Can Kalam theology help us today? With Dr Ramon Harvey

[@Desi...]

There is no better feeling than to love someone for the sake of Allah 💞💞 from 🇵🇰

[@aslambava7490]

What a fantastic revelation of this profound scholar and thinker. Thank you to the author and to Blogging Theology for introducing this wonderful person Matiridi and his ideas. Wow - just mind blowing, in the sense that this thought paradigm existed. A wonderful exploration.

[@aydin167]

Two of Maturid's brilliant works: Kitab al-Tawhid ('Book of Monotheism') and 17 volume Ta'wilat Ahl al-Sunnah or Ta'wilat al-Qur'an ('Book of the Interpretations of the Quran').

[@zakyzayn5361]

Kitab al tawhid is available in pdf format

[@aslambava7490]

Thank you to the author and to Blogging Theology (Paul) for introducing us to this most wonderful thought paradigm introduced or expounded upon by Matiridi. Mindblowingly interesting. 🇿🇦

[@mouradali8270]

Paul we need you to record AudioBooks reading terse Academic/Kalam Books .. I would certainly listen.

[@shzi9090]

Excellent, just came to know that over here in Pakistan we use maturidi theology So this should be interesting. P.s not saying all of us follow this but could be majority.

[@billionbarze427]

One thing about Paul. He always lets his guests speak fully and rarely interrupts for clarifications

[@irfanahmed6411]

Dear brother Paul Allah bless you you are doing great work on this planet and we love ❤

[@MR-dm1gx]

We excepted the free will, with that came the evel. It had to be so. So deep and incredibly challenging views. Thank you for bringing this Incradable person to light.

[@muhammadbenjuraij7734]

As an Athari I would of course not agree with kalam in Aqeedah however outside of it I think it’s very beneficial! Not withstanding this I accept the Asharis and Matureedis as part of Ahlus Sunnah and I do not accept sectarianism. When you understand how these two schools came about it’s easy to understand the importance of their work against the mu’tazilah…

[@nadirkhan7353]

thank you for not being a thick skinned athari

[@ahmd5]

المعتزلة أنكروا الصفات كلها ولكن الأشاعرة أنكروها كلها ماعدا سبعة. ففي الحقيقة الفرق بينهما ضىيل. لهم نفس الأصول الفلسفية التي تنكر الصفات وتبتعد عن السنة. There is not much difference between the two. Almu'tazela denied all of Allah's attributes but Ash'aries denied all but seven of Allah's attributes. both schools have philosophy basis that stray away from the Sunnah

[@dinomar7818]

@@ahmd5 Where did the Ash'aris ever deny any attributes? Show proof.

[@Toronado2]

​ @ahmd5 Actually you are wrong. Ashari's only deny the resemblance of some attributes to the Anthropomorphic explanation of the Salafis. And I am Maturidi in my Aqida, which has pretty much the same view.

[@aaquib2010]

@muhammad Benjurain, Can you briefly explain Athari, Ashari, Maturudi and Mutazila. I dont seem to understand it

[@iyepmamun2315]

It's such a great conversation.

[@durdonabakhtiyor2534]

Assalamu alaikum from Uzbekistan, thank you a lot for sharing it with us, we Uzbeks still follow teachings of imam Maturudiy. 🇺🇿🇺🇿🇺🇿❤

[@BloggingTheology]

Wa alaykumu s-salam

[@zakyzayn5361]

Atabek

[@taufeeqshakur9262]

Thanks..from malaysia.. it's call "sifat 20" or 20 attributes of God here, a compulsory tauheed subject to learn to understand aqeedah in Islam.. It's combination of ashaari and maturidi school..

[@ahlussunnahahlussunnah3697]

Dear Sir there are Eight Essential Attributes Of God and many Active and Relative Attributes Of God. The basic difference between Essential , Active and Relative is as follow. The opposite of Essential are not in Divine Omnipotence. Like the opposite of Omnipotence itself i.e Weakness. The Opposite of Active is in Divine a omnipotence but never exercise by God. Opposites of Relative are in Omnipotence and are exercised. But Salafites consider all as Essential. The Essential Attributes of God are:- 1) Life, 2) Omniscience ,3) Omnipotence,4) Omni-Sight 5) Omni- Listening , 6) Omni-Will, 7. ) Esoteric Speech ( Not Exoteric Speech which is Active) 8( Takween Elders of Asharism deny Takween but latter accepted it and borrowed from Matiridiah. Existence is not the an Attribute but the very Essence. The philosophical minded Ahlussunnah Deoband consider these Essential Attributes as Identical to Essence , and Not Philosophical kinded Ahlussunnah Deoband consider them as ‘ Neither Identical to Essence Of God nor Separate from the Essence Of God.

[@momonasri8611]

Brother Paul and his tea passion 😂😂😂most of his videos I watched at end he says cup of tea☕️

[@jaed123]

Yet another fantastic discussion and video by Br. Paul

[@islamadam8502]

Some Sunni people say things like: "What's the use of Kalam?", "Kalam isn't from Islam." etc until they start debating with non-Muslims or non-Sunnis who don't believe in all or some of their textual resources, and sooner or later these Sunnis resort to Logic, analysis of arguments, and non-textual information from science and philosophy to try proving their creeds to their debaters, which is what Kalam actually is!

[@ramialhamad8768]

Exactly and that’s the extent with which ibn taymia used kalam for .. but to try to understand our own religion through kalam though that’s where you get off track

[@sanmarcuzo2099]

What??i thought kalam was proposed by a muslim..

[@ramialhamad8768]

@@sanmarcuzo2099 elm alkalam ie “kalam” is the translation Muslim scholars gave to theology

[@islamadam8502]

Kalam is the product of a huge number of Muslim scholars trying to rationalise Islam, from the earliest ages Muslims were aware of the fact that non-Muslims don't believe in the authenticity of their holy scriptures, thus it was useless to tell them that they should embrace Islam because Quran and Sunnah say so, and they needed a common base between them and their debaters and that was rationality, nowadays any student of Islam who doesn't know Kalam has a big blind spot in his knowledge of Islamic scholarship and legacy.

[@ramialhamad8768]

@@yosefdaqqa9458 that’s not true jadal means to argue and every single truth in existence has a solid argument which proves it that isn’t what kalam theology means or else we all have already been taught kalam .. but see this argument is extremely expected by anyone who is into kalam because kalam is all about using words to make anything absolutely ANYTHING mean anything.. and that right there is where the evil of this topic lies

[@koroglurustem1722]

Brother Paul, thank you for introducing and having stimulating discussion with the brilliant scholar. Since you mentioned that you're going to join the symposium in July, why don't you organize some interviews on the spot with some of the great names that will join the event? That would be a beautiful collaboration with Blogging Theology and the Kalam Symposium, a somewhat new venture.

[@BloggingTheology]

Yes it's a good idea! We shall see..

[@عبدالله-ن6ه2ص]

@@BloggingTheology My brother Paul, it is very important to host Sheikh Abd al-Rahman al-Dimashqiah to talk about eilm alkalam and the reasons for the Salafis’ opposition to this new thought from the Qur’an and Sunnah. Why Ilm Al-Kalam is the Incorrect Approach in Aqeedah | Shaykh Uthman ibn Farooq Aqeedah 30 Ilm-ul-Kalam kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4uXenSwqNaoj7c

[@GalaxyS233]

Nowadays, a scholar specializing in kalam is sheikh Saeed Fodeh.

[@ramialhamad8768]

Fooda specialized in” kalam fathi “, a scholar specialized in kalam is shiek Abdullah Alejairi

[@ameenmakanvand868]

These talks continue to get me through daily struggles. I can't express how much I appreciate your work.

[@thairinkhudr4259]

May Allah make it easy for you brother. He is always with the sabar. Because with hardship comes ease. With hardship comes ease.

[@roshanburgai3902]

Great conversation.

[@godthecreatoryhvh681]

Just to adjust a little thing. I took off the singularity, chaos at the big Bang, now I stop the expention to be able to put a perpetual mouvement, like this I still let say have a pseudoinfinity but it will be a bit complex right now but I talked about this before. Now it's on construction. The symmetry of those type of little big bang, it looks like a scalene triangle, when the pike is higher is touching the other pike of the same triangle but is base go down. When is down ready to through some energy. Some things like that. Basically a infinite perpetual mouvement. Without the infinite. I will explain way better my friend. Great theology show very professional, really appreciate My 2 good friend from your friend Philippe

[@chuckhillier4153]

I so enjoy the intellectual exercises brought forward here. My personal take is different. Science has proven: Energy is mass and mass is energy. Time is relative and is experienced, compressed or extended, relative to all other experienced time. In such a universe, eternity (past and future) seems more likely than not, to me. God must exist outside of space and time and must be devoid of mass and energy. And so, must exist all at once, or never.

[@godthecreatoryhvh681]

Hi Chuck, no, I am on earth, why you don't believe me I am a man of my words. I say I am here that means I am here.right. please no fear chat with me. Call me Phil ok. Let's try like that we will met. For the first time on earth. I believe it's great idea Chuck. Don't you? 😎

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

Hey Chuck.... I like your observations about God. Thanks

[@zakyzayn5361]

Interesting thought

[@johnbrzykcy3076]

"... it may propel believers to greater heights of reflection, along the lines expressed in the Christian tradition as 'faith seeking understanding." Hey Paul... I like that idea. Saint Anselm was a Benedictine monk who said: " I do not seek to understand so that I may believe, but I believe so that I may understand." Very interesting. So many people want to understand God in order to have faith, but maybe the theological method of "faith seeking understanding" is a reasonable approach. What do you think?

[@richardbradley1532]

Have listened to the the first half hour or so. Interesting up to now.

[@homtanks7259]

JazakAllahu khairan

[@تاودهبحثونه-ش6ز]

I were be the first who said to his local imam of masjid, that the nonmuslim who reverted is more passionate and courageous daai than the one who is born in islamic family and regret it , and now 🤔 i was 👍▶️. Thank you 🙏 sir .🎉

[@shahnawaznasir6681]

Love u brother from India

[@mrstrangersworld]

Mr Paul, ur videos are treasures of Islam. 👍👍👍

[@alvirarahman1559]

Ah, the land of book readers.

[@aslambava7490]

Thank you.

[@عبدوفايز-ب3ز]

Abu Mansour al maturidi related to Abu ayob alansari a sahabi of the prophet (pbuh ) and borned in maturid in samargand

[@irshadmohammed6539]

Thank you Paul for asking penetrating and common sense questions.

[@alexandriat5929]

Thank you so much for this talk. I have looked at real evil as a absence of the divine nature. The natural state is divine I suspect.

[@UnderBaseBeatz]

Really enjoyed this, thank you sirs 😊

[@KT-ht2xj]

Brother, why don't you add timelines in your video??

[@griveouswithhislightsabers3665]

I higly suggest people who read this comment to avoid coments for your mentality.

[@GharibBFulan]

"Neither god nor other than Him." When did Islam become so confusing😵?

[@kingufc2446]

Is he your brother or cousin? You both look similar

[@BloggingTheology]

we are both sons of Adam.

[@kingufc2446]

@@BloggingTheology Masha Allah, What an epic reply. Allah has indeed blessed you with wisdom.

[@Gog3453]

Know the minhaj (Islam Iman and Ihsan) of the Salaf. So that you may know Quran Sunnah Ijma and Qiyas

[@adejaya1692]

I believe Paul is actually a Muslim scholar. He reads a lot of Islamic books and learns Islam from Muslims as well.

[@mohamudahmed6554]

That is not what makes a Aalim nor does Paul claim to be one.

[@yourstruly5706]

Imam Maturdhi is a brilliant genius, the Imam of the Ahnaf.

[@muhammadbenjuraij7734]

Salams Paul. I wonder if you could invite him again to discuss extremism in his school and what his view is regarding other schools because I’m currently being attacked in your comments section by a quite extreme Matureedi:) Alhamdulillah I’ve kept complete control of my self but the fairer I am the harsher he gets:) I think this extremism is a cancer that we must wipe out through education inshallah do you agree Paul?

[@iswallbanoo9843]

Salaam only one God and it's Allah SWT love here from South Africa Johannesburg pray 5 times a day

[@godthecreatoryhvh681]

Shalom Iswall. How are you doing my brother. Tell me. Yes my friend I want to know if you are okay, or better than ever. You know something like that. Okay my friend

[@shahidsardar1058]

I had no other way to contact you but through here. Sheikh Imran Hosein is in UK these days. Do you plan to make a video with him? Remote or in person? As your channel is about theology. I am very keen to listen to him about Theology only subject.

[@Ashleii]

Did you see his interview with UK Column News? It was the most unlikely combination. The uk column news guys are absolutely brilliant but I had no idea they knew Sheikh I think he’s too controversial for here

[@az-wr1lb]

// @a z Ancient Jews also believed in some kind of distinction in God (not exactly the Trinity). The Targums make a distinction between God and the Word of God. Apocrypha such as 1 Enoch give an indication that the idea of a divine, pre-existing Messiah was not alien to Jews. // kalam?

[@als1438]

Paul thank you for another good and educative video/interview. I would have small request for you: Could You please make an interview with Dr. Mukhtar Ali I think He is on University of Chicago or somewhere else in the US. He is an expert for Islamic Esotericism/Mysticism/ Gnosticism I've watched already some videos and its quite mind blowing. So please if you can make a contact with him and choose a certain topic(s) it would be great. May Allah bless you.

[@talhaahsanlondon]

IHRC Bookshop aim to host him for an author's evening in August.

[@als1438]

@@talhaahsanlondon can it be found on KZbin or somewhere online?

[@talhaahsanlondon]

@@als1438 IHRC bookshop livestream their author's evenings. Details will be released closer to time.

[@als1438]

@@talhaahsanlondon thank you

[@DAWAHTIME1]

Everything in this universe is an Ayah evidence of the Creator. but that does not necessitate itself as evidence. Last Ayah of Sura Qaf is enough "remind by the Quran whoever fears MY threat". Start to finish Prophets AS reminded people . DID THEY NEED TO USE KALAM?? or Did they?

[@GalaxyS233]

«Kalam has never been more relevant then today». © Sh. Saeed Fodeh

[@thrallingFRglory]

I am only halfway through but I couldn’t hold myself from commenting. I understand(I could be wrong) that you are more partial to the Athari School. So my genuine thanks for highlighting a school that is often clubbed together with the Asharis and is forgotten. It’s a pity that the Ahnaf of today borrow very little from the Theology of the Al Maturidi. Take a peak into the classes of Deoband or any other seminary in the subcontinent and you will see how far they have fallen.

[@bee2notbee]

Aren't they maturidis

[@huntsman2877]

Hope you come back to the right path and pray to Allah to forgive imam maturidi

[@zakyzayn5361]

@@huntsman2877 that's dumb

[@ninaaden8338]

@@huntsman2877 stop drinking the madkhali najdi koolaid by chatting such nonsense. You're a layman for goodness sake. These complex aqeeda concepts are beyond your depth.

[@huntsman2877]

@@zakyzayn5361 dumb is when you say my creed is based on maturidi understanding instead of saying its based on sahaba's understanding

[@engraneelmanan-civil4392]

Can someone help me with downloading the PDF version of the this book?

[@kalijasin]

I asked the exact same thing Paul did I was just a bit more detailed is all. So why is my question being labeled "quranist propaganda" but Not Paul's blogging theology? #doublestandard

[@jasonvoorhees8899]

Where are you Assadullah ?

[@yourstruly5706]

It isn't God, yet isn't independent of God. It means not the dhaat (essence), but not independent of it.

[@baly7764]

Paul plz invite shaykh Asrar Rashid on blogging theology as he has a more in depth classic stand on the Ashari Athari creed

[@godthecreatoryhvh681]

Just one thing. About the one claim is God, it's blasphemy. Look like I said we will go through the hole think. And let go about this type of religious talk, punish, burning Satan, sin, Payan bla, bla bla. When I will tell about the way it is, many of you will have a hard time finding your ground. Listen no one will win regarding religious think. Let that go and I already figure something to help deprogramming because many of you will have hard time and I will not no one about this go down alone. We will help each other about religious subject. Let's take IT easy.okay love you all 😎

[@عبدالله-ن6ه2ص]

Sheikh Abdul Rahman Al-Dimashqiah is one of the best answers to this question

[@somahmed123]

The mujassim. Plzzzz

[@salahaddeen1269]

NO , Not the anthromorphist

[@Abdullah-wd6vn]

Is Kalam from Quran or sunnah if not it is irrelevant

[@karimb972]

Fiqh is from Quran and Sunnah? Mathematics? Come on, brother

[@Abdullah-wd6vn]

@@karimb972 then it’s irrelevant nothing to do with Islam.Islam is to fit in society not society to fit Islam

[@izharcohen4572]

@@Abdullah-wd6vn kalam is part of islamic knowledge

[@Abdullah-wd6vn]

@@izharcohen4572 and how is Kalaam part of Islamic knowledge can you elaborate please thanks

[@dakyion]

@@Abdullah-wd6vn Kalam is the tool to prove and defend the true Islamic theology using logical deduction and arguments Defending Islam is from Islam in one sense!

[@kalijasin]

The Qur’an explains everything So why do we need kalam, tawil, madhhab, aqa'id, hadeeth, falsafa, etc.??

[@Toronado2]

Jason C. That's like asking , Why do we need to use our mind. YOU don't have to but for the rest of us, we at least try to use what Allah has gifted us with.

[@Toronado2]

@@kalijasin What Did you use to understand the Verse?

[@ezzwizz5219]

To me as long it doesn't contradict what that already clear in Al-Quran and Sunnah then it OK....it matter of difference understanding and interpretation

[@Toronado2]

​ @Jason C. Quran 21:30 أَوَلَمْ يَرَ ٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوٓا۟ أَنَّ ٱلسَّمَـٰوَٰتِ وَٱلْأَرْضَ كَانَتَا رَتْقًۭا فَفَتَقْنَـٰهُمَا ۖ وَجَعَلْنَا مِنَ ٱلْمَآءِ كُلَّ شَىْءٍ حَىٍّ ۖ أَفَلَا يُؤْمِنُونَ ٣٠ Do the disbelievers not realize that the heavens and earth were ˹once˺ one mass then We split them apart?1 And We created from water every living thing. Will they not then believe? Do you SEE this Verse? Allah AwJ is specifically directing this question to the Non Believers. What do YOU think a Non Believer will use to understand this Verse? Do you think Allah will not allow them to use their understanding of Kalam and Tawil and Falsafa? Here is other questions for you. How did the Prophet, Sahaba and the Salaf understand this Verse? And How do YOU understand the Verse? And how will a Scientist understand the Verse? Do you think that understanding this Ayah as the modern day Big Bang Theory is possible? If not why? And do you think that in the future that this Verse may take on other understandings? I really would like to see your view on the subject.

[@Toronado2]

​@@kalijasin Quran 21:30 أَوَلَمْ يَرَ ٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوٓا۟ أَنَّ ٱلسَّمَـٰوَٰتِ وَٱلْأَرْضَ كَانَتَا رَتْقًۭا فَفَتَقْنَـٰهُمَا ۖ وَجَعَلْنَا مِنَ ٱلْمَآءِ كُلَّ شَىْءٍ حَىٍّ ۖ أَفَلَا يُؤْمِنُونَ ٣٠ Do the disbelievers not realize that the heavens and earth were ˹once˺ one mass then We split them apart?1 And We created from water every living thing. Will they not then believe? Do you SEE this Verse? Allah AwJ is specifically directing this question to the Non Believers. What do YOU think a Non Believer will use to understand this Verse? Do you think Allah will not allow them to use their understanding of Kalam and Tawil and Falsafa? Here is other questions for you. How did the Prophet, Sahaba and the Salaf understand this Verse? And How do YOU understand the Verse? And how will a Scientist understand the Verse? And do you think that this Verse pertains to the Big Bang Theory? If not why? And do you think that in the future that this Verse may take on other understandings?

[@AR21]

Just curious. Is Mr. Paul Muslim? Does any one know?

[@merlinx8703]

Yes Paul is Muslim

[@latusalihyasalim4872]

kalam wasn’t the best thing that came into our religion.

[@ready1fire1aim1]

Gnosis (Knowledge): Joshua✡ and Jesus✝️ (Scepter and Star ☪️), First and Second Messiah. IHSOUS and IHSOUS XRISTOS. Yehoshu'a and Yeshua. Yehoshu'a with YHWH. Yeshua with Yesh (Atzmus). Joshua Son of Nun and Jesus Son of the Father of All. [... = Greek] (1) [Just as] that (IHSOUS), not Moses, conducted the people into the holy land, and that (IHSOUS) apportioned it to those who came in with him; so also IHSOUS XRISTOS will reassemble the diaspora and will allot the good land to each, but not in the same way! ... (2) [Just as] that (IHSOUS) stayed the sun ..., so (IHSOUS XRISTOS) is he from whom [A)F' OU(] and through whom the father is about to make both heaven and earth new, he is the one who will shine in Jerusalem an everlasting light, he is the King of Salem after the order of Melchizedek and the eternal priest of the most high. (3) [Just as] that (IHSOUS) is said to have circumcised the people a second circumcision with stony knives [so IHSOUS XRISTOS by his words circumcised us from idols of stone, etc.]. ... And now I say that, just as by the name of IHSOUS (given) to the son of Naue, certain miracles and mighty deeds were done which heralded/proclaimed beforehand the things about to be done by our Lord, so also I come now to show that the revelation concerning the priest IHSOUS who was in Babylon among your people was a proclaiming/heralding beforehand of the things about to be done by our priest and God and XRISTOS, son of the father of All.

[@Khaledf]

Those who label Ash'ari and Maturīdi as Sunni, they have to label Mu'tazilites as Sunni as well if they want to be consistent. What's the real difference. Salaf made harsh statements against _aqeedah_ of these schools.

[@dakyion]

Mu'tazila named themselves Ahl Tawheed wal Adl The difference is their understanding of meaning of Kalamu-Allah , the reality of the actions of creatures, and the distinction of attributes of God

[@Syed_12]

( Do Christians And Jews and "OTHER" non-Muslims go to Heaven? ) Quran 2:62 '' Those who believe (in the Quran) and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures) and the Christians and the Sabians->ANYAllah< Is The Protector Of Monasteries, Churches, Synagogues And The Mosques ) Quran 22:40 [They are] those who have been evicted from their homes without right - only because they say, " Our Lord is God " And were it not that God checks the people, some by means of others, there would have been demolished monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of God is much mentioned. And God will surely support those who support Him. Indeed, God is Powerful and Exalted in Might. Note: Why did Allah protected Churches and Synagogues if they worship false Allah ? ( Why Are There So Many Different Religions In The World ? ) Quran 5 48 ''...... If God wanted He could have made all of you a single nation.( ie single religion ) But He willed otherwise in order to test you in what He has given you (ie Scriptures) therefore try to excel one another in good deeds. Ultimately you all shall return to God then He will show you the truth of those matters in which you '' >DISPUTE verb < not noun like other religions Islam mean "submission" to God ( The above verse saying is that God will not accept a religion from the >MUSLIM< and the Non-Muslims but total "submission" to God ) Question: How Can Muslim And the Non-Muslim "submit" to the God? Answer: Be kind to other human beings and Do not lie, Do not steal, Do not cheat, Do not hurt others, Do not be prideful and Do the charity work. Note: If you obeyed all the ABOVE Allah-God's moral laws "YOU" submitted to God.( ie Islam mean "submission" to God ) The only people who will enter Paradise those who '' Submitted to God '' ( ie by good deeds ) God does NOT accept your religion of birth but only ''Your Total'' Submission to Him. ( God Allows Interfaith Marriages And Eat Food From the Christian And Jew And Vice Versa ) Quran 5:5 ''This day [all] good foods have been made lawful, and the food of those who were given the Scripture (ie Christian and Jew) is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them. And [lawful in marriage are] chaste women from among the believers (ie Muslim ) and chaste women from among those who were given the Scripture (ie Christian and Jew) before you, when you have given them their due compensation, desiring chastity not unlawful sexual intercourse or taking [secret] lovers. And whoever denies the faith - his work has become worthless and he in the Hereafter will be among the losers.'' Note: > Only < Islam allows interfaith marriages (>14 hundredsSame God< but They are >ALL Corrupt< more or less, some more than others from their original foundational teaching. The older religion are MORE corrupted than newer religion. Question to Muslim and Christian: Does God / Allah only answer your pray ? And God / Allah does not answer non Muslim / non Christian pray? Did Allah '' Canceled '' all other religions Judaism and Christianity? Quran 5:48 '' And We have revealed to you [O Muhammad] the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture ( ie New and old Testament ) and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. >>>TO EACH OF YOU WE PRESCRIBED A LAW AND A METHODone nation>differ qualified < for to enter Paradise ) On the day of judgement God will ''NOT'' judge humanity bases on Sunni Muslim sect VS Shia Muslim sect ''NOR'' by Muslim VS non-Muslim >but< Doer of Goods VS Doer of Evils. '' YOUR " birth in the Muslim's family is NOT a > qualification < for to enter the Paradise. '' YOUR " religion / sect / foot long beard is NOT a > qualification < for to enter the Paradise. The > qualification < to enter Paradise is > Faith in God and Good Work

[@djamalInfo]

👍👍👍

[@ZzeezZ78]

You expect people to read this?

[@djamalInfo]

@@ZzeezZ78 I did read it

[@quinnad2638]

Not gonna act like i understand much lol

[@YameroSama]

Brother Paul the Aqeedah is very important and the maturidis are not following the Aqeedah of Ahlul sunna wa jamaat, we need to follow our prophet and the salaf.

[@karimb972]

Asharis and Maturidis are the majority of Muslim Ulama. The jamaat means the majority. We are the majority. We are the ahlu sunna wa jamaa. You are the minority, you are the sect.

[@YameroSama]

@@karimb972 you are a lier if you say the majority are asharis or maturidis, the majority dont even know what aqeedah means, and fear Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala.

[@izharcohen4572]

The four three madhab follow ashari and maturidi, it means majority muslim

[@karimb972]

@@YameroSama I fear Allah and I don't lie. I follow our righteous ulama. It's a fact that we are a majority in all Muslim countries now and in the past. You should fear Allah and you should diversify your sources of information and knowledge. And should think twice before calling someone a liar. Salam aleykoum

[@MohammedAlSharif2002]

Imam Al-Shafi’i (d. 204H) said, “My ruling regarding the people of Kalam is that they should be beaten with palm leaves and shoes and be paraded amongst the kinsfolk and the tribes with it being announced, ‘This is the reward of the one who abandons the Book and the Sunnah and turns to Kalam.” Sharh Al-Aqeedah al-Tahaawiyyah of lbn Abil-’Izz, p. 75.

[@hassantahir209]

What is the sanad for this?

[@khamarulghazali7275]

What does kalam means by the way. And what does it comprise? Maybe elucidate in simple words. Im sorry but im unfamiliar with this word or even this topic. Thank you😊

[@MohammedAlSharif2002]

@@hassantahir209 I don’t remember seeing a Sanad for it but great scholars of Hadith have quoted it, like Al-Imam Al-Dhahabi.

[@MohammedAlSharif2002]

@@khamarulghazali7275 Kalam is using philosophy to establish islamic beliefs.

[@Abu_Musa_Al-Ashari]

You misunderstood the meaning of hadith, Al-shafi'i was talking about the kalam that is used by philosophers not the kalam used by muslim today, abo hanifa used the same kalam we use today to prove our beliefs, don't cut the context out before you understand what was he talking about

[@huntsman2877]

Sunni scholars have used kalam to refute kalam sects and arguments such as mutazilah and khawarij.... On the other hand, deviated sects used it to understand Islam and aqeedah. And that's the difference, and that's the reason why kalam people get lost in following the right path.

[@zakyzayn5361]

Then why did prophet gave rational evidence to Bedouin Athiest to establish his iman in Allah

[@huntsman2877]

@@zakyzayn5361 rational is good... Philosophy is bad and haram Cheers

[@HD13POWER]

Interestingly, Arabs who know Arabic didn't accept Maturidi's approach and said since God described Himself (Unseen Thing) in His own Book then we can't approve or disprove an unseen thing unless He Himself mention it. Otherwise, we stop. Maturidi and also Ash'ari Schools insist that God has no eyes, has no voice, impossible to establish Himself on the throne or move. All these denial statement on an unseen object is based on a Non-Textual Evidence but based on a limited human mind which may varies from a human to another. The best rational Kalamist is Ibn Taymiyyah (RA) since he couldn't jump into an unseen topices using his mind and used reason to obey Quran and Sunnah through authenticating the source of delivering the Quranic/Sunnah reprorts. Unfortunately, Maturidi and Ash'ari are using Circular Reasoning for example if the Prophet said something incorrect (i.e. He was a false prophet) and his report was authentically delivered to us. Then Maturidis will reject the report to defend their religion while Salafist will say this is our religion's source as is. So, Non-Muslims can rely on Salafist unbiased delivery while not rely on Maturidism or Ash'arites because they make the Prophet and his sources of his religion in the shape of what they like not what was actually pronounced by him. This is important methodology to decide if he was an authentic prophet from God or not. If you accept what he says due to your mind then you just try to hide his mistakes in the opinion of Non-Muslims which is true and this is called Circular Reasoning while if you truly think he is a prophet from God then deliver what he says regardless of what you think about what he says and in this way we preserve the message for future generations as an intact (not indulging our minds). Hopefully I made it clear for this dispute.

[@HD13POWER]

22:06 He said I think it's better not to go beyond these limits i.e. Not reach the Mo'tazili view. The question now comes. Who decides which is the limit and not the limit? Salafist said due to Islam being imported from Prophet Muhammad then anything unseen not proved nor denied should not be proved or denied and stop with what Prophet Muhammad said because the message was from him. Maturidis say we can go further without an authorization pass ticket because we are raised to follow what Maturidi decided to be a limit. Maturidi is not an authorized person to decide the limits.

[@zakyzayn5361]

Ibn Taymiyyahxvu was infamous for anthropomorphist ideas, which he was instrumental in propagating. His doctrine was not accepted by orthodox Muslims, namely the followers of the Ashari and Maturidi schools. Nor was he accepted by his contemporaries. He exasperated the disagreement between him and orthodox Sunnis by attributing a literal upward direction to God x™ and his flagrant expressions of anthropomorphism, such as when he once relayed a hadith regarding the ‘descent’ of God while standing on the pulpit and climbing down two steps in order to demonstrate that the ‘descent of God’ was "Just like the descent of mine”.™' In his books ‘al-Aqeedah al-Hamamyya’, (al-Aqeedah al- Wasitiyya and ‘Majmoo a 11 'ataivd (amongst many others), he attributed a literal hand, foot, shin and face to God, and argued that God physically established himself on the throne (something which Imam Maturidi spends a huge amount of time in the present volume debunking - so again, I would invite readers to question why orientations claiming to be ‘orthodox’ and ‘Sunni’ and harsh towards ideological ‘deviants’, would nonetheless be so enthusiastic about including an individual who went against such a fundamental tenet of Sunni, and indeed Sh’ite, creed. It is again, like an alleged Catholic advocating for Martin Luther while claiming he is a senior Catholic authority). He also applied spatial confinement and divisibility to God, claiming that if God is not divisible, then He cannot exist, and nor can He exist if He is not in a physical space. He narrated embarrassingly anthropomorphic hadiths such as from Qutada via Ikrima that the Prophet said; ‘I saw my God in the image of beardless (man), with long curly hair in a green garden. xx These are just some examples, which could (and have) been multiplied at great length. xx - Ibn Taymiyyah was a follower of one of the four Sunni schools of Fiqh (jurisprudence), namely Hanbalism. Therefore, it is claimed by many Salaflsts that they adhere to the rulings of Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal (d. 241/855). Despite this, there are divergent scholars with differing ideologies who also claim to follow Ahmad bin Hanbal, such as Ibn Qudamah al-Maqdisi (d. 620/1223), and even though they differ with Ibn Taymiyyah, they still held some anthropomorphic ideas, such as in the case of their doctrine regarding the physical Quran being uncreated. XVIII Al-Subki, Taj al-Din, Tabaqat al-Shaft'iyya al-Kubra. (Al-Matba’a al-Husayniyya, Cairo), Vol 9, p. 61 xlx Al-Asqalani, Ibn Hajar. Al-Dttrar al-Kamina Fi A ’yan al-Mi’a at-Tamina, (Cairo 2008), p. 154 xx Ibn Taymiyyah, Taqi ad-Din Ahmad, Bayan Talbis al-Jahmiyyah, (Dar al-Uthmani. Makkah, Matba’ah Al-Hukuumah 1972), vol 7, p. 290 Bro can you explain does these beliefs shaykh al islam (hanabila) sounds rational, one thing I'm partially beardless and have curly hairs .

[@zakyzayn5361]

Btw do you know we can reject sahih kahar al ahad hadiths

[@HD13POWER]

@@zakyzayn5361 I made it clear the dispute as follows: 1- Willingness of Maturidis and Ash'arites to reject what the prophet actually said. Let's assume a human being came and said "may I diagnose the claims of prophethood of this man?". You would say "Muhammad is Error-Free and had No Mistakes" while you rejected all his Sahih Authentic orally given by him that doesn't fit into the mind. This is called Circular Reasoning and Dishonesty to the public. Traditionalists say the Prophet is a real Prophet and whatever he actually said we believe in it. 2- The Thinking that there should be a limit of God's attributes as mentioned in 22:06 is determined by whom? Why not go further and obtain the Mo'tazili view which both Mu'tazila and Maturidi's use the same foundation except Maturidis decided that there should be a limit (from their own head). There is no in Quran to say there should be a limit according to the Maturidi's limit set by them. So, it's a made-up opinion and rule to be followed without letting the prophet. Who has the authority to set which one is a limit and which one is not a limit? Mo'tazili would be annoyed that a normal human being (Maturidis/Ash'arites) comes and tells them this is too far you should go back a little more according to our own subjective limits.

[@HD13POWER]

@XER-Islam Sunnah Hadiths from Persia (Sahih Muslim / Tirmidi) and Bukhara (Sahih Bukhari). I meant Arabs who live in Arabia nowads such as Makkah and The City of the Prophet ﷺ. Muslim Arabs who have Ash'arites Creed cannot declare it outloud (uses Taqiyyah). Both Ash'arites and Maturidis uses an identical Creed in Allah's Part with Shiasm Creed. Also, I made the dispute clear with two things. 1- Who has the authority to set limits on Allah's Attributes not to reach the Mu'tazila level? 2- If you reject Authentic Hadiths due to not your own mind accepting it then you will be portrayed to Non-Muslims as a dishonest historian who fake the authentic character of the Prophet ﷺ to make it look better. Yes you made it look better but it's a fake historical confirmation (Circular Reasoning / Biased History) which makes the whole Islamic Message questionable.

[@self-esteem9194]

Kalam is a Greek philosophy is not tawhed

[@karimb972]

No, it's not greek philosophy and it defends tawheed against non-muslims and sects

[@self-esteem9194]

@@karimb972 kalam was founded by aqlaniyyun groups such as jahmiyyah and muk'zillah, they are astray in their tawheed, imam mallik imam Shafie imam hanafi imam ahmad said they are astray, kalam mixed with falsehood kalam is not tawheed

[@self-esteem9194]

@@karimb972 kalam is contrary to the Qur'an and hadith

[@karimb972]

@@self-esteem9194 Sorry brother, but that is an incomplete picture and those that do not tell the whole story are either ignorant of it or not being fully honest. The blessed imams (rahimum Allah) were talking about the people that were making kufr statements because of their adhesion to greek influenced philosophy. The most famous of them were the Mutaazila. However, later on, after the days of the imams, some Sunni Muslim scholars analyzed the claims of the heretics, studied their methods and used the conceptual tools borrowed from greek philosophers to refute and rebuke the heretics and the misguided: the mutaazila, the christians, the ismailis, the druze, the hindus, the zoroastrians, the atheists, etc. For the last 1200 years the kalam people have defended sunni islam and tawheed in a way that other groups cannot because of their lack of intellectual tools. Without kalam you will never be able to win an argument against an atheist or a hindu, etc. It is a pure lie to say that kalam people are not practicing tawheed. Stop making takfir of your Muslim brothers. Salam aleykoum

[@self-esteem9194]

@@karimb972 Imam Syafie said: “My punishment for kalam scholars is that they should be beaten with fronds, carried on camels, and taken around the tribes. It is shouted to them: This is the reward of those who leave the Book and the Sunnah, and study kalam ". (Tawali al-Ta’sis: 64).

[@omeraltoumi7793]

Allah is not thing created like him , he sees every thing but not created seen like his , he hears all , also not created hearing like his , Allah has face as he said in Quran not created face like his , Allah has being not like any creatd being Allah has created Time ,bignig,end ,life death, space , how we can measure Allah with his creation , Allah is more our created limeted mind , Allah will give belivers in paradise abilty to see him Do you know Allah has not any creation seen him even angile Gabrail , only after death , after this life Sorry for my poor english Omer from libya

[@zakyzayn5361]

What is yad , wajh ?

[@juxtapositionMS]

A Yaqeen guy? That's an instant turn off. For those of you who don't know, Yaqeen Institute in USA advocates all kinds of fahisha among Muslims. Some of their research directors advocate for LGBTQ rights, some participate in pagan ritual, some believe in evolution theory, some reject the idea of Yajuj-majuj, some promote feminism inspiring women to be leader and so forth. They regularly publish articles promoting these deviancies within Muslim community and they are very proud of it.

[@Toronado2]

Juxtaposition Are you a Muslim? If you are, I predict you are a So Called Salafi. Am I right? Someone who makes takfir of the Majority of the Muslims today AND the rest are Ahlul Bida'. You only go to Salafi Masajid. You engage in tafriqah between the Muslims. So if you want to set yourself APART, then don't consider yourself one of the 1.8 Billion Muslims in the World. Your only 1% of that as Salafis.

[@juxtapositionMS]

@@Toronado2 Thank you for your assumption. What is takfir btw? Give me a definition from Quran and Sunnah and tell me why that word describes me in relation to my comment.

[@Toronado2]

@@juxtapositionMS Do you understand English? I did not make Takfir of you. Today especially on the net people pose as Muslims all the time. I just asked a question. You must have gotten offended and didn't answer. If you look more closely I assumed you were a Salafi which I do consider as Muslim. But a Jahil Muslim that makes Muslims into Firqas. Did I make myself more clear now?

[@muhammadshakil3723]

U r right

[@juxtapositionMS]

@@Toronado2 Ok, my bad. You did not make takfir on me. But you said I am making takfir on others. Tell me why that was takfeer. I haven't yet got your definition of takfeer. Eagerly waiting... Also calling Muslims jahil, how does that fit into the akhlaq of a Muslim as described in Quran and Hadith?

[@huntsman2877]

Imam Al shafii : to face Allah with any sin, except shirk, is better than to face him with the sin of kalam The Revival of the Religious Sciences Abu Hamid Al-Ghazali Book #1 page 95

[@fountainofspeech1379]

May Allah have mercy on him and bless you too

[@muhammadabdulmateen8473]

Whats the context. To whom he was saying to. What was the topic directed to.

[@huntsman2877]

@@fountainofspeech1379 amine

[@huntsman2877]

@@muhammadabdulmateen8473 how does that make a difference?

[@koroglurustem1722]

@@huntsman2877 because in his time what was Kalam might be different from what was considered Kalam later

[@asadaldin3373]

Ramon Harvey has not completed any traditional studies of kalam under a Mutakallim. He is no authority in the field but generally self-taught and heavily criticised by the scholars of Kalam for basic errors in Kalam. Paul should be aware of that.

[@koroglurustem1722]

Really ? What are his credentials then? Modern doctorate in theology ? If yes, then why wouldn't it be acceptable ?

[@asadaldin3373]

@@koroglurustem1722 you can ask Ramon what his credentials in kalam are under a traditional Muslim scholar who specialises in kalam. He has none.

[@koroglurustem1722]

@@asadaldin3373 why isn't the modern doctorate degree enough ?

[@asadaldin3373]

@@koroglurustem1722His basic errors, obvious to any Mutakallim, show that it isn't enough. Only those who lack knowledge of the field think it is enough. Islam works based on a system of isnad and ijazah. The Prophet taught his companions, who taught and authorised their students to teach etc until modern times.

[@T_K_R_G]

How do you know that he didn't study Kalam in a traditional setting? And where is Dr.Ramon heavily criticized by Kalam scholars? And a question for you to ponder upon, who taught Sayyidna Imam al-Ashari Kalam?

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