Can Craft Bourbon COMPETE With Buffalo Trace's Best? | George T Stagg vs 13th Colony Double Oaked

[@SirOttis]

The fact that Erin gets different tasting notes, and is confident enough to have her own opinion, shows how subjective the experience can be and how everyone needs to be comfortable having their own experience.

[@stuffandwhiskey]

You get us! 100% agree and we couldn’t have said it better ourselves. Cheers and thanks for the great comment!

[@Abby_Normal_1969]

I used to think the Tool song Vicarious was a scathing satire on the role entertainment plays in modernity. Now I know it was secretly about learning about rare whiskeys without sensory input.

[@LeatherDaddy97]

Imo theres a lot of bottles that compete with gts, including this one. The up and coming craft companies are one of the most fun parts of the hobby right now.

[@jeffscalfano3100]

"I'm hoping they're not expensive".... LOL!

[@stuffandwhiskey]

One can hope... but it won't get you very far with these two. LOL Cheers and thanks for watching!

[@jadval18]

It released this week here in GA. Got lucky to find one today. MSP jumped 25 bucks and most of the stores will sell this 200 and up.

[@scottharris9318]

Thanks for the comparison video. I got super lucky and snagged a 2023 release Thirteenth Colony Double Oaked Bourbon last night. I think it released a couple days ago. The George T. Stagg is tops on my bucket list but stores where we live want $800 or more for that bottle. Can’t bring myself to pay that much.

[@stuffandwhiskey]

Congrats on grabbing that 13DO!

[@whiskeyisajourney]

Incredible matchup! I can't wait for another release of 13th Colony.

[@WhiskeyBusinessFL]

Agreed that there are some great craft distilleries out there. Wish I could find a 13th Colony Double Oaked. They're doing great things over there! Nice head to head!

[@marcremington7375]

If the two I am working hard to get that 13th Colony Double Oak. I have two of their bourbon whiskey and absolutely loving them. I’d pass up the GTS for the 13th.

[@brianshay6836]

I think the 13th Colony Double Oaked is selling closer to $200. At least that is what I am seeing on online retailers like Sielbachs and Bourbon Outfitter when they got their allocation.

[@stuffandwhiskey]

Marked up pretty heavily on the online retailer websites unfortunately.

[@brianshay6836]

That is unfortunate. For $80 +tax and shipping, I’m probably a buyer. $200 is a tough pill to swallow. Hoping I can find a pour at a bar some day. Keep up the great content! My wife and I love your videos.

[@WhiskeyTornado]

I’ve done this blind and the answer is no! 😜 13th Colony is great but doesn’t hold a candle to GTS. There was just too much bitterness and artificial flavor on 13th colony for my palate but it’s still a great pour

[@_themanofsteele]

@WhiskeyTornado in the house! I completely agree, as I have both as well. Have done the head to head also, my GTS blew it away. Thirteenth Colony is still some great stuff though! I love that they are finally doing cask strength ryes and bourbons, also.

[@WhiskeyTornado]

@@_themanofsteele cheers!

[@LeatherDaddy97]

I loved the 13th colony double oaked but i was extremely disappointed by the 2022 gts. Im not sure id feel the same.

[@_themanofsteele]

@@LeatherDaddy97 I compared mine with my 2020 Stagg. I have had the 22 though and I loved it very much, I wish I had a bottle! Haha don’t we all

[@LeatherDaddy97]

@@_themanofsteele i definitely preferred the 2020 gts

[@dbealby]

OCDO batch 2 was $200 plus tax plus shipping ($228ish) this week on Seelbach. Sold out less than 60 secs.

[@stuffandwhiskey]

Less than 3 seconds. I was trying right at 3:00:00pm ET-even with Seelbachs markup-and struck out.

[@bigfeeesh1]

How would you compare GTS 2020 vs. GTS 2022 and GTS 2023? If you could get any of the three, which would you choose? Asking as my girlfriend said she would find me one for my birthday :) Thank you!

[@Robert.Sheard]

I've never had any BTACs. Which would you choose between GTS and WLW, if you could only have one?

[@stuffandwhiskey]

Josh here. Generally speaking, I’ve been more impressed with WLW on balance, but there are a few years where GTS has been special. 2022 was a powerful year for GTS but there’s a lot of 8-15 year barrel proof rye-based Kentucky bourbon out there. Finding high proof, well aged wheaters is much more difficult which makes WLW a bit more special.

[@Robert.Sheard]

@@stuffandwhiskey Makes sense, and I do like my wheaters.

[@IzzosPlace]

Whishtishtishure Sauce is my favorite! Thanks for the video.

[@p4lxrich]

Curious how you select the two head to head ? Completely random ?

[@stuffandwhiskey]

Yep. Interesting pairings are matched up, entered into our online key, and we reach into a box of pairings and draw at random.

[@MJ-km3qz]

That was such a fun review to watch! I never thought about drinking being a mood oriented thing before. But sometimes I want chicken, other times salmon or stake. I thought I found my one favorite (Old Forester 1910) but now I have to rethink things lol. Thank you for the great content 🥃 🥃 cheers ;)

[@stuffandwhiskey]

100% amazing well said! It's really why labeling one thing "better" than another is really difficult to do in whiskey. It's just like any food or beverage in that it can be incredibly mood-dependent as to what you might prefer on any given day.

[@SRVandDtrouble]

This is a how to video. How to snag the second release of 13th colonies double oak 😅

[@stuffandwhiskey]

I think that involves a heavy does of prayer and luck.

[@michaelackley1560]

Unfortunately 13th Colony does not sell Double Oak at distillery 😢. Also I was in GA last week did not see. Another unicorn or museum bottle?

[@stuffandwhiskey]

It’s shaping up to be that way with flippers snatching them up and trying to make a profit. Unfortunate for those of us who actually like to enjoy and share our whiskey.

[@gimmebbq]

Hello, I love your channel, keep the great content coming !! I have a question, Can you tell me what app you use to keep track of your blind tastings on your phone? I see that you reveal the price first and then what the whiskey is. Is there a specific app that will allow you to do that? Thanks!!

[@stuffandwhiskey]

Here ya go! docs.google.com/forms/d/1IwyItqthjNhrpulNSGS6VvmaCMleU4YDihQ8TEA-ghY/edit

[@gimmebbq]

So I just clicked on the link and got this response ....."The form EXAMPLE: BLIND SAMPLE POOL KEY is no longer accepting responses. Try contacting the owner of the form if you think this is a mistake." @@stuffandwhiskey

[@TheBourbonJerk]

This is awesome. I was lucky enough to order a 13th Colony earlier this week. Can't wait!

[@SRVandDtrouble]

You dont have a cheap skate heart distilleries and liquor stores have decided to cash in and be the secondary market themselves which I firmly believe will be the undoing of the Bourdon Boom.

[@brianclick7080]

Erin must love the Office. " That's what she said" Michael Scott

[@robertsmithUH60driver]

Would love to have both of these bottles.

[@stuffandwhiskey]

You and us both. Holding out hope for some luck but also not holding our breath.

[@WhiskeyBank]

What a matchup! I wish both were available, but would settle for just Stagg (jr) or 13th Colony Cask Strength! 😂 Being in California, I can't even find a regular 13th Colony bourbon or rye, so wish those would come to CA. Oh well, maybe next year. Thanks for the video!

[@stuffandwhiskey]

We can only hope they keep growing and expanding to more states!

[@jamesstreet1144]

I heard that Tennessee is getting an allocation of the 13th Colony Double Oaked this year. I’m hoping to happen upon one. Great video.

[@stuffandwhiskey]

Us too. Fingers crossed!

[@calebweintraub1]

Nice work

[@CraigRhinehart]

I can tell the difference by looking at the glasses

[@nickp5511]

Nice! Would love to try them!

[@miked7906]

I guess I'm in the minority. The 13th colony reminds me of Texas whiskey. Dark and deep, but young. I did not love it. It still sits on my shelf. I don't go back often. When I do go back, it's hard to drink for me. GTS on the other hand, pretty much any year, doesn't last past 2 weeks after opening. Not even close to me, and I have blinded with friends as well. We all agree, they are not comparable. 🤙🏼😎

[@stuffandwhiskey]

Interesting. Some people are sensitive to some of the oak characteristics that double oaking can impart. We will say it's one thing to single blind them and know what you're drinking but not what's in each glass vs. tasting these double blind and having no clue you're drinking either one.

[@MichaelS_MathanDearg]

I have my East Coast friends on a hunt for 13th Colony in GA for me

[@NorthWestBourbon]

I got an e-mail of a 13th colony release earlier this week. I opened it, added to cart, then like an idiot I looked to see if there was anything else I wanted to add to the order... By the time I pushed check out it said sold out. Where is that old man with the fishing pole telling me I need to be quicker next time...😫🤦‍♂️

[@brianshay6836]

I got that email too. I went to the site and it was sold out. I clicked the link within minutes of receiving it.

[@stuffandwhiskey]

I feel your pain. I added to cart exactly at release, entered a free shipping discount code, and got hit with the “out of stock” notification all within 3 seconds of release.

[@brianshay6836]

I think that flippers have gotten very smart with automated bots. It’s a pretty simple process to set something up that will check availability and automatically purchase a bottle. They can even spoof multiple logins/accounts to get around purchase limits. If you start to see these bottles hit secondary sites, you’ll know how they got them.

[@terrencemcdermott5840]

So what you’re saying is the GTS is the extrovert and the 13th Colony is the Introvert. 😆

[@stuffandwhiskey]

That’s a GREAT analogy!

[@nsuster]

You aren’t going to find the 13th Colony for any lower than $200 unless you are local. Secondary on the 13th DO is 500+ which is insane.

[@stuffandwhiskey]

The secondary vultures are definitely out of control on this new release.

[@nsuster]

It's wild! I did a double take since I couldn't believe someone was willing to pay 500 for it. @@stuffandwhiskey

[@melaninatedking2982]

I’ve found is for 130 & I’m not a local, but I do live in a state where they distribute to

[@nsuster]

@@melaninatedking2982 Great find! I wish they distributed to my state 😢

[@melaninatedking2982]

@@nsuster yeah it’s like only 4 states right now

[@adammertens5617]

What a great video!!

[@riseandgrind1911]

Great video.

[@David-SouthGA]

13th Clony DO is $219-$229 in Valdosta, GA at Liquor Barn. I nearly cried as I passed on the opportunity to buy a bottle. I fought the FOMO and won!

[@kamahhl]

I'm sorry , a what sauce?😂

[@stuffandwhiskey]

😂😂

[@kirklandeche937]

I have every reason to believe what you're tasting but, I would be more inclined to believe you if I were able to taste along with you! Great show! Cheers!

[@Bourbonsouth47]

J Henry limited releases destroy GTS & it's not even close & I'm sure 13th colony is very close to that

[@bullseye0112]

When did common Sense become cheap😂😂. 80 bucks is a lot for a bottle. So many good bourbons out there.

[@chipgar63]

Whatsthishere sauce👍

[@stuffandwhiskey]

😂😂

[@lionelg4648]

13th colony was $200 on seelbach 😢

[@stuffandwhiskey]

Marked up pretty heavily and still sold out instantly.

[@mattburns6496]

Wis tuh shuh shire

[@stuffandwhiskey]

😂😂

[@WhiskyForBeginners]

Right off the bat I wish someone would define the term "craft" whisky. Does it just mean a new, small distiller? Or is it something else? Everybody uses the term but no one ever defines i, and frankly as far as I can tell it has about as much real meaning as "small batch."

[@stuffandwhiskey]

Craft as an overall term would be non-legacy, smaller operations. Bardstown Bourbon Company is new but not craft because they’re massive whereas a place like Thirteenth Colony could be considered craft as they’re relatively small and new (even though they’re over a decade old… that’s still young in the whiskey world for a distillery).

[@squirreljam2240]

Why wouldn't you blind taste just double oaks to each other and cask strength to each other? Keep them separate in their own categories.

[@stuffandwhiskey]

We're not really proponents of trying to keep things exactly the same in double blind tastings, because when you have no clue what's in either glass, it can really reveal personal preferences. These are both cask strength, both similar in proof (proof is the one thing we do try to keep very close in blinds as a higher proof can often wash out a lower proof), both have received a lot of praise, and we wanted to see how they came across when we didn't know we were drinking either one (as well as which we preferred). Great question!

[@993C2S]

I think to be realistic you cannot state a retail price on a bottle that is selling for 10-15 times the suggested retail price. That simply makes no sense. Your price list MUST state the going online price. It’s absolutely irrelevant what the suggested retail price is. Take Pappy 23 for example. If you review it and say retail $299, that would be laughable at best. Because it is over $4000.

[@stuffandwhiskey]

We certainly discuss the inflated pricing in every video, but that’s a constantly moving target, and the idea of evaluating the whiskey blind at suggested retail is more telling as there are many times where bottles don’t measure up even at suggested retail (much less the inflated pricing that’s out there), which speaks volumes. Pappy 23 is a great example as it’s been on the channel multiple times. Of course it’s a thumbs down at $5,000, but it’s even fallen short at suggested retail of $300, which makes the crazy prices even more ridiculous.

[@peterpete5848]

I can't get neither of them. Therefore, irrelevant.

[@stuffandwhiskey]

We hear ya. The likelihood of us finding either one is incredibly slim too.

[@TheReal_DeanD]

Man this is a major blue balls episode. I can't get either of these at a bar at a decent price or a bottles of them at retail.

[@stuffandwhiskey]

We hear ya!

[@aupconstruction9956]

The reviews are just way too long. Please do a 4 minute review

[@stuffandwhiskey]

Appreciate the feedback but that’s not our style. We like hanging out, chatting, taking our time, and having fun together. No intentions of changing our format and no plans to do short form content.