Can FRAUD ever be justified?

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00:00 Intro
00:57 Scamming the white people is justifiable
09:52 Scamming is beneficial to the economy
17:27 I believe scamming is a talent
24:05 Some people deserve to be scammed because of greed
35:37 Nobody holy pass
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[@kaybryan7530]

I am grateful for this conversation. I've learned a lot, especially living in the US with all the ignorant views on slavery and anti-white views.

[@ryanziller220]

I wonder if anyone could answer whether or not stupidity and gullibility are interchangeable terms. Personally, I know that these are not the same concepts. The actual problem is that most people are prone to behaving in an uncivilized way as they go about solving human problems.

[@caramelgumdrop393]

“Anti-white views” what else did you expect? a country that has history of enslaving and disenfranchising non white people do you expect people to have pro-white sentiment? Mumu

[@Trichmedia]

​@@ryanziller220When you look deeper, no one is actually civilized. We live in a developed society but we are mentally not civilized as human. If humans were actually civilized, there won't be war and there won't be politics and religions whereby people create hate between each other's. I am sorry to say, the word civilization is opposite to human behaviour.

[@ryanziller220]

@@Trichmedia I took sometime to see it for something more complex, but I never had anyone to share the discourse with in regards to the topic; so, thank you for taking up the challenge with me. You and I would need to hold a conversation with Lucifer, Satan, and the Devilz, but before you call me a crazy, are you straight? BELOW THE LINE IS A DEBATE ----------------------------------------------------------- First off you know a some thing about me. I'm a supporter of homomisia. I'm in a disagreement with your one-sided views. You and I might agree that we all aspire for a more humane way of being here, in much the same way that a man can only live through his legacy. Once we as the mammalians of our humanity learn to strive for those things which bring us the unification of health and wealth, with it being based on the production or manufacture of at least some common good we will stop searching for ways to be more than human.

[@ryanziller220]

​​​@@Trichmedia Civilization is a humane process. Barbarization is an inhumane process. Political discussions and religious institutions are not promoting difficulty as a solution for civilizing anyone. If you can think of a time whereby overcoming an obstacle civilized you then perhaps you might have learned from some kind of philosophy. We have primitively warred over petty things yet it is those who worship their inhumanity who have damned us.

[@onokorame]

Saying scamming is justifiable because of slavery has to be one of the most insane takes I've ever heard in my life . 😭

[@DavidSamuel-gz7cf]

Very true!!! Very very true. Like, the first guy saying "we've" been through a lot. Who you bro? Talking as though you're the first generation of blacks and Africans recovering from slavery. Also, what happened to "two wrongs can never make a right"?

[@preciousakuetiemhe4155]

It really makes no sense, especially because our own people were the ones who sold us out. So should we start looking for their generation to scam them too

[@Claudebar]

Like.

[@Phriffo]

Very true, make them go find work.

[@joeadeleke]

Insane, lamest and laziest excuse for scamming... with is logic, he should also scam Nigerians for selling slaves or the Black Americans should scam Africans as payback too. Too lame

[@joeadeleke]

Nigerian Scammers also have very high tendency to scam their fellow Nigerians.... this is not validating scamming foreigners

[@zekoondabeatbolo9129]

Fools, i just watched a video where one rich oyinbo wan enslave us again. Even tho they keeping Africa poor and tinubu entered because of them.

[@solomon_omokaro]

Thank you, sir!

[@TalkingFootballWeekly]

Saying that you are scamming because of slavery is crazy

[@ryanziller220]

There is a cultural significance and linkage between the bribes accepted by designated slave traders with it being fraud. In warfare, the first offense is highly deceptive in regards to its aims. The demand for enslavement of any person is an attack.

[@samueljoba6342]

I can NOT believe SCAMMERS believe they are Justified. HOW!!!!!????

[@jointhecruise]

We are equally as shocked as you are 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️. But sadly this is the belief people carry on the streets…

[@israelfaleye300]

​@@jointhecruiseI thought you're meant to remain neutral 😂 I mean... it's crazy out there - people and weird belief systems but again "nobody holy pass".

[@KingofgraceSARA]

Because they are scammers. You have to scam yourself first in order to scam any other. Scamming is the belief that scamming is the best ticket to financial gain. Scamming is acted on those with character defect, nothing more. Now that I think on it, the present day scammers were probably the lineage of those who sold their own likeness into slavery.

[@iamalonetega]

You're supposed to be neutral na😂 ​@@jointhecruise

[@tyronelorenzovalentio3414]

@@jointhecruiseplease talk about Paternity Fraud in Nigeria at an alarming rate

[@buny8482]

They don’t sound like”Ex fraudsters” to me😂.

[@galourvidz3607]

Frfr😂

[@davidbienose5250]

The Ex is silent 🤣

[@Alphanetwork909]

Ekelebe 😂

[@OlaniyiJesuloluwa-tn8dn]

They sound active😂

[@nifemiisrael3159]

Fighting and scamming for the fore fathers you don't know, that's too low for an excuse.

[@taiwotolani9337]

For reals 😂😂 just makes me laugh when u hear people say i am collecting my forefathers money Which fucking money 😂😂

[@olamidesotuminu903]

I like the way the girl in white thinks very structured and very convincing.

[@berenic90]

How did they even find ppl who are willing to go and say they are scammers 😂😂😂😂

[@Enkaybe]

They obviously pay them cause nobody is doing this for free😂

[@Wild_classic]

They don’t sound like scammers to me though . Scammer won’t come out here justifying what they do .

[@matthewtegeri8080]

They all know its wrong, they just try hard to justify it with lame excuses. Scamming is stealing and nothing justifies it.

[@lightmovic776]

I had a horrible experience today. My boss was unable to send customers refunds because of bad network. These women proceeded to abuse, report, bully and harass me. All this because they were afraid of being scammed. The people supporting scammers do not suffer alone. The innocent also suffer.

[@gracedhorlah]

In my eyes, there’s no valid justification for fraud. It’s called fraud for a reason.

[@taiwotolani9337]

For reals Cuz i know how many people have been damaged financially cause of this fraud and yet most of this fraudsters will be praying to God asking why their life is stagnant

[@olamideojediran]

I enjoyed listening to Gabriel, Ire and Elliot. And for any scammer seeing this, i hope EFCC catches you

[@oluwaseunajibade7201]

I enjoyed this particular episode! No overtly emotional arguments. Just people speaking from experience and reality.

[@ayoyipoakindeko6856]

saying 'it is a fact' doesn't make it a fact!!!!!!!!

[@joeadeleke]

Ire Somuyiwa spoke well... sometimes it's not about greed, it's about lack of enlightenment and ignorance. Ire I dey feel you

[@BalogunOluwatosin-hv7xc]

Definitely. She spoke quite eloquently and was able to put out her points with reasonable backing

[@nessaness3480]

Yes but scammers don’t care about colour. They do it to anyone. The question should never have indicated colour or race

[@grandmstrr]

The guy calling slavery a conquest is an hypocrite. Slavery is bad, scamming is bad. If slavery is conquest because the victims were not smart enough, we can say the same about scamming no?

[@zekoondabeatbolo9129]

Thank You, We are enslaved in our own country aswellllllll. Honestly we are all fools focused on the wrong thing.

[@Enkaybe]

Exactly like both are bad things lol😂

[@HeyMe75]

Exactly

[@zalanahara270]

The funny thing about it is that scamming has short term gain but long term consequences. And everyone ends up paying for it, everyone.

[@taiwotolani9337]

Even innocent people Now you see a young hardworking guy and some people will still tag them as yahoo boys

[@suzyjatau1210]

This is my Best episode yet. This hits at the root of serious issues in Nigeria. i really enjoyed this panel. stop scamming people.

[@triton6771]

Thank you very much for using the term "Fraudsters" and not yahoo boys or something watered down. Perfect description of what they are . 👏

[@joeadeleke]

Nobody deserves to be scammed even scammers. Scammers deserve to be caught.

[@cindyubah4638]

Exactly scamming is stabbing the economy... like how is Nigeria one of the few countries that you cant send money to on Paypal... Plus many brands don't accept payments from Nigerian cards because of scams. We are meant to be the giants of Africa, a global economy but how will we solve our poverty epidemic when every time that we try to cure our poverty situation scamming comes like malaria and derails our recovery.

[@kingzfuds2581]

Scamming should NEVER be justified... All i see from the Ex-scammers are impatient and lack of empathy.

[@hakeemfrancis1099]

I'm not even 1 minute in and they're already using the "White people enslaved us" argument.

[@jointhecruise]

Apparently that’s scammer biggest defense as we heard… keep watching

[@originalceo]

@@jointhecruiseyou cannot understand the present without understanding past. Even though I don’t see their argument as strong it is nonetheless valid. Just like you cannot judge present day African Americans without understanding past history and injustices against them. Likewise most African countries are still puppet nations controlled by colonial powers and to the detriment of the common man. Even up till today. So let’s not act like the two are not interrelated. The innocent white people you think you’re defending are far from innocent. We scam. They enslave and steal. Both are sh**ty. Eric Prince called for recolonization of Africa just weeks ago. Fact is slavery and exploitation never ended they just changed format, so yeah their argument is very valid. And especially for your generation.

[@ifeifesi]

It's such a pathetic excuse that they target white people when it was certain tribes in Nigeria who sold not only their own tribes but other tribes to the whites. Benin, Yoruba, Hausas & Igbos are tribes who did this. Why not scam them ?

[@sanah6933]

Let them vent , ah ah

[@baarons93]

Cruise, you are some real bosses for being able to find these people to risk their reputations just to share their perspective. This was fascinating. No matter what our stance on right or wrong, to be able to hear from the people themselves is top tier journalism!

[@hey_ora]

´´We have been through a lot ‘’ speaking from experience 😭

[@AlekcisIwiye]

Can you talk about skin bleaching next. ? Please

[@jointhecruise]

Thank you! .... It's on our board as part of the videos to produce

[@DavidSamuel-gz7cf]

😂😂😂 what would skin bleacher say to defend themselves

[@Deibuog]

@@DavidSamuel-gz7cf Maybe they'll say it's because of slavery 🤭

[@yahushasdaughter9106]

😂😂😂😂​@@DavidSamuel-gz7cf

[@angelazsz]

Yes this would be a great topic

[@warriorwhite2]

getting money so fast in scamming ways will never last long and will add many pains in your life

[@user-qi4mb2gj2z]

This exactly the syndrome that I'm currently going through ...i I'm equally going through a lot ...but making money at the expense of another person's happiness is pure evil ...Get up and work hard ...life should not be easy ... I'm a Nigerian but i had rather work hard than steal

[@PepTalkTillYouDrop]

I don't give a sh-- about how the next person feels, I'm only scared of getting caught. Because with my kind of bad luck, it would only take a few tries before I get caught if I involve myself in such. That's the only reason why I'm not gonna do it. If not,..

[@tonicablue5532]

​@@PepTalkTillYouDropyou're equally evil and would do it if you're currently not doing it. "You don't care how they would feel"? After stealing people's hard earned money? How are you different from the scammers please?

[@mje_shots]

I love IRE so much! Y'all are sleeping on her fr Girl is giving her points with so much confidence and clarity👏🏼🙌🏽

[@ifeifesi]

They need to bring her back because she is 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@seyidaniel3423]

People always need a "valid" reason to do the wrong things. I have heard this same excuse from people I know personally and I always cringe because it's just so lame

[@enochchinweuba1753]

Free journalism rights, it's left for police to investigate if they want to

[@kingzfuds2581]

Scamming should NEVER be justified... All i see from the Ex-scammers are impatient and lack of empathy. Zero Humanity.

[@jointhecruise]

True… very obvious from their takes and it’s very surprising 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@mish6937]

the fact that they have to go through so much mental gymnastics to justify stealing from other people shows how much they have built up delusions to make themselves not feel guilty

[@Claudebar]

One time a girl told me that if she discover that her boyfriend is doing yahoo, she won't be bothered about that cause he's the one doing that and no her. Well, that was the most insane thing I heard when it comes to scamming, until I came across this video

[@KingofgraceSARA]

She's a fool because most likely that girl and her destiny is up for the taking. What a dummy!

[@OlaniyiJesuloluwa-tn8dn]

The fashion designer saying "he would have shot me because i'm a scammer" 😂😂😂 do you really need another reason

[@Christian80806]

Revenge is not justice. Fraud for slavery is not justice; it’s revenge. It will do you more harm than good.

[@inerit5175]

There is NO excuse to STEAL FROM OTHERS! We are too INTELLIGENT, we can take over the world if we harness our amazing intellect!!

[@zekoondabeatbolo9129]

We gotta take our country back from oyinbo tooo

[@DisaffectedNigerian]

Scamming hurts the economy through inflation. Everyone thinks you are a Yahoo boy and they intentionally inflate prices. How does that benefit the economy?

[@ifeifesi]

Nigeria as a nation has such a bad reputation abroad that we are a joke and it actually dissuades people from investing in the country. Our reputation is as bad as can be and we are nationally in denial about it.

[@B_addie]

It’s costing the country a lot of opportunities too, who wants to invest in a country known for fake “Nigerian princes” it drives down tourism and you can’t even blame them. Why visit a country you wouldn’t feel safe in?

[@B_addie]

12:33 the association with scamming has costed a lot of Nigerian businesses that do try to work hard millions of dollars because they now have to fight a new stereotype.

[@jewelchilaka4089]

This might actual be point ... 🎉

[@ifeifesi]

@@B_addie and what's sad is that it's businesses not government that will lift people & our nation from poverty 😔😔

[@kamikiinzo]

This is very insightful. Grateful that this aired!

[@info6529]

Y'all had a chance to sit with scammers and you argue with them...I would ask them how they made it😂

[@iamalonetega]

You just dey find update 😅

[@unrulyXoyigojah]

Bruhhhhhh😂😂

[@baarons93]

No lie! I was hoping that would come with the scamming as a talent question lol

[@adedokunpeter7102]

Really enjoyed watching this, not done yet, but it’s too good so far to not give the praise so quickly 😅

[@devinetaemidgett4647]

The last apartheid ended in 1994 in Africa I wouldn’t blame slavery but understand the disenfranchisement which cause crime.

[@berenic90]

Saying scamming is a grace is crazyyy😂😂😂😂

[@moking9907]

Scammers doesn’t use their common sense 😂

[@daniel.m.william]

Common sense does not use scammers

[@Spreadeagle1]

I am quiet. But I would quickly say, don't bring negative value to people's lives. Rather try to bring positive value to them.

[@dammi_dk]

Ire is so eloquent, intelligent and pretty

[@ryanziller220]

Noooooooooooo!!!! The facts are all the way F'ED UP...!!!

[@isaidwhatisaid4933]

Shatap she isn’t ! She just have a nice voice . Nice voice does f mean eloquence.. she doesn’t speak sense !! Blank argument is wat she does

[@dammi_dk]

@@ryanziller220 okay

[@dammi_dk]

@@isaidwhatisaid4933 It’s my opinion if you don’t like it shut the Fuckk up

[@ote1000]

That last question exposed everyone 😂

[@Migdk24]

Good work! We cannot fight the scammers with the advancement of technology they’re about to become even more creative

[@ryanziller220]

I doubt that they are prepared for cyberwarfare. The West is setting us up for depopulation.

[@ubuntu6929]

Great episode! Love hearing both sides to a story.

[@jointhecruise]

Thank you for watching 🙏🏾

[@aninoritseomatsone9585]

There is no valid point from the ex-scammers 📌

[@Whizdomtalks]

Can we see Gabriel in more shows, man knows facts, talks respectfully, he shutdown what could have been shouting contest.

[@amoregratidao3352]

Scammers only have anger. They don't want to hear the truth. They are in their ego trying to justifying themselves and everything else is a lie to them. They have no real arguments.

[@OlaSax-gz7qo]

Some people they term as greedy were just desperate, if someone has to pay medical bills for their child and they don't have even close to enough to them it's a worthwhile risk

[@KingofgraceSARA]

You can't get blood from a stone. The medical bills will have to wait! After you sell out and whatever repercussions fall upon you and your life, how can you take care of the child(ren) then? When you realize ritualists are liars and set you up for failure, then who will take care of the child(ren) or better yet when you refuse to sacrifice your own child, then what, There is nothing worth selling your soul. Smammers are the #1 to be scammed, one by themselves and #2 by the enemy of mankind.

[@mimiokoi]

Bruh these people are sick. There's no justification for scamming.

[@jeffersonhassan4558]

I have so many questions for the ex scammers

[@jointhecruise]

Please…. Ask them here 😭😭😭

[@KingofgraceSARA]

Being a scammer is still a form of prostitution! What needs to happen for the Nigerian economy to shift and become fruitful? When will the masses say enough is enough and start using force?

[@fowokemiadeniji1710]

Honestly, I agree.

[@jordanredwine1058]

In this economy I be wanting to scam sometimes just being honest lmao but I couldn’t last a day in jail so I’ll take freedom with a lil sprinkle of struggle any day

[@I.AM.R3N3]

Most Fraudsters are "sharp" but yet very unintelligent.

[@zekoondabeatbolo9129]

Indoctrinations, in america na drugs and gang be their own indoctrinations. We are alllllll fooool. The oyinbo wey scam u years ago wanted you to blame each other while they do their evil underground

[@zekoondabeatbolo9129]

We wanted change since 1900s and somehow never got it. All we do is look for fault among each other, what abt the people that make us fault each other? They own companiess in naija and make money off you while we hate on each other faulting each other. Comedian go share advert abt betting without knowing they're fucking up someone else's life with influence. The owner of the betting shop be oyinbo wey dey push agenda. You that they pushing it unto wouldnt understand, you go just see betting everywhere choose am one day.

[@Ubuntu2324]

A scammer was scammed as well...😂😂😂😂

[@dianemerissa4311]

This was really informative

[@fataisoliu8603]

How do you know? 😂😂 That’s a valid question 😂

[@Whizdomtalks]

There are elements of truma and ignorance on here, but very genuine conversation. Quality audience, good display of intelligence from the other side (the unmasked guys).

[@fisayoabiona3751]

Using slavery to justify robbing innocent people of their hard earned money is absurdity.

[@B_addie]

It’s honestly disrespectful. Slavery is a serious topic and using it to justify stuff like this just makes it impossible for outsiders to actually respect that history

[@melissaforson4180]

Slavery is just too much and they have to pay for reparations but scamming is a no no. We are still poor because they are looting and putting us in shackles just to take our resources which is just making us beg. The colonial chains and markings are still there.

[@user-pg2ux3xg8x]

What about the families that are well aware and are in support of such and are benefiting from scammers? Don't they deserve jail time, too?

[@Ubuntu2324]

Ahh abeg O scammers trying to explain how scamming contributes to the GDP growth 😂😂😂

[@Gia-mg5nx]

These scammers have the unmitigated gall

[@sanah6933]

As they should

[@paulodoi6941]

True scamming has really set Nigeria back and has affected the youth who can't get jobs in other countries

[@johngeoffrey9768]

This thing touch me well well.😢

[@ogbolimeclement3053]

Skill and Talent . Two words great difference 👌🏼

[@surfdiary1177]

Fine girl ire 🔥🔥🔥

[@ubuntu6929]

Almost everyone has reasons for doing what they do. And those reasons justify why they do them. Scammers come in many forms! There are man who scam we men by getting into relationships they don’t plan on honoring. There are women who scam men and ask ask ask for everything while not being a true benefit to their man. So many ways to cheat people. It’s not just online scams. If you see it that way you MIGHT give a little grace for more people.

[@risewithtilla]

So are you justifying this fraud and stealing or what??

[@michelletshane9128]

Understanding the reason behind an action does not make the action any less wrong. Justification is to show that something or warrant that something is right or reasonable so yes reasons for scamming may be UNDERSTANDABLE but they are not JUSTIFIABLE

[@nihinlolawaalao8264]

Just spoiling our reputation

[@sylvesterdivine9292]

Saying scamming is your reparations is wild especially since that if you are in Nigeria rn and not in Liberia or the US your fore fathers probably were part of the people selling slaves because slaves were usually sold from conquered kingdoms so you technically are not part

[@KingofgraceSARA]

That's a lie from the pit of hell! Some even returned to Nigeria. Whether seller or sold, it's one people, or naw? Sincerely, An Igbo & Yoruba blooded American😘

[@yuhfiknowtv]

THAT FEMALE IS LIKE CANDACE OWENS

[@noname-qr7me]

British colonization did a number on the minds of Nigerians….they’re even here defending the colonizers saying “it happened so long ago so forget about it”, asking if these ppl have enslaved ppl in their family, as if their entire country isn’t suffering as a direct result of colonization and slavery…. At the end of the day, direct relation or not, they’re feeling the residual effects Bringing up the fact that tribes sold their own….as if those ppl had a full understanding of the kind of system they were getting involved in. The kind of slavery existing between tribes was nothing CLOSE to the global chattel slavery system that was developing, the basis of slavery as well as the duration of being a slave was completely different so there was not a clear understanding of the kind of slavery they were selling their people into and it’s disingenuous to try and conflate the two. Jesus. Free your minds, decolonize that sht

[@YeNoYeezy]

That’s what I was saying. The anti-scammers are very ignorant in their responses about slavery. They’re so blind and disingenuous when it comes to the reasons why their country is in the state it’s in. White shirt cares too much about entities that don’t care about her or their citizens. Black shirt is a colonized “historian”.

[@AyandaMa-je6dq]

I agree with you, too quick to demonise our own and pardon our enemy.

[@HappyFeet7073]

Agreed, but does that make scamming right?

[@noname-qr7me]

@@HappyFeet7073 scamming yt ppl yes. Reparations.

[@hooddatruth]

Nice conversation

[@Iamgasio]

Gabriel is my favorite on the show!

[@msonation1310]

Scammers are like salesmen

[@baarons93]

Same mind and techniques. Just different morality.

[@ShinyJay]

Greedy folks get scammed 🤧 The girl that said ki olorun ma fi prison ke Hushpopi ehen 🤣🤣🤣

[@Farsii9304]

Ire raised the level of this conversation.

[@ilerilawal6026]

I feel a lot of us Nigerians are too judgemental but hear me out. I come from a comfortable family and scamming has never been a temptation but I am not a saint. I don't know how my life would have been if i found myself in a situation where i cant afford basic food/needs. Scamming is wrong but we all have our sins. From using JAMB special centres to bribing police... if you check well, theres a way that you are trying to beat the system. The essence of this channel is to at least hear both sides and how they think; and to know how to approach people who are struggling with the same vice so you can help them lovingly from a place of understanding.

[@I.AM.R3N3]

The fact is there's good and bad and there's no middle ground about that, if something is wrong don't try to defend it or make excuses that's just dumb. Finally whatever you decide to do with your life is not by business just be ready to accept the consequences thesame way you accept the benefits.

[@feyishara8428]

well said 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@nihinlolawaalao8264]

After all the scamming … how has Nigeria changed for the better????

[@ms.liszz.9206]

Those scammers have issues with themselves.

[@chinwenduugwuede5568]

My best episode!

[@atandadavid5554]

this was good. Plus, Gabriel carried this episode

[@cynialewis8020]

It’s actually quite foolish because the people that are mainly being scammed are also our own people .. interesting

[@Nckxx]

Please we need more of Gabriel in your shows.

[@YeNoYeezy]

Imagine “doing your research” and using supremacist and ignorant talking points to debate fraudsters about slavery. How ignorant do they think their ancestors who sold prisoners of war to European slavers, and knew what type of slavery they were selling their own into? The information is out there to prove that they had no idea and many started to rebel against euros. The information is out there to know that many were forced to sell their own to avoid worse happening to themselves. Not saying it’s justifiable, but I get why they harbor those feelings.

[@mimiokoi]

31:24 Greed is already having something, and still wanting more.

[@lamar1409]

When Elliot said "my parents where always there for me", it just connected the dots cause he sounded very privileged and shallow in his arguments Regardless, it was a mind opening debate... Scamming is just not justifiable in the general sense, period

[@roey1490]

BLACK PEOPLE DONT KNOW THEIR HISTORY AND ITS VERY PAINFUL! I wish I can come on this show just once

[@WhitesAreCringe]

You're Black. You don't know yours 🤡🤡

[@Justforcruise240]

I love this girl ❤

[@christopheraMenal]

This is just wrong this is not the way😢

[@t0mide]

Some say it is justifiable because of illiteracy

[@sapibenmabeat]

My G's gone through a lot 😂

[@chinenyennake4782]

That thing na headache oh. Sleepless night choke 😅

[@Mmesomachii]

Crazy crazy takes from the scammers