Can I use kratom responsibly after quitting?

[@yajy4501]

There are exceptions to every rule, but for the vast majority of people who’ve been addicted to it, trying to use it again is a really bad idea. It sucked me back in every time I tried. Never making that mistake again.

[@StrongKeithJ]

Yeah for sure! As strong as I am now, I wouldn’t even want to try it!

[@michaeloehler8298]

Yo brother, I tried 6 grams last night after 60 plus days clean to answer this question. Had a productive day, got a lot done and wanted to relax. Kratom for me was a better option than having a drink or two. Honestly? Wasn’t worth it. Especially after waking up with my sleep being off. I’ve started to appreciate the clear, productive head and the quality sleep. So…you’re not missing anything. I’m staying off it for an indefinite period of time. Edit: the crazy thing is after waking up feeling foggy, I’ve caught myself thinking maybe I should get some kratom to get through the day. So, it can plant seeds in your head.

[@StrongKeithJ]

Yeah brother I hear that. Maybe you needed to do that one more time just so you knew you were done! I’m done for good! 100%. No question.

[@JosephFarrier-c8q]

Alcohol ruins me ile stick with kratom

[@kingofkings7278]

I still have a major kratom problem and dabble in uppers here and there. When I finally take the leap into sobriety best believe I'll be bench watching all of your videos. Your definitely the most candid transparent relatable dude I've came across. Your wife and family should be proud of the man you've become. True leadership and definitely would be the type of person I'd gravitate towards. Good day sir 👍

[@StrongKeithJ]

Thank you very much brother. I know how it is to be in the Kratom hole, so I know you can climb out. I appreciate your words very much. 🙏

[@jimmylarge1148]

……it’s not a problem till u can’t afford/find more…..😂

[@JosephFarrier-c8q]

People do grow change and there chemistry changes with age

[@JosephFarrier-c8q]

Use kratom for work only❤

[@minibuns6220]

Beta carotene helps skin tone

[@StrongKeithJ]

I’ll have to research this. Thank you 🙏

[@Happyvibes1998]

Why weren’t you using other drugs, idk I do a teaspoon at 4am before work, another teaspoon during my break at 9:30am before I lift, then when I finish work I then do kava and weed in the evening around 5:30pm-6pm until a pass out around 8pm lol. Now if you only do kratom then 100% but oh it’s wack to make your only thing kratom lololol, now every once and awhile, I will be extremely feeling and vibing with kratom, on real stressful work days I’ll use 10-20mg but that’s literally like once every couple months. I just don’t understand regardless of what other drugs you be doing why aren’t you always kinda smoking weed on top of that

[@StrongKeithJ]

I had my share of other drugs as a young man. Smoked tons of weed. Coke, alcohol, meth, etc. plenty of drugs. I can’t agree more. Making kratom your only thing is wack! Kind of makes you think, why am I taking kratom at all??? Drugs in general are wack. It takes some people longer to realize that.

[@StrongKeithJ]

Weed is very played out. As less harmful as it is, there is a reason why we’re looking to get high. That’s the question you want to ask yourself. I thought I just wanted to feel good all the time. Then I realized, I must not feel good when I’m sober. Why though? Once I quit kratom, I just went and applied myself more in my life, and I don’t need to use anything. I’m solid on my own. That’s what we want to strive for, being a solid man without using.

[@lucasvarela9632]

4 days off and messud up and took 15 grams. Then 5 days and used. Going for the trophy now im really done with the withdrawl

[@StrongKeithJ]

Hey you’re on the right path! I think that’s awesome! Keep going! 🤜🤛

[@JosephFarrier-c8q]

Alcohol is something that ruined me I take one sip im over with

[@StrongKeithJ]

I agree. Terrible stuff. I messed up and drank on Sunday. Felt horrible and tired the next day. I quit drinking now too. It was never a problem for me in recent years, but I see no benefit.

[@JosephFarrier-c8q]

@@StrongKeithJ it's a risk that's not worth the reward.. control is the best high.... God bless and its awesome the vids you make

[@smithwesson6620]

What up K dawg!! My boi lookin and sounding like a true hombre! 💪 I’m glad you doing these videos,! I watched them all at least 3 times each. My B day on the 23rd this month so I want to give myself a badas,* present and lay off the K for good! I have enough left for 3 more doses and then not buying anymore so tomorrow will be day one for sure! And I’m going to make videos like yours starting tomorrow! Stay up! Keep going 💪

[@StrongKeithJ]

Thank you brother. You got this! Day 1-5 are the hardest. Embrace the struggle. You’ll do great! I look forward to watching the videos!

[@justinhall4157]

How's it going? I'm on day six, and bowels and insomnia left. And fatigue but that's probably from sleeping less than 2hrs a night

[@StrongKeithJ]

What’s up brotha! How are you doing now??

[@ammagansett]

I have been free of kratom for the past 3 months. Then during this Christmas season I thought it would help Me with the blues. Iightning fast re- addiction. For the past week I have been dealing with very scary anxiety. Went to the doctor and I was given gamapentin and now being wiped out with the drowsiness of gamapentin I am praying that this will pass and can I please be normal again. Kratom is too dangerous. Let us all stay away.

[@StrongKeithJ]

I’m praying for you brother. Truly. You are strong! 💪

[@MarioGomez-nd2mx]

Kratom is too dangerous? Can you elaborate?

[@hgaleano96galeano52]

Hey brother. I love and appreciate your videos. You speak with so much wisdom and get to the heart of what’s really happening with this addiction. As someone who’s been hooked on kratom for a little over 2 years you have inspired me a great deal. Happy holidays

[@StrongKeithJ]

Thank you very much brother. I’m not with the fake or excuses at all, I think that’s why people can relate. We all have very similar experiences. I know how it is to be hooked. It was fun at one point, but it got exhausting for me. Happy Holidays! 🤜🤛

[@LiLSizzlerr]

NO

[@StrongKeithJ]

Facts

[@YourMomsBestBoyfriend]

This is something I have tested over time. After I’ve abstained from using for long periods. It’s always been a bad idea in my experience. Even though I do have the self-control to put it back down, even from just one use, I see how it changes me and ultimately makes things much harder for days to weeks, after using just that one time. And that one tjme could be years apart from having any at all. It’s not been worth it in my experience at all. Even though for me personally it didn’t send me into full addiction, it just does something that throws everything off. It’s best in my opinion to just not go down that road. So I think you have the right mentality to just stay the course bro 🤜 My experience anyhow. I feel the same way about exercise/working out too. The only issue with me is I have legit pain issues that hold me back which is how i wound up on kratom in the first place all the years back. But yeah, I still force myself even with pretty severe pain to exercise as much as I can. It’s tough man. But yeah that part is so important, and you know it. I always feel you are on the right track with your videos and i want to support people who are doing this right. Also, it bummed me out when I saw the promo of kratom on Rogan and it’s just obvious to me for most people that is gonna be a bad road ahead.

[@YourMomsBestBoyfriend]

I can also say, the times I went back, I was aware of how I didn’t want it to feel that good and I couldn’t really allow myself to enjoy it as much because my mentality is like no can’t be doing this and can’t enjoy it because I’ll just want to go back. So it’s like I’m just so done with it, and my brain won’t even allow it. And then even that still will kind of draw me back to thinking of wanting it more but I stuck to not doing it because I just already knew what was happening even from that one time and knew I didn’t want to go back to that because of how terrible it gets being stuck in that. So yea that’s some insight into my thought process there.

[@YourMomsBestBoyfriend]

But yeah I would say for most people it’s not even worth experimenting again because you might just fall right back into it. I had to take a lot of energy mentally and be very strong to not go back from just the one time experiments I had often years apart from each other. I was addicted pretty badly prior to that, first time was like decades ago. And wow, I did not know Tom segura was taking it. That makes a lot of sense, because he was on heavy painkillers for a while for his injury. I could tell something was going to happen there. I think it’s likely he’s still got an addiction going with the kratom just transferred from his prescription opioids. Maybe not, but it’s certainly possible. To me it’s like ehh, at some point I don’t know if that’s going to work out. Doesn’t give me a good feeling.

[@StrongKeithJ]

I completely get the thought process. WOW, I didn’t know kratom was in the states decades ago. I discovered it in 2017. Thank you very much for the support. That means a lot. I try to think of my sobriety and really the rest of my life, in the best way to stay solid. A solid man. And it all starts in my head. The way I think about things.

[@ganglestank]

Be careful with how much you exercise. You will regret it when you get old. Pain is unsurprisingly highly correlated to tissue damage

[@Andrew-yc4uy]

I’ve watched so many quitting videos and tried to quit so many times over the past 5 years. For some reason your videos really resonate with me and are helping a lot! Day 5 I hope you’re doing good Keith.

[@StrongKeithJ]

That’s awesome to hear! I’m glad they’re helping. If you’re on Day 5, Kratom is behind you! You’re not done, there’s a lot of work to do, but you’re done brother!

[@gilbertlopez2333]

Go for a run if y’all experience them restless legs!

[@StrongKeithJ]

Never thought of this. Good advice though I’m sure.

[@StrongKeithJ]

My restless legs would destroy me at night for a few hours.

[@gilbertlopez2333]

Oh yeah man, like I doesn’t matter what time, if I can’t sleep cuz I got Kratom legs I’ll get up and just go run it off. Has always helped me, it gets your mind off of it. I recommended getting up and going for a walk or run anytime the withdrawal kicks up.

[@StrongKeithJ]

@@gilbertlopez2333 That’s great advice!

[@gilbertlopez2333]

Tapering down from 20 capsules am 20 capsules pm Down to 13 am and 13 pm. Going down one a week.

[@StrongKeithJ]

You’re doing it bro! 13 weeks from now you’ll be ready to enter the next phase. Keep going!

[@MarioGomez-nd2mx]

I quit Kratom was off for about 5 months then started again. I use Kratom cause it hepls me be more social,( i have social anxiety since I was a kid). Depression ( that comes with social anxiety). For pain ( i have back pains and nerve pain), energy, mood also as harm reduction, ( former benzo, opiate user). I dont regret it one bit im very productive. When I first started using Kratom like 7 years ago i was using it to escape i was in a very dark place in my life now ive been using it responsibly and haven't had cravings for Opiates, alcohol or Benzos. Thanks for youre vid brother!

[@StrongKeithJ]

Thanks for commenting brother! I’m glad you are feeling good! 👍 🤜🤛

[@micclay]

The gym I used to go to sold kratom, along side supplements. I took my last dose this morning. Gonna be a rough week or 2. I'm gonna allow myself to be a lazy POS for three days, then it's time sack up.

[@StrongKeithJ]

That’s crazy they sold kratom. Sacking up is rough. But much needed! You do great bro!

[@robbyjacks667]

I think once we have gone to a daily habit for many years i don't believe its possible to use kratom responsibly after we have been to that place. And after having to rebuild everything back why would you even want to go back to that cycle.

[@StrongKeithJ]

Amen to that! You said it perfectly.

[@BirdieBlrrrd]

I work at a Kratom store and use it here n there. Was addicted for 3 years. Training will power is way more important than saying no to stuff forever imo.

[@StrongKeithJ]

That’s awesome that you were able to quit while working there. And unfortunately will power is what most addicts lack. It definitely takes a lot of will power to make the decision to never use something again. If something has been negative in my life, I’m cutting it out. Not dabbling again.

[@BirdieBlrrrd]

@@StrongKeithJ bro it built so much will power in me staring at it all day. Was not easy 😂 and my store gives it to us free 😬🫤 I also wasn’t jabbing at anyone with that statement. I’m glad you just said fuck it man if I didn’t have a chronic auto immune condition I would to. A few days a month I cry myself to sleep in pain and those days I can’t throw the football, box with the kiddos, throw and catch the ball…so I tell myself it’s ok to use I. Those times. It’s a struggle to not use for fun but I have to learn. I can’t have weeks I can’t dad. Maybe you have a chronic condition as well and if so by all means you are tougher than me :) Thanks for all the vids tho man, they helped when I did quit that 3 or 4 month cold turkey period. And vids like yours help me us more responsibly because when my brain tries to justify yalls words are an external combative force ;)

[@StrongKeithJ]

I have a buddy that works at the shop I used to buy from. They make these very powerful shots too. Like pure extract. Will knock you hard. He recently quit too. But when you’re done, you’re done. I don’t crave that stuff at all. Have you quit for good?

[@StrongKeithJ]

Thanks for your responses man. The longer the response, the better for me tbh. I love it. We automatically have a ton in common. I might have something wrong, who knows. I definitely have chronic pain and aches. With kids it’s hard!

[@BirdieBlrrrd]

@@StrongKeithJ I’m sorry ya suffer and that’s awesome you can brute force the pain. Respect.

[@UhhStarZzRtk]

I went down to tapering at 15gs a day. Went well for a few months and then crept back up to 20 even hit 25 a few bad days. But life is up and down and i knew this wouldnt be easy but im trying to be transparent with the my family and just not going to give up. I think the real problem is i dont know if i wanna quit it forever or just get to a point were i can have self control to use less than 5gs randomly. Looks like i have to figure that out. Thank you for all the videos and support keith.

[@StrongKeithJ]

You definitely have to figure it out. I think the real question is, Why do I feel the need to use something? Or, why do I want to get high? If we start exploring that question, it might take us to places we didn’t want to go or face. But are necessary to go to. Once we make the decision to not only quit using, but to change our identity to Someone That Doesn’t Use, it actually becomes much easier to not use. If that makes any sense. I know I’m just rambling. But thank you very much for watching!

[@gilbertlopez2333]

Currently tapering down. Thanks for your videos

[@StrongKeithJ]

You are so welcome!

[@kylexlittle]

The answer is absolutely not! Haha

[@StrongKeithJ]

Agreed lol. I would never

[@kingofkings7278]

Keith try irish seamoss it has 92 of the 100 minerals the body needs for energy

[@StrongKeithJ]

I have been wanting to try this. I just want to find the best stuff possible before I purchase. I will try for sure! 🤜🤛

[@kingofkings7278]

@@StrongKeithJ A few more honorable mentions regarding health are trs heavy metal detox spray...Restore gut health by ion....Manuka honey...Do your research of course but I'll tell you first Hand they are good health products ..Not long ago I was a health freak and I'm looking to get back to my old self in 2024. Take care.

[@StrongKeithJ]

Awesome. Thanks for the recommendation!

[@justinhall4157]

Day 5, insomnia a bitch, when this shit get better? Last night i got the most sleep like 2-3 hrs, but tonight feeling rough.... When?? 😢 Hey I'm in co springs too, cool

[@StrongKeithJ]

I would think the same at times. When will this be over?? For the love of God!!!! Then I switched my thinking to, It can take as long as it wants, I will never turn back! I got shitty sleep for a couple months months brother. I mean that! I want to say that once my sleeping did get better, I couldn’t sleep longer than 6 hours. And I would wake up a couple times during the night. That was the longest lasting symptom. But after about 3-4 months I noticed I was sleeping about 7 hours. Then one night I slept 8 full hours! It will take time, and just enjoy the sleep you can get. Embrace the time you’re awake. Just know that it gets better every week. You will see progress. We got ourselves into this mess, we just have to get ourselves out. Message me or comment whenever you like bro! 719! 😎 🤜🤛

[@StrongKeithJ]

Sorry to throw so much at you. I know you’re still very early on in this. But my only advice with insomnia would be stay away from caffeine, and stay away from any medication. As best as you can. The caffeine will keep you up at night. I drank like 3 monsters a day, and slept like a baby when I was on kratom. Then when I quit I became hypersensitive. Also, any medication or sleeping pills will mess with your natural sleeping rhythm. You might sleep good the night you take them, but the next night will be intense insomnia. Zero medication is the way. Eat healthy, stay hydrated, take vitamins, and get to the gym ASAP!

[@justinhall4157]

​​@@StrongKeithJyou're good bro I appreciate you replying a lot. And we did do this to ourselves, I've actually withdrawal 2 other times. I did shots for back pain, and each time realized ok bro this too much, both last 2 withdrawals were like 4-5 days total for everything..... This one's lasting lasting, I did shots again for about 4 months, and yeah I learned last time no zzzquil or anything, that doesn't even get me to sleep....I know everyone different and everyone definitely did different stuff. Just hoping only being 4 months this won't be much longer, I'm gonna start running today. Looks like about little over a mile. This withdrawal time I know I'm done done, haven't even had cravings, gotta remember this misery , Hopefully that helps... Appreciate your support and help

[@StrongKeithJ]

@@justinhall4157 I got you bro! 🤜🤛

[@justinhall4157]

@@StrongKeithJ hey you remember how many days till you could sleep now then 1-2 he a time. Think most I got was hr at time, I'm struggling tonight too man I am, losing hope. Not gonna take it again but just losing it, getting nervous

[@JosephFarrier-c8q]

Do u lift heavy or just moderate?? What's a gym workout look like

[@StrongKeithJ]

I do the bro split. Monday chest and tris. Not sure what my max is, I workout with 165 right now. I’m sure I could bench 200 easily once. Tuesday back and biceps. Thursday shoulders. Friday legs. I do about 15-20 minutes of cardio after my workouts.

[@JosephFarrier-c8q]

@@StrongKeithJ that's a solid routine .. my advice if any would be do a bit more heavy for a bit longer of a rest in between sets

[@StrongKeithJ]

@@JosephFarrier-c8q I appreciate the advice

[@JosephFarrier-c8q]

@@StrongKeithJ lol ya bro I can bench 300 r.n and do weighted pullups with 45 pounds for 15 ...20.. I may have failed at most my life.. but I've excelled in fitness you look good and maybe u don't wanna get as jacked as possible but I'm 39 natural and look better now then I did at 29 I was huge at 29 but I look way leaner now im homless on foot in the mountains but I eat sooooo goood bro that's the key always was always is.... I learned in prison as long as u eat drink water lift and find a place to sleep that's all I needed for 10 years.. I was great .... its that simple but u should try to go a lil heavier take at least 3 minutes between sets for a month or two... do bench.. rows. Do latteral raises ..shrugs... triceps extensions hammer curls..... focus all yer strength 💪 into the meat n potatoes of yer sets.. u bench 200 for 1.... here's what ide do.... eat big .. hydrate..... do your light pre workout caffeine is best... bench the bar for 5.... groove in.. I don't warm up I groove in.... then add quarters... do 5 reps... even though u cam do 20 plus don't burn out..... were just setting your nervous system up here.. trust me... do your repps explosive as fast safety as u can .... take off quarters add 35s..... do five repps................ rest......go to 85 percent of yer 1 rep max so about 155 to 170 pounds..... do as many as possible...ide say 8 to 11 give or take. ..... every week just add 5 pounds to said scheme.... in 8 weeks you'll be repping 40 pounds more trust me

[@StrongKeithJ]

Great advice! I’ll keep this in mind.

[@RobLovesHotMoms]

Love you bro!! Day 13 now!! Sober.. p.s. I feel Kava is similar I had a few of those the last few days.. I feel its still distracting.. never again.. taking away from my Growth

[@StrongKeithJ]

Much love brother! You’re killing it! Yeah I never felt anything from kava, never have been interested tbh. Stay strong man! If you’re 13 days in now, you’re there! Keep going!

[@rentcontrold]

No personally never again

[@StrongKeithJ]

Amen to that! Can’t agree more.

[@rentcontrold]

yea man, kicking it cold turkey was a trip, never fucking touching that shit again. I see so many heads in kava bar, talking about sobriety and shit but balls deep into kratom, not judging or telling anyone what to do but its kinda funny@@StrongKeithJ

[@StrongKeithJ]

Yeah I already know bro. Everybody is in their own stage.

[@Monkeyballs88]

Yo Keith what up bro my New Year is going to be getting off kratom I'm going to really try hard this time and I don't think I'd be able to use it again after quitting because I can't do anything responsibley I've been going really hard lately to where its not enjoyable im just over it feeling numbed out all the time

[@mar-c3y]

You smoke it?

[@YourMomsBestBoyfriend]

@@mar-c3yhey just cus he’s the vape legend doesn’t mean he smokes kratom 😂

[@kingofkings7278]

One thing I've noticed after 5years of using Is that sex Is actually enjoyable again. You'll get that interest in sex after only 2 or 3 days of quitting. That's going to be one of the motivational reasons to quit ill factor in when I finally take the leap into sobriety.

[@YourMomsBestBoyfriend]

@@kingofkings7278yeah for sure. That’s pretty typical. Right that is good motivation too. You can do it man. Keith is a good guy to listen to, he’s got it all down. I feel good about his path forward.

[@StrongKeithJ]

I know the feeling all too well. It’s actually good you’re so sick of it. You can use that as fuel when you’re quitting. You got this bro! 🤜🤛