Can NEACE get KOREAN CHALLENGER??? *THE $350 COACH*

[@QephetzialGoose]

I'd pay mid best 350 dollars for coaching, but hes gotta coach me over dinner and a movie

[@duperpokgab]

For 350 he will tuck you in at bedtime as well

[@OsvaldoBayerista]

Ready to get you mid beasted?

[@benjaminghazi787]

Couching *

[@Zelchinho]

its not the price that is the most fked up. Its the lying.

[@kilamkam]

Ayooooo 🤔....

[@zhpx_._]

Man when Neace died first and came back to lane to just miss the whole wave killed me 💀

[@Marn0w]

Yes, I was dying inside, he missed so many creeps

[@Indignation92]

That was hard to watch

[@dalehaslam2088]

I'm 7 min in he's missing so many it's killing me.

[@ich3730]

that will be 350 pls

[@Dongle22222]

that was pretty bad. he must have been tilted

[@SkiesWRLD]

350$ for a couch is not bad, I would actually take it

[@williamowens2063]

Thanks for telling us you have terrrible money management skills, very cool 👍

[@Prexxo]

@@williamowens2063 read it again

[@wakov54321]

@@williamowens2063 Thanks for tellings us you cant even read a sentence 😂

[@pudding1337]

Idk man they give them away for free near the trash all the time

[@BestMomentsHD]

give me 100 businessman, same value as neace coaching and u can save 250 that way

[@Lithane97]

100% agree with your take on the pricing, if someone is willing to pay and knows what they're signing up for, it's not a scam. The way I understand it, Neace was only charging around 70$ for coaching a couple years ago, was getting too many coaching sessions, simple supply and demand.

[@TheEasiestBusiness]

When I used to watch him back in the day he’d literally give 1 coaching a month away if you were a twitch sub lol

[@barrymonka5125]

Yes but u can't be an apologist to the extent that midbeast is. It is a scam because he falsely advertises as a challenger coach. He clearly is not a challenger player

[@empty3102]

I remember people losing their minds on asmongolds starforge pc price. But like no one put a gun to your head. Have some self control.

[@arimabz]

@@empty3102 yeah but that is different, you can see all the specs for the pc etc. before you make a purchase so you know exactly what you are getting. with neace they think they are getting a challenger level coach as that is how he has advertised himself. he is, however, clearly not challenger level.

[@Alpffine]

@@arimabz exactly, he's lying about being NA challenger to boost the demand, it's not simply supply and demand, he's a scammer

[@Slekbit]

Can't believe there was no mention of the clusterfuck at 28:10 lol. Taliyah fails blastcone, then flashes into baron as zed gets executed.

[@maxmd123]

lmao

[@rz2962]

3:15 Neace farming. I wonder how loud he would've shouted on his viewer if he had witnessed that.

[@xoafallen6239]

Neace farming like that in korea in diamond elo. Not bronze in NA different elo different region. Not comparable🤣

[@S7za72]

@@xoafallen6239 Bro what?? korean challenger minions are the same to farm as NA iron minions he was 1v0 XD

[@120rikeshlawoju2]

@@S7za72 Most intelligent Neace fan

[@georgeburton3782]

@@xoafallen6239 it's even easier on Korea bc u have 10 ping max ur not making sense

[@890xz]

@@xoafallen6239 i always wondered who would be retarded enough to buy his coaching until I encountered you, you're really the epitome of braindead

[@lordcrispen]

I'd buy a couch for $350 just to have an extra one layin' around tbh

[@FABIOZITO11]

I don't like buying coaches, I prefer to adopt them

[@veigarfletcher5040]

@@FABIOZITO11 yea but only buy couches people put them up for adoption for a reason

[@sushankghimire773]

350 is kinda cheap for a couch tbh

[@dipn6243]

I’m sayingggg

[@bryleciel]

Depends on the size, material and quality but yeah, this doesn't seem like much

[@frensilkie8769]

How is it cheap my friend

[@mephistopheles858]

💀💀💀

[@shade_7500]

Stop tha cap

[@joshthsu]

Props to the commentator for telling me what is happening. A truly extraordinary display of commentating ability!

[@Rajing2002]

U are right, even neace said he wouldnt pay for his own coaching

[@zreed545]

500500 is his new price for coaching after hitting hi elo Korea

[@andrzejandrzej8520]

actually his name mean "pay 500500 won" which is roughly 350$

[@Humanprototype-wh8qr]

😅😂😂

[@leitm3912]

@@andrzejandrzej8520 Yep he's memeing because asshats who don't understand business wont shut up about the price. I had to google translate it as well and found it hilarious

[@boynextdoor931]

Well now we know he will never hit high elo in Korea lol.

[@williampenalo2292]

Midbeast has the most mature takes, couldn’t agree more

[@XIplupIX]

yes no, he purposefully tries to stay in the neutral zone where he cant get any backlash. Which isnt really wrong, but his off stream takes would be probably a bit different. I dont think a single person would be everytime neutral by coincidence or by being mature.

[@OrphanCrippler1]

@@XIplupIX Not everyone is a reactionary weirdo lol. Most people that exist in the real world are pretty neutral.

[@XIplupIX]

@@OrphanCrippler1 as you see on Twitter KZbin and etc thst is not true and yes there are neutral people but not to litteraly everything. What ever comes up he always takes the neutral side

[@OrphanCrippler1]

@Philip Szafran Twitter is not real life lol. Thank you for proving my point.

[@XIplupIX]

@@OrphanCrippler1 you clearly having Not a neutral opinion is proving rather my point

[@Vuongedge]

Honestly I just wanna see Neace past Tarzans peak in Korea just so there's more drama LMAO, whether he gets carried every single game or not, it'll be hilarious to see

[@akaabdullahmateen9983]

bro.. the comparison is unfair xd. Tarzaned.. no joke.. is actually a very high ranking player who is phenomenally skilled about the game.. almost everyone in league scene agrees on that.. the reasons that tarzaned told about not being able to get high elo in korea are legit...soo many people hate tarzaned.. and it is no surprise that he got target inted....i m pretty sure tarzaned could have easily easily hit challenger in korea..

[@Vuongedge]

@@akaabdullahmateen9983 there's no need to explain lmao, I just want lady luck to be on Neaces side to humble Tarzan's ass XD. Wouldn't it be hilarious

[@akaabdullahmateen9983]

@@Vuongedge XD yes..u right >_

[@overlookingview5621]

@@akaabdullahmateen9983 Ah yess! I'm pretty sure he could reach challenger KR too, thats the reason why he was hardstuck masters

[@Monty-qp1kd]

@@akaabdullahmateen9983 cope

[@MegaAnimalLover96]

He’s in Korea for around 2 years because of his wife’s job! So he’s got plenty of time to learn and climb

[@KingCobra-xr1em]

He won’t climb

[@Amiramz201]

If people just knew what escort they would get for 350 😂😂

[@CloudWind0643]

LMAO

[@RememberMeeeee]

True.

[@ssissi12]

hiv free escort

[@berkekaya382]

so true bud

[@tobysource]

Great use of money! Forsake your manhood, make yourself a criminal, and grab yourself an STD!

[@darkgxk]

midbeast: how is he 120 cs at 22 minutes? queue early game neace farming under turret and missing nearly every minion

[@mustangcody]

Fun part is when he auto E a minion, but the first auto goes to one minion and the E goes to another minion, making him lose both cs, then crits a third and loses that cs too.

[@The_Lightless]

3:18

[@sanctuary5727]

Also his spacing is silver elo

[@SabinoxSF]

Honestly watching Neace's videos helped me climb in gold with a 58% wr in a month after being stuck in silver IV for 2 and a half seasons(not regularly playing every day). I wouldn't pay for his coaching, but at the same time arguing about his pricing is stupid. I'm not even saying there aren't better coaches around, but he is good at what he is doing, helping LOW ELOS climb. The highest priced products are not always the best, but most of times, they are good because they specialize in certain areas. Neace for me is a great low elo coach, and maybe, maybe he is a challenger level player aswell. But bitching about his coaching prices is like complaining that the store next to yours sells the same products at higher prices and in bigger volumes. If that is happening, there's must be a reason... I would buy a Tarzaned coaching, seriously, he is an amazing coach and an amazing player, but his personality is so despicable I'd rather stick to gold for life rather than pay him a single penny. Hell, I wouldn't have a coaching with him even if it was free. There's a big difference between being rough and being a total douche.

[@zerdodylan]

ehh id say its more akin to like beats headphones They are more expensive and a lot of people think that makes them good. Same as if you looked up League of Legends coaching on google. Neace would show up, someone could see he has a lot of views and might spend the money for it. Its happened before lol, a couple of people went into the coaching without prior knowledge and were super confused at why their coach was yelling at them.

[@suidice5596]

Neace is a massive dick to people he coaches though lol, spends half the session yelling at his client and won't explain to them why their thought processes are wrong

[@eagle5818]

Okay bro you could watch literally a plat coach and he help you reach gold lol wtf

[@Nicckkeerroo]

Yeah I’ve learned a thing or two from neace well said bro he’s a likeable guy

[@shgalagalaa]

Your local store can price higher because theres an inherent cost of traveling to a cheaper store thats further away. Finding another coach doesnt justify a 300$ mark up. Furthermore you know what the products are. The issue with pricing coaching arises from the informational disparity between the client and the coach. A gold player has a very hard time differentiating a d4 coach from a rank 1 challenger coach. Neace advertises himself as being a challenger player and the king of macro and has built an audience that further pushes that false narrative. When the consumer has no clue of the quality of the product they are buying the supply and demand argument goes out the window. Market failures similar to this are why most sectors of the economy are regulated to some extent with higher regulation in areas where the negotiating positions are even more imbalanced.

[@justoalvarez3940]

I follow Neace since he was a child pretty much and I saw him personally go up to GM (it was like 5 years ago so maybe Masters) in Korea with the MuricanEagle account on stream, and he was there for like 60 days only... He might not get Chall right now, but he has climbed high elo on several occasions...

[@XIplupIX]

yes and nobody says he cant get high elo in na or so. The hting is he claims to be a multi role challanger player and doubling down on it with fake screenshots of him hitting chall. So the entire point is not that he cant reach high elo (master or so) but that he is not a multi role challange rplayer which he claims and uses as advertisment for a long time

[@GriefingGamer]

I like midbeast’s take on coaches not having to be extremely high elo. I like to reference sports for example some of the best coaches have never played the big leagues and are phenomenal coaches meanwhile some of the best players ever in any sport more likely than not are not the greatest of coaches

[@morerobotwarscontent1476]

Alex Ferguson is one of the best football managers. Incredibly successful. He is also Scottish so very much wasn't very good at playing it.

[@Chessmapling]

I guess it depends how much he uses it as marketing material. If your claim to authority is being challenger then that’s being a bit disingenuous to your clients. If you just claim to be a coach and don’t really flex your rank then that’s fine

[@SHERMA.]

i like your example BUT quite often in sports the reason those great coaches are no longer that good at the olympic highjump anymore is because they are 50 years old and their vehicle cant run the same whereas in e-sports its like.. if the coach can sit down and coach he should able to sit down and play

[@GriefingGamer]

@@SHERMA. I think the difference I’m trying to make though is that sometimes great coaches aren’t the best players but they are great coaches because they have patience for the people they are training and have some sort of an eye for the game. An example I like to use is like basketball where Gregg Poppovich never played pro basketball but is an All Time coach meanwhile one of the greatest point guards of all time like Steve Nash currently just got fired for being a horrific coach. Sometimes it’s more so that talented individuals just suck at coaching because they’re talented at the game and have no patience for people who aren’t as talented and don’t grasp the concepts as easily as them. For example Neace is able to coach and have patience for a player who has never touched the game and doesn’t have the understanding of the terminology that would be considered widely known by the League community like breaking down what CS is and why it’s important to have a lot of it and stuff like that. Meanwhile a coach like Tarzaned I feel as though wouldn’t have the patience or like understanding to explain the beginner concepts to someone who is new to the game.

[@SHERMA.]

@@GriefingGamer yea but your not considering the fact that in a ever changing game season by season a great coach has to be a great player, if he doesnt change with the times each season he will no longer be a great coach whereas a great Olympic 100m sprint coach never has to deal with the adversity of the 100m sprint changing season by season i was simply highlighting the fact you cannot compare esports coach to a sports coach lets meet in the middle and look at something like chess, you could of been a great chess player back in the day and be a great coach nowadays... BUT if u stopped playing at 65 you would no longer be a great coach for those at the top because you wouldn't be putting the hours in as a player to understand the new openings and lines people are playing in esports with seasonal changes to meta's and rulesets its not possible to be a "great coach" unless you actively being a great player ofc you could still be a great coach in terms of moral, inspiration and motivation but thats a different topic lets say neace stopped playing/watching/coaching and went and lived in a cave for 3 years and came back day 1 to coach someone, he wouldnt even recognize the items or the new champions or the new objectives, a great coach would fall gracefully due to not being around the sport its a different story

[@felixaubert7322]

3:14 "Miss every creep when farming under tower. That'll be $350"

[@rammsteinfen1]

Hurst me while watching 😃

[@felixaubert7322]

@@rammsteinfen1 It's like watching his bronze coachings

[@felixaubert7322]

@bennwilliams Thank you mr MidBeast

[@MisterNightfish]

To be honest I don't even really care what elo Neace can personally reach. In regular sports the best coaches are rarely formerly best players. What makes Neace's coaching bad, imo, is the actual bad coaching, not his rank. He gives the most generic advice and his method of basically just backseatgaming a match and then calling it a day is nearly worthless for people actually wanting to improve. Nobody can play the game while basically being remote controlled via voice coms and also take anything meaningful away from that for the future. Props to him for the hustle, though. Who wouldn't charge 350$ per session if they could? He's built a brand that people seem to like even if I cannot see much value in the actual coaching, especially compared to other, cheaper coaches.

[@maanimon4760]

First sensible comment I have seen about the matter. Well spoken of you

[@dalinhomelki6912]

Finally someone in the comments have a brain good job

[@user-sz9vt4sd7y]

True.

[@personfrommars8022]

People are shitting on him because he claims to be a challenger coach, so his rank does matter.

[@ij4536]

the diff is that league coaching is often macro...which is what wins games. real sports coaching is more about training on weak parts of the athlete. a lot to do with micro if you will

[@zdelix11]

Watching him farm murdered my eyes..and im casual 10 games per month player and i got to plat highest..now i just play to get gold for rewards and come back every 4-5 months. Tbh only thing people need to learn is what to do after a fight,tower,drake,inhib..

[@hircine92h]

"but .. but hes a "coach" for $350 an hour!!!"

[@The_Lightless]

If you want to learn about objective control, I inhibs, and towers, that’ll be $350

[@antonioleite3689]

"im plat highest"- flaming someone who at worst is a high GM lol, why do bots allways say the same thing, if you can only get 8 cs min in plat you would get 4 p/min in some thing like D3 Korea. Don't even like neace, but low elo players flaming him Will allways be crazy LOL

[@KrisJMcG]

honestly ive watched neace play and have like 10cs or more /min this was probably the worst game for midbeast to pick

[@noxaro778]

I thought neace faked a challenger screenshot or something

[@alwaysjarron6260]

3:10 challanger farming XD

[@itspikachutime5624]

13:13 he moved there I believe cus his wife got stationed in Korea like military things. Might be slightly off on that but pretty sure that’s how it goes so he lives there now it’s not a trip like other players were doing he’s there to stay for the time being so the only real constraint he has is that his coaching jobs come first.

[@Gladkutje]

from all your reviews, never cringed for the gameplay this hard as always Midbeans, thanks for the video

[@IceIsak]

neace made a video explaining his price a long time ago. when he charged 20dollars an hour, his schedule was always full, so he slowly increased it. and even at 150dollar an hour, it was still completely full all the time. so he just kept increasing it slowly until its no longer completely full every day

[@DRUKENHOBO]

so he has such a demand that he has to up his price? thats dope and proves how much the man knows.

[@DronesOverTheMoon]

@@DRUKENHOBO yes but of course he would be undermined by others

[@MrBlipman]

@@DRUKENHOBO I think he is generally a good coach. I think tarzaned is just mad that neace makes a healthy living doing what he loves, while tarzaned plays the game and seems constantly pissed off.

[@MiLa-xi6qj]

@@MrBlipman Usually a higher price would indicate better coaching but Neace only did it because of supply and demand. Guess Tarzaned was expecting his coaching to be perfect since he's charging so much

[@vince2nd]

Yup thats how business works, even if youre a wedding photographer etc. He's just mad AF he built a successful business

[@vansserafim]

"Tarzaned gets heated on the things that he shouldn't" What a huge understatement xD

[@Wyocaster]

Honestly I'm watching his CSing in lane and I'm dying on the inside

[@ademerdem1252]

he is not good bro

[@INFINITY_99]

Very mature take on the whole situation, appreciate it!🔥

[@solidestcorn]

One time a snail saved my cousin from being hit by a truck: The snail saw the truck coming, pulled out a stop sign and the truck froze in place. That snail is now a high ranking interpol officer helping old ladies (and cousins) cross roads all around the world.

[@Kevalanium]

Neace lives in korea, because of his wife that is in the military. So he has alot of time to get this done.

[@ramstab]

now it makes sense, so she was deployed in south korea, most people got deployed to either germany or south korea these past months

[@Bells_Lodge]

His wife is stationed in Korea, so he is there until her deployment ends. It's gonna be good for his skill level. I like Neace, and I watch a lot of his content. But I have always known his skill was rusty as hell. He spends probably 70% of his day coaching, and maybe 20% playing league himself, so I've always expected that his skill wouldn't be at challenger. Idk, I've always seen it as a "I've done it once" kind of claim. It isn't a lie that he has done it, nor has he hidden where he has gotten it in recent years. And as others and you have noted, his price point has come as a direct result of people booking him constantly. Its an effort to slow the flow of bookings so he has a life outside of coaching. As a business model, its perfectly fine. That being said, I watch Neace for entertainment. But I watch Coach Curtis for improvement.

[@ardechey]

Whenever i watch Korean soloqueue climbs, the only person I think of is theBaussffs and his legendary climb there, and how he pretty much did better in korea than back home lol

[@polka678]

"u step on that snail, maybe that snail was gonna save your brother from a terminal illness" like what is this line lmao

[@Greedman456]

5:40 midbeast explaining everything in twenty seconds. Simple as that, supply and demand. It's business

[@user-oc5se4lw4s]

ye but midbeast didnt know about him claming chall on a false screenshot.. thats why people including tarzaned are extra mad.

[@stephanojenkins7636]

He said it's not a scam just because people pay for it. But he lies about his qualifications, and photoshops screenshots to fake being challenger... That's a scam by definition, you're misleading potential customers with falsified information

[@vPzWalkerx]

Well no because the controversy is about advertising "Multi role challenger" to attract supply. If you're not a multi role challenger like some believe then it becomes a scam. You can't fake your credentials to advertise a business. If he is Multi role challenger then yes its supply and demand, if he's not then its a scam. What i saw on twitter its more about him not being challenger hence him trying to prove it in Korea. Not as "Simple as that.

[@wnsjimbo2863]

@@stephanojenkins7636 Photoshoped photoe? Ahahahah Dude online tools that check if a photo is modified tell its real You must e big sheep

[@lindus9201]

@@wnsjimbo2863 I thought so as well, but did a deeper dig into and there is a comparison between neaces photo and another challenger. Neaces photo is darker, which means it likely got resaved. His font tho, is the same bright color as the other photo and not darker as well and I take that to mean that the text have been edited. Was kinda disappointing

[@danieltaylor3696]

So many people want to crap on neace for his trades or farm, he's picked up a new champ to climb with instead of his mains and now he has to actually learn how to play the champ at high elo skill set.

[@datdude15]

He has 100s of games on flora lol....

[@OrphanCrippler1]

Neace has helped me out a lot just by posting some of his coaching sessions on youtube

[@keoniruntzonswitch8957]

Thanks mid beast for donating all the money to my grandma you’re the best. We love you ❤️

[@TheAnden04]

He coaching is so high in demand that he raised his price which is totally fair in my oppinion. good for him

[@peterkezas8083]

Hes high in demand caz he has the fake label of challenger on every role. I talked to two diamond people who bought coaching from him and they regretted ut fully

[@cocoearmuffs6207]

@@peterkezas8083 I’d regret spending a dime on coaching ofc they’d regret 350usd on this… no matter how good it is.

[@weebinwr8116]

@@cocoearmuffs6207 saying this neace guy is a bit decent is heavily an overstatement

[@patrickparent51]

He lives there , he ain't bootcamping

[@montyslush]

wow what a cheap couch only $350? but isnt neace a coach lol

[@conorchlebek3412]

ACTUALLY WAS WAITING FOR THIS VIDEO 😊

[@bachelorsensei9437]

I would watch Neace vs Tarzaned 1v1 in a boxing match for $350 anyday!

[@samuelallard141]

i eman on that one iud be scared for the guy, neace has been in the army

[@kevinbazarek]

@@samuelallard141 yeah I take neace ANY day in a fight and as a bonus I would love to see Tarzaned get his ass beat

[@ce8539]

Tarzand is an emotional jellocup, Neace has seen live combat, easy win for Neace imo

[@kevinbazarek]

@@ce8539 I've been playing league since early season 2 and through virtually all of it, Tarzaned has been a giant bitch lol. some people legit need to get bullied more, maybe he wouldn't be the way he is if somebody put the fear of God in this kid

[@lothara.schmal5092]

I mean Neace would beat his ass ngl

[@eplyoung]

4:50 - 6:16, spot on, Mr. Midbeast, spot on. I am a 42-year-old Airline Pilot, and I play League in my free time while at hotels. Midbeast's "engineer" scenario applies to me. I can afford 350 for an hour and will likely pay it at some point for a few tips and to, as Beast says, hang out with Neace for an hour. My prerogative as it is for anyone else who chooses to pay. Neace has been open about his business model and to feedback on it. Clearly, Tarzaned is envious and wishes he had invested in League as a business as Nease has.

[@dwaynetheboulderjohnson7549]

Well he's not scamming anybody. You can see how much he charges for a session, plus you can see his coaching quality on KZbin. At the end of the day, you're the one making the decision to pay or not. He didn't lie and take your money. What niece is doing is not a "scam". Its more like rip-off because its so expensive.

[@jmac8929]

Yeah it’s wild people complain

[@fernandadias6266]

It's a scam if you didnt do your homework and investigated this guy.

[@jmac8929]

@@fernandadias6266 , I mean if you are playing $350 for coaching in LoL and didn't bother to look up one of the most prolific content creators. $350 probably does not matter that much to you.

[@fernandadias6266]

@@jmac8929 Well, there are always stupid people haha.

[@j6lkx5kt31]

"The Snail Effect. You step on a snail, maybe that snail was gonna save your brother from terminal illness." 23:13

[@cvetamalo1004]

I watched neace since season 5 when I became serious about climbing I saw him and Mr beast doing videos about dopa breaking down the laning phase he was also doing his own vod review all of his vod reviews where in diamond 1. I think he got chall on na but didn't upload games and stuff so tarzaned argument that he was duo boosted might be true. After watching neace I started watching ls free coaching on yt the diff between ls and neace coaching is huge. From ls I learned so much more its crazy. Also in 1 of neace previous vids he talked bad about ls but didn't want to say reasoning bcz of ls fanbase but ls only said that he didn't feel comfortable taking so much money from he's viewer's (he's coaching was 150) ls didn't say anything about neace but neace was slendering him a bit in the video where he is talking to one of his coaches(im not defending ls or anything he's a drama queen kinda but he's coachings are pure gold). I understand that neace is coaching bronze silver gold players but he is just playing the game for them instead of playing for them he should ask them why did he told the student to go side lane for example what will that guy do when he goes in game without neace telling him what to do every second he needs to understand why is he doing certain things. If the guy is iron or somthing and plays with locked camera and levels with mouse and always misses cs he would tell him level with ctrl unlock camera practice farming in practice toll but if a student is gold or Plat he should explain why is he telling him to do certain things. About this video neace didn't play before this that's why he is missing cs making mistakes in lane his fiora is lacking mechanicaly cuz he didn't play still enough games to be good on fiora (this game he lost mindgames against Darius was waiting for parry first so he can secure the pull and get his 5 stacks neace w was to early. I played against gm Rene otp as fiora. he had pta and went lethality got 4 solo kills on him ( I was slow pushing into tower he gets close to last hit I r him he gets into tower range I get turent aggro but I still didn't used my w after turent started focusing me I q behind him to proc vital and then I insta used parry and block his w cuz waited till last moment to parry the matchup is diceded by one spell like fiora vs Darius, Rene, riven.. To explain better neace w early Rene waited next time same thing he goes for cs Darius engages he should trade with Darius a bit and imidetly running toward tower ( he must trade a bit so Darius doesn't get a free health advantage) so while he is running and kitting Darius ( all this time Darius is in e range) he legit needs to wait to the point until it would be trolling not to use his e( darius chased fiora from minions to tower fiora is 3 seconds off getting into turent range so darius is being forced to hook fiora parry it and imidetly can kill with ignite cuz they traded hp when darius engaged on fiora darius didn't get any advantage in lane that gives better odds that he will pull that second to try get bigger advantage or solo kill him and he's playing solo queue. But in like 50 games neace will play better for sure. THAT WILL BE 350$ I'M SO HIGH

[@nemukesw9761]

when league of legends players beef, midbeast is the only true winner

[@Enutroeuf]

That lvl 2 death sums up his skill level.

[@c.m.81]

@@uhhhfrick9767 not you, a random, calling another random a random. The cringe is physical

[@dn8632]

@@uhhhfrick9767 mistiming lvl 2 by not looking at where caster minions are targetting and burning parry immidiately on nothing is not something to defend lol

[@PeteZam]

@@uhhhfrick9767 you act like that was a small misclick. there are degrees of mistakes. that wasnt some small little misclick, it was a complete and total miscalculation and a failure to understand some of the most basic concepts of the game, the enemy hitting lvl 2 first and going all in. that level 2 play was pure dog sh it

[@kurtislo8614]

@@uhhhfrick9767 rank doesn’t matter i’m 650 LP n i can tell u neace is trash

[@lucadevittoris4804]

@@dn8632 could literally just be a lapse in concentration. I don't even like neace at all but I'd bet anything you're not as good as him. So why hyper focus on such a small mistake?

[@AndreSantos-nd8jz]

Revenue management is not about what is worth or not, it's about what people are willing to pay. If he gets fully booked on his coaching hours for 350€/h, maybe he has to start to charge more for it.

[@Surveilxd]

350 is nothing compared to Tyler 1s 10k couch

[@foreverandalways4771]

Tyler only makes $210 a month…

[@worm8886]

@@foreverandalways4771 💀 💀

[@redridingcape]

Completely agree on the supply and demand point.

[@Semaaimes]

I'm surprised Mid didn't comment on how terrible this guy can last hit, jesus....

[@user-bf7td1gn3t]

I was confused as well, but I think he didn’t even see it because he was talking so much

[@Teddy-se8qb]

neace is getting hard carried by his team. this is how most of the games go.

[@raaseraphic]

Mid beast also sucks at csing so he probably feels for em

[@Teddy-se8qb]

@@LoveYourself-318 being able to minimize mistakes and allowing yourself to get carried is a skill in itself. and its honestly neaces strongest attributes as a player. this climb is showing he knows how to get carried to not do alot of dumb shit. thats a part of macro that hes king as for sure.

[@jmb47kkamikaze80]

@@raaseraphic yes but unlike neace midbeast gets crazy fed even when he is cs is dog water . And we can't lie a midbeast that is behind is the best support. He beat toba back to back after all.

[@Drakshl]

I mean peoples ranked MMR isnt even always indicative of them as a player. In dota we had a pro with some good tournament placings who was probably the equivalent of High diamond perhaps a big higher in league terms (C4T, he was about 4.5k SA for those wondering). This guy was a good enough support and captain to beat teams full of the best players in the world.

[@acidbreezee9875]

He is not boot camping. He moved there for 2 years. Bc his wife serves in the navy and she is there for 2 years. So he moved with her.

[@Twiggerize]

The thing with NEACE is that he's a content creator. His videoes is for intertainment. I'm not the best league player, but i feel like i know a good coach when i see him, just by the way he/she manage their student. I've watched a lot of his videoes, and the way he treats his students is for INTERTAINMENT. He knows that 90% of people watching his videoes watches him because they think it's funny when he goes full psycho mode. And I'm sure that at least 50% of his costumers hires specifically him, because they want his "approval". A lot of people in league think that they're better than they really are, and some people that buys his coaching thinks that he will tell them that they're really good at the game, and with them he will be different. Buttom line is, his sessions isn't optimized for the best coaching, it is optimized for intertainment.

[@chedched12]

Brother… you spelled entertainment wrong, and just kept fucking doing it. Kinda proves the point of NEACE fans being morons 😂 That being said Midbeast is right about the coaching prices. Cheers

[@jamiestwrt]

Entertainment why are u spelling it like that? Bizarre

[@jmcmillen89]

Good takes as usual. As far as Tarzaned is concern, first of all, he's always been a POS human in general. But more importantly, you don't charge for coaching based on our skill level. You charge based on your lead/client pipeline, which is mostly a combination of your marketing ability + your coaching ability (different than your actual skill). NEACE is a much better marketer and coach than Tarzaned is... so he can charge a lot more. It's that simple.

[@novytv_]

welcome to mid beasts coaching couch

[@jeffpierson9455]

Nobody gonna talk about 28:15 Taliyah flashes over wall, then immediately gets caught out by Kayn?

[@donovan50120]

Glad I scrolled down to this one lmao

[@hughesga1745]

The fact you made tarz the thumbnail is peak comedy gold

[@MrUberLol]

I swear this mans cs skills are iron at the highest, he’s so bad at last hitting it’s actually scary

[@dyberly6328]

350$ couch? must be a damn sale!

[@AustinEclipse]

I remember watching him back in the day when he first started making videos and streaming. He was challenger multiple times. Game play wise watching this is super rusty, but coaching and playing are two different things. He’s got it in him, but he’s just gonna take a bit to get back there

[@TheeGoodSir]

@@dobb288 well tarzan himself showed he was GM close to chall soooo....to believe he didnt play a few more games and got chall is hard to believe

[@H4ppy_Noob]

Multi challenger? His peak on NA was 491/497 at gms

[@Alegior_]

Neace has been coaching full time + making events to further his brand for gods knows how long (i think probably the better part of 2 years or more) .. the only times he actually plays were a few runs at different servers (like 50-100 games) , learning champs (like Sylas and Fiora) or his A-Z for content . He hasn't had the time to actively climb in forever so give him the end of last season , and preseason to get warmed up and then we will see. It's hard to compare him to players that have been grinding 1000s of games on 12 different accounts. I mean if he makes it to master tier , he'll basically be around the same elo T1 was and he got challenger 5x in NA lol.

[@Yasukeh]

T1 peaked GM on KR, and Neace got hardstuck d3-d4 after 400 games last time he went to Korea when he was actively playing years back.

[@danieltaylor3696]

Neace prices are $250 for 90 minutes while he's still streaming. It's $350 if you want dedicated one on one session. He also offers other coaches who are challengers on specific roles for much cheaper too so his business model is pretty diverse.

[@maddeken]

Agreed. The price is set by demand. Neace fans will pay that, and more.

[@Asdasty]

23:15 Maybe that snail was going to save your brother from terminal illness LMFAO!!!

[@thelatestartosrs]

the thing with playing fiora is no matter what the play is if you play perfectly you will win (unless you have no mana or something) so its really tempting to try everything

[@bonesh0ckerz]

Not really. A Fiora can get punished easily as long as you know what you are doing. 2nd of all, Neace's spacing was abysmal, like absolutely atrocious even for a Diamond. On the ping he is playing there, I see no excuse to position and react to enemy movement so poorly, sloppy and slowly. You claim to be a challenger coach but you lack the fundamentals and mechanics to even survive the average Diamond KR player. Fiora excels on enemy mistakes as long as you can punish them and your hands+brain are capable to do so. In this lane phase within the video, that was lacking on 99%. The W usage was of a silver/gold/low plat beginner Fiora player, but we are talking about NA Challenger coach. See how easily it can go either way of the argument ? I don't wanna go against you or anything, but Fiora does not automatically win lane phases. In fact, often times, Fiora players swap the Conqueror for Grasp setup just to have a decent laning since they know that some match ups are literally 50/50 and even then it's up to them to make it so close. There is this misunderstanding around the league community that splitpushing duelists are Exodia on lane phase. They are not. They are REALLY vulnerable to the keen players against them.

[@LuckyGnom]

@@bonesh0ckerz You don't need mechanics to be a good a coach. In fact coach and player positions require completely different skills sets.

[@tristanoce5233]

yes bro neace played really well this game when he walked up lvl 2 against daruis and used both sums ?>

[@user-sz9vt4sd7y]

@@LuckyGnom yeah, but his coaching is really stinky and useless

[@vovakorotkikh5161]

@@LuckyGnom unless the advertisement you’re using to sell the coaching is a complete lie. He himself believes that his rank is important, otherwise he wouldn’t sell under the mark of five role challenger.

[@adacougdirector]

if I had a nickel for everytime you mentioned beating Dopa, I'd have very few nickels because you mention it so infrequently

[@kharkaroto9486]

Diamond 3 Korea is more than good enough for him to coach his low elo clients. If he did falsely advertise that he's challenger, then that's an issue. NA challenger would be crazy good as it is, even if inferior to other regions.

[@user-qu8rh3ib4p]

he peaked grandmaster never touched challenger in his life

[@lindus9201]

@@user-qu8rh3ib4p He have been challenger on LAN, so that part is true at least

[@user-qu8rh3ib4p]

@@lindus9201 challenger in LAN is equivalent to platinum in NA.... its that easy to climb... if you plat in na go to LAN you will hit master bare minimum and challenger if you put in the hours

[@tobysource]

@@user-qu8rh3ib4p you know all this from what? Personal experience????

[@kibbylol]

@@tobysource lol just try it on a new acc u legit hit chall in like a month max

[@pvpu3304]

Neace hit challenger on NA, and now doing it in Korea just to see if he can. You don't need to be a high level player to be a high level coach. Kind of like how some people you'd never know existed are some of the greatest sports coaches to live

[@soniclover9245]

he never hit challenger and ur point is only halfway to logical. You would never know a coach is great because he doesnt need to maintain his skill to coach, but he should've peaked at a high level so he can properly judge you and give you advice. Why pay for $350 for a coach who has never genuinely reached above master?

[@pvpu3304]

As I'm watching, I realize midbeast is unaware Neace has hit challenger. Also Neace definitely practices what he preaches because he does a lot of risky all ins. He coaches that every session to learn your matchups and limit testing to get better in the long run

[@soniclover9245]

@@pvpu3304 He hasn't though? He got datamined and he has never hit challenger a singular time. He also posted a fake screenshot on twitter of his challenger.

[@pvpu3304]

@@soniclover9245 I was under the impression that the chal SS was real, but even so: he was like 65% WR masters or gm when i saw a vid of his like a year ago. Regardless, I'm of the mindset that you can be a great coach without ability to execute at the level that you can coach. I'd also say that neace is mostly coaching low elo players to break years of horrible habits and lazy playing - which is helping them finally break through the wall. The price isnt something I ever care to debate because I'd do the same. If people will pay the price, thats what its worth. If you double your price and lose half your clients, you're working half the amount for the same money. It's only too much when people stop paying it

[@soniclover9245]

@@pvpu3304 He duoq'ed with a top 10 rank player up to peak GM. This is a far stride from being a multi-season challenger. Although, I do sorta agree with you: a majority of his clients are so awful that they have been stuck an entire decade in the lowest ranks. However, there comes two issues to mind for me. That these people would never have come to Neace if he had admitted that he is a peak high diamond player in soloq. And that if you were any form of mid-high elo player receiving his coaching's you were most definitely scammed. Like if you were a plat-masters player and you were told that you were spending 350 dollars to learn from another player of your comparable rank do you really think they would buy his coaching? Also, little side note I learned off watching his jungling in Korea. He is most definitely not qualified to teach every role, and that includes jungle. He was genuinely being jng-gapped playing Hecarim(62%wr champ currently) in Gold and had to switch to playing top(which I do believe he is qualified to teach top, its his best role by far).

[@Tahufan1000]

@Midbeast Neace is living in Korea for the next 2 years. His wife is in the army and they were posted there. So he’s got a decent amount of time to attempt the climb.

[@generalv.1891]

3:15 Man these korean minions are hard to kill i swear

[@tobysource]

Have been thoroughly enjoying watching Neace shatter everyone's expectations.

[@lowernineswitch]

bro hes diamond lmfao should be easy for multirole challanger

[@puma21puma21]

@@lowernineswitch wasn't T1 hard stuck diamond after being all roles NA challeneger.

[@tobysource]

@@lowernineswitch KR Diamond within ~ 80 casual games. We'll see what happens when he starts his real climb next season, won't we?

[@BorisYankov]

@@tobysource These are high ELO bootcamp accounts, not your average 'new player' ones. Jankos on the same type of account, has played half the games and is approaching Grand Master.

[@tobysource]

@@BorisYankov I'm not sure I understand your point. No one said anything about Jankos. Are you implying Neace is comparable to a pro player?

[@DBHobbs]

You know how people always swear they're better than they are, I was one of those. I recently (2 weeks ago) got diagnosed with Keratoconus and I've been almost legally blind out of my right eye for years didn't realize it not much better out of my left. I now have special contacts and am crushing games. I can't wait for next season!

[@mustangcody]

Uh how does being blind make you arrogant?

[@DBHobbs]

@@mustangcody Well Ive played for years now and just stuck silver, my biggest problem as a jungle is I could always get a lead, good gangs map awareness jungle match up knowledge general champ knowledge , ok macro but when it gets to team fighting, dueling, Mechanic's I would literally just be lost in most fights. So of course always felt like I was better than I was able to show on the rift but didn't know why. And people shit on you for even feeling that way. Ive put a lot of work into improving over the last year or so with no results so it feels really good.

[@mustangcody]

@@DBHobbs You lack patience when ahead and try to rush a win with dumb fights that accomplish nothing.

[@DBHobbs]

@@mustangcody I mean I guess, you have to make plays when ahead especially if a lane is feeding, I rewatch vods and it's usually just me getting out played more than stupid fights to be honest. But like I said everything is improving now, honestly it's like playing a whole new game.

[@mortystraphouse5077]

he's only playing fiora and karma lmao

[@gunblade8123]

You should be challenger to play them budd , you cant even understand 🤪🤪

[@rishithapremachandra9911]

I tuned in to a stream out of curiosity and apparently hes trying to climb while learning new champs. So he's learning fiora and karma think he said that he played fiora in the past but never tried to learn her for real.

[@mortystraphouse5077]

@@rishithapremachandra9911 hes lying. fiora is his Tryndamere replacement b/c she's op. and karma is a cheese pick to get carried with. he's a narcissist, he cant help but lie all the time

[@tristanoce5233]

@@rishithapremachandra9911 he was legit coached by rank 1 fiora because he has money..

[@mortystraphouse5077]

@@tristanoce5233 yea bro he got coached by rank 1 fiora and he tells his viewers... im learning fiora and karma in korea. and his fans r like holy fk dude neace is learning fiora in korea hes better than tyler 1

[@nuckchorris1396]

I stopped playing league but i still love midbeastdaddy

[@KingJerbear]

I'm not going to get into the whole Neace debate too deeply, but some of the best coaches in the entire sports world were never elite players. Understanding the game, and more importantly being able to relay that to another person is much different than personally being able to execute those lessons in real time. I haven't been overly impressed with any of his coaching that I've seen, but I know he goes out of his way to interview and learn from one-tricks in order to get a better sense of their Champion. So is he going to be able to teach Faker how to improve his game even more? Probably not, but 97% of the League player base is below Diamond, and those players can certainly learn something from Neace. Whether or not that knowledge is worth $350 is up to the player.

[@ThrlPhlpp]

No that’s the entire point, a bunch of challenger players are calling him out not only for his prices, but also for the things he said in his coaching, which were totally dogshit calls

[@KingJerbear]

@@ThrlPhlpp I could find footage of every one of those challenger players making dogshit calls in their own games. Hindsight is 20/20. When you're coaching a silver player for one hour, you're not trying to teach them how to play like a challenger. You're trying to get them to even listen to a single thing you say and apply it before the time is up, so hopefully they can start to improve in the longterm

[@abefroman2477]

What annoyed me about him was during this whole thing he tried to spin it off like he was doing the community a "favor" by coaching and that he was giving back. Nah dude, this is your job. If you are being paid for it, it's not a "for the good of the community" thing. It's business.

[@ChrisfromDevelopment]

@@abefroman2477 he didn't tho. grow up. It is his business and you would be better off minding your own instead of spreading lies.

[@zanesolari3960]

Bruh why is Tarzaned reallt the king of roasting

[@degenxayah]

Lmao the funniest part of the drama is Neace literally says he would never play $350 for his coaching. Hes been saying it for years

[@manslaughter305]

lol ur so funny. might be the best league content

[@h2relic721]

finally, someone with a good take on this. common midbeast W

[@Slygrond]

People are very harsh to neace, he helped me get gold from diamond in a week! Guy is insane!

[@InHeartsWake.]

Been watching Neace for quite a while never paid any money but I've learned a shitload from his free content. The guy knows the game insanely well.

[@Dingdong2730]

He doesn’t know the game “insanely well”. He understand basic macro concepts that can get you an advantage in low/mid elo. If you want to take your game to the next level, Neace is not your guy.

[@InHeartsWake.]

@@Dingdong2730 cope

[@Dingdong2730]

@@InHeartsWake. You’re coping lol xd

[@slof69]

I enjoy neaces trolling tbh

[@propov1802]

14:59 I assume his username means something like "one time 350$ payment" because 500500 won is around 380$ usd

[@tobysource]

Hahahaha that's actually pretty funny and great, if true

[@The_Lightless]

No you’re correct it is a meme about the $350 per hour thing

[@Shiroiyoru743]

350$ is only worth for a coach that beat dopa but we never know who did

[@anthonyg6083]

Thanks for the update on Neace

[@RSaustria4ever]

Neither do i watch neace's coaching, nor do i know the skills of both players, but i think there is a big difference between playing good and teaching someone the game. I mean many pro analyst aren't even platin and know more about the game than most challenger players! ty for the video midbeast, always enjoy your commentaries :)

[@asves4536]

But you also need to be good at the game to be able to teach it.

[@Seeu20]

Mid beast: "am i terrible at the game" LMFAO

[@tristan6773]

the reason to “throw out w randomly” in fights is cause darius has no wind up to his cc. you need mad reaction to react (like 99. percentile reaction)

[@konaqua122]

exactly. It's just a matter of hunch like, "will he do this?" But I do think he played the W wrong as well because instead of anticipating Darius's hook, he could use it in Darius's skills that has animation like the Q or ult. Yes, this doesn't stun darius but also, you won't get damage during Fiora's W.

[@KingOfMalevolence]

You can still parry the ult or a Q

[@megaapfel]

That's why you save w for his r, which has a longer cast animation. Too bad neace is even too slow to parry Darius ult.

[@jessejuranka2086]

less random on low ping

[@Scarlet_moon.]

goal is to hit Darius with it right?Because most of his W went wide.

[@jkvltra804]

Neace is living in Korea. They moved there. He used to be in the military and his wife is still is I believe so I think that's how they made it happen.

[@Morrissey2k]

Idc about the Neace drama tbh but anyone who tilts Tarzaned like this is A-OK in my book

[@tristanoce5233]

you may aswell sub to him at this point

[@tobysource]

Tarzaned is mentally unwell.

[@Morrissey2k]

@@tristanoce5233 who?

[@mylesmiller5979]

A lot of people say improving at league is just making less mistakes. I only play aram now adays anyway but love ur content

[@ItssLevii]

I feel like neace is at least GM on NA but everyone is just jumping on the shit on neace bandwagon when hes actually just a good coach for every role who charges a lot of money because people are willing to pay it and they are happy with the result.

[@tristanoce5233]

hahahah gm in s12 and you think thats good for a coach

[@andrija3511]

No one is saying that he isn't Gm on NA, the problem is that he is constantly lying about being a challanger. And he is promoting himself as one. And his coaching is a lot of times just blatanly wrong.

[@mortystraphouse5077]

hes not a good coach 4 every role tho. hes good at explaining macro for low elo and hes funny when he gets mad and yells at client. hes more entertainment that expert... he knows top lane. hes a good split pushing top laner. thats it. hes not that good at the game or that good of a coach, but he carved out a nice spot for himself on youtube.... hes a cringe liar but its ok to like his content. his fan boys think hes a god tho its fkn funny as hell

[@chanlamkha5766]

@@andrija3511 He claimed to be challenger in every role XD. Even Faker himself don't even dare to say that.

[@grzegorzbrzeczyszczykiewic5083]

The thing is he isnt a good coach at all. The ppl that buy his coaching are mostly really low elo and dont understand what is good and bad quality coaching. There is a massive difference between Neace telling a silver when to recall and Veigarv2 or Bezum vod-reviewing a challenger player.

[@quinnkrug1971]

15:35 You're not wrong but it takes way more games that way because basically hoping your team doesn't feed and let the enemy snowball. If you play aggressive successfully you have more influence over the game.

[@sw3que733]

My man has been afk farming the whole game and got like 5cs per min lmao

[@Negative_IQ_Gaming]

Lol everyone complaining about neaces coaching price. He is the starbucks of coaching. It might not actually be the best thing in the world but people love his brand so much they pay for it anyway. His audience likes him. Also, when it comes to coaching. I think charging higher is better because it weeds out students that aren't actually serious about the game. If your willing to pay that much you have to take it seriously because you have so much skin in the game. He also has such a big audience now if he was charging like 20-30 bucks an hour he would probably have way to many orders to fill. and if he is gonna do this for a living he needs to be making enough to pay do new things in his business while also hitting long term goals for retirement. If he charged 20$ an hour he would make like 800 a week after taxes. He would gross like 38k a year. is that really enough to justify doing this full time? especially considering he would have to work 7 days a week 8 hours a day to hit that 800. what kind of quality of life is that? If you want cheaper coaching go to a coach that does it on the side not as a full time job. There are 500 billion coaches out there. But that's my thoughts. You don't have to use him lol just like if i want coffee ill make it and not go to starbucks and pay 10$ for a cup of coffee.

[@82superawesome]

Neace is in Korea because his wife is Navy and got stationed in Korea. He said he's going to be there for at minimum 3 years, maybe even upwards of 5. Time constraints aren't an issue atm, and it seems he's probably just limit testing until he knows what fights he can truly take and commit to. As Midbeast says here very well, the mechanics (especially laning) of Korean players are really high and therefore know their fights better due to their low ping. Neace also started doing VOD reviews of challenger Korean players in between games and coaching, and he does recognize that full sending every fight isn't really the move like in NA or EU, and I'm personally hoping to see him improve rapidly next season and optimize his playstyle to be more tactical rather than "let's just see what happens", because realistically that only gets ya so far

[@trevorhunka8985]

My brother actually saved my snail from a terminal illness. Cool story bro.

[@xobler2508]

I dont think anyone has a problem with the fact that people are willing to pay $350 for coaching, but that neace afaik advetises himself as being a challenger player for that coaching which people find deceptive