the ghetto.
@user-io9ie5cs8j
@user-io9ie5cs8j 27 күн бұрын
I don't think I ever heard that before. Interesting
@IslandUsurper
@IslandUsurper 12 күн бұрын
@@user-io9ie5cs8j it comes from noting what sacrifice his parents made when they dedicated him at the temple. The law of Moses said it should be a ram, either sheep or goat, but if they couldn’t afford that, two turtledoves would suffice. IIRC, there was another level below that for truly impoverished people that was basically a handful of flour. So Mary and Joseph weren’t affluent, but they weren’t starving either.
@user-io9ie5cs8j
@user-io9ie5cs8j 12 күн бұрын
@@IslandUsurper Ah. Thank you. You know, I don't recall What they offered. It was a dove, wasn't it?
@bk2524
@bk2524 27 күн бұрын
Comedy Central cut it from re-runs? That is ridiculous. Our culture is weak.
@paperIrori
@paperIrori 27 күн бұрын
I praise you profoundly for taking a moment for succinctly reexplaining the spoohderman stuff. It's hard to be patient and loving, and of course you don't have to do it every time, but I think it helps newcomers, and it also serves as a refreshing of the arguments. They shouldn't be so fast to jump to conclusions without examining the rest of the videos, but sadly it's the norm on YT for every kind of content. Blessings.
@bubbaphat8242
@bubbaphat8242 27 күн бұрын
Brother in Christ, praise the Lord your making these videos! I'll be sharing these videos with my unsaved friends to assist in my ministry to them. Your are a huge blessing, thank you! Continue standing up for the Faith!
@Coden11
@Coden11 27 күн бұрын
Thank you for making this!
@marksmith6885
@marksmith6885 27 күн бұрын
Glad to see your channel is gaining traction, much deserved!
@christalmettbrotchen1298
@christalmettbrotchen1298 27 күн бұрын
really enjoy your content brother, God bless you! :)
@sabhishek9289
@sabhishek9289 18 күн бұрын
Amazing video! God bless you.
@jansongunn4214
@jansongunn4214 27 күн бұрын
Another splendid job Eric!👍
@satvrne
@satvrne 26 күн бұрын
These videos are top notch, high quality content. I am grateful for your work, God bless.
@williambrewer
@williambrewer 27 күн бұрын
Good job!
@Jaakko_Lauronen
@Jaakko_Lauronen 27 күн бұрын
Rather interesting!
@rashedduzzamanrubel8012
@rashedduzzamanrubel8012 20 күн бұрын
18:17. “The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.” -(Luke)
@GabrielLopez-mo2xo
@GabrielLopez-mo2xo 27 күн бұрын
So what I’m hearing is Jesus was the ancient Jewish version of a country boy…that’s oddly comforting
@ryanrockstarsessom768
@ryanrockstarsessom768 27 күн бұрын
Thank you
@doulos5815
@doulos5815 27 күн бұрын
In Isaiah it refers to the messiah coming from a humble and lowly upbringing, so it ties into the fact that the messiah was not a royalty
@user-io9ie5cs8j
@user-io9ie5cs8j 27 күн бұрын
I find your videos interesting and informative; I'm glad I chose to watch them. Can I ask how you discovered these things? Who/how taught you, blah blah. I save these in my religious file and just subscribed. Thanks and TTFN
@TestifyApologetics
@TestifyApologetics 27 күн бұрын
This reference comes from Lydia McGrew's book Testimonies to the Truth which I referenced in earlier videos. Be sure to check it out!
@user-io9ie5cs8j
@user-io9ie5cs8j 27 күн бұрын
@@TestifyApologetics Thank you I appreciate it! Godspeed-
@charbelbejjani5541
@charbelbejjani5541 27 күн бұрын
Great video. It is indeed impressive how John casually mentions the disdain some Judeans held for Galilee without giving any context, only for Talmudic references to show the same thing.
@cyndiduke6626
@cyndiduke6626 26 күн бұрын
What about history from the OT? Like Kedesh in Galilee was a sanctuary city as well as Solomon giving 20 cities in Galilee to the King of Tyre??
@chrisquiett1776
@chrisquiett1776 13 күн бұрын
The babylon bee has a good video on after the death of Jesus "Okay.. so we steal the body and make it look like he raised from the dead!" "Do we get riches, or women?" "No! We all get horribly murdered!" "Where is the win?" "It's the joke, Tomas.." "That does not sound like a good joke!"
@AericLee23
@AericLee23 26 күн бұрын
I’m so glad I came across this channel ❤ However, as someone whose native language isn’t English, I would appreciate it if you can speak a little slower in your videos. Thanks.
@IamKingCraig
@IamKingCraig 27 күн бұрын
Why is your map so small at 1:39? Whats the place called next to galilee ga….
@hydra8845
@hydra8845 27 күн бұрын
That episode is hilarious. I don’t know why you’re saying it’s cringe. 😂
@cyndiduke6626
@cyndiduke6626 26 күн бұрын
What about history from the OT? Like Kedesh in Galilee was a sanctuary city as well as Solomon giving 20 cities in Galilee to the King of Tyre??
@kiwisaram9373
@kiwisaram9373 27 күн бұрын
Isaiah 9:1 Nevertheless, there will be no more gloom for those who were in distress. In the past he humbled the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, but in the future he will honor Galilee of the nations, by the Way of the Sea, beyond the Jordan-
@jonathanwilliams1065
@jonathanwilliams1065 22 күн бұрын
So only 2 people are brought before the judge and that implies they are breaking it rather than following it?
@gamerjj777
@gamerjj777 27 күн бұрын
So they thought Jesus was calling Eliyah.(Elohi Elohi lama sabachthani)
@MrSeedi76
@MrSeedi76 27 күн бұрын
Probably makes more sense when considering that Jesus prayed the whole psalm 22 as Pinchas Lapide explained in one of his books. He was of the opinion that it wasn't the first line they misunderstood but a later part of the psalm which can sound like "Eliah come".
@gamerjj777
@gamerjj777 26 күн бұрын
@@MrSeedi76 which is that part?
@sophrapsune
@sophrapsune 27 күн бұрын
Nathaniel absolutely did not query Jesus’ coming from Nazareth due to a prejudice against Galileans. Nathaniel himself was from Cana in Galilee (John 21:2) and he was talking to Philip, from Bethsaida in Galilee (John 1:44). A conversation between two Galileans cannot be explained by others’ prejudice against Galileans. Nathaniel did not reference Galilee per se, just Nazareth, which was a small village of no significance. Philip has just told him that they’ve found the person of whom the entire law and the prophets - the whole Tanak - wrote, in other words the Son of God and King of Israel. Nathaniel’s point is how can anything good - indeed, the Good itself - come out of a small village of no account. It’s also somewhat ironically humorous in light of his recognition of Christ only a few lines later.
@TestifyApologetics
@TestifyApologetics 27 күн бұрын
Idk man. Imagine a southerner saying, "A hillbilly, the messiah? You've gotta be kidding." Even if they themselves are from Southern Arkansas. I think it still fits. The trope must've been there, after all, no is saying Nathanael is the Messiah.
@sophrapsune
@sophrapsune 27 күн бұрын
@@TestifyApologeticsYes, that’s the point. They’re NOT saying “What, a Southerner is the Messiah?!”
@danieldishon688
@danieldishon688 27 күн бұрын
It's so sad you have explain to athiest every video "this is an individual point among many that stands on its own and nobody is claiming it proves miracles on its own...." Like.... that should go without saying. It's common sense. But athiest have nothing else to fall back to when you start going into real critical historical analysis.
@user-io9ie5cs8j
@user-io9ie5cs8j 27 күн бұрын
Your point on miracles. I've seen and been part of after I was Baptized.
@rightlydivideWoT
@rightlydivideWoT 26 күн бұрын
Matthew 15:1-2, Matthew 9:14 and Mark 7:1-5 | These verses show that they did not care about the law or traditions.
@JTFtheTheoPhPoliticalHistorian
@JTFtheTheoPhPoliticalHistorian 26 күн бұрын
6:30 Agree 💯
@IsaiahINRI
@IsaiahINRI 26 күн бұрын
Gonna have to disagree with you on at least one point. That episode was awesome. Honestly one of my favorite episodes of the series.
@JosephArbucci
@JosephArbucci 25 күн бұрын
Hey man, I was wondering if you'd consider not representing the Jews with the big pointy nose dude at 3:27. I really like your videos and can attest that they're an excellent resource for those looking to deepen their faith. With that though, I'm worried that there will be people turned away from these videos unnecessarily if they find the pointy nose thing offensive. The reason I'm bringing this up specifically is that I'd really like to be sharing your videos with people that don't have a solid faith, but I live in a very politically correct area where most people, especially Jews looking to convert, wouldn't take kindly to this sort of representation.
@TestifyApologetics
@TestifyApologetics 25 күн бұрын
You got it. I didn't think much of it but I can see how it might be offensive.
@Air-wr4vv
@Air-wr4vv 27 күн бұрын
Haha bro(in Christ) office is my favorite TV series
@MarkEstratocaster
@MarkEstratocaster 27 күн бұрын
4:29 Let's Go Brandon!
@user-io9ie5cs8j
@user-io9ie5cs8j 27 күн бұрын
RAFL! I had to rewatch to spot that. Brandon needs to repent. He's quite old, and is going to be seeing The Lord very soon. Everyone passes away.
@RingoFirearms
@RingoFirearms 27 күн бұрын
"bro bro i promise im done with undesigned coincidences"
@TestifyApologetics
@TestifyApologetics 27 күн бұрын
These aren't undesigned coincidences really
@garybuck6535
@garybuck6535 26 күн бұрын
As a Galilean i think it's the Jerusalemites that sound funny 😤🥸
@Jim-Mc
@Jim-Mc 27 күн бұрын
I like this one. Would Jesus' accent be Galilaean or possibly Alexandrian since he likely learned to speak in Egypt?
@TestifyApologetics
@TestifyApologetics 27 күн бұрын
I don't think he lived in Egypt long enough to matter. He probably came back to Nazareth when he was still quite young.
@michaelnewsham1412
@michaelnewsham1412 27 күн бұрын
The scene is that the people who knew Jesus from birth knew he came from Nazareth, not Bethlehem.
@IamKingCraig
@IamKingCraig 27 күн бұрын
Galiliean
@Coden11
@Coden11 27 күн бұрын
I am going to point out the wierdness in making the rabbis look extra jewy whilst Jesus and Nicodemus look extra euro, ijs, theyre the same ppl and i get memes and all but fr it could be a lil problematic and its kinda jarring and weird. Ive been in one too many ethno/euro pride chats, full of seething racists in the real meaning of the word, to just go "meh". So there ya go. And thanks for the informative and entertaining vid notwithstanding.
@TestifyApologetics
@TestifyApologetics 27 күн бұрын
That wasn't intentional I'll try to be more sensitive going forward
@Air-wr4vv
@Air-wr4vv 27 күн бұрын
Ahahaha those emojis
@KingoftheJuice18
@KingoftheJuice18 27 күн бұрын
Speaking of prejudice, the main image you used for a rabbi, see 4:05, especially as compared with your Jesus image, borders on antisemitic. I mean, seriously?
@TestifyApologetics
@TestifyApologetics 27 күн бұрын
I didn't mean anything anti Semitic but I gotta say this is kinda rich just going by your screen name.
@KingoftheJuice18
@KingoftheJuice18 26 күн бұрын
@@TestifyApologetics I'm glad you didn't intend any offense, but I hope you can see why I pointed out that image. As for my screen name, aren't you defending the literal truth of texts like Matthew 27, John 8, Acts 7, I Thessalonians 2, Revelation 2, etc.? I respect the Christian faith, but you folks have a significant heritage of anti-Jewish teaching to face, including within the NT.
@TestifyApologetics
@TestifyApologetics 26 күн бұрын
I have a video on that. But I'm sorry for the ugly history of bigotry that has existed in my church. I wish peace upon the Jewish people.
@KingoftheJuice18
@KingoftheJuice18 26 күн бұрын
@@TestifyApologetics Thanks for replying and for the good wishes. I hope all those who worship the God of Abraham can see each other as colleagues in faith and as brothers and sisters under YHWH.
@ieattwiceaday4116
@ieattwiceaday4116 27 күн бұрын
Dude this isnt a tutorial for installing a kitchen sink
@SDsc0rch
@SDsc0rch 27 күн бұрын
heh! NPCs nice
@brycearell9262
@brycearell9262 27 күн бұрын
Love these but I have an observation that I've seen from apologists who deny Islam. A lot of times, muslims will point to aspects about the Quran that, while not proving it is the divine word of God, provide context that would point to its validity as SOMETHING. For example, the fact that it has been virtually unchanged from the original writing and the fact that there are many other works regarding Muhammad that are referenced in the Quran such as the Hadith but also just other biographies and historical works. From these, we know Muhammad was real. Much the same, these videos tell us that Jesus was real and these words were said. Here, though, we have the same problem that muslims have in their apologetics. I'm not questioning that Jesus or Muhammad weren't real, I'm questioning whether Muhammad really heard God, and whether Jesus really performed miracles and was resurrected. When you get to the real center of Christianity, the most important moment in history where Jesus physically and bodily rose from the dead, we see a glaring lack of those ancient historians who, in other parts of the Christian narrative, were able to reference Christianity and support it second-hand. The only historical account of the resurrection is in the New Testament. Can you or anyone else speak to this or maybe touch on it in a video? Namely how these context videos don't necessarily point to the validity of the resurrection, which is truly the center of the religion.
@TestifyApologetics
@TestifyApologetics 27 күн бұрын
No we don't. Islam makes no miracle claims, at least not in the Quran. Mohammad said he's just a warner. The most he gives for a miracle claim how eloquent the Quran is. That ain't much. Re watch what I said in the last 3 minutes
@stephengray1344
@stephengray1344 27 күн бұрын
I'll have a go at addressing this issue. I'll start with some of the things I think you have wrong about Islam. The Quran has not been virtually unchanged from the original writing. Whilst the 30 official Arabic versions of the Quran only differ in relatively minor textual variants, the Hadith explicitly claim that entire Surahs have been lost. The Quran does not reference the Hadith, which are simply a collection of standalone anecdotes about the life of Mohammed and the early generations of Muslims collected a couple of centuries after Mohammed.The Quran only mentions Mohammed by name a couple of times. And there are discrepancies between the setting in which these sayings of the Prophet supposedly happened and the reality of the places it has been traditionally said to have happened in. There is a huge difference between the dates of the early Islamic texts and the early Christian texts. We have plenty of Christian texts written within the lifetime of the eyewitnesses (the New Testament, 1 Clement, the Didache). For Mohammed there are (excluding the Quran) maybe three or four mentions within that timeframe - all of them very minor (a couple of minor references in brief Christian documents about the Arab invasion, and possibly the Constitution of Medina). Sources like the Hadith and the Sira are a couple of centuries later. Pretty much the same distance in time as the Gnostic gospels are for Jesus. This is why there are a number of mainstream historians who think that Mohammed might not have existed. Yes, the only historical accounts of the Resurrection are the ones in the New Testament. But if we have proven that the gospel writers were close to the facts, and that they are most likely drawing on eyewitnesses testimony, then we have no reason to doubt that their resurrection accounts are pretty much what the eyewitnesses were saying about the event. And then it's up to us to decide how to interpret that evidence. The fact that people who didn't believe in the resurrection (or who thought that it didn't demonstrate the Christians' claims about Jesus) didn't record these events doesn't make that argument in any way weaker. And even if we could prove that the Sira or Hadith are faithful accounts of the original claims of eyewitnesses (despite there being generations between the eyewitnesses dying and the accounts being written down), then Islam is making a different kind of central claim. It isn't claiming that there was this one event that proves their prophet was sent from God (the Quran explicitly claims that Mohammed didn't do any miracles). So even if we could demonstrate that the Quran and Hadith/Sira get the details of what Mohammed said and did correct, the question is whether his prophecies were divine, demonic, or human in origin. And given the huge number of blatant errors there, i think we can safely rule out the possibility of a divine origin.
@logicianbones
@logicianbones 24 күн бұрын
Re: Quran virtually unchanged -- see Hatun Tash and Jay Smith. That's not true. (Also less copies to begin with and less time so not impressive.) Re: knowing Mohammed was real, read Robert Spencer's book on that; evidently it can be seriously questioned, unlike Jesus. Next: The "lack of historians" argument has been long debunked. See JP Holding. Most of the ones on "Remsberg's list" would have had no reason to mention him and were opponents (but we do have solidly Tacitus, and some argue Josephus though I don't rely on that one), and see Glenn Miller on that Luke actually was a proper historian. We have a lot more than for many other events nobody seriously questions. This is also moving the goalposts, as we have enough regardless of that to prove Jesus physically and bodily rose from the dead. Making the goalpost only if Tacitus thought so, for example, wouldn't get a skeptic out of the facts that prove that he did. (And Tacitus does hint that it was widely believed.)
@Boundless_Border
@Boundless_Border 21 күн бұрын
Wait. So you're trying to say the authors representing a common prejudice means that they are more likely witness accounts. I didn't realize your case could get weaker. If I write about racism in the 1800s that makes me more likely to be a witness somehow? I'm honestly not sure what to say about how this is obviously problematic. I guess I'll ask that if this was in any other source, would displaying prejudice in the work make it seem to be more likely a witness?
@TestifyApologetics
@TestifyApologetics 21 күн бұрын
No that's not what I am saying. Skeptics say the accounts were written long after the events from far far away. This is one piece of evidence of a broader cumulative case, thus the playlist.
@Boundless_Border
@Boundless_Border 21 күн бұрын
@@TestifyApologetics I mean. Decades is pretty long in the sense of trying to establish the author as one of the witnesses. Similarly in terms of witnessing something another town or neighboring country is far away. But in the sense of reporting general history, like awareness of a longstanding prejudice of one population against another. You can convey something like that without being within decades or within the country of the event you want to depict.
@brock2k1
@brock2k1 27 күн бұрын
It's worse than Spiderman fallacy. Spiderman fallacy is, "He is right that Central Park is in NYC, therefore he must be right about Spiderman." What you're doing is, "Wow! He knew that Central Park is in NYC! How could he have known that?"
@TestifyApologetics
@TestifyApologetics 27 күн бұрын
@roboticbuthole5384
@roboticbuthole5384 27 күн бұрын
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