Can I Tell Everyone God Loves Them?

The gospel stands freely available to all who will receive it. God’s love is not small. Not discriminate. Not for a few. He loved the whole world.
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[@pastorlandon]

AMEN. This is the greatest news the earth has ever known.

[@gregjay9933]

Pastor Landon, this is indeed the greatest news the earth has ever known, if you are one of the elect. But what if you are one of the non-elect??

[@godsgift1319]

Still great news either way you look at it.

[@gregjay9933]

@@godsgift1319 Somehow I don't think you would be saying this if you were one of the non-elect.

[@godsgift1319]

Doesn't matter the fact that grace was available is amazing in it of itself.

[@tess1544]

Ok my compadres you gotta get real and know who’s talking to you. Dude believes in God so Loved ONLY the elect. I was told by a Calvinist that “they don’t believe that Jesus spoke these words. It was just John misinterpreting Jesus”. Please keep your eyes open. They sound right but they don’t mean what you think they mean. They double speak and are deceitful. They believe Christ did not die for the world He only died for the elect the rest were already condemned to hell from before time.

[@ivarahitofa3001]

By the power of the Risen Christ. What God did for man was the greatest act of Love. “God so Loved The World...whoever Believes..." shall be saved.

[@sethgibson2760]

It’s much more than believing, Satan knows who God is. Not all those who cry out lord lord will enter the kingdom of heaven but those who do HIS will.

[@Ibochic1]

Seth Gibson I agree. Believing is the first step though! If we BELIEVE His love, we would not sin. Unbelief is what causes us to sin! What caused Adam and Eve to sin! If they BELIEVED God’s Word, they could’ve challenged Satan. The enemy’s first attack was to God’s Word. To cause disbelief in God’s Word and promise, which then goes ahead to lure them to sin!

[@hilarioushen4164]

John 3-16 the most misunderstood & misquoted verse in the Bible. All we ever hear is GOD loves everybody & Christ Jesus died for everybody. Nothing could be further from the truth. Man cannot chose God by his own free will, natural man hates God & his neighbor. For the simple reason being as the Bible plainly teaches that the heart of man is deceitful above all things and desperately wicket Jeremiah 17v 9 KJV. Mans will is in bondage to sin and to Satan. When Adam the federal head of all humanity disobeyed Gods direct command not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good & evil he turned his back on God his creator and followed after the lie of Satan & all his prosperity continues to this day doing the very same thing. Therefore it’s God who does the choosing who will be saved not man. John 15 v 16 KJV. Plus John 17 v 9 -19 where Jesus said “ I pray for them: I pray NOT FOR the World, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them ( ie ) the elect. Now if God loved everybody in the world, but Jesus doesn’t pray for everybody in the world is Jesus contradicting his father ? Somehow I don’t think so.

[@donaldcoleman514]

according to the bible what world is scripture talking about let's see hebrews 1/2 has in these last days spoken to us by his son whom he has appointed heir of all things through whom also he made the world's so according to the bible there's more than one world let's see what world Isaiah 45/17 but Israel shall be saved in an everlasting salvation of the most high ye shall not be ashamed or disgraced world without ends that's according to the bible romans 11/26 as it is written all Israel shall be saved so how do you get everyone out of that acts 2/21/22 and it shall come to pass that whoever call on the name of the most high shall be saved men of Israel hear these words where in scripture does it say men of all nation it says men of Israel that's the whoever

[@h.jordenlal8548]

I love that God loves me

[@eagyinjection]

Tell the starving , hungry , homeless , jobless, sick, abused people ,that god loves them

[@markusw.2690]

Rich, wealthy, pretty, intelligent people need this message as much as the ones, you mentioned. The Gospel is for ALL human beings.

[@Mojo32]

​@@markusw.2690 Amen!

[@robertyoder5477]

I appreciate Piper's willingness to take Scripture at face value and not read into the text things aren't there. This makes him a lot more nuanced than someone who interprets scripture with a pre-conceived filter of a framework that they have to fit the Bible into.

[@hondotheology]

The Lord keeps all who love him, but the wicked he will destroy. Psalm 145.20. Indiscriminate love is for adulterers and God loves only his Bride.

[@trooperman1080]

Well said

[@orynestewart4910]

Praise the Lord for this message!

[@michelledaffin]

Amen! Jesus is the hope of the world 🌎 ❤

[@Youtuubpewp]

What I mean to say is salvation is by His grace ALONE but works are a marker of the maturing Christian. He also repents of his sins by God’s power working mightily in him.

[@yurhomi4478]

‘Come unto me and I will give you rest’ - yes he loves but you only truly feel his love when you sincerely reach out to Him.

[@mandyp2320]

Whatever. Even people who’ve wholeheartedly given themselves to GOD will be told “depart from me, I never KNEW you!”. Then it’s off to be tortured will trillions of people for ETERNITY.😊

[@saved6655]

@@mandyp2320 that’s a lie from hell itself.

[@mandyp2320]

@@saved6655 So Jesus is lying here? Matthew 7:21-23 King James Version 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

[@saved6655]

@@mandyp2320 your statement is “even people who whole heartedly given themselves to God”. Tell me in Mathew 7:21 where it is apparent or better words in context where these people whole heartedly gave there selves to God. That’s no where in context you are reading that into scripture. These people say Lord Lord and never knew God. That’s the point there was no relationship with God. Hence God saying I never knew you.

[@saved6655]

@@mandyp2320 Jesus says but he that doesn’t my will. Jesus says in John 14 if you love Me then you will obey my commandments. These that hear depart from me I never knew you never loved Jesus. Hence they never cared to do His Will, they never loved Him. How could they have wholeheartedly gave them selves to God if they never loved Him.

[@richgonzales8468]

GOD IS LOVE.

[@jeffreyhooper4307]

I love Jesus God is good Amen and Amen

[@davidcastro253]

The word "so" in the phrase "for God so loved the world" is the Greek word houtō(s) which literally translates to "in this manner, thus". Therefore the phrase "for God so loved the world" can and in my opinion should be translated as "for God in this manner loved the world" so this phrase is describing how God loved the world, not how much he loved the world. So how did God love the world? "That he gave His only begotten son that whoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life", by giving His Son to die and save all those who believe in him, this is how God loved the world.

[@gregjay9933]

Theophilus Godlover your explanation of 'so' is interesting but this does not alter the heart of the debate, ie, does the word 'world' mean all sinners are loved and can believe, or does the 'world' mean those who do believe and therefore are the loved, ie, the elect?

[@davidcastro253]

@@gregjay9933 Actually there is another Greek word here that is also missinterpreted because of the English rendering, it is the word "whosoever" in the phrase "whosoever believes should not perish", many who read this text take this phrase to mean that anyone has the ability to believe, but that is not what the text says because the English word "whosoever" is not in the Greek text, it is the Greek word pas which is literally translated "All". So the text should read "...He gave his only begotten Son that all the believing ones should not perish..." So this text is not speaking about ability at all. For that we look to the words of Christ in John 6:44. What John 3:16 is simply saying, is that God gave his Son so that all those who believe in him should be saved. By closely examining this text, it reveals to us the intention of the Father in giving his Son to humanity (the world) to save a particular people. God never intended to save all humanity, if so it wouldn't be difficult for him to do, but only to save a particular people. The word "world" has many meanings in the writings of John but in this text I think it means humanity, all without distinction. But only "all the believing ones will not perish".

[@gregjay9933]

@@davidcastro253 you seem to be playing with words here. I agree with your statement, “all those who believe in him should be saved.” After all, those who do not believe are certainly not going to be saved. The question is, can all sinners believe so as to be saved? Calvinism says no, only the elect can be saved. This is why we have a debate! If John 3:16 can be interpreted to say that not all sinners can be saved then we have a contradiction with other passages of Scripture. So much of the Bible clearly teaches that God loves all sinners, that Jesus died for all the sins of the world and that God desires for all to come to repentance. Why would the Father give his Son to humanity (the world) only to save a particular people? Considering that God is infinite in love, rich in mercy and grace, kind in all His deeds, why would He choose to save so few of His fallen creation? In the case of the Japanese, this would be 1%. Remember what the angel said to the shepherds - I bring you GOOD NEWS of great joy which will be for ALL THE PEOPLE. This is certainly not good news for the non-elect. And notice the good news is for ALL THE PEOPLE. This is why the Lord does not wish for any to perish but FOR ALL to come to repentance. Your claim that God never intended to save all humanity is easily refuted.

[@lew1689]

@@gregjay9933 I think it's in the word " world " or "kosmos" in the Greek which helps me to understand. I think, ( if I can remember) that kosmos can be brought to mean the world as in a whole or a select few...say a people group or nation. For me I think it is rendered best as people group considering it's context.

[@gregjay9933]

@@lew1689 I note your choice of words “think”, “can be brought to mean”, when referring to the world. 20 years ago if someone told me that in the future I would be debating fellow Christians about who God loves, I would have said you must be crazy. At that time I would have said, “Why would anyone doubt that God loves the whole world - God is LOVE?” Today, due mainly to the teaching of popular Calvinists such as J Piper, J MacArthur, RC Sproul, DA Carson and many others, the nature of God’s love has changed, and the object of God’s love has also changed. With large sections of the Christian community now supporting such views, we older Christians are sitting down wondering how this has happened. Is the Holy Spirit now touching the hearts of Christians and leading them to believe that God does not really love all of His fallen creation, or, has the God of this world infiltrated the church in such a way that he is influencing the minds of Christians to believe that words such as “world”, “all people” “whosoever”, etc, don’t really mean what they say. Can’t you see that If God wanted to say that He only loves the elect, or that He desires only for the elect to be saved, then that is what He would have clearly said?

[@JapaneseLanguageMentor]

Thanks John

[@Rocku01]

I was not expecting that from him. Amen John piper god bless you

[@jonathans.219]

How great is God. Amen

[@JohnJohn-sw7nh]

According to Calvinist like Piper, God only loves only a small fraction of people. Calvinist Christianity is a exclusive country club where love and salvation is available to the tiny small elect

[@markusw.2690]

​@JohnJohn-sw7nh Well, and this is absolutely BIBLICAL (Calvinism is nothing else than a nickname for the true Gospel). Jesus speaks: "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are FEW who find it.” (Matthew 7:13-14,

[@Ibochic1]

Thank You for loving me first, Lord! I receive Your love!! 🙏🏽

[@markusw.2690]

🙏

[@sierraclark6129]

Jesus is Lord!

[@franciscomireles8357]

Many people are overjoyed when they hear a preacher telling them that even though they are sinners God loves them, and he uses the scripture John 3:16 , but does this scripture really says that God loves sinners,read this scriptures and then you decide, Geniuses 6:5-13, Lamentations 2:-1-22, and Lamentations 3:22 ,God bless you all who really want to know the truth.

[@KOTEC525]

Piper's preaching is spot on, but remember, God's love compels repentance and dying to self. You can only get to the Father through Jesus by way of the cross. Thanks be to God for this free gift, and for liberating us from ourselves. Thanks be to God that we don't need to earn our salvation...thanks be to God for His perfection.

[@timestealr2967]

No. You can only get the Father IF the Father draws you unto Himself. Jesus said that no one comes to the Father but by me and the Father has to draw him to the Father. We also do not liberate us from ourselves. That's a work of the flesh! God does the entire work of salvation so that man cannot take any credit.

[@KOTEC525]

@@timestealr2967 read the comment again...you basically repeated what I said.

[@troywright359]

@@timestealr2967 why did you say No and then repeat what he said?

[@richgonzales8468]

and the way you show that faith in christ is to love god and one another

[@alifatima1945]

Hi Rich, There is only one God.... One and only.. He begets not nor was he begotten and Jesus was his messenger....

[@prabhakararaorajarapu429]

AMEN

[@The_Rooneys]

Amen

[@lionoffireministries]

Answer: Yes

[@Charlie-fc7se]

So if I can believe ( who so ever Belice) with my free will I shall be save

[@donaldcoleman514]

no acts 2/21/22 and it shall come to pass that whoever call on the name of the most high shall be saved men of Israel hear these words are you a man of Israel

[@howardsumner8721]

"Can I tell them that God loves everyone"? If you do, you would be wrong. Again. "I love those who love me and those who seek me find me" (Proverbs 8:17) And do not forget. "For we cannot do anything against the truth, but only for it". (2 Corinthians 13:8)

[@mofe620]

The verse doesn't say "I love *only* those who love me" though. Both verses side by side: God so loved the world God loves those who love Him. Neither contradicts the other.

[@likenl4508]

Dude Christ died for all sinners so all could be righteous. 1 John 2 2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. God doesn't even want anyone to perish into hell he wants all to be saved. 1 Timothy 2 3-4 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. God did not destine us onto wrath but to obtain salvation through Jesus Christ. 1 Thessalonians 5 9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ. God calls hell the place reserved for the devil and his angels not created for man. Of course many will go, but again Christ died for all.

[@donaldcoleman514]

@@likenl4508 according to the bible christ die for Israel acts 5/29/30/31/then Peter and the other apostles answered and said we ought to obey God rather than men the God of our fathers raised up yahawashi whom you murdered by hanging on a tree him God has exalted to his right hand to be prince and saviour to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins according to the bible forgiveness of sins according to the bible is for Israel never mention sins of everyone

[@mckays1224]

Read Psalms 5.5.

[@donaldcoleman514]

AMAN

[@easternorthodoxchristianch5645]

"he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is unjust, let him be unjust still."

[@danielelam5513]

Yeah.

[@thanhmansour3490]

I find it hard to believe God loves the totality of fallen human beings.

[@jenifercanter6992]

He loves us and makes rules to keep us save, just like any good parent. Sin allows demons into your life and God does not want that for you. Acknowledge your sin, ask for forgiveness thru Jesus Christ and never do that thing again.

[@timestealr2967]

Sin allows for more sin, not demons. People really get that confused and then think that there's a demon behind every bush just waiting to ambush you when you sin. Then you have a demon of this or that rather than addressing your condition as being sinful. Don't tell yourself that you'll "never do that again" since Paul warned us that when the law came, sin sprang to life and what Paul resisted doing by trying to follow the law, he did give in to that sin and then broke the law since the law itself is powerless to save men, just like telling yourself to not do that sin again. Rely on the power of the Holy Spirit to build in you a resistance to that sin, which is the part of the sanctification process; don't embrace it but rather be grieved over it lest you rely on your own strength to save you in which it can't! It's all a work of God!

[@EricSmyth2Christ]

Proverbs 3:11-12 Revelation 3:19 Hebrews 12:6 There is a special love of discipline in the greek called "philio" love. This is the kind that goes to the sons of God, but not to the world Imagine a puppy to his owner. This puppy person is loved in a unique way better than the other sons of wrath. Justification/Sanctification

[@Youtuubpewp]

Oh, haha my mistake. I get the two mixed up sometimes.

[@MegaTia02]

Romans 5:8. Amplified Bible ... But God clearly shows and proves His own love for us, by the fact that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

[@joyfuljeff9128]

That whosoever believeth in him are those who were chosen out of the world 🌎 and given to Jesus BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD 🌍 Ephesians 1:4-5 the world 🌎 is the ones that is going to bring this Lost world 🌍 to an end, AS GOD'S CHOSEN ELECT ARE THE ONES WHOSE GOING TO GLORIFY GOD AND LAY CROWNS AT THE FEET OF JESUS 💖😘❤️😍 John 15:18-19 if the world hated you you know it hated me before it hated you if you were of the world the world would love its own but because you are not of the world, BUT I HAVE CHOSEN YOU OUT OF THE WORLD 🌍 therefore the world hates you

[@godisgoodfaithful.803]

WONDERFUL MESSAGE . " GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY SON......" 🙏🎯🙌👏👏❤

[@SoundDoctrineToday]

John 3:16 "Thusly did God love the world, that every believing one should not perish, but have everlasting life." GODS LOVE IS ONLY FOR HIS ELECT.

[@mikefanofmovies]

YAHUSHUA, He whom you call Jesus, has spoken to THIS generation. More of His Word at the bottom of this comment; "2/14/11 From YahuShua HaMashiach, Our Lord and Savior The Word of The Lord Spoken to Timothy For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear Thus says The Lord: Blood pours down, a waterfall of tears flow down! Rivers of tears and blood run through the desolate places, yet no growth is seen; nothing at all sprouts forth from the hard and cracked ground! The sound of the charadrion is not heard, neither do the doves come out of their hiding places in the morning; no song is heard... Blood pours down to cover the mountains! Blood pours down and tears cover the land! Blood and tears fall upon the parched ground, yet only dust and ashes remain. The earth cries out in the morning, and the people mourn at eventide; from dusk until the dawn, the bodies are piled up in heaps! The whole world loves violence, and over all this murder barely a tear is shed; the voice of weeping and lamentation is rarely heard above a whisper. And the cries of every unborn child is muffled by the sound of their mother’s dying womb, as her heart becomes stone... The light of her eyes darkening; her life, forfeit. Mankind is covered in wickedness! The breadth of the whole earth is filled with every kind of evil! Every tree is dry and bears bitter fruit! For the heart of man is black, the void within him deep, a widening chasm filled with deep darkness, sheer cliffs on every side!... Every branch withers, no more will leaves appear, dry and dead branches ready to be broken off and cast into the fire. The heart of The Lord your God is very heavy. The heart of The Lord is enraged, and is very heavy. The sorrow of The Lord is deep and infinite. My people, let it be known to you, I take no pleasure at all in what I must do, in what must be done - NO PLEASURE AT ALL! Says The Lord. As My hand draws back, blood pours down! As I strike the earth in My anger, My tears run down! As famine spreads forth across the land, My heart is rent inside Me over the hardness of men’s hearts! As My face fills with the heat of My fury, My eyes are set ablaze with fire over that which I see! My tears run down, My blood pours down. As My own servants turn from Me and run, as My own beloved, whom I have called sons and daughters, turn and fight against Me, as My own body betrays Me, My blood pours down, My tears run down. As the nations come together and bind My hands and My feet, My tears run down... As they bruise Me and spit in My eyes, While mocking Me, My tears run down... As they pierce My side, My blood and Tears run down together!... As My own people drive in the nails still, I am risen up from My place with My arms Spread apart, waiting to receive them! My blood runs down, the tears run down... OH MY PEOPLE, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME?! Hard generation! Sleeping children! Even My own fall asleep, unable to watch with Me for one hour; their hearts hardened, unwilling to weep with Me in this last hour. Do you not understand My sorrows, little flock? They refuse to be healed! Therefore, I must destroy them!... My blood runs down, and they refuse it! My tears fall like rain upon the nations, yet they will not lift their head, nor do they hold out their tongue to drink it! Where have all My children gone?! They choose death! THEY CHOOSE DEATH! And at the last day, they shall surely receive it; they shall taste of it to the fullest! Therefore do My tears run down; therefore do the rivers run like death through the waste places. Beloved, they heap up death, only to throw themselves upon the heap! Lo, they have made their covenant with death, and with the grave they are in agreement! They burn candles and make sacrifices to other gods; yea, they bow down to them! Behold, they shall be slaughtered and burned together!... The whole field is diseased, every leaf is blighted and withers, every stalk is rotten even to the roots! It must be purged and burned with fire! Therefore do My tears run down; therefore does My sorrow continue on, forever. The wound is incurable! Therefore My love will weep, and My heart will wail, forever. Have you not read My words, little flock? Are your ears yet dull in hearing? Yet My words shall not return void. For the beasts of the earth languish, and the creatures of flight fail to soar, for they know what is coming. Lo, I have nourished and brought forth young children to weep in your places, for you were unwilling. And still the mighty stand proud, and the feeble follow close behind in their example, refusing to bow down, covering themselves in pretense while wearing many disguises, until the face they behold in the mirror has become unrecognizable to them. THEY DO NOT KNOW ME!... My blood runs down, yet I do not know them! My tears run down, yet My own people remain Unclean, hiding always in their deceitful houses!... From the least to the greatest, I tell you, They have surely hated Me!... Therefore I am come down to take My spoil, To purge and to slaughter! Blood and fire! Rivers of blood and pillars of smoke!... This world is condemned, And The Father has declared its end!... I AM COME DOWN![1]... Says The Lord." ~ "3/15/11 From The Lord, Our God and Savior The Word of The Lord Spoken to Timothy For The Lord’s Little Flock, and For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear Thus says The Lord: Little flock, how is it you say within yourselves the way of The Lord is not equal? How is it you feel as though upon this servant I have poured a bounty, yet you remain desolate? Beloved ones, by whose power were you called forth into existence? To whose joy were you created? By whose favor were you born into this world by way of water and blood? Therefore, again I say to you, who you choose is everything. For I do not withhold My love, yet on account of your flesh you do always step backward. Consider the woman who touched My robes and was made whole. Tell Me, how is it that she received and you do not? Was she so highly favored, that she should receive and you should not? Beloved, come close and walk beside Me, for you are indeed highly favored! And all who grab hold of Me shall surely share in all that is Mine. Little flock, My ways are equal, yet the ways of My people remain unequal. For I have indeed poured out My life for you, yet each one must decide how deeply they drink. Do you not see? My blessings are equal for all who receive of My blessings, and My grace sufficient for all who trust in Me. Thus among those who come to Me, one is not favored over another, nor is My love bestowed by measure. Rather it is you who receive by measure, resisting on account of all these deceitful weights, trust which remains altogether lacking. Therefore do not confuse My love with the calling I have purposed for another, nor compare the gifts of the Spirit with The Blessing. For those I have called to serve shall indeed be given gifts, each in accordance with their faith and My will. And those who receive the greater gifts shall also bear the greater burden, even in the heat of the Day. Therefore, again I say to you, The Lord’s ways are indeed equal, Yet the ways of men remain unequal... Yet those who grab hold of their First Love With all their heart, with all their mind, With all their strength and with all their soul, Shall never go hungry, nor shall they thirst anymore; Nor shall the heat of the noonday Sun do them any harm... Yea, even all their tears shall be wiped away In the house of The Lord." trumpetcallofgod.com

[@aNeReplays]

@@mikefanofmovies For us English speaking people, his name is Jesus the Christ. For the Spanish speaking people it's Jesus (Hey-soos) el Christo. In Chinese it's pronounced, "Yēsū Jīdū." Hope this helps you in the future when you're addressing a primarily English speaking audience.

[@mikefanofmovies]

@@aNeReplays "7/27/06 From The Lord, Our God and Savior The Word of The Lord Spoken to Timothy For The Lord’s Little Flock, and For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear Thus says The Lord: The wicked shall surely fall by the word of their own mouth, and by their works shall they stumble into the pit; behold, by their every word and deed have they condemned themselves to death. Yet if these same ones turn from their iniquity, and call upon Me in the name of The Messiah, they shall live and not die; they shall surely be delivered! For they have called upon The Name, the only name under Heaven by which you must be saved. For He is called Jesus and Christ - His name: YAHUSHUA HAMASHIACH, both Lord and Savior of men. I tell you the truth, the very moment one has A change of heart do they pass from judgment into life... For I know the hearts of men, And their thoughts are not at all hidden from Me; Behold, I look upon their innermost desires, I know every hidden intention... Therefore when one calls upon Me, I know, I see, I hear, regardless of the name By which they have come to know Me, says The Lord... For there is but One God and One Savior, and I AM HE. Yet understand this: In times past I overlooked the ignorance of the people. Yet now I command all people everywhere to repent in sincerity and in truth.[1] In like manner, I have overlooked the ignorance of those who call The Messiah by another name. Yet now I command all who have ears to hear, to call upon His name as it is, was, and has always been, and not as they presume it to be.[2] Indeed I am calling all tribes, tongues, peoples and nations to embrace Him as He truly is, and not as the churches of men would have Him be,[3] says The Lord." www.thevolumesoftruth.com/Death_and_Deliverance

[@likenl4508]

Bible says God did not destine us for wrath but to abstain salvation through Christ Jesus. God doesn't want any to perish but all to be saved. If God doesn't want any to perish, he loves all. Christ died for all sinners, so all could be righteous. 1 John 2 2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins,and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

[@SoundDoctrineToday]

@@likenl4508 Hello, I can see from the Scriptures you quoted that you never studied this doctrine. The Bible is very clear IF YOU STUDY all the verses, that Christ died for This sheep. His sheep are known by Him and they know His voice and follow Him. How much time have you spent studying this doctrine?

[@rachray83]

Where is the "If" in the English or the Greek? Seems John 3:16 is a statement of definite action based upon a definite intent towards Everyone who believes, only, like the verses before it. Its rare to hear the verses before & after John 3:16.

[@robertsmit9872]

Thank you Jesus! Then when you accept Jesus as your savior. He will removes your sin's from you, as far as east is from the west. And when you die you will not be judged for all the sins you have committed! Instead you will go to heaven to be with the creator God! Because Jesus paid it all!

[@florachildressEarth2Flo]

You don’t accept Christ, we are dead in our sins, only God calls us to repentance, he turns us so to speak, to go after him, otherwise, we would everyone choose his sin. The only freedom we have in this world is freedom to sin, we are slaves to it, we love it, we hate God, unless he quickens our heart, we will keep sinning. And God arranged all of this before he formed the foundations of the earth, he had this, tapestry, laid out in his mind, you could call us spiritual robots, God calls the end to the beginning, he is sovereign, he controls all!

[@angloaust1575]

God is light And god is love The sun shines on the righteous And unrighteous It's all in the bible Most people can read Nobody has a monopoly on god

[@owrah2198]

The closer you get to God, the more you experience his Love for every human and animal! I saw people covered by Gods presence, ordinary people. Why wouldnt God love everyone? Please read your bible and experience God! I experienced Jesus two times crying over me. When I was in a sinful state. He can become angry, but he Loves in first place. Please read the Bible, especially the last books. God wants everyone to get saved.

[@JesusRodriguez-gu1wv]

I love how he shows expresses this, but then he goes and says that God creates people to be evil and never come to Him at all. That He enjoys sending them to Hell cuz it gives Him glory even though God says He never takes joy in the death, destruction, or punishment of anybody. So how could He create people He didnt love to not be saved? Does He not love them? Well I don't think so at all. Of course He does. I think the closest you can get with a Calvanistic idea of doomed from the womb is when Mike Winger says that God creates people even though he knows those people will reject Him by their own choice and action. They are damned by him from the beginning they had choices it's just God knew of their choices ahead of time and despite knowing they'd reject Him gave them life and chances to repent. Now I'm sure it's far more complex then this as God is complex and has naby reasons to do what He does but it seems strange that what Calvanism says seems to be against the gospel. I mean RC Sproul says God has no love for the wicked only hate, solely. He does not want them to be saved. He even said he cringes when hearing sermons of God loving everyone even the wicked sinner, having to hold himself back from breaking up the sermon. What is happening???? So much confusion out there with us in the world May God lead us all to pastors that bring Him glory.

[@David24476]

You are correct. this type of message contradicts his tulip theology.

[@troywright359]

I mean, you are arguing that God must love everyone in the same manner/with the same amount. Hell is difficult for any of us to analyse

[@josephpost3111]

SO is an adverb - John 14 and 15 tie in to verse 16...…..

[@rebelrebel7207]

God love is sometimes tough love. Not "Agape Love" Sinners that don't repent are sent to hell. There are conditions and he hates and despises the wicked.

[@thomasstackhouseocm3081]

JAMES 2:19 SENDS A VERY DIFFERENT MESSAGE!

[@mattjacobson5123]

Many would agree with JPs statement, "No limits to this offer" but, not all. RC Sproul says that, "When I hear preachers say that God loves everyone unconditionally, I want to stand up and scream" So, do these men disagree? No, they don't. JP is using words in a manner that may cause some to think he's teaching something he doesn't actually believe. Not that JP doesn't believe what he is saying, of course, he does . . . but that what he is saying will not be understood, in its essence, by most who hear him say these things. The best book on this topic is from David Allen. If your interested in a deep dive, this is the book for you. You can check it out here: www.amazon.com/Extent-Atonement-Historical-Critical-Review/dp/1433643928/ref=sr_1_1?crid=A9ZG06PWFA9T&dchild=1&keywords=the+extent+of+the+atonement+by+david+allen&qid=1615564663&sprefix=The+extent%2Caps%2C235&sr=8-1

[@antelu100]

hi. i believe the best book on this verse is the Bible . Why dont we allow Scripture to interpret Scripture and let our convictions come from God and not via another man's convictions

[@robotnik77]

John Piper always obfuscates scripture rather than putting a light on it. He wants to sound profound, so he says things that sound contradictory to one another. That's always been my opinion of his teaching, and I see nothing that has changed my mind.

[@maraskin777]

World = Only Church, generation of sons of God. Faith is from God, and not from us. We can't believe without God's will.

[@AM-6030]

What? So John 3:16 only says that God loves the church?

[@chantaljarry8416]

GOD LOVES EVERYONE AND WISH THEY UNDERSTOOD THEIR LESSON ON EARTH SO THEY COULD RISE BUT GOD IS VERY SAD TO SEE MANY DO NOT KNOW BECAUSE THEY WERE TAUGHT LIES. A GREAT DECEPTION IS AMONG SO MANY. HOW TO HELP THEM? SO SAD...

[@smartlikerock8519]

Yet God is Soveriegn

[@timestealr2967]

We can't help the sinner; we DO NOT do the work; God does. We preach the Gospel but it's God who calls, who saves, who justifies and who sanctifies. Not man lest anyone boast!

[@donaldcoleman514]

according to the bible the most high doesn't love everyone malachi 1 /2/3 I have love you says the most high yet you say in what way have you love us was not esau Jacob's brother says the most high yet Jacob I have love but easu I have hated Roman's 9/13 as it is written Jacob have I love but easu have I hated the most said as it is written it was first written in malachi old testament and then in new testament so according to the bible the most high doesn't love everyone the god of Israel according to the bible isn't everyone God so why would he love everyone joel and ye shall know that i'am in the midst of Israel and I'm the lord ur God and none else so God is telling Israel he is the lord their God and none else

[@donaldcoleman514]

can you prove it from the bible the most high love everyone

[@myhassles3614]

I cant get enough of Gods love for the sinner. As its said that we are all ordained, weither its evil, or good. God breathed our first breath, not regarding what wrong that person does in life. God still loved that person enough to give them life, so that later He could show His mercy. But not all will except His mercy. Is it their fault that 'God created Satan evil' and let him loose on this earth, John 8:44 kjv, Colossians 1:16 kjv. Those verses sums up God ordaining, or for His purpose why Satan exists. We are taught by Jesus to live by our spirit. I've lived on Satans side for years, yet God brought me back to Him 3 times. So I can say that I understand some of Gods love for all mankind. I'll stop preaching now!

[@donaldcoleman514]

can you prove that the most high love a sinner according to the bible psalm 5/5 the foolish shall not stand in thy sight thou hatest all workers of iniquity 1 thessalonians 5/21 test all thing's hold fast to what is good meaning prove it prove it from the bible that the most high said he love all workers of iniquity I'll be waiting

[@myhassles3614]

@@donaldcoleman514 read Rev. 22:14-15 kjv. Why are sinners still alive on the world. This after all said and done,at the end of that book?

[@myhassles3614]

@@donaldcoleman514 I went to church and he gave a new scripture. Luke 6:27-36 kjv which talks about loving you enemies or you can say, love the sinners. This is what Jesus said.

[@donaldcoleman514]

@@myhassles3614 first of all God only dealt with Israel he never dealt with any other nation psalm 147/19/20 he show his words to Jacob and his statutes and judgments to Israel for he has not dealt with any other nation and for his judgments they have not known them according to the bible the most high show his words to Jacob an Israelite his statutes and judgments to Israel an Israelite the bible says he never dealt with any other nation and for his judgments they have not known them so why would the most high deal with an none Israelite he's the God of Israel according to the bible joel 2/27 and ye shall know that i'am in the midst of Israel and I'm the lord ur God and none else so according to the bible the most high is telling Israel he is their God and none else again why would a God that is not everyone God be dealing with them

[@myhassles3614]

@@donaldcoleman514 Get out of that old testiment. Jesus died to finalize the ending of it and to start a new era.

[@machstormer]

Yes, God DOES love everyone. However, that love sometimes requires corrections, admonishments, warnings, and punishments.

[@jamesbertram7925]

my my My bible says in John chapter 4v42, this is indeed the Christ the Saviour of the world, and in John chapter 12v47, I did not come to judge the world but to save the world, and Romans chapter 11v15, the casting away of them is the reconciling of the world, and in Second Corinthians chapter 5v19, God was in Christ reconciling the world unto Himself. and John chapter 1v29, Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world, and in First John chapter 2v2, he is the propitiation for our sins and the whole world., and in First John chapter 4v14, the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world

[@vesperitan]

He left out “begotten” In John 3:16!!!

[@troywright359]

Substitute 'one and only' for begotten, and Son is still in capital letters, but I do agree the specific word begotten helps encompass all that into itself

[@kevinbarton1661]

Even the suggestion of the title of this discussion.presents the folly of our finite Minds . Proverbs 3:5&6 and proverbs 1:10 and the example of King David Should be sufficient to keep God In our eyes every moment of each hour of every day. John 3:16 & 17 asks. Us to look up to bask in Gods love through Jesus Christ our savior !! But !!! Abraham BELIEVES ! And GOD PROVIDED a lamb for Abraham. And Isaac !! So Abraham. Lineage would be preserved for Righteousness by the lamb God provides for him. And Abraham is mentioned in Romans 4:19&20 and the great faith chapter ! In Hebrews.!! And if we obeyed the great acts 1:8 love verse !! Then the world Will know and lift up The Saviors name and all would be saved . Because of john 3:17.

[@CBALLEN]

"You can say to all human beings,God loves you..." So what if you are preaching to Esau?

[@lmorter7867]

God didn't hate Esau. The word hate is not used the way that we use it. It simply means that God favored Jacob over Esau for a purpose not salvation. We know that God offers his grace and love to all people because we know he doesn't want any to perish but wants all to be saved so he offers salvation to all.

[@reubenfederer6660]

“Jacob I loved, but Esau I HATED” its very clear you can’t get that wrong

[@lmorter7867]

@@reubenfederer6660 No but evidently you can. When Jesus tells us to hate our father, mother, wife, brother, sister and even own life do you think we are to take him literally (Luke 14:26). Obviously Jesus is not saying we are to hate everyone in the sense that we define it. He is saying that we are to prefer him over everyone. The same goes for Jacob and Esau. God chose/preferred Jacob's bloodline to bring the Messiah. That's all it means. God doesn't hate anyone. He doesn't desire for anyone to perish - 2 Pt 3:9 and wants all to be saved - 1 Tim 2:4. How is it possible for God to hate any of his creation? The only thing God hates is evil that wants to destroy it.

[@robbiemckenzie100]

Hate when translated properly means to love less. Not the meaning of hate we think of today

[@timestealr2967]

@@lmorter7867 You don't know your biblical theology very well. God's wrath (i.e hate of us by our sinfulness) abides on those who are not saved by God. God did hate Esau and rejected him. God also rejected (hated) the entire human race and drowned them all except for 8 people. God actually went on record as saying the HE did this! God also rejected Saul as king, rejected all the nations that were around Israel, hardened pharaoh's heart just to make His name great and on and on. God does choose those who He wants saved and rejects (hates) the rest. God also destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, not sparing a single person other than Lot and his family. His desire for none to perish refers to those of His elect, not the unsaved, otherwise if God desired them all to come to repentance, then they would've and Hell would be emptied of any humans. Jesus told a crowd of Jewish people and leaders that none of you will go to Heaven, where I go you cannot come, and that they were "children of their father, the Devil". Read your Bible.

[@michellejasso3688]

Which bible does John use, anyone know?

[@dh1335]

You have to stop sinning, to inherit eternal life. To receive God’s mercy, hence forgiveness. For the rest of your life.

[@hilbert551]

Right. Who so ever believes... If you do not believe in Him (Jesus) then you do not receive eternal life.

[@dh1335]

@@hilbert551 To believe is to obey, if you don’t obey, you don’t believe.

[@elohiymkingdom9453]

it's easy for u to say. Humans sin on a daily..

[@Youtuubpewp]

I agree with everything except with trusting in God as the ONLY requirement. He also commands us to daily repentance. Yes, Faith must come first before repentance can take place, but Paul said “ show me your faith without works and I’ll show you my faith BY my works.” People take that as a work based salvation but the Bible makes it clear it is not the case. If you sinned, after salvation you no longer desire to do that which is wicked but now you press on to do things, BECAUSE you have been regenerated (not in order to be), which are good that you are now able to do them in faith and in Truth. Just thought that was important to share.

[@fearoftehdark]

Paul didn't say that. James did. (James 2:18). Also, James isn't talking about salvific justification. James is talking about justification towards our brothers, that we prove our faith in God to our brothers in Christ with our works. Paul says in Ephesians 2:8-9 that we're saved by grace alone. This only happens if we repent obviously, but once we repent we're saved and that's permanent. So in conclusion: Yes, indeed faith alone saves us.

[@AlfonsoYap7477]

You mean the same thing. Salvation is gained by grace through faith. And that salvific faith produces the works. John Piper did not mean to live the Christian life, only the trusting is required without works. :) As what you said, that faith is seen by its fruit :)

[@KOTEC525]

AMEN AMEN AMEN!!!

[@Phenique35]

True... The Bible does not teach the doctrine of ‘once saved, always saved.’ A person who has gained salvation by faith in Jesus Christ can lose that faith and the salvation that comes with it. The Bible says that maintaining faith requires great effort, a “hard fight.” (Jude 3, 5) Early Christians who had already accepted Christ were told: “Keep working out your own salvation with fear and trembling.”​-Philippians 2:​12.

[@gordoncrawley5826]

@@Phenique35 If you believe you are Justified and added to Gods household of faith. You have salvation, so now go and be fruitful with reverence toward God. That is what this means, not that you must work "first" to have salvation. That would be abominable, because it means that you could be righteous before God on your own merit. We are saved to good works, not saved by good works. What good works did the thief on the cross do, yet Jesus assured him that he would be in heaven because he believed in Jesus. Salvation is a gift, it cannot be bought or earned. Faith is not our work, it is Gods work in that He changes our minds toward Him.

[@rosepiranian7596]

So as long as Jesus Christ did NOT die for everyone, God does not love everyone.

[@David24476]

Where did he leave his Calvinism in this message?

[@robotnik77]

He left Calvinism at the very beginning.

[@raphaelgamaroff6225]

Throughout. Another Calminian

[@bradwalton3977]

So, the answer is yes?

[@richgonzales8468]

GOD LOVES EVERYONE>> PERIOD

[@robotnik77]

Well then; no one has anything to worry about; Hell will be empty. So says Rich.

[@donaldcoleman514]

prove what you say from the bible 1 thessalonians 5/21 test all thing's hold fast to what is good meaning prove it from the bible God love everyone malachi 1 /2/3 for Jacob I have love but easu I have hated Roman's 9/13 as it is written for Jacob I have love but easu I have hated out of god mouth for Jacob I have love but easu I have hated period now prove the bible wrong

[@simonvallee718]

Hold on... how can he says that God's offer applies to anybody INDISCRIMINATELY, but in others of his preachings says that God has selected before the foundation of the world who will believe ? Saving faith is a gift from God that he gives to His elected. It does not depend on people's will to believe, it only depends on GOD'S CHOICE to get some to believe. I tried to believe so many times in my life that Jesus is my Lord and Saviour. I invited Him in my life many times. It has never worked, I'm not saved.

[@chumbucket5109]

Why did God say he hated Esau (I think that’s how it’s spelled)

[@skafan89]

its not hate as we know it , Jesus says if you dont hate your mother , father, brother and sister you can not enter.

[@naomicameron4142]

Because Esau is the white man according to history, science, and prophesy that’s why.

[@SpotterVideo]

Gen 25:23 And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.

[@skafan89]

@@SpotterVideo yup thats where it comes from, , nothing to do with individual salvation , just that god chose one for the seed to come through over the other ,.

[@timestealr2967]

Because it's God who chooses, not man. It's not dependent on the will of man but on God who saves! God didn't love all those nations that He used Israel to destroy, and Israel is God's chosen elect nation to carry His name before the world. God hardened pharaoh's heart, God rejected Cain's sacrifice, God predestined Judas to betray Jesus and end up in Hell (Judas) forever. Jesus told his disciples, "Did I not choose you?". The Bible has proof after proof that God doesn't love everyone but chooses who He wants to be His own and brings them to salvation; and people need to know this so that they don't think that God loves them regardless and then wind up in Hell, lost forever.

[@tossingsaltoutreach3565]

So if God loves everyone. Why does Psalms 3 say he hates all workers on iniquity?

[@joseromero81]

Prooftexting there? It's clear that God hates workers of iniquity, but that would mean he hates us all :) Check out Romans 3-21-31.

[@gregjay9933]

Tossing salt many Christians wrongly assume that God hates in the same way men hate. Hatred in people is generally thought of in terms of strong emotional dislike for someone or something. However, in God, hate is a judicial act on the part of the righteous Judge who separates the sinner from Himself. This is not contradictory to God’s love, or His love for sinners. God has made it possible for sin to be forgiven so that all can be reconciled to Himself. Ultimately, the sinner will experience God’s hatred of sin by suffering eternal separation from Him. Remember, God is “not willing that any should perish but that ALL should come to repentance.”

[@tossingsaltoutreach3565]

Greg Jay so when Gods word say the foolish can’t stand in his sight and he hates all workers of iniquity which translates that he hates sinners. It just means he hates in a judicial sense? Oh yeah. That makes a lot of sense. Yet when he says he loves that means he loves.... let me ask you where does it say in scripture that he loves everyone? I don’t want you opinion I want scripture please.

[@tossingsaltoutreach3565]

Jose Romero All of those outside of Christ. As it says in Romans threw faith Christ’s righteousness is given to us. Meaning all those outside of Christ are sinners and enemy’s of God. It’s not hard to conceptualize this.

[@gregjay9933]

@@tossingsaltoutreach3565 I have explained how God hates, but I can’t make you understand this. Since God is infinite in love, there is no room for hate. For God so loved the world. Being infinite in love, God can’t do anything but love His fallen creation. He is also Righteous and therefore must punish rebellion. God is infinite in love, rich in mercy and grace, kind in all His deeds; I don’t see much room for hate here!

[@haydendupree8032]

You can tell he’s preaching to a room full of Calvinists with how careful he’s being with his words lol

[@HorseshitDetectionAgency]

Calvinists are going to hell so who cares what they think?

[@haydendupree8032]

@@HorseshitDetectionAgency maybe you’re the one who’s going to hell Stephen? Maybe we shouldn’t care what you think? If Calvinism is true, you just blasphemed the living God. Maybe you should think before you speak.

[@apologistdb]

Well, he's a Calvinist, so.....

[@cesar5478]

That world he was talking about is the nation of Israel. Not everyone in the world!

[@donaldcoleman514]

AMAN

[@kathleenwharton2139]

Gods Love is There for Everyone. The question is: Do we Love God Enough to Listen to Him and Do what He Tells us? Do we Love Him Enough to Seek Him. And not Follow men in the bible, churches, religions and pastors? I have been very mislead by them All. I have learned to listen to Jesus, Alone. He is The Only One Who Knows what is Right for me. Or you! Pastors are like Pharisees standing on the street corner selling you Themselves and God. This is Not God!

[@donaldcoleman514]

according to the bible the most high love isn't for everyone Roman's 9/13 as it is written for Jacob I have love but easu I have hated when scripture says as it is written it was written in malachi 1/2/3

[@kathleenwharton2139]

@@donaldcoleman514 Jesus Came and Corrected the image of the OT Hateful God. I believe Jesus.

[@marcuscooper817]

How then he says jacob ilove but esauhave i hated

[@belindawilliams7732]

Romans 9 has helped me answer this

[@donaldcoleman514]

it is what it is

[@godsgirl9497]

I think God does love us all. Even those who have been given over to a reprobate mind due to their own thoughts and actions. I was once this way and He loved me enough to save me, change me, and now I am born again.

[@tess1544]

Calvinist parcel words what you sounds good but let’s look deeper...do you mean you were in a state totally deprivety as in dead as a door nail. Do you mean that God regenerated (born again) you before you could believe due to irresistible moving of The Spirit? Do you believe you were predestined from before time to be one of the “elect”? Do you believe that God predestined people to hell before the beginning?

[@timestealr2967]

No, God doesn't love the one with a reprobate mind. Did God love all those who were destroyed in Sodom? Did God send them to Heaven? No. God gives sinners over to a reprobate mind since all they desire is sin; not righteousness. And when that happens, that's a judgment pronounced on that person from God; not love, but wrath. The end game here is Hell and eternal punishment!

[@thelogiclockedwithinhuman8285]

@@timestealr2967 You act like just another self righteous Pharisee how can you say God hates people, you've got a twisted theology...

[@timestealr2967]

@@thelogiclockedwithinhuman8285 and you have no discernment

[@timestealr2967]

Sorry, but you're incorrect. God doesn't love everyone. If He did, then Hell would be emptied. Also, scripture doesn't support that God loves everyone. Please read your bible.

[@belongtotheway7869]

Only RELIGION would ask such a question about the love of God through Christ.

[@alihoussney7870]

In one sense God has a general love for all mankind whom He has made in His image. But in another sense He has a special saving love for the elect.....see Ephesians 1:4-11. Also God does hate certain people according to Psalm 5:5, Psalm 11:5 and Romans 9:13-14. I see everybody here is skipping over these verses. His hatred is righteous indignation and not like ours. Nor does it contradict His love. God is perfect and knows how to perform all His attributes righteously and perfectly. You mean to say that when someone ends up in Hell forever, suffering in the flames that God still loves that person? God is the destroyer of the body and soul. His love is withdrawn once you draw your last breath if you have not repented of your sins and turned to Christ for forgiveness.

[@timestealr2967]

I do agree with you in part; God doesn't love the sinner or remove any love He has for them once they're in Hell. Hell is the final judgment and where the full wrath of God is poured out on sinful and unrepentant men. The Bible says that every non-saved person has the wrath of God abiding on them (while they are still living on earth), not love. God does grant grace to all in that He's patient, not willing that any should perish (His elect that is) but come to repentance, but grace doesn't mean love; grace is unmerited favor, not love. You could grant me the grace to travel to a distant country, but that didn't mean that you granted me the love to do that; just the allowance of that. God sends the rain on the just AND the unjust. Both benefit from creation, both are subject to the pitfalls of creation, but both are not chosen to be in God's family for all eternity. So, in short, if you're not part of God's sovereign elect, then there was no love on you from God at all. Remember Jacob and Esau; God hated Esau even before Esau was born or had done anything wrong and Paul used this example to explain God's elect and that He doesn't love everyone.

[@alihoussney7870]

@@timestealr2967 Again we must distinguish between the types of love, general and specific. God would not have given man His image, honor, dignity and other temporal blessings if He had no love for him. We do not want to fall into the trap of that dangerous theology out there called Hyper-Calvinism.

[@alihoussney7870]

@@timestealr2967 I agree with the hatred God has for sinners (Psalm 5:5, Psalm 11:5, Proverbs 6:16-19, Romans 9:13-14) who remain under His wrath, and that He does not have this divine hatred for the elect. Jesus used the same Greek word in the New Testament as Paul did in Romans 9 when Jesus said he who does not hate his mother and father is not worthy of being my disciple. It means that the love God had for Jacob was so deep and incomparable that it sounded like His lesser love for Esau was like hatred. Of course Jesus does not want us to literally hate our father and mother, since hatred is equated to murder and the greatest command is to love God and neighbor.

[@timestealr2967]

@@alihoussney7870 You're comparing New Testament Greek to Old Testament Hebrew. When Paul cited Mal. 1:2, he knew Hebrew but still translated it into the Greek imperative. In other words, Paul didn't say in Romans 9 that God meant He loved Esau less than Jacob but the imperative stresses a disdain for Esau in that God passed him over for Jacob due to that hatred of Esau. Now, keep in mind that there's nothing we do or can do to contribute to God's love or hate towards us; this is done as a part of predestination and election on God's part. Also, the wrath of God abides on the non-saved, which isn't a lesser love of those than the saved but rather an imperative that shows God's disdain for unrepentant sinners in that His anger and hatred towards sin and the sinner is ever present, which is why Hell is a place of eternal torment as the sinner never repents of his/her sin while in Hell but still gnash their teeth and wag their tongues at God for putting them there and it's God's wrath against sin and the sinner that keep the fires of Hell burning for all eternity with the sinners having an eternal residence there. They can't and will never repent and God will never allow sin to go unpunished.

[@alihoussney7870]

@@timestealr2967 I never said we do anything to warrant love or hatred from God. I'm simply taking in all of what Scripture says. God does love all mankind but in different ways. His love for the elect He does not have for the reprobates. Once the reprobates enter Hell all of the goodness of God is withdrawn from them. This does not mean God is mutable.

[@thetruthisthis2533]

The bible CLEARLY states that God ONLY loves Israel [Bloodline of] (Psalms 147:17, Deuteronomy 7:6) [To say anything other than "thus says the lord" is changing God's word]. God says (2 Esdras 6:54) And after these, Adam also, whom thou madest lord of all thy creatures: of him come we all, and the people also whom thou hast chosen. (2 Esdras 6:55) All this have I spoken before thee, O Lord, because thou madest the world for our sakes (2 Esdras 6:57) As for the other people, which also come of Adam, thou hast said that they are nothing, but be like unto spittle: and hast likened the abundance of them unto a drop that falleth from a vessel. So, how can you tell everyone God loves them when you are lying to them?

[@20july1944]

Could the Father *not* have forgiven our sins without sacrificing Jesus? That would suggest an outside standard of justice the Father is beholden to.

[@dbatteries1]

Yes he could have but with him sending jesus it shows his overwhelming love for us.

[@kevinbarton1661]

20july1944 - obviously He did forgive sin before Jesus advent.

[@20july1944]

@@dbatteries1 Even moreso it shows Jesus's love for us, but I agree.

[@poppybo6601]

Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sin. Hebrews 9. It had to be pure blood not tainted by sin, Jesus was the only one qualified. The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.

[@20july1944]

@@poppybo6601 God could forgive anyone at any time for any reason, He does not need to shed any blood.

[@lmorter7867]

Yet this man believes that the only way a person can believe is if God has chosen them and enabled them to believe. What about those that God doesn't select? He walks right by and leaves them dead in thier sins to die and suffer for eternity purposely when he can save them. He offers them salvation when they are incapable of receiving it and he knows that he won't enable them. Isn't that disingenuous to say the least?

[@staceywamsteker5918]

I really like this comment and am currently on a journey to try to understand the best I can how these two concepts. I am realising that I have to fully get to know God and his character to start to understand things like this. It can be confusing sometimes but i definitely think the beginning to understand God is to really learn about who he is. :) Good luck on your journey as well :)

[@indakgalak]

GOD said HE will have mercy on whom HE will have mercy (sovereignty), but at the same time offers salvation as a gift to all... Unfortunately some people choose to reject it! GOD is sovereign but we as human beings created in GOD's image are also responsible for our own choices and actions... I hope this helps...🌹 But please know that we can never fully understand the vastness of GOD's love, grace and mercy with our FINITE human brains... GOD is GOD... We are but human beings... It takes sincere humility to admit and accept that...❤️

[@staceywamsteker5918]

@@indakgalak Yeah I agree. It has been quite the revelation to think of the sovereignty of God. Also God knows everything that is going to happen and every possible outcome and things we cant see or understand....so in terms of hardening peoples hearts....could it be that he knows they would never accept Him anyway....so he uses them for the good of those who do follow Him?

[@lmorter7867]

@@staceywamsteker5918 You can't go wrong if you keep your eyes on Jesus ❣️

[@evanu6579]

Stacey Leigh Hello. I think there is something that many are missing in Romans 9 and the hardening. Watch for the examples Paul uses to explain who Israel is. (Rom 9: 6 ¶ Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:) Rom 9: 18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. ...That’s about Israel..... Rom 11: 7 ¶ What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded Pharaoh was like an anti type of the state of Israel in Paul’s day. Pharaoh was hardened (he was already a wicked man though) so that God would make His power known throughout the nations. Look at Israel..... Rom 11: 8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day. 9 ¶ And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them: 10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway. 11 ¶ I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather 👉🏻through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles,👈🏻 for to provoke them to jealousy. The two vessels made from one lump is Israel.... Rom 11: 7 ¶ What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded Rom 9: 6 ¶ Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: The state of Israel is being compared to those whom the promises were MADE TO and CAME THROUGH (compared) with those to whom the promises CAME TO. Rom 9: 6 ¶ Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7 👉🏻👉🏻Neither,👈🏻👈🏻 because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. Not all Israel is of Israel just like not all of Abraham’s children were counted for the promises seed (Jesus) I can go through verse by verse if you like. I only wanted to point out what I see as the obvious parallels to help you see that the premise most have about this passage isn’t correct. One more quick thing..... Rom 9: 22 ¶ What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: Exodus 32: 7 ¶ And the LORD said unto Moses, Go, get thee down; for thy people, which thou broughtest out of the land of Egypt, have corrupted themselves: 8 They have turned aside quickly out of the way which I commanded them: they have made them a molten calf, and have worshipped it, and have sacrificed thereunto, and said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which have brought thee up out of the land of Egypt. 9 And the LORD said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people: 10 Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation. 11 ¶ And Moses besought the LORD his God, and said, LORD, why doth thy wrath wax hot against thy people, which thou hast brought forth out of the land of Egypt with great power, and with a mighty hand? 12 Wherefore should the Egyptians speak, and say, For mischief did he bring them out, to slay them in the mountains, and to consume them from the face of the earth? Turn from thy fierce wrath, and repent of this evil against thy people. 13 Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, thy servants, to whom thou swarest by thine own self, and saidst unto them, I will multiply your seed as the stars of heaven, and all this land that I have spoken of will I give unto your seed, and they shall inherit it for ever. 14 And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people. Israel (the ones through whom the promises were to come) was prepared for destruction and God was going to make His power known on those vessels of wrath but instead He was long suffering.... Exo 33/3 Unto a land flowing with milk and honey: for I will not go up in the midst of thee; for thou art a stiffnecked people: lest I consume thee in the way. 4 ¶ And when the people heard these evil tidings, they mourned: and no man did put on him his ornaments. 13 Now therefore, I pray thee, if I have found grace in thy sight, shew me now thy way, that I may know thee, that I may find grace in thy sight: and consider that this nation is thy people. 19 ¶ And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom 👉🏻I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.👈🏻 God was merciful to Israel in that He didn’t destroy them because He of the promises made to Abraham. The Messiah would come through them so that He might have mercy in the vessels of mercy prepared for glory. The mercy He had on both groups was not because of works but because of His will. He chose to have mercy through faith in Christ which makes one part of Israel Rom 9: 31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; I hope that makes sense. God bless

[@gregjay9933]

Calvinism is well known for its inconsistencies and Piper certainly did not disappoint in this instance. Piper stated, “This love is indiscriminate - it may be spoken to, promised to, applied to EVERYONE WITHOUT EXCEPTION because that is what it says.” And yet, Piper has previously written, “The full, saving effectiveness of the atonement that Jesus accomplished is LIMITED to those for whom that saving effect was prepared.” On one hand Piper says God’s love is applied to EVERYONE WITHOUT EXCEPTION, and on the other hand he says, “The full, saving effectiveness of the atonement that Jesus accomplished is LIMITED to those for whom that saving effect was prepared.” Piper continues with his inconsistencies by stating, “John 3:16 expresses what we love to call, ‘the free offer of the Gospel’. There are NO LIMITS to this offer.” What happened to LIMITED ATONEMENT? Calvinists seem to have great difficulty recognises their own inconsistencies.

[@alecbell709]

Hey Greg. I would love to chime in with you with this just for fruitful discussion. My apologies if I write something too long!! It does seem inconsistent to say that God's love applies to "everyone without exception" while also saying that the work of the cross is effective for a limited amount of people (from beforehand). In my reading of John 3:16 and to my understanding of Pastor Piper's remarks, I actually don't see these claims as being inconsistent (I'm not arguing for the doctrine of Limited Atonement as a whole; I merely just want to focus on the claims you highlighted in your comment). First, God's LOVE for "the world" (with focusing on the type of God's love expressed in John 3:16) does not lead to inevitable salvation for the individual. Truly, God sent his son to die on the cross so that one MAY believe, not WILL believe. The very presence of God's love expressed in this way does not equate salvation; faith leads to salvation. I don't believe you to be claiming the opposite, but I find it necessary to point that out for this next part. Second, if I understand Piper correctly, he may simply be referring to the idea that God shows his love for the whole world in that the finished work of Christ is SUFFICIENT for ANYONE who believes to receive eternal life). What a glorious and amazing love he expresses to all in that way! The sufficient work of the cross, however, is not EFFECTIVE for all naturally (unless someone take's the viewpoint of a Universalist, which I am not a believer in). What Pastor Piper means by "effective" really is the type of faith that effects salvation. Indeed, their is a condition of faith for salvation within John 3:16 as well, isn't there? "To the one (or "whoever" in most translations) who believes" will receive eternal life. To THAT person who believes is the finished work of Christ ultimately effective. I believe that is what Pastor Piper is going for in his written claim. So even if you don't necessarily believe in the whole doctrine of Limited Atonement (which I myself am working out what I believe with it!), I think it may be fair to say that these specific claims are really not inconsistent if you understand the viewpoint well enough. Other issues with Calvinism or Pastor Piper will surely arise for you and for me as well. If there is anything else you disagree with me on or if I need to clarify on something, please I would be delighted to continue the conversation. **Just another thought on Piper's remark about "the free offer of the Gospel." There is a difference between the OFFER of the gospel and the FAITH PLACED in the gospel. An offer of the gospel for all does not inevitably lead to someone being saved. It is merely the offer or message preached TO all. As we see even in our lives, some reject it while some truly believe in it. But the work of the cross ULTIMATELY is effective for those who do believe (again, stemming from what I talked about above). Either way, we have a job in preaching the gospel of grace to the ends of the earth!

[@johannwilder1437]

Greg Jay, the Bible supports Predestination (what you call Calvinism). That's the only reason to believe it. Now where it gets very strange is the Bible also supports free will. I understand that is a contradiction to human logic. But they are both in the Bible. You cannot argue against predestination. The Bible is rife with verses that unequivocally say God chooses us, even against our will. However, you also have verses like J3:16 where it seems to be an open-ended offer. So you either must throw the Bible out and not accept any of it, or you must accept this strange paradox which defies human logic. Piper does understand this, which is why you accuse him of contradicting himself. No human being can possibly understand these truths. We were not meant to. We must just accept what is revealed to us, strive to understand the best we can, and live by faith.

[@gregjay9933]

@@alecbell709 At the heart of this debate is the question of who God loves and who Jesus died for. If Jesus died effectively for the elect only, or as Piper says, “The full, saving effectiveness of the atonement that Jesus accomplished is LIMITED to those for whom that saving effect was prepared,” then can one say honestly that God loves all sinners the same. Arthur Pink said, “When we say that God is sovereign in the exercise of His love, we mean that He loves whom He chooses. God does not love everybody.” Piper, on the other hand, keeping true to the Bible, maintains that “God’s love is INDISCRIMINATE - it may be spoken to, promised to, applied to EVERYONE WITHOUT EXCEPTION.” How can a God who is infinite in love, rich in mercy and grace, kind in all His deeds, choose to save only a small percentage of His fallen creation? In the case of the Japanese, this would be 1%. Your comment, “Truly, God sent his son to die on the cross so that one MAY believe, not WILL believe.” Rather than say, “one MAY believe, I maintain the Bible teaches, ANYONE may believe. The question is, has God chosen certain ones to believe, ie, the elect, or can any sinner believe? The Bible says we are chosen IN CHRIST. Does this mean we are chosen to be in Christ or does it mean we are chosen BECAUSE we are in Christ? Jesus said, ‘You did not choose me, I chose you’. The Calvinist immediately thinks of chosen for salvation. Jesus was saying He chooses certain ones for service, and He still does this today. To suggest that Piper was referring to the idea that God shows his love for the whole world in that the finished work of Christ is SUFFICIENT for ANYONE, makes God’s offer of Salvation an insincere offer. In fact, it makes God rather disingenuous because He knew that the non-elect could not respond to something that was offered. [An offer of the gospel for all does not inevitably lead to someone being saved] Agreed. This is why Jesus said,” you ARE UNWILLING to come to Me so that you may have life.” For a detailed examination of these issues I strongly recommend you visit soteriology101.com

[@gregjay9933]

@@johannwilder1437 you are correct when you say the Bible supports predestination. You are also correct when you say the Bible supports free will. Where I disagree is your comment - “No human being can possibly understand these truths. We were not meant to. We must just accept what is revealed to us, strive to understand the best we can, and live by faith.” Where Calvinists get it wrong is their interpretation of what is meant by predestination. The Bible teaches that God predestined, in eternity past, what was to become of those who freely come to Christ. And what becomes of those who freely come to Christ is that they are adopted as sons, sanctified, glorified, etc. The dispute here is the object of predestination - God predestining who will be saved Vs God predestinating what becomes of those who freely place their faith in Christ. Jesus said, ‘You did not choose me, I chose you’. Jesus was not talking about Salvation, He was saying He chose them for service, and He still does this today. Yes, the Bible supports predestination and being chosen, but how we interpret those words determines whether we are going to be consistent or inconsistent with God’s Word.

[@AlfonsoYap7477]

Love is indiscriminate. Salvation is limited to those who will believe.

[@lsb9881]

He didn't answer the question. Did he?

[@BiG_SorD]

Why would Jesus love any of us sin tainted savages, that should be your argument. If you think for a millisecond that you deserve salvation I say check yourself and humble yourself.

[@tlafleur8433]

God throws us the rope, we grab on and struggle to climb up while he pulls the rope upward. He doesn't throw a rope to each sinner but only to those he chose before the world was. No one can reach God without that rope.

[@kami-san7257]

Seems cruel.

[@robotnik77]

A dead man can't grasp a rope. God must give a man spiritual life before he can reach out to God.

[@tlafleur8433]

@@robotnik77 ok.

[@justinchambers1626]

God loves everyone, just like scripture says, not what John Calvin says, but what scripture says

[@billyr9162]

Malachi 1:2-4 [2]I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, [3]And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness. [4]Whereas Edom saith, We are impoverished, but we will return and build the desolate places; thus saith the LORD of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, The border of wickedness, and, The people against whom the LORD hath indignation for ever. Ooops

[@donaldcoleman514]

according to the bible the most high doesn't love everyone where in scripture does it say that malachi 1/2/3 yet Jacob I have love but easu I have hated romans 9/13 as it is written for Jacob I have love but easu I have hated why would he love everyone when NOT everyone God according to the bible joel 2/27 and ye shall know that i'am in the midst of Israel and I'm the lord ur God and none else the most high is telling Israel he is their God and none else never mention everyone ONLY ISRAEL

[@bobbybowers356]

You must be talking about a different god that the God of the Bible. Psalm 5:5 says God hates all workers of iniquity (notice it says workers, not works.) psalm 11:5 says He hates the wicked, and those who love violence. Romans 9:13 He says He loved Jacob, but hated Esau. These are all from the scriptures. You might want to read your Bible more closely.

[@ghoulking5652]

No

[@mikefanofmovies]

YAHUSHUA, He whom you call Jesus, has spoken to THIS generation. More of His Word at the bottom of this comment; "2/14/11 From YahuShua HaMashiach, Our Lord and Savior The Word of The Lord Spoken to Timothy For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear Thus says The Lord: Blood pours down, a waterfall of tears flow down! Rivers of tears and blood run through the desolate places, yet no growth is seen; nothing at all sprouts forth from the hard and cracked ground! The sound of the charadrion is not heard, neither do the doves come out of their hiding places in the morning; no song is heard... Blood pours down to cover the mountains! Blood pours down and tears cover the land! Blood and tears fall upon the parched ground, yet only dust and ashes remain. The earth cries out in the morning, and the people mourn at eventide; from dusk until the dawn, the bodies are piled up in heaps! The whole world loves violence, and over all this murder barely a tear is shed; the voice of weeping and lamentation is rarely heard above a whisper. And the cries of every unborn child is muffled by the sound of their mother’s dying womb, as her heart becomes stone... The light of her eyes darkening; her life, forfeit. Mankind is covered in wickedness! The breadth of the whole earth is filled with every kind of evil! Every tree is dry and bears bitter fruit! For the heart of man is black, the void within him deep, a widening chasm filled with deep darkness, sheer cliffs on every side!... Every branch withers, no more will leaves appear, dry and dead branches ready to be broken off and cast into the fire. The heart of The Lord your God is very heavy. The heart of The Lord is enraged, and is very heavy. The sorrow of The Lord is deep and infinite. My people, let it be known to you, I take no pleasure at all in what I must do, in what must be done - NO PLEASURE AT ALL! Says The Lord. As My hand draws back, blood pours down! As I strike the earth in My anger, My tears run down! As famine spreads forth across the land, My heart is rent inside Me over the hardness of men’s hearts! As My face fills with the heat of My fury, My eyes are set ablaze with fire over that which I see! My tears run down, My blood pours down. As My own servants turn from Me and run, as My own beloved, whom I have called sons and daughters, turn and fight against Me, as My own body betrays Me, My blood pours down, My tears run down. As the nations come together and bind My hands and My feet, My tears run down... As they bruise Me and spit in My eyes, While mocking Me, My tears run down... As they pierce My side, My blood and Tears run down together!... As My own people drive in the nails still, I am risen up from My place with My arms Spread apart, waiting to receive them! My blood runs down, the tears run down... OH MY PEOPLE, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME?! Hard generation! Sleeping children! Even My own fall asleep, unable to watch with Me for one hour; their hearts hardened, unwilling to weep with Me in this last hour. Do you not understand My sorrows, little flock? They refuse to be healed! Therefore, I must destroy them!... My blood runs down, and they refuse it! My tears fall like rain upon the nations, yet they will not lift their head, nor do they hold out their tongue to drink it! Where have all My children gone?! They choose death! THEY CHOOSE DEATH! And at the last day, they shall surely receive it; they shall taste of it to the fullest! Therefore do My tears run down; therefore do the rivers run like death through the waste places. Beloved, they heap up death, only to throw themselves upon the heap! Lo, they have made their covenant with death, and with the grave they are in agreement! They burn candles and make sacrifices to other gods; yea, they bow down to them! Behold, they shall be slaughtered and burned together!... The whole field is diseased, every leaf is blighted and withers, every stalk is rotten even to the roots! It must be purged and burned with fire! Therefore do My tears run down; therefore does My sorrow continue on, forever. The wound is incurable! Therefore My love will weep, and My heart will wail, forever. Have you not read My words, little flock? Are your ears yet dull in hearing? Yet My words shall not return void. For the beasts of the earth languish, and the creatures of flight fail to soar, for they know what is coming. Lo, I have nourished and brought forth young children to weep in your places, for you were unwilling. And still the mighty stand proud, and the feeble follow close behind in their example, refusing to bow down, covering themselves in pretense while wearing many disguises, until the face they behold in the mirror has become unrecognizable to them. THEY DO NOT KNOW ME!... My blood runs down, yet I do not know them! My tears run down, yet My own people remain Unclean, hiding always in their deceitful houses!... From the least to the greatest, I tell you, They have surely hated Me!... Therefore I am come down to take My spoil, To purge and to slaughter! Blood and fire! Rivers of blood and pillars of smoke!... This world is condemned, And The Father has declared its end!... I AM COME DOWN![1]... Says The Lord." ~ "3/15/11 From The Lord, Our God and Savior The Word of The Lord Spoken to Timothy For The Lord’s Little Flock, and For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear Thus says The Lord: Little flock, how is it you say within yourselves the way of The Lord is not equal? How is it you feel as though upon this servant I have poured a bounty, yet you remain desolate? Beloved ones, by whose power were you called forth into existence? To whose joy were you created? By whose favor were you born into this world by way of water and blood? Therefore, again I say to you, who you choose is everything. For I do not withhold My love, yet on account of your flesh you do always step backward. Consider the woman who touched My robes and was made whole. Tell Me, how is it that she received and you do not? Was she so highly favored, that she should receive and you should not? Beloved, come close and walk beside Me, for you are indeed highly favored! And all who grab hold of Me shall surely share in all that is Mine. Little flock, My ways are equal, yet the ways of My people remain unequal. For I have indeed poured out My life for you, yet each one must decide how deeply they drink. Do you not see? My blessings are equal for all who receive of My blessings, and My grace sufficient for all who trust in Me. Thus among those who come to Me, one is not favored over another, nor is My love bestowed by measure. Rather it is you who receive by measure, resisting on account of all these deceitful weights, trust which remains altogether lacking. Therefore do not confuse My love with the calling I have purposed for another, nor compare the gifts of the Spirit with The Blessing. For those I have called to serve shall indeed be given gifts, each in accordance with their faith and My will. And those who receive the greater gifts shall also bear the greater burden, even in the heat of the Day. Therefore, again I say to you, The Lord’s ways are indeed equal, Yet the ways of men remain unequal... Yet those who grab hold of their First Love With all their heart, with all their mind, With all their strength and with all their soul, Shall never go hungry, nor shall they thirst anymore; Nor shall the heat of the noonday Sun do them any harm... Yea, even all their tears shall be wiped away In the house of The Lord." trumpetcallofgod.com

[@donaldcoleman514]

you can tell them what ever but according to the bible that would be a lie Roman's 9/13 as it is written for Jacob I have love but easu I have hated as it is written it was written in malachi 1/2 /3 it doesn't matter what man say

[@brianhyde5900]

Quite frankly, God that depends on our belief system to determine whether or not we should be loved by God, is either an invention of the human ego, or has a serious personality disorder.

[@troywright359]

Well, people can come up with arguments against God no matter how He is interpreted.

[@benjamintrevino325]

I'd say it's the former.

[@robotnik77]

The very fact that He is God makes him independent, not dependent - It's we who are dependent.

[@zionred]

is Piper no longer a Calvinist? This is the antithesis if that theology.

[@robotnik77]

Was he ever? He's like a sleeper agent.

[@kevincox1459]

God loves the entire world. But the world does not love him. And because our nature is to not love our creator he chose to open the eyes of some to this magnificent love to make his glory known. Did Christ die for the world,yes. But no one would accept this love unless he first revealed it to them. How would we love our enemies if God didn’t love them as well? How much must it hurt God that his creation won’t accept his love and in turn chooses disobedience over faith in Christ.

[@robotnik77]

God's not "hurt"; he is perfectly happy within himself. His state of being does not depend on us, or what we do. Sure there are some anthropomorphisms in scripture, but they are merely used as an aid to help us understand. Study the doctrine of "impassibility".

[@donaldcoleman514]

where in scripture that it say god love the entire world

[@JonathanGrandt]

Only a Calvinist could be so bold as to totally dismantled the most simple of biblical truths, that God loves you. These Calvinist men destroy everything they touch. They destroy grace.

[@noteuser15]

Jonathan Grandt love doesn’t equate to salvation.

[@robotnik77]

If God loves unbelievers, is he going to weep when he sends them to Hell? If God loves unbelievers, what do they have to worry about? kzbin.info/www/bejne/m2S3l4qvf7Oqetk

[@kevinbarton1661]

2 Corinthians 2:12-17 kicks aaa really lovingly.

[@williammarinelli2363]

Can Piper tell everyone that God loves them? Yes, he can, because he is empowered and liberated by moral relativism. A W Pink was more honest.

[@timothyhaugan2903]

What Piper fails to mention is that in his Calvinistic theology God decides who will believe. There is no free will to believe. This is an error.

[@jenschristiansen9490]

According to the bible, god is mainly full of anger and eager to punish. And then he sent his son on a suicide mission to save ourselves from our sins. This is really weird logic.

[@doctorwebman]

God: I'm going to kill you all if I don't kill myself, and you better bow and worship me for it! Me: Well, if your religion requires you to kill someone, by all means, start with yourself.

[@SoundDoctrineToday]

John Piper is NOT A CALVINIST!!!! HE IS AN ARMENIAN. This sermon is an outrage of ignorance. Piper in this message says that Christ died for everyone... furthermore he teaches that salvation is by Mans Choice! Whoever said that John Piper was a Calvinist? He is not a good teacher of Scripture.

[@williammurray7264]

He walked past the main point of God's Love when he failed to mention that "whosoever believes"... is a condition. If this condition is not met, eternity will be spent in hell. He emphasizes the scope of the offer but misses on the required condition, believing in God...which requires active faith. God's love is clearly conditional. smh

[@gordoncrawley5826]

God so loved the world.... does that mean He loved the ground, the lakes, oceans, mountains, vegetation, etc. No, He loves humanity in the universal sense, because He made all people and the gospel message can now be applied to all people groups. In the context of the age in which this was written, before the new covenant, only the Jews were considered to be God's people, but after Christ died, salvation was then for all the worlds people; Jews and the "Gentiles", which meant anyone, but the Jews. Depending on the context, the word "world" can mean different things, that is why some people are having trouble with this verse. I hope this will be a help.

[@danielclingen34]

Actions speak louder then words John. You talking about love means nothing when you constantly push hatred. If the church stays with you and the way most of you act the church will become obsolete. But you love your pride and traditions more than you love people and by extension Jesus “what you do to the least of these you do to me”. You show that you enjoy pushing people away from Christ.

[@alphaalvey5029]

The exception is the ones who don’t believe, those are the ones he doesn’t love

[@jamesbertram7925]

NEXT VERSE, GOD DID NOT SENT HIS SON INTO THE WORLD TO CONDEMN THE WORLD BUT TO SAVE THE WOULD, JUST READ THE BIBLE

[@robotnik77]

but you must read further. John 3:18 "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God." See, the unbelievers, and by extension, the fallen world, are condemned *already*. Otherwise, why would he come to save?

[@robotnik77]

Heresy. This guy is supposed to be Reformed but he's saying Jesus died for everyone - that makes him, at the very least, an Arminian.

[@elteacher6410]

This wasn't the usual idolatry of John Calvin that characterizes his (and all Calvinists') message. Nice change.

[@benjamintrevino325]

Jesus: (Knocks on door) Me: Who is it? Jesus: It's Jesus. Let me in. Me: Why? Jesus: Because I want to save you. Me: Save me from what? Jesus: From what I'm going to do to you if you don't let me in.

[@robertpeterson4867]

The small print on John Piper's Calvinism: "I love you so much that I have sovereignly predetermined you to never believe in me, just so I can punish you with unquenchable fire for all eternity so I can get a little bit more glory for myself. I am just saying this offer to you so I can look good and magnanimous, but I have no intention of ever fulfilling it."

[@regandanielle]

Accurate. I can’t stand the double speak. Makes me nauseated. I’m sooooo over Calvinism and trying to make myself certain that isn’t what the Bible teaches.

[@AM-6030]

Robert you are right. Calvinism is just utter preconceived nonsense.

[@robotnik77]

That's because what Piper taught in this message is NOT Calvinism. He's a very confused and confusing man. Man fell through his own sin. God did not have to save any, yet he saved some. What's wrong with that? Some sinners will rightly get the justice they deserve. Some will be pulled from the muck to serve God, which is mercy. Did God not say, "I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy..."? It's God's world, not ours.