Can Standard Be Fixed? | Dies To Removal 42 | Magic: The Gathering Video Podcast

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Tolarian Community College

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@TolarianCommunityCollege
@TolarianCommunityCollege 2 жыл бұрын
Apologies for the extreme audio problems on the original upload of this. I took it down and completely redid the audio work and so have re-uploaded here with fixed audio. Sorry again for the issues with the first upload! Cheers, friends.
@FelipeASaito
@FelipeASaito 2 жыл бұрын
I thought I was having a deja Vu or Mandela Effect moment
@drmntpibb
@drmntpibb 2 жыл бұрын
Yo I started to think I smoked so much I forgot. This makes more sense
@Glass_Ninja
@Glass_Ninja 2 жыл бұрын
I thought I was losing my mind or something cause I remembered the topic, I remembered the first few jokes.
@worldatwar956
@worldatwar956 2 жыл бұрын
Great to see you fix any problems your videos may have even when KZbin would incentivize you to do otherwise
@piss5061
@piss5061 2 жыл бұрын
@@FelipeASaito me too lmao I went to the comment section to comment that
@cocoachrispies
@cocoachrispies 2 жыл бұрын
Just a personal theory, but think the fading interest in standard is tied to the increased frequency of set releases. Standard sets were once the primary product released. There was supplemental product, but the only non-standard legal full set releases (that I can recall) were the two UN sets. So all eyes were on standard set releases looking for new powerful cards, reprints, value, EVERYTHING. Now we get commander legends, modern horizons, and masters sets. You can largely ignore standard sets if you don't want to play that format. Maybe an important reprint or broken card will come out, but you no longer need to watch standard sets diligently.
@nottsfhj
@nottsfhj 2 жыл бұрын
And there's so much "just for commander" stuff printed elsewhere, even if you miss an important card it doesn't really matter... You can only play 99 after all!
@mindustrial
@mindustrial 2 жыл бұрын
Problem is; in every Standard product there are cards that are clearly designed for a format that isn't Standard. Along side the ability to pull Commander cards from packs, making your whole pack an even bigger dud if you not pulling the top-3 cards from the set. Also, in the old days you had your yearly Core set, and than a block of 3. If you didn't like the block, you either sat it out till the new Core Set or played Modern with your old cards. Now, you have to keep on your toes because even before you open your first pack, they already revealing the next set. Which isn't in the same block, same art style, same story telling so maybe there is something in it that hits all the marks for you. You cannot do the old "I took a break in Theros-block" any more.
@Invictus-Solaris
@Invictus-Solaris 2 жыл бұрын
I said this before and I’ll say this here: Commander is becoming the new Standard.
@Kyuubiify
@Kyuubiify 2 жыл бұрын
Not enough sets!
@johnbts9216
@johnbts9216 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly, they are burning through sets to create “commander” staples and reprints.
@sandaxlovaliii6061
@sandaxlovaliii6061 2 жыл бұрын
I was sad at the thought we might have lost Kenobi shouting " I want to hit Urza with my car" forever.
@JTByrd386
@JTByrd386 2 жыл бұрын
I knew it! Where was that from!?
@MOTOSolid
@MOTOSolid 2 жыл бұрын
@@JTByrd386 the opening of this video
@Godzilla2000312
@Godzilla2000312 2 жыл бұрын
I clipped it and was panicking once the clip was missing
@williamzhang153
@williamzhang153 2 жыл бұрын
Me: "But why??" Kenobi: "JUST DO IT!!"
@lanaebabs8675
@lanaebabs8675 2 жыл бұрын
I literally told friends about this cold open and was so upset when it got lost for a few weeks there
@BenjaminKlahn
@BenjaminKlahn 2 жыл бұрын
That was the best opening skit you've ever done... I want that on a t-shirt, "I want to hit urza with my car."
@lysolboss
@lysolboss 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly like, who doesn’t wish they could hit urself with their car?
@caioo08
@caioo08 2 жыл бұрын
I love the Genie "it's all commander now"
@Invictus-Solaris
@Invictus-Solaris 2 жыл бұрын
I’d buy it for sure. 🤣
@jimmysmith2249
@jimmysmith2249 2 жыл бұрын
With a pic of a car rolling over Urza on the back! Those who get it would laugh. Those who don't get it... Well, I mean, it would be horrible for them, but...
@LadyLunarSatine
@LadyLunarSatine 2 жыл бұрын
I tired out of it around 2 minutes in and jumped ahead to the meat of the video.
@AceDRoses
@AceDRoses 2 жыл бұрын
The british humor guy, the cool millenial pirate, the indiana-esque professor/mentor....that intro looks like one of the best netflix series about underrated superheroes (like umbrella academy, doom patrol,etc)
@blackfang500
@blackfang500 2 жыл бұрын
I thought this was a new episode at first. Hope we get a new one soon, love Dies To Removal
@karwas
@karwas 2 жыл бұрын
The professor went and did it. THE REPRINTS FOR EPISODES ARE REAL NOW
@TheMaskedHero
@TheMaskedHero 2 жыл бұрын
Oh thank god. I legitimately thought I was experiencing some kind of chronological impairment when the episode started.
@Str8upWizardCJ
@Str8upWizardCJ 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheMaskedHero same
@xChikyx
@xChikyx 2 жыл бұрын
me too
@seanflanagan9675
@seanflanagan9675 2 жыл бұрын
Wait so why is this a repost?
@Donler
@Donler 2 жыл бұрын
OK guys, we now need a playmat made showing Kenobi hitting Urza with his blue Ford Mondeo. What's it gonna cost?
@nathanielreichley4640
@nathanielreichley4640 2 жыл бұрын
Shame that wasn't a Kickstarter stretch goal!
@durge12
@durge12 2 жыл бұрын
vince absolutely hits the nail on the head near the end with the commander-ification of standard. having standard sets just be a vehicle with which to dump more designed for commander cards onto players is SO detrimental to standard. you telling me anyone ever believed smothering tithe was meant for standard? and that was before eldraine and the brawlmanders being forced into standard. funnily enough, i reckoned they should've actually put out brawl decks each rotation if they ever had any interest in keeping brawl around. by only ever doing one round of them (dumping a bunch of broken commanders onto formats in the process) and never bothering with more, brawl really was the first time wotc was like "commander makes money, lets only ever focus on commander now- forget every other format, let them crumble because people only ever spend money on commander". the pandemic stopping in person events only exacerbated their loss of interest in any paper format other than commander. wotc interfering in commander beyond one round of pre-cons a year made every format worse (commander included) because dumping a bunch of barely tested bombs onto formats every month certainly doesnt improve them
@stropes.
@stropes. 2 жыл бұрын
The fact that they don't included MTGA redemption codes in packs or boxes is still completely baffling to me. I haven't bought a booster box since Eldraine and I would actually consider it again if there were redemption codes in there...
@Dawnfeethers
@Dawnfeethers 2 жыл бұрын
I actually considered getting a standard challenger precon thinking they had codes in them; I'm lucky I asked on the amazon store page before buying because it turns out they don't!
@PedanticAngel
@PedanticAngel 2 жыл бұрын
There are some good takes in this. As someone who used to play a lot of paper magic and spent a lot of time playing at local game stores' Friday night tournaments. I think you guys came up with good solutions to incentive people to play locally. I got back into magic through Arena and would love a reason to buy more physical cards and go into stores that would add value to my primary entertainment source. I think I am repeating the popular opinion as well when I say, I would love to have pro tour and more tournaments again. I loved watching the Star City table one camera and people who were better than me play the game. I prefer that to searching for a streamer who has both the skills to entertain an audience and play at a high level.
@TolarianCommunityCollege
@TolarianCommunityCollege 2 жыл бұрын
@calebgilbert1125
@calebgilbert1125 2 жыл бұрын
I am in the *exact* same boat. I’m *dying* to go play the Standard I know and love from the “good ol’ days”. (Maybe even back to Onslaught/Mirrodin.) I have no incentive to do so. Why bother? Nobody cares about Standard anymore. I come from a tight-knit community of Gen-X “long-haulers” ($80k+ worth of cards in my group.) They are all practically in mourning over the death of this wonderful game. That death was entirely caused by the watering down of the Standard format in favor of other formats. Standard was our life. The Life. Of Magic: The Gathering. None of us ever made it to the Pro Tour, but the **aspiration** was what made us open our wallets every time. Even as an 11-year old child, I managed to spend an insane amount of money on cards. Because I played: Standard. Standard was the prestige format. The adventure of trying to play in the most competitive (and most rewarding) format, was a roller coaster of intense emotion. Those games *mattered*. The entire hobby for most of us was: casual play during the week with your buddies to “test out” your deck. All in service to Friday Night Magic. It created a reliable revolving-door community of “love-hate” fans of the game. Standard used to be the “sport” of Magic. The “sport” for the nerds. You may not make it to the NBA, but if you study the cards hard enough and spend your money wisely… you might make it to the Pro Tour. When that aspiration died. So did the “cash cow”. Other formats are “fine”, but Standard has to be in the driver’s seat. Standard drove this game for nearly 3 decades. Now the “long-haulers” are **running** for the hills because they’ve amassed a lifetime in a hobby produced by a company they no longer trust and now actively despise, because WotC has slowly stripped away all of the appeal.
@calebgilbert1125
@calebgilbert1125 2 жыл бұрын
Of Standard. (Type II as it was called in my day.)
@rigbone1522
@rigbone1522 2 жыл бұрын
this is interesting to watch considering us pokemon tcg players are asking the same question about our game so much that we came up with our own commander format Gym Leader Challenge
@sentientwaffle535
@sentientwaffle535 2 жыл бұрын
Seriously? That’s neat! How does it work?
@aveen1968
@aveen1968 2 жыл бұрын
"I want nicol bolas in a top hat" WOTC: have ob nixilis the adversary in a pinstripe suit... works for me!
@DamonXWind
@DamonXWind 2 жыл бұрын
It's amazing how good Kenobi's green screen effect is. It's almost enough to believe he's really there and not in England
@danielbretado7660
@danielbretado7660 2 жыл бұрын
I always thought that Drannith Magistrate looked like pleasantkenobi. It's even white, his favorite color of magic
@1s2dl3
@1s2dl3 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe just make cards for standard. I love commander, it's my main way to play magic. I don't feel cards need to be designed for commander.
@AltroseSenar
@AltroseSenar 2 жыл бұрын
I feel the more they have made cards specifically for commander the more commander has been hurt alongside the rest of the formats.
@CromCruachTheElderK
@CromCruachTheElderK 2 жыл бұрын
I enjoy Standard a lot, especially recent sets. Like the Innistrad double one, Neon Dynasty, even New Capenna. And even then, after Eldraine and Ikoria rotated it already became plenty enjoyable for me.
@Midnitebhmn
@Midnitebhmn 2 жыл бұрын
Finally someone says that the "Commanderification" of standard is part of a broken gameplay and in people losing interest in the format. And since now there are an excess of products the Commander cards can be a part of them, while appearing very occasionally on Standard. I'll also note that the power balance between colors should be analyzed more in depth to balance the overall gameplay of the format.
@thomasvogel106
@thomasvogel106 2 жыл бұрын
I'm having Dejavu watching this intro
@scottcampbell9515
@scottcampbell9515 2 жыл бұрын
I am as well.
@ejmoreno270
@ejmoreno270 2 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure this is a re-upload.
@ramenkingcruz
@ramenkingcruz 2 жыл бұрын
I'm having dejavu watching this intro
@Ashen-Crow
@Ashen-Crow 2 жыл бұрын
Wizards so often forgets standards was CREATED for organized play, they're completely interdependent
@bk1ll
@bk1ll 2 жыл бұрын
The pro tours were much better a week or two after a set release. I enjoyed the "what did the pros brew up?" Even coverage was better when they got excited about a new deck or talking about pet cards now seeing play etc.
@Joseph125
@Joseph125 2 жыл бұрын
Audio issues can’t stop Kenobi getting into magic canon. It is his destiny.
@akumacode
@akumacode 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think Rosewater is making Wotc focus on commander. He hates commander. I think Hasbro needs to take their hand out of the cookie dough and make standard the standard again. Then make Commander Legends the annual commander product. Masters the annual Modern product that commander players can also participate in
@CorruptionAura
@CorruptionAura 2 жыл бұрын
Should be 3-4 standard sets a year, one main commander product(draft or precon), and possibly 1 other product (modern, Kickstart, other unique box). Then I might start playing when this game doesn't look like a straight cashgrab anymore.
@GrandDungeonDad
@GrandDungeonDad 2 жыл бұрын
Ok you got me with that intro. Vince does the fanatic eyes really well. Creepily well in fact :-)
@NeutralGuyDoubleZero
@NeutralGuyDoubleZero 2 жыл бұрын
Slow down the roll of products. Focus on quality over quantity. Stop trying to double profits every year instead of crushing standard players into the dirt of expenses until they get fed up and play commander/something else.
@Jonbitor
@Jonbitor 2 жыл бұрын
That's exactly why I don't play.
@CorruptionAura
@CorruptionAura 2 жыл бұрын
Even commander players are done with buying, we don't want to be forced to upgrade our decks every other day to remain payable. I want unique strategies and adjacent power not just strictly better ones.
@2ndLastStarfighter
@2ndLastStarfighter 2 жыл бұрын
@@CorruptionAura the speed and power creep has changed Commander too. The days of easily playing 8-10 turns are getting less and less. And frankly, I don't see any way they can slow this train down (looking at you Treasure tokens) !
@cantanker
@cantanker 2 жыл бұрын
Also, ban all the fuckin planeswalkers in standard.
@SirNarax
@SirNarax 2 жыл бұрын
You can't convince them to stop trying to double profits every year. That is their only objective as a publicly traded corporation and in fact they are legally required to do that. If stock prices sink, shareholders can and do sue the corporation. It is just the reality of publicly traded companies even if every single person in Wizards of the Coast cared and wanted to improve the quality of the product rather than the margins they can't. They are legally required to be apathetic towards the game and you. Vote with your wallet not your words, you got to and everyone that has a problem with it has to stop buying packs that do not meet our standards or they will never change.
@lucjanszulik7354
@lucjanszulik7354 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like since I came back to magic, right after release on Kaladesh, this is the most common question that ppl within in the community are asking? I believe that it wins with "are you paying +1"?
@thetimebinder
@thetimebinder 2 жыл бұрын
The Professor loves reprints so much that he's reprinting his content.
@leovaeg
@leovaeg 2 жыл бұрын
BUY SINGLES! (of youtube videos)
@sailordaigurren8225
@sailordaigurren8225 2 жыл бұрын
THANK you. I thought I was going crazy, but I was pretty sure this was a repost
@itstoddclark
@itstoddclark 2 жыл бұрын
Prof’s new deck box on the table threw me even more for a loop
@桜場娃夜
@桜場娃夜 2 жыл бұрын
Watching it again, I'm still impressed you are all able to realize the intro skit without bursting into laughter. PK is so into it, that's amazing.
@turbofrog_froggy
@turbofrog_froggy 2 жыл бұрын
Probably my favorite opening skit of all time. I literally spat out the coffee I was drinking.
@aceundead4750
@aceundead4750 2 жыл бұрын
I want to see Vince hit Urza with his car. Although Urza might just tear the car apart to study it?
@juliakarczewski8875
@juliakarczewski8875 2 жыл бұрын
I call that a win-win!
@theblackchapel9262
@theblackchapel9262 2 жыл бұрын
The scavenging ooze promo was how I started playing Magic and yes it was my first time in a game store
@grizzb6476
@grizzb6476 2 жыл бұрын
Wotc will never bring back sponsored events, the greed factor for profits won't allow for frivolous spending of wotc assets going forward. They've already removed msrp, increased pricing and reduced the amount of product you get for your money, cut the throats of the brick and mortar stores by selling direct to consumers with THE absolute worst order, payment,and shipping services ever (Secret Lair) with over a year wait time, and the relentless pace of sub-standard produced card sets, it's clear to me that it's now about the profit margin for a billion dollar company with no soul for the game the sell.
@pokeflora
@pokeflora 2 жыл бұрын
Kenobi is already in the MTG canon: he's Circle of the Moon Druid...
@prosamis
@prosamis 2 жыл бұрын
I genuinely think if they become very clear with their banning system, most of the issue of "but I put $400 for my playset of this op card!" gets fixed Imagine this: every time a tournament, gp or whatnot, happens and a card is showcased to be very obviously overpowered, the first thing people expect is "yeah that's definitely getting banned" Hell, YUGIOH does this to a great extent!!! I play yugioh as well as magic and a lot of the banning that happens is expected We see a card breaking the format after a tournament and we go "yeah that's getting banned. Not going to invest in it" And they do ban it And practically no one's sad other than the people that aren't aware that that's the culture But guess what, it's so frequent that it's so easy for even new players to know this Set. A. Precedent. And most issues get cleared!
@Xoulrath_
@Xoulrath_ 2 жыл бұрын
But then they can't ban Uro instead of Omnath and still sell packs of Zendikar to make money. Granted, I'm speaking specifically about the Modern format here, because I do think that Omnath got banned in Standard, but I don't know for sure because I don't follow it. With regards to Modern though, Omnath has become an absolute nuisance in the current meta. It isn't even that he is too powerful on his own. It's that he replaces himself as you play him, gives access to life gain and mana ramp in a format littered with fetchlands, and now also pitches to the Elemental Incarnation cycle. Wizards would rather ban old cards most of the time than to ever have to ban a new card from the newest set. So the Uro/Omnath money tribal piles saw Uro take the hit since Ikoria was already 6 months old by that point, and Omnath was the new shiny toy. So if the precedent was, "Hey, if this card becomes clearly dominant, it gets banned," that might help. But the reality is that there are fundamental rules ingrained into the current 6th Edition ruleset that arguably hurt the game worse than slow bannings, or banning around new cards to save face and, more importantly, make bundles of money. There are also issues with consistency becoming too high for all of these decks, even in Standard with the access given to cards that dig 5+ deep. Having 4 ofs for every format (but Commander obviously) drives up the cost of the deck, which keeps a lot of players away, but worse, it creates far too high a level of consistency for finding and executing your chosen gameplan. One of the easiest ways to solve both of these problems is to go to a 3 card max. It makes decks less expensive. It makes decks less consistent and should help with more varied play experiences. And perhaps best of all, it frees up deck slots to help with diversity of building, even within the same archetype. So although your idea of following the YGO banning practice could help a but, the reality is that as far as traditional 1v1 competitive Magic goes, there are a lot more issues than just how to handle bans.
@Nephalem2002
@Nephalem2002 2 жыл бұрын
Yu-Gi-Oh’s in an unplayable state.
@prosamis
@prosamis 2 жыл бұрын
@@Nephalem2002 it's very playable and the meta right now is really, really diverse Idk what you're talking about
@thatvillainjay
@thatvillainjay 2 жыл бұрын
This heavily implies that kenobi thinks Urza is a real person who is working at the wizard's HQ
@danielcrowley162
@danielcrowley162 2 жыл бұрын
There may not be an Anime, but there is a Manga! It's called Destroy All Humankind, they can't be regenerated. Officially licensed and detailing a story of playing in the late 90s (starting with 5th edition)
@shiningdust
@shiningdust 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Professor for allll those years of wonderful work. I've joined the channel and became a Patreon. I don't understand why I've been fired by Patreon but I hope they will help me fix this quickly. Thank you for your wonderful Snow Covered Island signed. When I received it, I was so happy, thank you you made my day. And yes Standard is broken lol
@ProteanScrivener
@ProteanScrivener 2 жыл бұрын
so glad this is back up, easily one of my favorite intro skits
@caterinagerbasi1594
@caterinagerbasi1594 2 жыл бұрын
big big problem I have with Alchemy is that a) the art is a big downgrade normally b) wayyy to wordy c) those cards dont allow for desicion making since they do everything for you.
@penguinwarcry
@penguinwarcry 2 жыл бұрын
As an individual player, cost is number one followed by the speed of turnover in sets coming out. I barely hang on to MTG at the moment through pauper and commander. With a time budget I look at every activity from the lens of how much will it cost me to start and how often does it cost me for the fun I'm having.
@nerrug
@nerrug 2 жыл бұрын
The finger slide across the desk @3:03 🤌
@doublee343
@doublee343 2 жыл бұрын
My god, this was the best opening skit of all time. Absolutely hilarious!
@krystalmcknight1834
@krystalmcknight1834 2 жыл бұрын
I am NEW to MTG (female at 38 years) - helps to destress my brain after intense uni study... Straight up - it seems like WotC are double dipping. I am about to purchase physical cards because I want to own them, but I cannot play them. Game stores in Australia have tanked (ignoring video gaming - which I have been all my life), to purchase - I buy from online game stores in Australia. WotC PUSH Amazon from the looks of it... I have NO idea where to really play and learn physical. So, Arena wins out. We drop money there to score cards to play, because physical is tanking (due to - less F2F stores). Arena - the CASH COW - not providing Arena codes in all recent physical packs. Again - I am so new - and all I can see is that there is little return. Prof - I am on board when you mentioned the codes - allowing players to opt for either game play (when it suits). Please remember - NEWB here. With a little more education - I may need to retract this comment. From a fresh perspective though, this is how it appears... This channel is by far my favourite to watch - even though I can't play (will need to teach a friend I think). Arena is fun for a bit - but... I don't want to grind a whole day just for a digital pack. Prefer to buy a physical pack (love the real deal) and have a code to have those cards on Arena... Cheers everyone! :)
@krystalmcknight1834
@krystalmcknight1834 2 жыл бұрын
ps - now to watch the rest - I hit pause at the 20.53 minute mark...
@krystalmcknight1834
@krystalmcknight1834 2 жыл бұрын
Oh gosh... further in... There is NO way that they will expand the team - because - that is an expense... They presently do not appear to have enough employed to ensure testing (happy to later ban - why... cha ching $$$). Forcing players to drop cards and pickup others. I will never play standard outside of MTGA. I would LOVE for MTG to become HUGE (again) - it looks like, I missed that boat. Best way to have this though - is to get arena codes in packs or decks. Yup, just like pokemon... They need to keep the physical game alive - but... maybe they are hoping for it to dwindle. WotC is bank-rolling its entire playing community. Yes - this is the capitalism world at play... but really? What about that 11% increase due to come in? I can justify a little of it - but... Is it WotC's wish to make this game elitist - and only for those with a high disposable income? They have scored HUGE profits - even through the pandemic. Something about all of this is really blocking me from getting too involved.
@aarononeal201
@aarononeal201 2 жыл бұрын
Prof said it best. The commander cards being forced into Standard is what is ruining the game.
@Flabnatz
@Flabnatz 2 жыл бұрын
One of the best parts of this is the fun socks on display!
@swordshaver
@swordshaver 2 жыл бұрын
vince somehow predicted transformers in brothers war with this skit
@Jaebird88
@Jaebird88 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic editing during the opening bit 😂
@shuffinginoblivion
@shuffinginoblivion Жыл бұрын
Kenobi and Crim as Jez and Mark. Beautiful.
@MaxMagic29
@MaxMagic29 2 жыл бұрын
please continue to make great content as much as humanly possible! love it all. maybe ask worc to do some reprints in an upcoming video lol
@itsholidaybb
@itsholidaybb 2 жыл бұрын
I really got into the game during "war of the spark" but had a mono black deck from like 2004... no idea what i was doing and never really got into it. I fell in love with control decks and the biggest issue with Standard is the sheer fact that it lacks variety in the meta. Each season that's come out since my good control decks have become unplayable due to rotation... the cards you need are super hard to find or they cost an arm and a leg if you're playing paper. To make a top tier aggro or ramp deck or mono white it costs nothing, but a control or jank deck on the same level, costs a lot more (more rares and mythics are required) if they gave control and jank more cards from the get go... standard would be amazing.
@sunrisecavalier2550
@sunrisecavalier2550 2 жыл бұрын
Whoever does the editing needs a raise
@Bobbyo2014
@Bobbyo2014 2 жыл бұрын
Vince's socks almost match Crim's hair and I can't unsee it.
@Audentior_Ito
@Audentior_Ito 2 жыл бұрын
At the risk of being crass, I do think standard inherently suffers from a few extra monetary barriers compared to commander & that'll always hurt it for casuals (like me). I'm much more willing to spend $30-50 upgrading a commander precon that I know will be playable forever than splurging to buy cards that'll rotate out. Even besides that, it's a rough sell to need four copies of certain marquis cards rather than just one. Part of the reason I enjoy standard on MTGA is not having to put real money in to keep up with rotations.
@turtlemaster17
@turtlemaster17 2 жыл бұрын
im glad prof makes content that represents the people
@Cherokie89
@Cherokie89 Жыл бұрын
I also came in at the Odyssey block. Apparently I'm a Magic boomer too. Great.
@pedrino321
@pedrino321 2 жыл бұрын
i think a big problem that exists is that paper magic is now mainly played with the same known playgroup rather than strangers (aside from drafts). in terms of standard, only arena is endorsed but you are forced to play strangers making rule 0 useless and getting burned out on when and what ban will happen. i play commander because on paper, our playgroup decides, not the company.
@MD-ru9rr
@MD-ru9rr 2 жыл бұрын
I hope there's an Urza Planeswalker coming out in The Brother's War so I can recreate the opening skit with my vehicles deck hahahah
@lukeholder2829
@lukeholder2829 2 жыл бұрын
Once I found an older arena code at my friend's house and he let me have it because he doesn't play arena. The code redeemed for a banned deck that focused on allrons epiphany 😭
@iamkennysp1
@iamkennysp1 2 жыл бұрын
Lots of people say that the cost of standard is a big reason why they don't play standard. But when standard was huge people literally said the same thing, but still played over Modern, Legacy etc. Pioneer is just as expensive as Standard was and people like to say its a cheaper way to play. Also just anecdotally, with the upcoming Pioneer Regionals, all other formats at my local game store (except EDH) have pretty much died off and now Pioneer is played twice a week.
@friendo6257
@friendo6257 2 жыл бұрын
I think the difference is that there are other options now. There are several non-rotating formats, commander is bigger than ever, etc. So people are just gravitating toward the formats that appeal to them. There isn't a problem with standard in the sense that there's anything to fix, the issue is inherent in standard. it's expensive and it rotates quickly. Most people prefer a different format.
@anannoyedpanda
@anannoyedpanda 2 жыл бұрын
We just prefer not rotating formats lol.
@iamkennysp1
@iamkennysp1 2 жыл бұрын
@@anannoyedpanda If that was the only reason Modern and Legacy would be a lot more popular yet they are dying off.
@snappycaster
@snappycaster 2 жыл бұрын
4:55 bill clinton right by profs foot is so funny to me for some reason
@xnevyn5578
@xnevyn5578 2 жыл бұрын
Ooh this is a reupload! I thought i recognized this. I didn’t notice any audio issues in the original...
@JTByrd386
@JTByrd386 2 жыл бұрын
I swear I recognize this skit, especially the "you have an in" part... did you do this before?
@JTByrd386
@JTByrd386 2 жыл бұрын
Oh, this is a reupload... this is what happens when you play singleton formats exclusively.
@AzureLupis1
@AzureLupis1 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but I think you were really close on that Vince. What if they made the token/ ad slot a wildcard sometimes for arena. They could then play with the lever of how often and which rarity without sacrificing anything else.
@owenboushel3494
@owenboushel3494 2 жыл бұрын
100% the best introduction skit ever!
@mastermike890
@mastermike890 2 жыл бұрын
Glad this episode is back
@almogdov
@almogdov 2 жыл бұрын
What we learnt this week is that Vince has a KZbin channel and a blue Ford Mondeo, but what he really wants is an Inn.
@CM13492
@CM13492 2 жыл бұрын
This will likely be lost to time but I have just got into magic and have been diving through TCC videos. As a new magic player I have really enjoyed playing with the current sets (felt much more manageable to start with a limited number). Learning decks through playing matches on Arena has been great. So far Mono-Blue Tempo, Azorius Soldiers and Gruul Werewolves have been the primary Standard decks that I have played. Now that I have started to purchase paper I feel more drawn to Pioneer and Pauper since they are non-rotating. While I have bought the paper version of my soldiers deck this is a deck that mostly won't rotate out and that I feel could be tweaked to be good in Pioneer. Not sure how much I'll stick with Standard following the next rotation as I don't find the Phyrexian cards aesthetically appealing. I'll give the new set a look through on arena but I will hold off on getting any paper copies for now.
@tdawg97
@tdawg97 2 жыл бұрын
As a new MTG player, I find it interesting that veteran players have been upset with standard and that commander has become so popular. I’ve been having a blast playing standard and I want nothing to do with commander because all these veteran players argue about how it “should” be played and it just seems toxic to me. I don’t want to have a 20 minute discussion become a game starts about power levels and this other stuff. I’m good, could care less about commander. But standard has really gotten me into mtg. And drafting is awesome too. I come from Pokémon tcg and there’s no drafting format and I find it fascinating.
@leress
@leress 2 жыл бұрын
I am a commander and pauper player, but it is still good that you found a way to play MTG the way that you like.
@SmugOcelot
@SmugOcelot 2 жыл бұрын
Hey, that’s great! Though I do play commander, I don’t see it as toxic, granted, I personally have never experienced the sentiment that people should play commander “this or that way”, but the reason why that’s a thing is because power level can affect enjoyment at a table. If two people come to the table with pre-cons, and then a third player comes with their teched out three color deck, and then the fourth player just comes with their two color casual deck: there is going to be a lot of groaning EDIT: And my problem with Standard is the rotation, and having to keep up with dozens of cards, it’s overwhelming to me, especially since I don’t really have time to look through all these somewhat boring new cards. I like eternal formats because I have more time to consider what cards and what decks I’d like to engage with
@tdawg97
@tdawg97 2 жыл бұрын
@@SmugOcelot I definitely realize that my situation with commander is based on my experience and that’s not everyone’s. Maybe I just need to find good people to play it with instead of the few toxic ppl I’ve meet. I just realized my comment came off a little aggressive and I didn’t intend it that way.
@tdawg97
@tdawg97 2 жыл бұрын
@@leress I think I just need to find better ppl to play commander with haha. Maybe that will change my mind. I just realized my comment came off a little aggressive towards commander and I didn’t mean it that way.
@leress
@leress 2 жыл бұрын
@@tdawg97 I didn't take it that way, I understand that some formats jell better with some people than others formats. It could be just the people you played with as well. I am more for finding ones own fun with MTG no matter the format.
@balangaz
@balangaz 2 жыл бұрын
I thought I had an episode as I was sure as I saw this before. Great excuse to rewatch the intro skit
@Nephalem2002
@Nephalem2002 2 жыл бұрын
I agree. There should be 3-4 Standard sets a year, one of which has shit mainly focused on Supporting Commander, but will have stuff legal for Standard.
@mathewdebol923
@mathewdebol923 2 жыл бұрын
I might sound like quite the boomer here, but I think the hive mind of the Internet ruined Standard. Arena and MtGO solve formats far to quickly, so there’s no real reward for brewing anymore. There’s no “secret tech” anymore, because games are fired through so quickly. I used to love tuning into the weekend Starcity Opens and watching gameplay. KZbinrs playing Arena is a poor substitute
@DrOmnipotent
@DrOmnipotent 2 жыл бұрын
If Urza ever shows up on office hours, he better watch out for Vince's car
@lordspaz88
@lordspaz88 2 жыл бұрын
Gettin' real Last Supper vibes from this thumbnail.
@SoftyDR
@SoftyDR 2 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure that I've said it before, but Circle of the Moon Druid, from Adventures in the Forgotten Realms, is pretty much Vince. He doesn't need to ask Crim to get in, he's already in (D&D, at least)
@OneCSeven
@OneCSeven 2 жыл бұрын
Looked it up and youre right
@big13O
@big13O 2 жыл бұрын
“It’s my destiny” i lost it so hard hahahaha
@Thomas-4222
@Thomas-4222 5 ай бұрын
23:00 100% if I buy a precon or deck it would be amazing to get it on arena as well and would definitely get me to play it
@hippie_4762
@hippie_4762 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure what people loved so much about War of the Spark standard, it was just Teferi's and Nexus. Absolute hell.
@williamsimkulet7832
@williamsimkulet7832 2 жыл бұрын
How to Fix Standard? 1) FREE, prize supported FNM. 2) A good core set (IE, checks & balances & good cards like Lightning Bolt, BOP, etc. & Tribal support) 3) Balanced sets.
@surfinggarchomp2820
@surfinggarchomp2820 2 жыл бұрын
Bolt is NOT what we need for a balanced standard.
@williamsimkulet7832
@williamsimkulet7832 2 жыл бұрын
@@surfinggarchomp2820 Bolt is okay ever few years. It makes 4 toughness matter, and makes incidental instant speed lifegain relevant. "What's that, you alpha struck and put me to 3, then bolted? I guess I'll flash in my 1/1 that gains me 3 life, then crack back for the win." My point is that a good Core Set should have simple, proven cards. Murder and Cancel get in on the low-end of power, Lightning Bolt @ (U) can get it at the high end. If you print Lightning Strike, players know they're not getting the best. But if you print Lightning Bolt, they know they're getting the best. So build your format around Lightning Bolt, don't bench it.
@surfinggarchomp2820
@surfinggarchomp2820 2 жыл бұрын
@@williamsimkulet7832 right now it would be terrible though. Mono-r would become pretty good, and it would give boros and grixis a boost they really don’t need.
@williamsimkulet7832
@williamsimkulet7832 2 жыл бұрын
@@surfinggarchomp2820 Obviously you need to design a format around Lightning Bolt being available. That said, mono red as an entry level deck seems like a good idea. Frankly it's backbreaking if you can put a +1/+1 counter on a 2/3 in response to their Bolt (lifelink or no), which opens up nuance.
@nilzero5686
@nilzero5686 2 жыл бұрын
Jokes aside, that one magic the gathering themed romance manga really deserves an anime adaptation.
@anannoyedpanda
@anannoyedpanda 2 жыл бұрын
Continue.
@ishgoon
@ishgoon 2 жыл бұрын
Standard required a more refined play-testing and curated mechanics. The excessive products release makes standard unattractive. Sorry to say but it got broken for profits.
@MagnusBrickson
@MagnusBrickson 2 жыл бұрын
Listened to this while pretending to work. I only play on Arena (started at the D&D set last year) and I 100% agree that physical products need codes for Arena. The ONLY reason I bought the two most recent Arena Starter Sets are for the codes, and those are still my only physical MTG products. I would buy more physical MTG if there were codes. I might build something and hit the local game stores, too. Just my 2 gil
@thomasvontom
@thomasvontom 2 жыл бұрын
I think the best way to fix the scene is this. Get rid of formats based off of sets. Have players reference some sort of market data. Like the average of Cardkingdom, channel fireball and starcity for each card in their deck. Declare tournaments to have a dollar maximim per deck. The first of every month the data can be reset. So your not having to check you deck every day you go to play. You could have tournaments from $20 limits all the way up to taking out a mortage on your home. Get rid of restricted list as well. With the dollar limit. Drawling cards from the entire history. The game would be more dynamic. So much more to choose from. Also as prices rise and fall what in each would change. So Penny dreadful but with very low limits to very high limits. Wizards could have a link on their site where you can go to get the average at the start of the month for each card. Not wizards setting price of cards. Just a place everyone can reference and be on same page. And cut sets down to 2 or 3 a year. Plus one creative set like jumpstart for example.
@PopoTCG
@PopoTCG 2 жыл бұрын
I like how the prof and pleasant kenobi let a yugioh character guest in their podcast
@edwinortiz1262
@edwinortiz1262 2 жыл бұрын
Playing standard is awesome right now. Feels like no matter what your playstyle is there's a way to play it right now.
@keenenp1997
@keenenp1997 2 жыл бұрын
"Here me out Pokémon had a anime "credits🤣
@Crash32378
@Crash32378 2 жыл бұрын
I think power creep comes into play when you look at new cards. Older cards should be the ban target if there are to be bans but one of the biggest things they can do to stop banning is play test the cards and if there is an interaction that runs away with the game (too powerful for example or infinite turns) put the new card into a set that comes out AFTER the old card is out of rotation for standard. No bans ever in standard this way.
@Chuubii
@Chuubii 2 жыл бұрын
I wish this was also audio only
@The_Foam_Smith
@The_Foam_Smith 2 жыл бұрын
I'm either having bad deja vu or did you post this kind of video before? cause I just remember kenobi talking about wanting to hit erza with his car and I'm like freaking out I'm being serious!!!!!!!! also love the content prof
@TheGMan366
@TheGMan366 2 жыл бұрын
Well done my friends😂 This was fun 👊😂😂
@rhysticbuddy61
@rhysticbuddy61 2 жыл бұрын
its the killer combo of product release frequency and the lack of synergy between MTG Arena standard play and in person organized standard play. I am not gonna spend like $200 to build a standard deck in Arena that I can't use in person or vice versa. I think COVID + Arena have made people choose sides regarding where they want to play standard and most people picked Arena for convenience
@carlwellington5078
@carlwellington5078 Жыл бұрын
I always wished physical cards had a 2d barcodes so you can just upload the to area.
@reckiuh
@reckiuh 2 жыл бұрын
No. Since 2011, the answer has always be "No". We need to just face reality. The game has outgrown the developers.
@jonahgoldmusic
@jonahgoldmusic 2 жыл бұрын
We've known it deep down lol
@thekraken7769
@thekraken7769 2 жыл бұрын
😮‍💨😔
@WitherFang
@WitherFang 2 жыл бұрын
I know it's an old episode, but this sketch is so far my favourite. Tbh, I rather run over Mishra with your car because that soul patch is horrendous... and because he was the one that tested the limits of the Ornithopter, and thus discovered the Caves of Koilos... and Urza is the more stay back and watch while Mishra is the fingering one... he was the one that reached towards the powerstone that contained Glacian's dormant spark and Urza tried to stop him, and thus broke it in twain and opening the portal to Phyrexia in the process. Also, Mishra invited Gix during the brother's war. He was always the easy manipulated among the two.
@nickmagazine1650
@nickmagazine1650 2 жыл бұрын
That thumbnail looks like a strange rendition of “The Last Supper”.
@ahoyturtle
@ahoyturtle 2 жыл бұрын
You know, if you were looking for someone with an inn, you really missed the Battle for Baldur's Gate set...
@SupaGrex0
@SupaGrex0 2 жыл бұрын
That's a nice shirt you got there, Crim ;)
@kainewilliams6424
@kainewilliams6424 2 жыл бұрын
Vince spouting about opening rare wildcards in place of a physical rare made me think, maybe instead of a whole pack, why not just give us wildcards in place of the tokens in packs but we could do like 1 in every 6 packs or so
@rcii7341
@rcii7341 2 жыл бұрын
Does prof. No longer upload these podcast to Spotify? Just curious.
@writerblocks9553
@writerblocks9553 2 жыл бұрын
When has standard not needed fixing? It’s always broken.
@corpsefoot758
@corpsefoot758 2 жыл бұрын
Because it always sells packs ;)
@Earcatchmusic
@Earcatchmusic 2 жыл бұрын
Loooove this intro so much i watched it again
@caseysmith7283
@caseysmith7283 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting how the decline of standard aligns with the rise of Arena. Correlation isn’t causation, but it seems likely the access to a format whenever you want on almost any device will lead to burn out
@Foxpawed
@Foxpawed 2 жыл бұрын
I call shenanigans because Standard was great all the way up until WAR, it wasn't until we hit rotation and then got landed with Eldraine just one set later that it became the albatross warping the entire format around it for the entirety of it's time in the format, and by the time that was over, it'd already been so thoroughly ruined by the stigma of stuff like Oko and Uro, simultaneous to the rise of Historic to replace it, then followed by Pioneer for paper, that everyone just drifted away from it once they had other formats they could play, especially when it was all they could safely play during the pandemic.
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