Can Narcissism be Cured?

[@NStuker]

Thank you, finally some positive input. I am a narcissistic person who has woken up. And I have NOT always been like this. I remember my childhood and I was a child with empathy and love. Going through years of living in a very dysfunctional and abusive family changed me into the monster that I am today. When I think about the girl that I used to be, I feel immense pain and begin to cry. My core and sense of self are shattered but I CAN heal them.. Reading so much negativity is hurtfull.

[@herbiehancock4495]

I don’t know if you have succeeded and healed(i hope you have), i feel everything you’ve texted above at the moment.

[@VivianixonArts]

@@herbiehancock4495 @Simply Me Hello I suspect I'm a narc too and this video induced horrific dread in me that I can never change, I do not know for sure if I am a person with NPD, I'm soon to go to get a diagnosis but I am trying to reach out to people and find like minded people to fight this as much as we can together. If somebody is seeing this who thinks or has been diagnosed that they are a narc or a person with NPD pleaseee reply to this comment, We could do something like a discord server or converse via email to help each other out. We could maybe discuss therapy or techniques that might mean a pivotal role in some narcs life, wow I'm trying to convince you to join this(this message is copy pasted as I am trying to find people with this via the yt comment section)

[@herbiehancock4495]

@@VivianixonArts sorry mate... it looks like it’s going to lead me to commit suicide and leave the pain behind me.

[@herbiehancock4495]

there’s no cure.

[@VivianixonArts]

@@herbiehancock4495 please do know that people are having similar or near identical situations like your and you are not alone, and I'm not saying this to pep you up or anything as I too think of suicide often, the suffering is too much sowmtimes but then always some for of silver lining happens: Have you checked out the treatment or even a possible cure to NPD? It's called Cold Therapy and Prof Sam Vaknin is the one who's formulating the therapy and it is in it's infant stages but all hope is not lost don't you think? Check his videos out about cold therapy, I think the third installment of the therapy's testing or soemthing like that was held this may or April. If you want to talk somebody, I am all ears and I know you're not gonna do anything dangerous the next moment but I thought I had to say this here.🖤

[@patriciayoung6361]

Sam is correct again.There is very little that can be done. I was married to a very pathologically involved one . Its a very sad situation for all concerned.You can not help them and they will ultimately be brutally cruel to you no matter how much love you offer them.GET OUT FOR YOUR SANITY AND YOUR LIFE. You will not regret it eventually. You do not know how much I wish I was wrong but I am not.Patricia.

[@blaksheep626]

The ending really smashes the nail in. I found narcissists defend and encourage other narcissists. And criticize your complaints of them. "Well its not a big deal she lied, shes a young woman shes entitled to explore her sexuality." Awfully hard to feel you have a disorder when everyone that is really supportive of your behavior is behaving in the same way. In that way if society were to become mostly narcissistic and the norm then all others would have the disorder compared to what is commonly accepted as normal. Hmmm makes a lot of sense why it is such a magnanimous undertaking.

[@VivianixonArts]

This comment!

[@angelsanon]

I wonder if the founder of Alcoholics Anonymous, Bill Wilson, realised that underlying the alcoholics behaviour was narcissism? In the 'big book' of AA, in the chapter 'How It Works' he reveals his views of treating the selfishness and self centredness, as the root of the problem, and using AA's 12 Steps to treat and access recovery. It has proved highly successful for many people.

[@Trip_mania]

I don't think it is that simple. Many diseases or situation can favor addictions, and addictions tend to make you selfish too. But there isn't necessarily the same grandiosity as in narcissism.

[@boudiccaiceni4955]

No one is saying (true) recovery is not possible, miracles do happen, however these fixed personality disorders will always require much work and lifelong management. Even the Lord won't interfere with free will……………..

[@GeminiDream65]

I believe that people become this way for a reason.......it just does not happen for nothing.....

[@KT-bm6qr]

They don't see anything wrong with the way they are, so why would they think they need to be cured? I think they'd be very resistant to it.

[@samvaknin]

+Brad Faulkner Narcissists and self-awareness www.narcissistic-abuse.com/2.html

[@samvaknin]

+Brad Faulkner The narcissists loves his personality disorder kzbin.info/www/bejne/o2a7aneLr9Z1o8k

[@samvaknin]

+Kat T The Narcissist in Love with His Own Disorder samvak.tripod.com/narcissistlove.html

[@deltaxcd]

I don't say that child must be naive and adults cynical all time, I just say that once you transit into later form you cant revert back. you cant for get knowledge once you obtained it. If you find that you have cancer you cant forget that and live same nice life as before. As for curing narcissist nobody can even tell what exactly is narcissism. Probably some forms can be cured if they are result of some disorder. but most narcissists would not even classify that as disorder.

[@lyfft]

At a very simple level, narcissists are people who just don't give a "sh.t" about others. Those "others" however believe in being "good and trusting." Txs for the series, very informative.

[@boudiccaiceni4955]

Plus the lurks n perks of narcissism (for them) are a massive pay day. They don't feel much, if any remorse, so there is no penalty of conscience or shame. Any changes are merely cosmetic, hovering or strategically self-serving in some way. Impression management. At the very best they can be managed, (for example BPD) with much therapy/medication and a lot of freewill choice and effort on behalf of the recoverer.

[@GageSK]

I am a Narcissist I believe. Its difficult to live with this Thing. I am not a good person although I think I was as a Kid.... But I made a choice one day to not be walked in anymore and that was a mistake it took over and morphed into a DEMON that abuses others and loves being abused. I am an Aware Narcissist but that has only made things worse for me now.... In one of Professor Vaknins videos he speaks about this. Using "Our" Narcissism as an excuse for OUR behavior. But thats just it its an excuse! I have been trying to change these coping mechanisms I have developed to protect myself because I know they are destroying my family and I. Its bad.... I want help! I need Help! Its hard with Medicade to find a good therapist that knows SHIT about Narcissism and can actually give you some tools to help you at least get through a day without it turning into world war 3..... And the Anxiety is too F'ing much man..... I feel like a CRAZY person....

[@VivianixonArts]

Hey

[@VivianixonArts]

@Simply Me Hello I suspect I'm a narc too and this video induced horrific dread in me that I can never change, I do not know for sure if I am a person with NPD, I'm soon to go to get a diagnosis but I am trying to reach out to people and find like minded people to fight this as much as we can together. If somebody is seeing this who thinks or has been diagnosed that they are a narc or a person with NPD pleaseee reply to this comment, We could do something like a discord server or converse via email to help each other out. We could maybe discuss therapy or techniques that might mean a pivotal role in some narcs life, wow I'm trying to convince you to join this(this message is copy pasted as I am trying to find people with this via the yt comment section)

[@Pandazz79]

Hello i wanted to know if you have created such a community I want to join !!@vivian

[@samvaknin]

THERAPISTS, PSYCHOLOGISTS: UPDATE Cold Therapy seminar in Vienna, Austria in May 2017 Dear Participant, Seminar participation is restricted to 35 people. Early bird registration is now available at a 10% discount on the regular price. Simply click on this link to secure your place: www.ccnow.com/cgi-local/cart.cgi?vaksam_EARLYBIRD (scroll to the bottom of the page to pay). Cold Therapy is a new treatment modality (therapy) for narcissists and psychopaths. It has also proven to be effective with major depressive episodes and dysthimia. The first ever Cold Therapy Certification Seminar will take place in Vienna on an extended weekend (3 days) during the second half of May. It will probably be held in the Matteo seminar room in the Hotel am Stephensplatz: www.hotelamstephansplatz.at/ Lidija and I are travelling to Vienna at the end of the month to secure the venue. We will keep you fully posted after our return on March 9. Participants in the seminar will also receive: A copy of the print edition of "Malignant Self-love: Narcissism Revisited", signed and dedicated by the author A certificate confirming the participant's status as a Founding Member of Cold Therapy. See you in Vienna in spring! Sam Vaknin

[@Sehara]

@MyVoicenotSilenced Yes, we all need to better ourself, but some people are incurable. If you have compassion and empathy, you are safe. There is a danger if you see something wrong and you are told that you need to look in your mistakes even you are the only one who are seing wrong and injustice. Some narcissists like to play victim to the point that they inflict wounds to themself just to get attention. This world is anything but normal and it is getting worse...

[@deltaxcd]

Child is supposed to be naive by definition, because child believes everything unconditionally, even it that is obvious lie. You can remain child forever, but once you obtained critical thinking you cant go back to believing every lie even if these lies are very comfortable. I think narcissist can change his behavior by pretending to be something else but he will remain narcissist forever. Maybe narcissist could become schizoid at best.

[@boudiccaiceni4955]

The difference with sociopath /malignant narcissism is that these are abusive disorders with low to no conscience. In order to really want to change involves conscience / a sense of ethics, a basic morality and sense of values. Real narcs neither have these nor want them. Again, much of recovery, via desperation, is self-serving, to stop the pain (for the self) to manage the physical allergy of the addictive substance, via complete abstinence of alcohol and life management skills.

[@persiancatsarecool]

All you narcissists here saying your changing looking for pity are sickening. More tricks to get supply. If any one of you cared at all about other human beings you would go live in a cabin in the woods away from the those of us that are actual humans

[@TheresFuckeryAfoot]

i agree! i read one that talked about how much work she had done and how she was really trying... sounded great. like most narcs do in the beginning. then sure enough her last sentence was about how everyone commenting about how narcs hurt them, was really making her sad and hurting HER and how she wished they would stop! hahahahaha! the true narc comes out. classic. it's like a rapist saying, "god, what i did was so wrong. i realize how horrible it was. i've done a lot of work and i am really changing but it hurts me to hear people say how bad rapists are. it's not fair. i really wish people would stop saying rapists are bad."

[@Sehara]

@patriciacarrasco Sorry to hear that. I let my sister live her life even I knew 20 years ago that that man is not capable to love anybody but himself. He inflicted a lot of pain and tears to her and whole family, insulting, back stabbing...it took her 20 years to realize that there is not one thing left that she didn;t try, it is not possible to change person like that. She is still not safe. Her children suffer lack of empathy, parent alienation syndrome, and he is hurting her any way he can.

[@PrinceSiddhartha]

Meditation is the cure for narcissism, if a narcissist is so afraid and broken that he himself will hunt down Buddha or a meditation practice for healing and attains concentration he can heal himself.

[@SpiritualCoach321]

Hi my narcissist told me he has bo feelings and wanted counseling. Does that mean he wants to change

[@marshallhayes4009]

Ya it is pretty depressive but true .

[@lyfft]

As long as the N. doesn"t give a damn about the other, then the other would be well-served not to give a damn about the N. There are those inverted N. who like to think they can "improve" a N. So they actually believe they are BIGGER than the "original" N...... they feed on each other. Whoever likes this game, go for it!

[@misskarmen]

Well said.

[@VivianixonArts]

Wow this just put out my fire fof hope

[@VivianixonArts]

But I wish I could change

[@Sehara]

Narcissist- my sister's ex husband, got so mad at her for leaving him, that he destroyed all they had, took children form her, started talking lies about her...to the point where he started halicinating... Only what I don't get is my niece, who is 20, psychology student, who is helping him, enabling him to hurt her mom. Don't they study about it in school? Or is she like him? She shoud know better. She knows what her mom went trough for years. Is narcissism hereditary?

[@rickyrocs]

Ppl who narcs have the powers spiritually to possess those you love most my ex did it with my mother now my mother moves as a egor to aid her bidding lol it’s sick but it rlly is no escaping them the damage is done but I’m hoping to find help nd trusting in God to remove everything not for me

[@ashleyp7548]

I think I understand your views on narcissism, treatments, traits, cycles, and so forth, you've been very helpful in my education. What is your opinion of "Dr." David Hawkins? He claims narcissists are capable of actual real change, don't just through behavior modification, that they are not "all bad" and that it's partially the victims fault as well. What's your take on this? Is he just another narcissist trying to confuse and misinform and brainwash on a larger scale? Most opinions and videos posted by him seem to contradict everything and everyone else, including you.

[@faithandreadoire777]

I am a narcissist it’s effecting my relationships and communication with my mom- step dad and biological dad/friends ect can I be helped to creat healthy stability relationships instead of responding with “yeah” all the time and victimization causing the people around me discomfort..

[@jennyconnatty7635]

Yes, darling, you can be helped: Look for kind and clever people to help you, in your quest to become a hero!

[@faithandreadoire777]

@@jennyconnatty7635 thank you sm for reaching out and good advice

[@VivianixonArts]

@@faithandreadoire777 Hello I suspect I'm a narc too and this vidrk induced horrific dread in me that I can never change, I do not know for sure if I am a person with NPD, I'm soon to go to get a diagnosis but I am trying to reach out to people and find like minded people to fight this as much as we can together. If somebody is seeing this who thinks or has been diagnosed that they are a narc or a person with NPD pleaseee reply to this comment, We could do something like a discord server or converse via email to help each other out. We could maybe discuss therapy or techniques that might mean a pivotal role in some narcs life, wow I'm trying to convince you to join this

[@jenniferd1171]

Same!

[@GinjaNinja01]

Without Empathy...it is 'life' but not as 'we' know it...imho. You cannot 'cure' a hard heart!!!

[@zacharydavis4398]

0:00 - 5:27 5:27 - 5:50 if that were the case, would that mean that Americans (and possibly Europeans) as a whole are all more likely to suffer from developmental narcissism (and therefore genitically passed down narcissism) than other regions in the world… not saying that ALL Americans will become narcissistic but that there is an increased chance/potential/risk/etc of developing/exacerbating/etc narcissism via cultural/societal/etc factors at play that are built into our cultural/societal/etc systems at large 🧐idk Thanks for spending the time to create and share this content awareness/perspective

[@samvaknin]

Watch my videos on collective narcissism.

[@clarkewi]

Psychologist believe that one should have an inflated view of one's self. Too many people are self hating rather than narcissistic. Narcissists are easy to spot anyway.

[@doriswhite1348]

Sure, narcissists can be cured -- by a good exorcist!

[@doriswhite1348]

@Anita R. Nope! I won't shut up. That's my opinion and I'm entitled to it.

[@samvaknin]

Watch my video about narcissists and substance abuse/addiction.

[@Jonycor222]

Idk if that's what I have I lie a lot but I catch my self and have been trying to tell the truth but some times I don't now I'm doing it

[@jennyconnatty7635]

Oh, darling! You must work at knowing why you do anything or God almighty, you will suffer! Ouch... let the work begin asap... and become a happier more fulfilled person. (I'm Buddhist - despite my reference to God... but I couldn't think of a more powerful way of expressing my truth here.) We must all become self-aware - we all need to develop this skill. ;)

[@Jonycor222]

@@jennyconnatty7635 I’ve actually fixed it

[@melissacarl2002]

Narc just asked "how does a narc heal?" What do I say?

[@aristochat3]

But is it right to abandon the N, given that it is a false self hiding a frightened child. Is it not like abandoning that child, or is this comment a N defense against loosing N supply?

[@davidcunningham2984]

The narc is more like a false self hiding a dead child.

[@mioangel1227]

Aristocha, I think the same.

[@deltaxcd]

I think it is incorrect to talk about curing something that we cant even describe or define properly. It seems that narcissism does not need to be cured, because it is logically correct endpoint of personality development. it is if you magically become god, and now you decide to become insignificant human again. Sure, being god is painful but there is no way back. Just as there is no way to become happy naive child when you become cynical adult.

[@deltaxcd]

@@g.personal342 relying to 10 year old comment LOL during that time lots for things changed :) But you can see in the video that psychiatrists are not sure if they even have to include narcism into DSM if it is a disorder at all and how to define that disorder if it has many shades. Also at this day term narcissist is more or less just an insult to throw on people you don't like which has no real meaning.

[@deltaxcd]

@@g.personal342 Well the basic principle in modern medicine is that only you can decide if your condition is disorder or not, doctor can diagnose you only by you request diagnosing anyone against their will is immoral. So when you visit a psychiatrist you come with complain that you dislike about yourself. Since narcissists generally do not have complaints about themselves they by definition have no disorder of any kind. Same problem happens with schizophrenia when people are totally crazy but nobody can do anything until they commit a crime because that crazy person is not asking for help. Other people are suffering but it is all considered completely fine. also Sam Vaknin definition is not entirely correct. Narcissism is not always that bad and sometimes it is causing quite some suffering to the narcissist. So it is probably worth keeping it in the DSM as some narcissists do ask for help. Other psychiatrists do not agree with his claims as well. In general the fact that some disorder is mentioned in the DSM just means that person can ask for help if he has that disorder if not doctor will say "get out you are fine." refusing to treat you or assign you some nonsense because otherwise he can't give any treatment.

[@deltaxcd]

@@g.personal342 Well, actually yes, if you have cancer and bleeding to death and you claim that you are fine then yes you are fine, nobody has any right to diagnose your cancer or tell you that you are not fine. Only if you are unconscious and unable to express your opinion diagnosis can be performed without your consent. That's how things work in civilized world. Exception can be made if you pose a threat to other people. In the US is is common practice to ask accident victims that are bleeding to death if they are OK before bringing them to the hospital. What Sam is saying about narcissism is not exactly right as, like I said, other psychiatrists do not agree. To me he seem to be quite exaggerating the situation just like expected from a grandiose narcissist :) Claiming yourself to be non human is quite a thing. He is so unique and special LOL Always such a serious face. The cure for narcissism (and almost all disorders) is to understand that nothing matters nobody gives a shit about you and you have no importance at all. You just life your life and have fun until you croak. The belief that something in life has importance is actually the main component of pretty much every mental disorder.

[@BabyBunch]

Hi Sam I am with a narcissist he is 55 and goes between me and his ex-wife as his supply. He isn't egotistical when it comes to looks but he always talks about him, how he feels and how he always has something to do with a situation even if it's bad.. Like I would say I had a bad day because of work he would add that HE also had something to do with that.. He is not diagnosed. However just recently he has agreed to go to therapy because i told him that if I find him with his ex just once more that I was leaving the state and changing my number.do you think there is any hope for him if he is wanting to get help?

[@deltaxcd]

If you have so good reasons for hope that's nothing special. Only crazy person will hope for bad thing to happen if everything is going so well. Belief in Santa is completely different thing. However, you probably wont deny that we all are getting older our health is getting worse so you cant have hopes that your life will be better in future than it is now.

[@mattthew9619]

3:20

[@loutcb]

Most if not all alcoholics are narcissists. The 12 steps can help.

[@davidcunningham2984]

Not true that most alcoholics are narcs. All alcoholics exhibit some narc traits as do all humans. The real identifying pathological trait is a lack of empathy. Many alcoholics are very empathic when not drinking. 12 steps involve self examination. Narcs are not likely to admit any faults or accept any responsibility and therefore will not be able to work 12 steps. Some true narcs dry out in a 12 step programs. However they never really do any step work and remain true narcs.