Can I make cat genetics work for warrior cats?

[@cultspina]

OH THIS IS SO SICK!!!! ive seen so many "making warrior cats genetically accurate" but ive never seen the reverse!! making genetics warrior cats accurate!!

[@th3ratk1ng]

warrior cats defines the laws of reality, I only explain them for the people

[@jewels936]

I've been thinking about this well. As for tortoiseshells, a lot of tories in the series (Like Spottedleaf, Redtail, and Sorreltail) don't have tortie parents, so you could just say the gene is recessive and have orange self be something else entirely.

[@siliconsulfide8]

Maybe tortoiseshell could be ranging from "one red hair" to "almost ginger except that ear tuft"? An interesting concept is the brindle in dogs, where it is possible for a dog to not pass down brindle at all. Also make it independent from white spotting, so you can easily have big red blotches with no white!

[@yumm13986]

not my ahh trying to sing the lyrics of KING instead of focusing on what your saying, i was like "LEFT SIDE RIGHT SIDE, NA EYO KIMASHITE, BAM PAM PAM UNE UZAIYO"

[@KK-hd1jw]

1. Your little rat guy is so cute, love your art, very jelly of your style and skill 2. Introducing yourself as King with KING playing in the background made my brain do a little flip 3. This whole thing is just so frickin cool, I’m really happy to see stuff like this, such an awesome thing I can’t even put into words. My brain is very happy. I’m writing this at 2am. I was supposed to wake up and do stuff. This is more important :D

[@th3ratk1ng]

I'm glad someone noticed the bg music !!!!!!!! Yay !!! Look at my pfp btw, look familiar?

[@KK-hd1jw]

@@th3ratk1ng hehehehe that’s so fun

[@hedgehogfamily6775]

Other people:*Makes worrier cats realistic* You:*unmakes reality*

[@moonmews4715]

Omg, I'd never thought of anyone doing this. This looks fun. But also, absolutely absolutely headache inducing. Image using this gene base to fix WC genetics. RIP Bramble's design (he would have to be a tortie unles some REALLY convoluted stuff was happening with golden flower.

[@BluejaySerenade]

I love you adding red and yellow to the orange gene because that's something I've thought about doing in my own fantasy genetics! And dilution being a scale makes a lot of sense for warriors because there's so many different shades of colors described that don't really fit into actual genetics! Anyway fantasy genetics are super cool and make cats interesting :3

[@pyritenightmare]

In terms of really stretching real genetics, there's actually a bunch of different pigmentation disorders in animals in general (including/especially noted in big cats) that could be applied. Albinism and its less-extreme cousin leucism don't do much since cats can already be white. Amelanism has the same problem, since we have black cats too. Piebaldism could explain the white splotches, it results from a mutation that "turns off" melanin production in patches of cells. Isabellinism, a form of leucism, could explain the "pale" coat colors. Erythrism is an unusual red pigmentation, and could explain both "dark ginger" and light strawberry pink colors. (Note: Erthyrism in mammals is probably pheomelainin, which is what regular ginger cats already have, but shh.) However, that isn't the end. While all mammals only produce melanin for pigmentation, if you allowed for the cats to produce other pigments you could get some crazy stuff. The two other common pigments that you find in non-mammal chromatophores are pteridines, which produce yellow colors, and carotenoids, which produce red/orange ones. These could explain the yellow coloration and further expand the ginger variety. These also mean that amelanism doesn't automatically mean albinism, so you can get patterns like "white with yellow stripes" and so forth.

[@dull_demon4717]

Amelanism?? isn't it just Melanism?

[@pyritenightmare]

@@dull_demon4717 Melanism is overproduction of melanin. Amelanism is underproduction of melanin.

[@oxfordcommaisthegreatest]

- Piebaldism and leucism are the same thing. "Piebald" is what you get when you have a partial leucistic coloration. Both result from melanoblasts failing to migrate during development. - Erythrism means like absolutely nothing genetics wise. It's a catch all term for any abnormal red coloration. Technically you could make the argument that ginger cats are erythristic haha it's a really really vague term - Amelanism is the same thing as albinism

[@TheDeerfox]

help i’m so obsessed with this it’s dragging me back to the fandom the amount of thought and care put into the concepts and art is so epic

[@SunKit13279]

as someone who spent a few years figuring out cat genetics as best as i could, this was fascinating and very baffling to watch. 10/10

[@tani7895]

So, way back in Power of Three. I mostly used human-like genetics, so if it appeared anywhere in the tree, it was then passed down to explain random fur colors that appeared such as Hollyleaf having black fur as something she gained from further up from Firestar/Tigerstar’s family trees. And boy, was little me happy that Leopardfoot was a black she-cat because surely, that meant Hollyleaf got her fur color from her great grandma and was a call-back to Nightkit, her great aunt. This was all prior to the reveal and I do know more about cat genetics now but it’s easier to just apply more human genetics. (Which is likely what’s occurring anyway as we wouldn’t have near as many “Son looks like dad,” copies without it.)

[@dapple-drawings]

Don’t worry about how cat eye colours work, literally nobody knows how they work outside of blue eyes. Not even scientists know how it works outside of blue eyes…

[@MilentheGr8]

I love this, im also trying to make genetics for fantasy characters thats flexible like this. I never thought i would see anyone else try to do something like this. This is awesome!

[@hollowolfpup9958]

This is genuinely such a fun concept, and the way you used these new rules to design Bloodfur is really fun! I can't wait to see more of what you do! :)

[@EnderlingYT]

amazing video, but one thing for the torties, males CAN be torties, they just have an XXY thing, and as long as they have a male chromosome in the you know where area, then they are a male and there for a male tortie, but your idea makes sense as the XXY males are really rare.

[@th3ratk1ng]

I am aware! There is another comment addressing this I've already responded to if you would like to see why I said that

[@hawktalon7890]

Chimeric tortoiseshell males also exist, and some of them breed as several colors.

[@sunlithollow]

this was so fun to watch, I LOVE how you just. poof! remade cat genetics! /pos I love that your Sol design results from chimerism, cat genetics have always enthralled me and I love to see other people playing around with them like I do!! (that's why I love the new character Moonpaw, even though the Erins didn't do enough research before making her parents first cousins)

[@hawktalon7890]

Unfortunately basically every cat in ThunderClan is related, and the ones that aren't related to each other aren't having kittens.

[@Luna.Lupa.]

This is so cool like fictious cat genetic this is so useful for ocs n stuff omg thanks Also the art is amazinggggg

[@justamoth..]

I'm gonna be real I barely understood any of that but it was a fun watch and also your art is great!

[@Sparxychu]

i absolutely love this?? omg why hasnt anyone else done this before. this is the type of worldbuilding i live for

[@o5-7firefox]

Oooo I love this! I’ve already made a good chunk of Firestar’s tree realistic, maybe I’ll use this on them next!

[@deerlyqueery]

Honestly this is exactly what I thought was going on in fantasy cat land, just different genetics. These cats are dying of old age with creaky bones at 10 years old and running around the day after being born, there's something wacky going on in their genetics and it's not just ThunderClan's inbreeding issue.

[@hawktalon7890]

Don't forget, they also open their eyes within like 2 days of being born lol

[@nightwolf789]

That’s a really great explanation and a lot of work. I envy your ability to figure something like this out. Keep going and get the recognition you deserve!

[@banichka1497]

OH MY GOSH, I LOVE THIS STUDY SO MUCH!! Thank you for this incredible video 😭😭💖💖💖will dive more into it so I can fix some of my cats!

[@erro_TwT]

THIS IS SO COOL!!! I’m studying to be a cat geneticist and this is definitely amazing. Also, what you said about eye colors, the science community doesn’t know much either from what I can tell, except a cat can’t have blue eyes if they don’t have any white on them.

[@hawktalon7890]

The various DBE [dominant blue eye] genes, or DBE gene cluster, proves this wrong actually. It does occasionally add very low-grade and barely noticeable white spotting, but also you can just get cats with blue eyes and no white.

[@ashdragonton3939]

oooo, very interesting!! and yeah dont worry i dont think anyone understands cat eye colors. ive been researching cat genetics for y e a r s and neither i nor anyone i know understand it beyond albino & colorpoint locus doing funky stuff & blue eyes USUALLY being linked to KIT locus shenanigans(but also possible without it)

[@chimerapaws2747]

I had the exact same idea as you but I’m way to lazy for this and I’m glad I found someone doing this idk it just makes me really happy

[@mesblu]

this is so cool what!!! 00: its creative and you’ve made it so professional?? all the diagrams are really fancy! if you do eventually make a part two, then i am extremely curious to know how the cream spotting and white spotting interact with each other when both genes are present in a cat. i’m also curious how the orange/red/yellow works and, in general, how this system would work in practice. i may just be confused, but im trying to figure out how you would get black, orange, or tortoiseshell cats if it doesn’t work like it normally does. aaanyways i subbed!! excited to see whatever else you make ^^

[@th3ratk1ng]

Oh that's so smart I didn't even think of that! I need to think about that ó_o

[@exhaustedpidgeon7019]

i love this very much and your style is gorgeous!!

[@hawktalon7890]

Looks good. Also - I too thought "dark cream" was like a pinkish yellow but apparently it's just brown according to a quick image search.

[@TobiasFangorIsntCis]

Very cool concept!!

[@Lvl0Levi]

I never got into worrior cats but this is awesome!! Definitely gonna use this for some drawings n OCs💙💙

[@chess-]

Wowee! This is great! I really hope this video gets noticed by more people :3

[@RossThePuppyCat]

YAYY I adore when people do genetically accurate warriors I’m so excited I watch all of them LMAO

[@neptune430]

Eye genetics is weird, but with blue eyes it’s quite easier. Crowfeather, Bluestar, Goosefeather, Silverstream, Feathertail, etc. cats without white spotting is impossible. They would at least need some white (or maybe high) spotting on them (Stormtail and Rooktail are also impossible because of this). But maybe just say that the blue eye color thing is possible for every cat regardless of white. Or give them blueish eyes

[@procyonpaw]

This is so cool!!

[@Kits_Art]

This is so cool! I love learning about genetics, and I also read Warrior Cats, so seeing this makes me happy :> Also your art is really good!

[@DoeDaae]

Oooo, this is such a fun video!!

[@siliconsulfide8]

have you seen the official sol character sheet on the website? he's described as dark brown-and-white with splashes of bright tortoiseshell (which sounds like chimerism) but looks more like a funky point w/white and red patches (plus the fact he has his bushy tail tip)

[@th3ratk1ng]

@@siliconsulfide8 yeah! I think officially he's a point, but I think it's more accurate to the books to make him a chimera :3

[@Xxgacha_grlxX]

I just wanna say this is so underrated and your art is just so great let alone for one of your fist vids, and you got a new sub.

[@Thebeanthemself]

Omg you’re so underrated😭😭😭 actual underrated person spotted!!!

[@dull_demon4717]

the funniest thing is Red and yellow are possible. Ginger is called 'Red' genetically, while 'yellow' is part of the Ginger spectrum on the brighter end. But I like what you did more then real genetics. besides- it's basically fantasy cats. Let em be whatever color ya want honestly. Is it alright to use this version genetics btw?

[@th3ratk1ng]

@@dull_demon4717 yes ofc!

[@dull_demon4717]

@@th3ratk1ng Amazing! i'll be sure to link back here and credit if i ever post anywhere! :D

[@sketchyscr1bbles]

You unintentionally turned Sol into the new arc character Moonpaw! 🤣

[@Millie-ec4wk]

HOLY CRAP im finding so many smaller (Ish) youtubers with amazing style, your so hecking underrated omg~~ you just got a new sub

[@Millie-ec4wk]

also this is so incredibly helpful, would it be possible for me to use these genetics for my warriors comic? (I probably wont end up posting it anywhere but adding genetics to my cats will be rlly satisfying) all good if no tho :)

[@th3ratk1ng]

@@Millie-ec4wk of course!

[@darkenedsynia_owo1094]

HDJEEUUEUSSHSBW- I’m eating all your designs right now omg- this is so smart. 💪💪

[@jellyowl2644]

9:17 i think the best way to handle this would be haveing colors not be x or y linked. But having it be both could work as well. Maybe, im no expert

[@mothsthatvibe]

This is such a cool idea omg

[@tired-theater-dog]

AAHHHH this is SO good like???!!? so underrated. such a good concept, too! i'm def coming back to your channel to see what else you have!!!

[@Pink_Honeybadger]

This is so cool! :3

[@koivibes8515]

I was wondering if you can make an update on the newest coat color that was discored in cats. It's Called Salty Licorice and looks super cool. anyway love your stuff.

[@Alex_lolz.01]

UR ART STYLE IS SO CUTE AND COOL WTH AHKJDJDJ

[@fuzya8636]

This is genius on every level, reality should be bound by warrior cats logic. Tho, with that said, does spiderleg still get doberman colors ?

[@th3ratk1ng]

I forgot him 💀 I'll do a followup video

[@hawktalon7890]

With a hypothetical black-and-tan gene, he would. No idea what what would look like if you wrote it out, though.

[@zolline]

This is so cool !

[@ginger_ale_enthusiast]

I love your art!! How are you so underrated? Like actually, when I first found your channel I thought you had like 25k+! ❤

[@tulip_tyler]

Unrelated to the video, but I've seen at least 4 different people with Rat king as a user name (including me for a short time!!)

[@belughlegosi]

This one is the true rat king, all the others please sit down

[@LollingCatto]

i love this!!!

[@th3ratk1ng]

Oh my god I've watched your genetically accurate warrior cats series and it's one of the things that inspired me to do this!!

[@LollingCatto]

@@th3ratk1ng im glad!!! this is such a fun concept and id love to see more of it!

[@Bee8467]

Cool video!

[@jellyowl2644]

Can you maybe pile all the charts into a doc? This is epic and i would like to refrence it more (specifically for warriors ocs)

[@th3ratk1ng]

maybe! we'll see if I get around to it lol

[@thecupidintraining]

I kept thinking you were going to explain how the genetics work in real life before the fiction and getting very confused lmao but jokes aside this is actually so so cool!!! does it fix leafpool or is just just unsalvageable (tortie leafpool supremacy)

[@th3ratk1ng]

@thecupidintraining I'm not sure! I'll have to do a warrior cats family tree video I guess :3

[@Waning_MoonWC]

Очень красивые рисунки =3

[@hollycat6654]

Ive wanted to do this for awhile now see if their is any logic or pattern to the "genes" warriors have . Basically treating them like a newly discovered species that happens to look like cats

[@lynnx4345]

Lol, you could say that these cats are a completely different speicies to ours. Thats my headcannon, that the warrior cats arent our species of cats, but another thing that can cry tears and use herbs and form complex societies.

[@Reaction-cats]

I had a female tortis shell when I was younger we got her cheep because the owner didn't whant the kittens and just whanted to get rid of them

[@alexkitty149]

Lilac = Heatherstar, maybe?

[@grey_ish.]

Hey, what's white and black and red all over? (Love your videos btw)

[@F0rrgott3n_Shelly]

Adderpaw is definitely pink. (According to Akira)

[@Catcake06]

This is amazing + gives so much more design freedom! Can i use this as a guideline for my ocs/story? ❤

[@th3ratk1ng]

Of course! It's free to use for anyone! I'll probably go put it in the description

[@Catcake06]

​@th3ratk1ng Thank you so much!! I'll be sure to credit you ofc whenever I post designs for the first time ^^

[@th3ratk1ng]

Yay!!

[@soaricarus]

oh this is super cool! have you posted your fur color charts anywhere? they'd be super fun to use for ocs and the like!

[@th3ratk1ng]

I have not! Maybe I will post them on my tumblr,,,,,I'll put the link in the description if I do!

[@soaricarus]

@@th3ratk1ng please do!!! they look super neat and they'd be amazing to use for reference and inspo!

[@soaricarus]

@@th3ratk1ng actually if you do post them - could you @ me there? would be appereciated, same username as here!

[@fluffymarshanimates6489]

Talk about your ocs pleaseeee!!! I love warrior cats oc videos!

[@th3ratk1ng]

I have a video on that already!

[@fluffymarshanimates6489]

OMG WAIT I DIDNT SEE IT YESSSSS

[@chandadobra760]

I just woke up and I'm drinking coffee... way too quickly! Just wanted to say a random thought that just hit me in the face and is totally off track from the video: Has anyone ever read a cat give another cat a nickname version of their name OTHER than Lionblaze to Jayfeather? Lionblaze called Jayfeather 'Jay' once (maybe even twice) and it threw me for a loop. It's been so long since I've physically read the books (read as a kid and switched to audio as an adult because I like to listen while I clean... adulting is great) so I can't remember if this was during their apprenticeships, around the time AFTER they were given their full names, or if it was a while later. Pretty sure it was early-ish on but they weren't kits and maybe not apprentices by that point. Has there ever been another time where this happened in the whole series?? I know this is random but here we are. XD

[@multifandomnerd37]

Yes I know it happened once before, I'm not remembering very well, but in some super edition there was a cat called Sweetpaw who was called "Sweet" by her brother (I think it was her brother).

[@Saturn.starzz_]

That’s really cool! :0 can I use this for my ocs too?

[@th3ratk1ng]

Of course!

[@Ary-js1cf]

I wanna figure out how did you get that app To like do that animation stuff Cause I need it , very smart!

[@S0VRBUGZ]

I ALWAYS THOUGHT ONESTAR WAS WHITE LOL 😭😭😭

[@Z0mb13-34ts-BrAInzZz]

I need videos of your ocs I like your videos so much already

[@th3ratk1ng]

I have a video talking about my ocs!

[@Z0mb13-34ts-BrAInzZz]

@@th3ratk1ng I just watched it I am like a little scavenger who is crawling around devouring any content you put out, thank you (I hope this comes off as a normal thing to say and not weird and creepy I mean it in a genuine way I promise)

[@th3ratk1ng]

I'll be making a clangen video soon!

[@joltfoxplayz]

Im subbing

[@jaydengill3696]

Maybe hmm the issue in the firestar bloodline

[@jaydengill3696]

Or maybe try and fix the incest with new characters?

[@th3ratk1ng]

@jaydengill3696 I don't think there's any possible way to do that 💀 Also what issue in the firestar bloodline do you mean exactly?

[@chip_pawzz]

⁠@@jaydengill3696LIKE MOONPAW'S PARENTS ARE FIRST COUSINS! LIKE THEIR PARENTS ARE SIBLING

[@jaydengill3696]

@@chip_pawzz yea there’s a lot of incest that if you add like ocs in like a semi new story could be fixed or characters that never had kits you could give kits to idk it would be easier if they weren’t so closely related is all

[@th3ratk1ng]

Ohhhhh makes sense, but that seems kinda more difficult then I usually shoot for, but I'll keep it in mind!

[@RoyTheOtterYeen]

can I use this for my characters? and is there a way I can see all the graphs? :p

[@th3ratk1ng]

@_.dreamer_artz._ yeah you can use it! I don't have a way to show all the charts yet though unfortunately

[@RoyTheOtterYeen]

@@th3ratk1ng thank you! Do you mind if I screenshot them? So I can look back at them for reference?

[@th3ratk1ng]

@@RoyTheOtterYeen sure!

[@catjammm]

ur voice is so nice what

[@Equines_and_Animals]

You should add cats with vitiligo! It would make such a good oc

[@Equines_and_Animals]

You might want to look into the amber gene or that gene that makes a black/grey cat turn orange/cream

[@th3ratk1ng]

I have done a cat with vitiligo as an oc! Her name is nightberry and she's in my oc video!

[@Equines_and_Animals]

@@th3ratk1ng Ooh I’ll check it out!

[@Carrotnoodles]

Ur lil rat oc is adorable, im drawing them >:3

[@th3ratk1ng]

fr???? 00

[@Carrotnoodles]

@@th3ratk1ng ye

[@Carrotnoodles]

I’ll post it on my alt acc later ( bluewormslushie)

[@th3ratk1ng]

yayayay!!!! tag me!!

[@Ciniriss]

Is it ok if I use these as references to make my own version of genetics for a cat world?

[@th3ratk1ng]

Sure!

[@Ciniriss]

@@th3ratk1ng thank you!

[@redaintredwithoutred]

I wanna hear about your ocs. Right now. Gimme the lore, the info, NAOW.

[@th3ratk1ng]

I have a video on thatttt!

[@leafbreeze9038]

I really liked this video. I hope you make more on your system, maybe family trees with your system? See if you can prove that your system works? :3 It looks so silly and fun. Also I don't think anyone understands how eye color works for cats SOB-

[@th3ratk1ng]

I am planning to do a family trees video yes!! I just need to make myself start working on a video lmao- I've got an animation meme I'm almost finished with though!

[@leafbreeze9038]

@@th3ratk1ng bet

[@kali_on_pawz]

You took my name I am the sole rat king!!

[@wilh3rdwheel356]

honestly don"t worry about eye colours, no one understands how that works