Can Talon With C-788 Be A Stealth Sniper Ship? | Star Citizen Ship Loadout Testing 4k

[@amigo3284]

That was a cool transition you did into the firebird! @6:58

[@cpt_foxyloxy]

Thank you

[@bricksample]

@@cpt_foxyloxy The C-788 is broken right now. It's a known issue.

[@chadillac3006]

You interact with your community and test like "Project Farms" (youtuber) for star citizen, you have gameplay to stats ratio and do things viewers suggest which is huge keep up the good work. Really honest review of you keep it up and you'll be one of the biggest Star Citizen youtubers you earned a sub from me.

[@cpt_foxyloxy]

Thank you so much, really appreciate your comments!

[@CY3ER]

I agree with him. Love your videos and personality. Keep it up! ​@cpt_foxyloxy

[@NozomuYume]

The only purpose of the C-788 in the past was its explosive effects to cause splash damage. In 3.23 it no longer causes splash damage, so it is now useless.

[@FloppyBurn]

**Good for ground support

[@ManonCrutches]

Old School

[@harabecswurveweathers]

It does still have the splash damage. The issue is that the round detonation range is 5M and the explosion radius is 4M. So it doesn't get close enough to actually apply damage.

[@NozomuYume]

@@harabecswurveweathers Check again, explosion min/max radius is now gone on C-788, and explode on impact flag is off.

[@andyandreson3989]

Pre 3.14 the C-788’s were so much fun.

[@CSULADONE]

C788 was a powerful weapon. Back old days with talon it could one tap some low hp light fighter like mustang.

[@Sparkp1ug]

This is my old favorite setup for my Talon, back when it was a newer ship and times were simpler in the verse.

[@Patch1xo]

Stealth range play is my play style so I’ve been loving this series of videos

[@GiGod2]

Great work Captain, thanks for the follow up, saved me some work with the C788 lol. I don't have a firebird so just going to strap those strifes on my eclipse for now to snipe the small ships and torpedo the big ones!

[@cpt_foxyloxy]

No problem 👍

[@ManonCrutches]

amazing build back in the day, JT used to befun with most ppl flying this setup

[@crawlie]

There's a ticket up on the Issue Council about the C-788 passing through terrain as well as not exploding on contact - I know because I did the same thing as you a few days ago when I saw the range of the gun :D

[@JohnDoe-tn6dk]

Thank you for the theory testing, saves me a decent amount of hours finding out the what ifs. Hopefully one day the stealth gameplay gets a great touch up, I look forward to them being in META

[@cookiebandit101]

Yay for 4am video uploads. The Talon and Shrike variants are some of my fav small ships due to design and concepts. If the Talon Shrike gets better shielding I may go back to it from my firebird. Also ballistics effectively do about half it's alpha damage to hull as long as shields are up. Keep that in mind.

[@D3LTA2]

This is incorrect information. Shields make no difference to ballistics anymore, the resistance to ballistics is on the hull itself. You can check the exact percentage stat on Erkul.

[@aioshan653]

foxy if nessecary you can leave sheilds in just power them off when you need to lower signaturre. good test though but yeah the hornet series has a glitched signature values cuase the ghost can mount 5 strifes.

[@cpt_foxyloxy]

yeah I am going to test this in my next video, but I found out, turn off your shield vs. Unequip your shield will yield different signatures.

[@RYCOPZ]

I played with your Sniper Sabre today. Then it hit me that you can apply the same 'as long as you can fire before they can see you' principle to make a missile boat into a stealth sniper....which means that the Talon Shrike can work. And a few more fun options, such as the Reliant Tana (6 strifes!) or even Freelancer MIS.

[@shawnwalsh3502]

That sounds like fun, but I don’t think a Freelancer is hiding from anyone’s radar lol

[@geronimo5537]

After reading the comment that inspired this video a full day before this video. Im really surprised you looked into it. I didnt believe the c788 had the range or ammo to be good with this build. Now seeing how this played out. How many other ships can be stripped down using less parts to possibly be a sniper build. challenge mode: testing multiple ship classes for stealth sniping ability.

[@LashlayDS9]

thats not how this works.. he is stripping parts off of stealth ships.. you need a specific signature reduction stat for this to work.. these ships have a -40% signature bonus, you cant just use any ship..

[@cpt_foxyloxy]

indeed, you can't use any ship for this stealth snipping build, only stealth ships, and my next video I will be comparing all the stealth ships in the game, stay tuned.

[@RunAroundGuy2]

I keep watching your videos for how these tests go. Glad your testing these ideas. So far favorite is sabre strifes. Sounds like a perfect counter to annoying pvpers

[@cpt_foxyloxy]

Thank you!

[@kobodera8261]

Interrestingly enough I tried the C788 with a F7A in pirate swarm yesterday... and at least for me it was completely useless. It was unable to kill anything... as I can see is the case in this video as well... I was not using them for long range bombing however, and what was interresting was that it felt as if the C-788 does not use the gimbals at all. At least that was the feeling I got... oh, and the ammo have been replaced with popgun blanks. Even when I did hit... with or without shields on the target, it was not doing any damage whatsoever.

[@cpt_foxyloxy]

yeah, I would say forget about this gun for now, until CIG do something to it

[@narfash-yt]

After the nerf, devs assured that the C-788 was intended to attack ground targets, with an explosion radius of 5m. Apparently they forgot about it, because in 3.23 AOE damage was removed and this weapon became useless.

[@SFlorianSabo]

I did some more testing (live). Once you are detected, you need to disengange until YOU loose there radar signature i think. I just sneaked below 2k range to my ERT target, a redeemer after a successful disengage, me in an eclipse. He startet shooting at me as i was around 1,7-1,8 km close to him. Shield off, IR suppressed but only far right option in the MFD (thrusters?). To be able to get THAt close in an eclipse opens up a lot more weapon choices :-) Trying Deadbolts now.

[@cpt_foxyloxy]

Great test, indeed, you have to fly away until they lose lock on you

[@TUROCK320]

i have some note on the Eclipse, i enjoy the gameplay on 3.22 with the new signature value. Apparenly the AI can destroy easily the torpedo with the turret Note : - [-( "Before engage or "fencing in" employ the full procedure ( retro thruster optionnal) : EM - turn off your shield (do not use the "STEALTH" mode from your MFD) - turn off missiles ( from MFD) - for tracking only. - turn off wapeons ( KERBIND - double tap ) or removed the lodaout ( turn on only for deploy DECOY or NOISE ) - turn off retro thrusters (x2) [720 EM both} - turn off Quantum Drive component (only after a QT (EM Sig increase by 322%) - Throttle & stick management : avoid speed variation and manoeuver. it is result in energy compensation, emitting electromagnetic signal IR - suppress Overall IR ( fonction avable from the MFD ) Surpress IR is affected by your coolers, currently they all have the same value of 10%. So if you have 1 cooler it’s 10% less IR and with 2, 20%. - Very important ! Enable your "Display Signature Values - ""Game Settings" --> "Emissions HUD - Display Signature Values" set to "Yes", then on the top of a ship's HUD, the IR, CS and EM values are displayed as two sets of numbers. You will discover you can quantify your stealth and reduce it with the observed ambient levels ( room system / nearby / counter measures / station and soon asteroids ). - Triangle management : FULL ENGINE )-] -

[@FreeFragUK]

I really need to get back into my Talon. I'm surprised its detection range is so high though given it's a light fighter and even then I think it was known for its stealth in the lore?

[@whoisj]

thanks, this saves me from having to test this myself

[@MatthewGleed]

The Redeemer comes stock with C788. They are so useless I wonder why even have them in the game.

[@variant78]

I saw you in the verse heading to GH

[@cpt_foxyloxy]

lol...small verse after all. o7

[@variant78]

@@cpt_foxyloxy I actually thought you were coming for my bounty lol got excited there for a bit.

[@juggz143]

The Talon Shrike has 2 size 2 weapons and 24 size 3 missiles, could use the exact same loadout as the Firebird.

[@permanent8387]

how lucky i feel :D i really wanted to see this on a talon.. too bad it was REALLY bad 😭 if you fold your wings, would that lower your crossection?

[@cpt_foxyloxy]

not sure if folding your wing can reduce your CS, but interesting idea there

[@Remebox]

Really like the idea that some ships could be used as stealth, and it doest have to use torpedos for that

[@alexpetrov8871]

Imagine full crew C-788 HammerHead ))) That would be a show, true gunship ) I remember these C-788, they are default guns of Redeemer and their projectiles do nice big explosion at the end of trajectory. Maybe some mechanic of it broken right now so they do no damage.

[@Bombastic0013]

I've seen that if you use Talon Shrike, you have size 2 weapons and you can use Strife weapon. But only 2 ports...

[@maxjergens]

Paladin ORG would love to have you flying with us.

[@cpt_foxyloxy]

Thank you!

[@justinhausaman2867]

need to show the spread on the pip and you would see the spread at 6k is pretty large, so probably only like 10% of the damage is being applied even if it hits the target

[@Bombastic0013]

Hi, it seems the C788 is bugged because first time you shoot you can hit the ship with shield and without shield when came back you can't. Maybe trying again other time on other servers and see if it happens again... It seems the best plan actually is to purchase a Mustang Delta and use the Strife canon. But do you tried to embark a quantum drive and power it off when you are on objective?

[@aiTheVulture]

I think in combination of distance of guns mounts, fire distance and target size. *Guns - Fallback Convergence Distance* matters a lot, i don't think aim assist change it at all. So can you retest talon, changing that setting (under game settings tab(first half of settings list))?

[@cpt_foxyloxy]

Good idea, however, by the comments of other playres tested the same weapon, it is currently bugged out, hope CIG fix that. I will be testing other weapons though.

[@Traumglanz]

C-788 Cannon Muzzle velocity 900 m/s I call BS on making this a "sniper" gun. Especially with guns in the game that have 1800 m/s Just use Omnisky like a normal person and enjoy your 3.3km range with 1400m/s and that should iirc work on a Ghost just fine, 3km was the line for those iirc. Now those Strife mass drivers are still pretty amazing.

[@Techie-oh]

STRIFE MASS DRIVERs on an Eclipse big ship murder

[@johnlesterr8927]

C788s have always been extremely buggy, as the explosive effect in most cases just decides to not work.

[@NozomuYume]

In 3.23 it has no explosive effect whatsoever, they removed it entirely.

[@johnlesterr8927]

@@NozomuYume That would do it, Either way, the weapon is massively underpowered and has been for years

[@geronimo5537]

I believe they are also not doing damage sometimes from perhaps hitting the max render range of projectiles?

[@johnlesterr8927]

@@geronimo5537 Frankly entirely possible, this game is held together with duct tape and prayers.

[@AviatorFox]

No, no, no. Wrong Talon. Use the Shrike with your S2 mass drivers and S3 missiles. Long range missile burst damage with the mass drivers to finish off a target. :D

[@Fennek_Kaipii]

Last time I tried this gun, the projectiles went through targets, even when stationary... Not even below 1km btw. and it also didn´t impact on a lot of planetary surfaces either... C-788 is bugged to hell...

[@Kazockas]

if the firebird acts like this. how would the regular sabee compare with a dimialr loafout.

[@johnbooth6975]

Great videos, keep them coming

[@RunAroundGuy2]

Also seems like the ammo is running out of juice at distance

[@scribblescrabble3185]

Now I want to have a shadowhawk

[@SharpEdgeSoda]

Did you see a post on Reddit perhaps? I want to see if it can disable the Quad Gun turrets on a Hammerhead. Pull teeth.

[@qutatron]

Great video! What type of missiles would You equip to the cutlass for HRT missions? Now i Have 48x size 1 taskforce, but I dont know i'ts a good choice.

[@cpt_foxyloxy]

Taksforce one is a good choice for size 1 as it has 14m explosion radius, if you run size 2, always rattlers.

[@qutatron]

@@cpt_foxyloxy great, thanks! I thinked about marksmans because 2000 m/s speed, but explosion radius (and quicker lock on target) is even better.

[@TrustSpiders]

I wonder how effective it would be to put 6 of these on a corsair.

[@strongback6550]

Conceptually interesting.

[@shrillyvr3270]

how do you get those numbers to show for signatures? noone has told me still at 2:45, i been trying to find out for over a year and gave up cause noone would answer

[@cpt_foxyloxy]

in game hit Esc, then go to game settings, just scroll all the way down, the 4th the to last option is called something like display emission signature, just simple set it to YES.

[@spcrowe]

I know it's all work in progress and we don't need to panic but some of the current weapon values leave me clueless as to why, or what they are attempting to achieve. It is certainly not anything near to balanced. Or even getting nearer towards balance.

[@cpt_foxyloxy]

same feeling here, they are in a wired spot right now, don't know how to put it.

[@Ecator594]

Awesome SC science! looks like the c788 is no good for ship sniping.

[@WethDeath]

how bounty must do stealth build?

[@nobodymr.nobody740]

hello ,can you try razor ex with strif mass drivers as anti personel ship ,its so small fast and steath.

[@nobodymr.nobody740]

I have a question , does it matter that your ship to be steath when you want to hunt people who are on the ground? I mean can they detect you?

[@cpt_foxyloxy]

The razer ex will be in my next video together with all the stealth ships, and as for ground target, I think it is best to keep your shield on, I think they can see you coming no matter what, and if those ballistics hit you, even inside your ship, you can get hurt, happened to me often

[@nobodymr.nobody740]

@@cpt_foxyloxy I mean somone who is walking on the ground it might not be that easy for him to detect you from like 3 kilomiters away , I mean it could be used to kill people who buy cargo in hurston and stealing their cargo.

[@Vessssssssssssssssss]

When 3.23 first arrived I tested a corsair with 6x C788's against some ert and emptied the entire magazine array with no kills. It wasn't a stealth test just a damage one and yea.. C788's are really bad and inconsistent in the little damage they do.

[@cpt_foxyloxy]

yep, indeed, I thought my test was wrong, but tried a lot of ships, they just do minimal damage. Not worth using right now

[@erickgallego2390]

Lol last night I was thinking in the talon, what about talon strike has lvl 2 weapons will try later, will last you all know. By the way inlike a lot the way you enjoy the game hope to meet you in the verce

[@cpt_foxyloxy]

Thank you!

[@DrKrail]

Awww the cannon is so bad 🥲 Can the mustang delta get stealthier than the sabre? It has stealth coating and could fit 4 strifes

[@cpt_foxyloxy]

Tried the delta at the end of this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/bHu3l5mqrtuXmLc, and my next video will be about comparing all stealth ships in game, so we will know which ship will be the most stealth one

[@DrKrail]

@@cpt_foxyloxy oh, nice! missed that part

[@divizia7]

taurus with c788s ?? Could you try that ?

[@divizia7]

or any ship with size 5 c788s

[@cpt_foxyloxy]

I could, but in the current patch, this c-788 is really nerfed to almost non-existent

[@Crius_o7]

does the shrike have size 2 weapon mounts?

[@cpt_foxyloxy]

Yes, and 24 size 3 missiles

[@jfa3019]

C-788 are completely broken right now and don't do any damage

[@MMORPG87]

This combo is what killed the c-788. it used to be really good back in the day. it wasnt even OP. the only reason it became a talon meta is cause they didnt give u any ammo worth a damn for anything buy c788. Who wants to use a talon that is sooo damn weak with only 2 s3's? even an aurora is a threat, and if u went s4's u only got 8 shots with EN and 250 balistics with gats. Atleast now we have more gat ammo ( we didnt even have the ADs back then btw)

[@regenbackwards1845]

The c-788 is bugged ! u cant use it in this patch :/

[@CecilMerrell]

It's a known bug

[@marcusmallia]

[@Desenrad]

It all don't matter because CIG buff ships for marketing preposes. Every ship will get a balance pass with MM and only skilled pilots will be able to do well in every ship.

[@ThunderbirdAnthares]

looks like this gun is worse than i thought... pretty disappointing result, but thanks for looking into it hopefully CIG will buff the underperforming ones soon

[@cpt_foxyloxy]

Indeed, glad we tested this gun and know that it is "non-existent"

[@ThatCK]

Get a buddy and put 8 Strife on a Scorpius.....

[@吳乃戈]

C-788 is used for killing infantry, not for destroying vehicle.

[@donaldtompkins1048]

WRONG Hurtling high caliber rounds with devastating velocity, Behring’s C-788 Ballistic Autocannon was built to punch through ship armor. Extremely durable with exceptional heat resistance, the “Combine” can handle a heavy workload that, even with the weapon’s slower rate of fire, makes it an ideal choice for taking on larger, less maneuverable targets.

[@Cyco-Dude]

Yeah, c788 is still i pile of trash; it seems to have lost it's distortion and AOE damage as well as just has terrible alpha for it's size, and the worst DPS of all size 4 weapons.

[@Legendary_Tales]

With ballistics, the damage falls off the further the round travels. It loses its kinetic energy. The Combine cannon is bad that way. Realistically, you need to be @ 6.25K or less to enjoy effective damage.

[@zerentheunskilled]

I understand why they would do that for balance, but in space it really shouldn't lose it's energy since it has no air resistance to travel against. It shouldn't even have a maximum range. It'd just keep going at the same speed until it hit something.