Can the Average Gamer See More than 60Hz??? NCIX Tech Tips

Part 2: • Can Linus See More tha...
Ever wondered how many FPS the human eye can see? We found an average gamer and put him in front of a 60Hz monitor and a 120Hz monitor to see if he could tell the difference in a blind taste test!
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[@TheFreezeChill]

How the fuck do you want to see a difference between 60 and 120 Hz if the game just runs 80 fps in "not-doing-anythjng"? That means the fps drop at least to 70-65 while shooting what makes a difference of 5-10 pictures per second. Just a robot would be able to notice that. You should have choosen Counter-Strike for testing...

[@GamerCheatsForAll]

Oh yeah, Counter-Strike, such a good testing game! /sarcasm.

[@Koolkid736]

GamerCheatsForAll what do you mean sarcasm? it WOULD be perfect.

[@GamerCheatsForAll]

Cody You forgot the "/sarcasm".

[@Koolkid736]

GamerCheatsForAll you forgot the "what do you mean sarcasm?"

[@GamerCheatsForAll]

Cody Its whatever you make it out to be. /sarcasm.

[@DerKrazyKrautGaming]

Do an episode where it's a console Peasant trying to distinguish 15 fps from 30 fps

[@THEisaacG]

haha

[@electricforest17]

+Der Krazy Kraut XDDDD

[@evilparadigm]

+Der Krazy Kraut Make a comment about consoles that isn't incredibly condescending. Yes I'm a PC gamer... and a console gamer.

[@GtaFreakZ]

+Evil Paradigm fuck off peasant

[@512mbofram5]

+Der Krazy Kraut anyone, wither it be movie fanatics, only console players, only pc players or someone who plays both can distinguish anything below 30fps (if having at least a modest reference point)

[@weirdwurstLP]

15 fps is obviously the most cinematic experience :^)

[@buildusarocket3410]

who ever finished bloodborne during the first week of its release definitely cant see above 5fps.

[@phantasiai]

Nah man, .01 fps is.

[@weirdwurstLP]

Jeffry Maiato PS4@1080p is obviously the most cinematic experience with its glorious 1 frame per universal life cycle. Im so thrilled to see what the next frame is going to look like, see you guys after the next big bang!

[@strandedcat8598]

1 fps is obviously the most slideshow-ish experience

[@harshupadhayay5520]

Console peasant

[@DamnitRoman]

This is such a pointless video.. what's the point of using a 120hz monitor if your GPU only gets 84fps while looking at the floor? He should have had 3 of those 680s in SLI..

[@philpyung4831]

That's what everybody is pointing out. It's an amazingly stupid test. Of course you can't tell if it's 60 or 120 if the framerate isn't actually going up to or near 120.

[@philpyung4831]

***** Switching the Hz makes no difference if the FPS doesn't go up too. IF the FPS went up to 120 from 60, and the monitor was 120 Hz, then ANYBODY could see the difference.

[@DamnitRoman]

***** You're new to computers, aren't you?

[@philpyung4831]

***** You can't see the difference in 60 and 120 Hz if the game is running at 60 the entire time. There isn't a difference. I honestly don't understand why you think there would be.

[@Ponlets]

Philp Yung I saw a difference in the 4K TVs from 60 and 120 FPS when I was at frys and this "cant tell the difference" crap is the same crap we had when youtube only hade 30fps video and PC gamers were all like YOU CAN TELL BETEWWN 60 AND 30 its the same thing with 120HZ and 60HZ you can but its because its not readily available to every one there will be nay-sayers like back in the 30FPS capped days

[@raph89117]

if you dont have the fps to back up that refresh rate its pretty much pointless to try and see the difference..

[@rundan8620]

yes thats true, how do we know if the game was consistently getting over 120fps the whole time.

[@littlearvin1641]

Yeah after all, it actually didn't even got to 90fps while it was still in 60fps lol

[@coco2960]

have a fps monitor? I think he should have put it up so we could know if it was consistent

[@miguelmsilva4112]

fps monitor?

[@RumblyGreenEarth]

Fraps is running

[@CagedWalnut]

>Telling him how to play the game >Average gamer the fuck is this

[@Vtrontv]

he is just guiding him so he wont waste much time roaming and figuring out. and he selected the one who don't have any idea about the game, its intensity,fps, so that we might think that he is guessing good b'cuz of experience. and he is a average gamer you can see his shooting and hiding skills !

[@mursie100]

wow, so guiding someone to a certain path is considered "telling him how to play" now ?

[@Vtrontv]

mursie100 i guess not

[@merrickx]

***** Then that wouldn't make him "average". The term we're looking for here might be "casual".

[@partygrunt64]

Merrick Smith Casual gamers are the average gamer...

[@endless8936]

"30 FPS = Cinematic" -Ubisoft~

[@ISXOVER]

Paulo Henrique "15 FPS = Photographic" -Ubisoft~ Unity

[@ianvids4867]

Andre Oliva "5 FPS = sliding through a picture in phone"

[@pezpeculiar9557]

Lmao that is funny xD

[@Dom-ue2qb]

Paulo Henrique Still made The Division trailer sexy as fuck

[@ktfjulien]

Paulo Henrique Well, movies at the "cinema" run at 24 fps. ;)

[@Raddishist]

If you couldn't see the first shot it's 120 120 120 60 60

[@Raddishist]

***** thx bb

[@Navhkrin]

***** How come you are capable of telling differance between 120 and 60 on a 30fps video

[@Raddishist]

Navhkrin No I just listened to the answers at the end.

[@Treblaine]

May have been 120hz... but was it actually 120fps? At the beginning you can see the game idling at 84fps.

[@Treblaine]

***** Timestamp. What are you referring to.

[@Treblaine]

***** You little shit. Only when he looks AT THE FLOOR! A single low res polygon... It fell back to barely over 60fps when staring at an empty scene with no allies, no enemies and no particle effect. You have a right to express yourself, but it is a privilege to ride on my comment, a privilege you have squandered. You are banned from replying to me, you and your children and your children's children! For three months.

[@F1zzzy90]

Treblaine Well, that escalated quickly.

[@Treblaine]

F1zzzy90 He was good troll. I think he had a good laugh out of it. PS: can you view his comments? I can but I don't know if that's just because it's my account.

[@evvo123]

I made this point on the next video where Linus tests himself. You're completely right, of course, and it's staggering how many people are utterly clueless on this. The test is rendered entirely redundant by the fact he doesn't run with a steady 120FPS+.

[@360ModsandHacks]

I'm pretty sure the "average" gamer has played battlefield before.

[@SingleMaltEU]

nope never,no time,gotta hit challenger in league of legends.

[@CouldUseARide]

Vanja Jablanski LOL

[@SingleMaltEU]

Nabil Miri Diamond 1 and climbing :) Challenger soon,sooooooon!!!

[@sttate]

Vanja Jablanski M8 I'm bronze 6 1v1 me I rek u. In all seriousness, I find it quite funny that some people think BF and CoD are the current 'big thing' when LoL is literally the most popular game of all time.

[@sttate]

TheMeow7410 Cheers mate.

[@locust7890]

Console gamers will never understand PC gaming. If your a console gamer, don't worry about FPS and display refresh rates. Your PS 4 or Xbox one is optimized for low FPS on TVs...

[@UneasyTortoise]

locust7890 i play consoles and also play on a PC u mad :)

[@brianmannion7097]

***** consoles are for people who want to buy consoles. get your head out of your ass

[@brianmannion7097]

nah just telling you how it is

[@MrKajjaGG]

locust7890 I wish your grammar was optimised for English speakers.

[@hawk_202]

Brian Mannion Dude many people play on both and most PC gamers PC's cant even hit 120fps on their PC anyway.

[@SamJamProductionz]

Love how he double tapped 'W' to sprint. Wonder what game does that??

[@Mebble]

+SammyJammy52 - Daily Gaming Videos! XD

[@babaganoush2314]

Minecraft

[@magzthepro]

What others said and A.V.A

[@paulandreasallik]

ouch xD

[@AzaPattaz]

+БОСНА ЈЕ СРПСКА 〈3〈3〈3 xD

[@AussieVR4]

I have both 120hz and 60hz monitors and I can tell you there is a massive difference between the two. 120 is much much smoother.

[@AussieVR4]

***** I couldn't recommend a 27 inch because I haven't seen one sorry. I have a BenQ ZL2410T its an older model but looks great. The colors aren't as vibrant as other screens out there.

[@obitoe3766]

If nobody can tell the difference between 60-144hz they're blind as fuck. I own a 144hz monitor. And I will never go back to a 60hz monitor

[@lekoro1]

and that's why i'm not going to get something more than a 60 hz monitor I cannot afford to upgrade my computer much so if I get used to 120 or 144 frames a second it will be difficult to player newer games that my computer can only run at 60fps

[@lekoro1]

^ exactly and anyway at the moment it seems that most devs are aiming to get 60 on the common high end equipment (7970 - R9 290X and NVidia equivalent) and not bother to think about higher frames leaving people on 120/144hz monitors stuck at what they think are sub par frames unless they spend loads of money on a lot of high end equipment tl;dr 120/144hz are still pretty much only available to people with lots of money because there are very few devs who try and make their game run at that on your standard hardware (I apologise for any mistakes or things that do not make much sense/ sound a bit strange i'm not too good at writing down what goes on in my head ;_;)

[@pentiumradeon]

***** so? its not like youre gonna live in a future where 60fps monitors are the only thing available lol or maybe you are a time traveller?

[@pentiumradeon]

***** you say the only thing stopping you is that once you go there you cant go back, its like saying i still watch tv in a 480i tube, because once you go 1080p you cant go back

[@pentiumradeon]

***** i am a tech-head, I know exactly what Im talking about, I would bet my money I know much much more than you do as I keep up with technology daily as well as own cutting edge equipment, as well as being an avid pc gamer, it is you who seems to be resorting to personal attacks for some strange reason, as you probably realize what an idiotic thing you said.

[@BirdEgg123]

A console peasant told me once that the human eye can only see 24fps.

[@bongogd1774]

Fucking idiot

[@bigbertha1445]

That peasant is indeed an idiot...

[@BirdEgg123]

***** and then he continued that 30fps adds motion blur

[@aski33]

hur dur pc is best

[@bongogd1774]

Starzski Yeah it is lol

[@raysian987]

he double tapped w to try and sprint... he has to be told how to aim by right clicking... he's either a really noobish gamer or is a minecraft player... (hence the double tap w for sprint).

[@raysian987]

***** oh no shit... Completely forgot about the "average gamer" part. My bad..

[@RyanSeeRolyPoly]

DimSimHunter ye but you do have to double tap to run in battlefield 3 ...

[@sudochamp]

Ryan mate No you don't.

[@SuperBeasto303]

***** yea you do noob.

[@sudochamp]

Ryan mate KingVicious93 Apparently you actually can. Sorry guys, Never tried double tapping W to run in BF3, lol.

[@klooger28]

When i got my 144hz monitor i tested 60hz 75hz 120hz and 144hz, and i could tell the difference between both of them. 144 and 120 were pretty close though

[@klooger28]

Connor Frost between 120 and 144 id be inclined to beleive you since the difference if any was so small i could hardly tell, but from 60 or 75 up to 120 was huge, i dont think i can go back to 60hz anymore lol

[@-morrow]

but i hope you your frame rate was at least past 120?

[@klooger28]

morrow ??? im not THAT stupid, of course i was testing it on a game where i can easily get 300+ fps

[@-morrow]

don't take it personally, i dont' know you and one can never be sure on the internet ;-)

[@klooger28]

morrow fair enough lol, just seemed a bit obvious to me :p

[@Daisuken92]

Back when Linus still used the porn music for the intro....

[@ChrisPC39]

I am a guy that never had more than 30 fps on my old laptop. I can with ease tell the difference between 60 fps and 120 fps. I am used to 5-10 fps or 120 frames per minute

[@PokeTrevor]

same! i feel spoiled with my new pc that can actually run csgo well

[@ChrisPC39]

Poketrevor It can even run KZbin without lag on 1080p

[@ChrisPC39]

Poketrevor What rig do you have?

[@PokeTrevor]

+sebi iozu same!

[@PokeTrevor]

+sebi iozu my old laptop was a pavilion g6 with an amd 4400m (it's so bad I gave it to my friend for free) and my current rig has an 8320 and a gtx 750ti. I want to upgrade to the 1070 when a 3rd party one comes out. I want blue so maybe zotac or gigabyte

[@asosa9502]

I just got a 144hz monitor today and it's nice. I can definitely make out the difference. Even on the desktop, the mouse seems so much smoother and real.

[@bipbong2906]

Just download more DPI

[@xXRenaxChanXx]

Nice. I'm still on a 60hz tv. Then again if I did splurge on an upgrade my system wouldn't push anything more than say, a 85Hz monitor tbh (such as an Acer which are actually pretty cheap).

[@Brutik5]

Can you tell difference without touching the mouse? By that I mean - by observation only, let's say in benchmark or something like that. In my opinion you should be able to.

[@reppy0757]

+Bruno Czech The answer is a partial yes. It depends if you're watching 1080p 120hz vs 1440p 120hz. There are a variations upon every test and the biggest difference is "feeling" in every test. But loosely translated and simplified, to notice, you need the FPS to be as high as the hertz to actually see the advantage. I'm running a 980ti on an acer predator xb271hu (I always have to google it to copy and paste because I love this monitor lol) and the difference is unfuckingbelievable both in sight and feel. But like I said. You need to specs to match or you'll "bottleneck" in the same sense if you have a shitty cpu with an amazing gpu. Or vice versa. All this shit comes at the price of $$$. Is it worth it? I goddamn well think so. I'll never play on 60hz ever again and am still trying to sell my triple Pavillion 23xw's lol.

[@Aimela136]

Considering that the game was running at 84 fps, also allowing for fluctuations in fps, this might not have been very accurate. It's better to test with a game that could get a constant 120 fps without any fluctuations.

[@lvnn2a]

like csgo ... and believe me fellas you will notice the diference even just by watching someone playing on 120hz/144hz ))) (of course if you play csgo a lot)

[@riphouse101]

for all the people that think they know some shit but don't,,, let me clarify something for ya ,,, frames and Hz ARE NOT the same thing,,, Hz - how many times your screen refreshes per second. FPS - how many times per second that your computer is building a frame this being said if your monitor will only go to 60hz its visually a waste to push more than 60 frames,,, but the more frames the more fluid your game will FEEL, but not necessarily look better. So more frames is always better, that is unless visual quality is more important to you than feel, and you have to sacrifice quality to get those frames, if not then turn up the quality and lose the frames,,, but if fluid game feel is important to you over quality then kill some quality to get your frames and this is the truth, thank you

[@scottmartin3679]

You are correct that frames and Hz are not the same it is possible to get a couple of hundred frames a second at 60 Hz but you must disable V-sync in advanced 3d options. Which as you said decreases quality in the form of page tearing (jittery frames). I wasn't trying to write a book on the subject, and I see how my choice of words could be rather misleading. However Most people understand all this already that are hardcore gamers, and the test was about telling a difference in visual quality between 60 and 120 Hz and With V-sync enabled for quality images, provided the graphics card is capable of sustaining the framerate of 60 and 120 with current game settings, at 60 Hz you are capped at 60 frames a second and will be running a constant 60 frames a second. the same applies to 120. So from that standpoint even though they are different definition wise, one still dictates the other in a quality monitor test setting, not so in a graphics card performance test, but that was not what this was, is where I was coming from. I know some shit or I would not have spoken.

[@Kenckaplus]

Let's do some math... If your frame rate is at most 60 FPS, then 120 Hz will look the same as 60 Hz. If your frame rate is at least 120 FPS, then 120 Hz will look better than 60 Hz. Likewise... Assuming you have a 60 Hz monitor, 120 FPS will look the same as 60 FPS. Assuming you have a 120 Hz monitor, 120 FPS will look better than 60 FPS.

[@michaeljamero5901]

Kencka fk I completely agree with you

[@Sevival]

Kencka fk wrong. Refresh rate means way more MORE than just fps. 120hz is generally always more comfortable to watch, doesn matter how high the framerate or if you're even gaming, 120hz reduces flickering and eyestrain, and adds up to the smoothness of fast images (by actually inserting frames)

[@Kenckaplus]

Sevival Are you saying that it makes a difference to view a still image in a monitor that updates its buffer 120 times per second as opposed to only 60 times per second? You are just changing bits for bits of the same value.

[@mattd6931]

Sevival The Flicker on the old CRT monitors was caused because each pixel blanked itself between each frame. Thus some people were able to SEE the blanking as a flickering on screen. Higher refresh rates negated that issue. Since activated LCD pixels do not flash on/off between frames, LCD monitors exhibit NO refresh-induced flicker, no matter how low the refresh rate. If you are looking at a still image, you will not be able to tell the difference between a 60Hz LCD monitor and a 120Hz LCD monitor. Noticeable differences only begin to occur when changes on screen start happening. You will notice the increased refresh rate then as smoother animation, because additional frames are generated - but ONLY when your graphics card is rendering equal to, or more FPS than the refresh rate of your LCD monitor. If you are running a game at 60FPS, on a 120Hz monitor, it will just display the same frame twice as long. (Ie. It'll 'paint' the same frame twice.) It'd be just the same as playing it on a 60Hz LCD monitor. Any effect you believe you're seeing is a placebo.

[@Kenckaplus]

Matt D Hey. Thanks for the explanation. So the flickering was indeed a problem with CRT monitors, then what I said only works for modern LCD monitors.

[@peacebewu]

I wonder why some people insist humans can't detect difference between 30 fps vs. 60 fps. I can totally notice it. Are they implying my eyes aren't real? #howcanmirrorsbereal

[@jaeger1123]

Well the human eye doesn't notice much more than 24 pictures per second, but unless the monitor is perfectly in sync with that you'll see a difference when changing the picture 60 times a second instead of 30 times

[@mubarak8840]

peace bewith u it doesn't matter if you notice it or not, one you're immersed into the game you can't tell or care if it's 30 or 60.

[@changwufei5]

If you want to test your theory run you hand back and forth in front of your face and watch the blur occur. Video games have to add that blur in post processing to simulate it on higher fps games. When playing video games do you want this.... no! could you imagine trying to shoot a blurry character darting across the screen. You would be livid not being able to make out things in racing games. So we humans in real-life can't see higher than around 24 fps but in a videogame, we wouldn't want out human shortcomings getting in the way of our kill streak.

[@peacebewu]

Are there actually any study which says we can only see up to 24 fps or so?

[@SciePhi]

30 vs 60 absolutely, i can tolerate 60, 30 makes me want to vomit

[@scottmartin3679]

As people have said before, the test is invalid if your not hitting 120 fps @ 120 Hz. If your game/hardware settings are allowing max of 85 fps that means most likely during action it is dipping to 50 - 60 range, if not lower. So for your test , he is only seeing the game above 60 Hz when there is no action, and when there is no action, there's no way to tell if its 60 or 85. But you can certainly tell 60 to 120 just by spinning a quick circle a time or two. Nobody would get that wrong 20 out of 20 times its that night and day a difference.

[@benster62]

The average gamer is a console gamer. And console gamers a used to 30fps and So 60 and 120 are both amazing. 

[@GameAFlame1]

more PCs were sold this year than any type of console. #pcmasterrace

[@akalion213]

Game A Flame Wait you mean like prebuilts?Were those gaming PC's?Because still like every console kiddie has a PC so that doesn't really mean anything :/

[@GameAFlame1]

no, gaming pcs

[@GameAFlame1]

i forget which article i saw it in

[@GameAFlame1]

i know, never mind

[@BlazeFirereign]

Anyone, absolutely ANYONE, who suggests that humans aren't capable of seeing above any framerate below multiple hundreds is talking shit. I can tell the difference between 60Hz and 120Hz just moving the mouse cursor or opening a window. If my computer boots up and for some reason the output's not set to 120Hz (happens occasionally), I can tell almost immediately. If there are people out there that genuinely can't tell the difference, they've either got really horrendous eyesight or there's something up with the way their brain is processing it.

[@Neosaigo]

The problem comes to people's definition of 'seeing' and 'detecting'. The human eye is capable of detecting much higher frame rate than what is currently available on the market, but no human eye can see beyond 60 frames per second except for people with exceptional vision. Detection is quick and broad but cannot handle too much detail, actually seeing is a bit slower and more narrow but allow for more details. From 1-30 frames, almost all people of normal eye sight can piece together each individual frames as a sequence in the correct order. 31-60 frames people can still do it, but varies depending on individuals. However beyond 60 frames while your eyes can detect the fluctuation, but you will not be able to piece the sequence together in order frame by frame. The difference between seeing and detecting is similar to having a jet passing by you really quickly, you will recognize something in the shape of a jet pass you by, but very few can piece together the details of what they saw during the fly by, often the brain has to draw on past experiences or sometimes imagination to fill in the blank, which is why eye witness testimony is not always reliable. In a FPS game for example, you can tell if there is someone suddenly appear from a corner, but you may not be able to recognize them as friend or foe till a fraction of a second later or sometimes longer, hence why sports and games often use colors to differentiate between teams (a shortcut for the brain kind of). Ironically that is also when a lot of people made a few shots before realizing it was an ally. There is detecting, and then there is actually seeing. The eye can detect incredibly quickly, but to actually see depend on the brain's ability to make sense of the information which is quite a bit slower, especially if it is new information. For known information and patterns, the brain can draw on experience to "see" more quickly. Monitors faster than 60hz works because of the eye's ability to detect, but technically that isn't really seeing. On the other hand, there are examples of people who can practice enough to use detection as vision, such as in martial arts and baseball, playing video game may also train the eye the same way perhaps. Military and Law Enforcement however goes about it the other way, which is trying to speed up the process of seeing through training instead of relying on improving detection since there is no friendly fire setting and no do-overs in real life. 120hz monitor for example allows for better motion detection because of repeated frames, however if I give you a slide of frame 61 to 120 and ask you to find frame 89 with 10 tries it would be mostly luck since you were not seeing the frame, you were simply detecting it. The funny part is neither side is entirely correct or wrong in this case, it is just people over simplified eyesight as a single standard.

[@BlazeFirereign]

Neosaigo Bullshit. So the human eye cannot 'see' anything above 60fps? Then explain the test where a bunch of fighter pilots were stuck into a room where an image of a fighter jet was flashed up for 1/220'th of a second (equivalent to 1 frame in 220fps). ALL of them not only saw that there was a jet, they could IDENTIFY what jet it was. That would not be possible if we could not 'see' much detail above 60fps. And no, not every single figher pilot has 'exceptional' vision. I sure as hell don't have 'exceptional' vision (I wear contact lenses) yet I can tell the difference between 60fps and 120fps. It's night and day to me. I've heard the same from almost every person who's ever used a 120/144Hz display. And I play better when my games are hitting that 144fps rather than 60fps. Your argument seems to be a very contrived one hinging around strange definitions of 'detecting' and 'seeing'. I'm going to have to ask you to cite some related research to consider it as anything other than 'bullshit'.

[@chillinchum]

***** After a lot of reading around and seeing other's thoughts, it appears that, when first shown the two different videos, a difference might be noticeable but most folks who are NOT Technophiles just can't tell exactly what it is thier noticing, even possibly to the point that they might say they can't notice anything, and it may just be to them the difference is minscule. Because of how varied dna and mutations can make peoples eyes see things differently, it seems incrediably unfair to say anyone and everyone can see 60 or above, even if there's the human potential to detect a bigger difference. It also seems insane to think that video frame rate and eye frame-rate can ever compare to each other anyway, video uses the effect gained from shutters to create motion without it creating a blur, but our eyes aren't shuttering when we see anything else, so we might be able to detect hundreds of non-video frames, but video frames? I'd say the jury is still out on that one. Everyone who I've ever heard say not being able to detect 60 or above frame rates is a sign of disease or bad eye-sight are the same people who are the tech junkies who have used a computer operating in 120 frames for years, and thus can't see anything else then it, they are really, really used to it, the rest of us are not. You don't hear anyone saying about the average person being able to see more then 60 frames outside of this angry techie crowd, and they are a huge minority.

[@BlazeFirereign]

chillin chum The average person has never seen content at framerates above 60fps, why would they claim to be able to see it? In any case, I'm absolutely not claiming that every human can - but the vast majority can. It's a much more subtle difference compared to the difference between 30fps and 60fps (which is most definitely visible to everyone who doesn't have awful eyesight), and I can definitely see that most people wouldn't see it first time. But it's one of those things - once you get used to it, you will definitely notice the difference and come to appreciate the improvement. It's not just a placebo efffect - if I plug my computer into a 144Hz display, simply by moving the monitor I can tell whether it's at 60Hz or 144Hz, and the latter is a LOT smoother. As for games...I suppose one way to look at it would be to compare it to SSDs. People who use a computer with SSD storage might not notice a huge difference at first. But once they've used one for a while and go back to a machine with mechanical storage, they WILL notice the difference in speed and responsiveness.

[@chillinchum]

***** I meant that, once they do see 60 fps content, that it's a difficult to tell, but I meant that for 60 and above, as in 60-144 is where it gets harder to see it, your only helping me support that. As for 30-60, yeah, that's where it gets wierd, varied, but generally a lot easier to detect. And I'm fine with 60 being standard, I guess, with the caveat that we can still try to emulate the look of 30 where artistic expression when it is desired, and yes, I am concerned about losing the "movie-like" look, since I'm not against games that are hybrids with movies, against some folks thinking we should divorce the concept entirely, which seems ridiculous to me. Besides, consistent framerate is just as important, if not more so, then where the framerate is specifically at. throwing you off when it changes suddenly is just no good. And, as per usual, due to the many amounts of dollars it can take to obtain, i do not want to *ever* get used to anything past 60, because I still want to be able to enjoy games even when they presented in some "sub-par" manner, this is the part that bugs me most about this:"Yes, come to us, so you can be overly picky and have to spend a lot of money like us for a nice novelty." Novelties wear off real quick for me, and are thus not worth the money, I'll watch it once at a tradeshow or a demo at an electronics store, but otherwise, I want to live cheaply on my games and play any and all of them, so, I say no thanks to PC crazy performance numbers.

[@Goblexter]

And console gamers try to find solace by saying 30 fps is perfectly fine.

[@samuelbullard8978]

I mean its fine if you always play with console. But when you always Play on a PC that has 60 fps or more it just isnt nice anymore playing on 30.

[@someone-wi4xl]

+Samuel Bullard so in short as long as you don't experience the real great gameplay with higher FPS you will be spreading some cancerous peasantry statements on the internet saying 30fps is fine

[@TakeoFR]

+someone Well, 30 fps is definitely fine. As Louis C.K. would have said it: "It doesn't make me cum, but it's fine."

[@someone-wi4xl]

TakeoFR that what everyone say before they experience high FPS trust me , i was just like you long time ago until i tried PC

[@TakeoFR]

someone Would you rather play a game in 30 FPS or wait a year before you buy it to then play in higher FPS? Yeah, higher FPS is better, but 30 FPS definitely does the job. Fine is an appropriate word for 30 FPS - for 120 FPS you have words like amazing. Trust me, when you played at about 15 FPS on PC, you learn to enjoy when you have 30 - not every PC has the latest graphic card.

[@gerryrivaldy4281]

120 or 60? Fuck it my PC can't even play bf3 more than 30

[@gerryrivaldy4281]

***** dude, it's 5 months ago

[@MicroageHD]

Gerry Rivaldy still u answered :P

[@gerryrivaldy4281]

MicroageHD Because i still get the notification on my phone

[@MicroageHD]

:)

[@Twiggy732]

Call me crazy, but wouldn't it help if the game were actually running at 120 FPS for the experiment? a 20FPS difference would of course be barely noticeable to the average gamer after 60.

[@vladasss]

You aren't crazy, it's just the author of the video doesn't know what he's doing.

[@------837]

such a blast from the past cannot believe almost 10 years ago this is what we were talking aobut with pc gaming.

[@frogdeity]

What should we be talking about? People still seem to think refresh rates above 60hz matter. Which is weird.

[@rohithkumarsp]

ikr? i started watching NCIX around 2011-2012, cant beleive its been over a decade

[@Xeno88]

can linus see 1tb of ssd nvme??

[@Dmarshall072]

I seriously don't get why he didn't put the settings down to medium to make sure the fps was always above 120 fps. Even when he showed the fps at the start it was running 84 fps a bloody long way from 120. Eurrghh this test was just annoying

[@BluePixelGaming]

I know this video is old but it wasn't the best game to test it on. That section of the game does make your FPS plummet so even if you were switching between 60Hz and 120Hz there may have been only ~10fps difference. You need to test it again on a game that your system can easily do 120fps. That way you can properly test whether 60fps and 120fps is noticeable.

[@sobekflakmonkey]

how is that a proper test though? giving it the easiest thing to run and then saying "Oh, SEE! theres a difference!" when in reality there isn't really that much of a difference, I think by just choosing a part from the game that you're going to be playing through anyway was a good decision...because those parts exist, and should be considered.

[@BluePixelGaming]

You not getting the point. The purpose of this test was to see if the average gamer could tell the difference between 60Hz and 120Hz. By using a game which is most likely only hitting 70fps doesn't give a proper result as when using the 120Hz option you would be getting 50 duplicate frames meaning that the end result it basically the same as just using 60Hz. To properly test whether or not the average gamer could tell the difference between 60 and 120fps you would need to use a game that your computer is capable of pumping out 120 unique frames. If it isn't then the test is pointless.

[@sobekflakmonkey]

Blue Pixel I dunno, I think the test is fine, I get what you're saying, you should watch the follow up video to this.

[@BluePixelGaming]

sobekflakmonkey I have watched the follow and although not perfect it is a better test of the difference in Hz simply due to the location he was in the game. Not much going on and in enclosed corridors meaning the in-game fps would have been much higher and the difference between the two much more noticeable.

[@matthewkinney5474]

Whatching this video in 2016

[@mopewoodie368]

2018

[@Belfor09]

Someone in 2019? Jees... Linus is so young here.

[@ParadiseDecay]

To help make the test better next time, maybe not talk during the test as this could potentially influence the players perception.

[@Echocookie8948]

Didn't think I would be seeing you here, PD.

[@minigunuser25]

"the human eye can only see (insert newest consoles framerate)"

[@JohnBoyM16]

The human eye sees in fluidity which is equivalent to 560 fps.

[@podgemcgrath]

I love that case, definitely using that for my next build.

[@jammm3333]

2:40 "We're on a budget here" ...He has an insane PC that he just showed off XD

[@alldatgamez1155]

At that time it was insane ;)

[@jammm3333]

true

[@mrbatistabomb2]

a 680 is still a great video card.

[@alldatgamez1155]

Phoenix21 Great, but not a beast :)

[@mrbatistabomb2]

AllDatGamez Yeah, I think that it can still play most games today at 1080p 60 fps on ultra with all the bells and whistles and kills high settings.

[@RobertWeatherall]

Below average gamer has never played Battlefield 3 -_-

[@NotJustYouNoob]

I think you've missed the crucial point here Linus. He did not notice any difference in the first 3 tests (60 Hz in all 3), but picked a different setting once you changed the refresh. Then after that once you changed it back to 120 Hz, he picked the 120 Hz. What you should have done is let him try it at 120, then 60, then only do the 5 tweets test.

[@engitect]

Its always good to see you Linus

[@KevTheGalaxybender]

I can't tell the difference between 60 and 120 because I've never seen 120 lol. but 30 from 60, it's a walk in the park

[@TommyMcD]

The eye is limitless when it comes to fps, it's the brain that can't process the images.

[@Crlarl]

To have more rigorous testing, you should have at least 10 test subjects playing for at least 2 minutes per trial and some would only get 30Hz, 60Hz or 120Hz while others get subjected to all or some.

[@MrWowpwns24]

Eyy linus nice video helped me consinder getting 144hz monitor seems cheap and you see so much difference on 120/144hz than you do with 60hz monitors... Also whats the ram light/cooler you got on your ram in video?

[@kaitran]

Who's watching this in 2017

[@mkb285]

ImNotCool not Prince

[@E27043]

ImNotCool me

[@maherminer123]

i am. video is still lit fam

[@kaitran]

Not asking for like anyway*

[@maherminer123]

ImNotCool ok

[@LarsCanFly]

I can tell the difference between 60fps and 120fps easy! I don't know how anyone else doesn't!

[@0UNTHINKABLE0]

you can tell , But can you see it ?

[@LarsCanFly]

Yep

[@TrollingDr]

you do know that he is talking about Hz aka the refresh rate of the monitor not fps

[@LarsCanFly]

The Hz is the limit of FPS you can see on a monitor, pretty much.

[@SolomanVandy]

TrollingDr Please don't speak unless you know what you're talking about, it makes for a better environment for everyone.

[@mrkungabe]

I feel great difference between a 60 hz monitor and my 120 hz monitor. it feels laggy and flickering to play on a 60 hz monitor.

[@luism8130]

NO way that pothead can see anything past 10hz let alone 144 with his bloodshot eyes, let me get in there coach!

[@consolidate84]

+Luis M haha i burst out laughing

[@monti7750]

+Luis M Im with you on the let me get in there coach but... Ima stay high af while I ace this task

[@user-tl4fi6oy8d]

Lol

[@filthyfantasist3880]

+Luis M Can't tell if Salty, Jealous, or Troll.

[@xLOVExGODx]

+Luis M LOL!!!!! Put him in COACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@Chrontard]

they are on 60_70 fps in da game testing 120 hz vs 60 hz? wake up

[@tikataka89]

hahahahhah true

[@Yerizzo]

I have a 75hz monitor and you can definitely tell the difference.

[@trevergrose7733]

I got a 75 hz too but after around 50 fps i do not see no lag but it may be me

[@benjmiester]

Trever Grose You would need to exceed 75 fps on a 75 hz monitor to see 'lag'. Really you would be seeing tearing or breaks in the image. Frames per second depend on their refresh rate's limitations. Each hz is 1 screen re-draw per second. So if you are redrawing the screen 75 times per second, and running less than 75 frames per second, you will not have any problems. It's only when your frames per second exceed the number of times the screen is redrawn per second.

[@Malz260]

you cant really see between 60hz and 120hz , but for me , I can definitely " FEEL " the difference between 60hz and 120hz , just the motion of the image and mouse tracking feels alot smoother and responsive on 120hz , but yeah , he is definitely an average gamer ~

[@MNation69]

Linus, I know this video is old as crap but did you ever do a follow up? Also, if you did not, would you be able to repeat the experiment with a few other parameters? I noticed in the video the game was 80+ fps, would you do a game or graphical setting with a locked framerates of say 200 fps to avoid frame variance and the possibility of framerate drop? also, maybe a gsync or freesync monitor could help eliminate variables? my concern is that the 120hz may not have a full effect under 120fps or if the frames aren't synced with the refresh rate. Thanks!

[@hymikins4663]

I'm glad somebody already pointed out that he's testing the difference between a 60hz monitor and a 120hz monitor at ~80 fps. I understand that the video description is "Can the average gamer see more than 60hz". If this were truly about whether a gamer could see more than 60hz, then it would make sense to get the highest frame rate possible on the highest refresh rate monitor. In this case he has a 120hz monitor, so it would make sense to at least match with 120 fps. It doesn't make sense to half-ass the frame rate when you're only trying to prove whether or not he can see above 60hz.

[@scooynilo]

From my experience I can say I do notice a difference, pretty easily too. For example, if I play CS:GO and snipe, its atleast 10x easier on a 120Hz monitor than a 75Hz

[@ThyTrueMaverick]

A glorious example that your mind always tricks you. You can't really see the difference, but you kind of want to see it, when you know you got a 120Hz monitor. Same goes with bitrate auf lossy compressed audio files. Saving this video for reference in future discussions about this topic!

[@marvinharbauer7068]

lol you must be kinda stupid. lets argue anyways: A glorious example that your mind always tricks you. You can clearly see the difference, but you don't want to see it, cause you can't afford a 120hz monitor.

[@ThyTrueMaverick]

David Miller You didn't watch the video, did you!? Or are you simply ignoring it, on purpose!?

[@BeethovenVanGogh]

David Miller "You can't afford a 120hz monitor"? I hate rich kids on the internet -.-

[@markotarma]

Don't even bother man, people with buyers remorse on these 120Hz monitors will tell you that a test only including one test subject won't bear any viable results, as if somehow the richer you are the better eye sight you have.

[@markotarma]

and with "richer" I mean have less bills to pay or have parents that pay for them. Was thinking of buying either a 120Hz or a 1440p, seems like I'll go with the 1440p.

[@yut3216]

The intro song sounds like 1970's porn music.

[@thomasmahase]

it is

[@sagewolf8528]

tech porn my bro

[@GamerZLogic]

Do you guys by chance still have this system laying around?idk why just seem to be one of those systems I like the most.

[@natasico]

I can totally see the difference between 60 and 120 Hz and I'm sure u all can.

[@cristhiansanmartin9680]

yes, it's really easy. En mi idioma, es sumamente sencillo, se observa la diferencia entre 60hz y 120hz almenos atraves de mi pantalla por los detalles en la creacion de la imagen en pantalla, a 120hz no se notan tantas diferencias o retrasos en dicha creacion, esto se observa cuando se estan realizando varias acciones (mover la camara, disparar, caminar) todo ello al mismo tiempo, en esos momentos es donde notamos cierta distorcion en la imagen, la cual a ir a mayor velocidad de refresco y una tarjeta capaz de hacerlo esto se disminuye en gran manera.

[@TheMuricanMerc]

I just switched to a 144hz monitor this weekend and I must say that I noticed the difference immediately. 60 is very smooth but 120 or 144 is way better for gaming. I can even do a test on my setup as I got a 60hz as my secondary monitor and my 144hz hooked to the same rig, so I move my mouse in a circle on one then the other. Very noticeable difference!!!

[@andrewboult848]

I got a 144hz monitor as well and although I can easily tell the difference between 60hz and (85, 120, 144) I find it a lot harder to tell the difference between 85 and 144. if you have the rog swift i prefer to run at 85fps with ULMB mode on to smooth the moving textures etc. Gsync really does help for games that drops the frame rate below that though

[@rainbowNickk]

Cool man , but i got a doudt, if i get a 144 monitor , will i notice the diference even if my framerate wont got all the way to 144fps?

[@TheMuricanMerc]

You will notice it. Windows desktop will always match your native resolution and frequency so you will notice it there. As for in games, you will notice the difference even from 60 to 90. It is just not as much of a change.

[@GregHakes]

Congratulations you just wasted a bunch of money for Nothing, Wahooooooooooooooooooooo!

[@TheMuricanMerc]

Greg Hakes #nope

[@therealsourc3]

If you upgrade your GPU, will the framerate go up independently of the screen frequency? What is the correlance between the GPU framing and screen refresh framing?

[@BM24DK]

The intro part makes the video look like something from the 90's! :D

[@Blackopsgod0001]

Shen Kai Or a porno from the late 80s

[@Robstrap]

Average gamer? Yet he dont know basic FPS controls, moves his head whilst moving it in game (Like people do when they dont play games much) and double pressed W to run. Defo a xbox 360 Minecraft edition player.

[@bongoboy9981]

average gamers tries to double tap w to sprint, doesnt know how to aim, and doesnt try E to interact first. this guy probably plays on xbox and never experienced more than 30fps

[@Infamouspoo]

were the settings on the lowest to keep the FPS at 120? because if it is dipping below 120 at times it would be hard to tell.

[@Cheepchipsable]

Sometimes you can't tell the difference until you go back from 120 to 60. If the system is pumping out steady FPS at a high frame rate, it could make it harder to determine also.

[@ThePerchable]

The fucking intro song makes me cringe.

[@BrainToMush]

Hahahahahaha! At least funk guitar is about a million times better than crappy ass trance music or douchy hipster bell kit jingles.

[@predgaming42069]

The Perchable yup me too! i thought wtf is this XD then i looked at when it was uploaded

[@nolphior6795]

Got an overpriced potato PC i paid 700$ for when it's actually 300$ worth ( Not kidding ) and play FarCry 4 with 3 fps. Others have I7 and Titan Z and play Minecraft.

[@Aaronlcyrus]

+Nolphior i have an i7 and gtx 555 that i overpaid 1200 for, what's your point?

[@georgfranko]

+Aaronlcyrus whitch gamer buy's pre build PC's???

[@Aaronlcyrus]

Georg Franko The kind that were only console gamers and had almost no knowledge about PCs. Without buying a prebuilt, i'd have never had a chance at learning how to build computers and what not. Sure it was overpriced, I admit that. But it has lasted me pretty well, and the information i learned while using it was worth more than what I paid. I am now able to help my brother in law build his as he too has learned a lot from the very same PC. It helped me convert him from consoles.

[@georgfranko]

I know that feel , my first gaming PC was a overpriced GTX 760 and a i5 with 8 GB Ram ....pre build too , sorry did not knew you were comming from console . Sweet that you are gonna help out your brother in law with his build :)

[@Goat-vr4cf]

Pleb

[@FeralGameing]

Been gaming for 17 years now (I am 21 and I play games since I was 4) And I can see the difference between 60 and 75 Hz on my monitor...I have this monitor from 7 years... I played everything from Pac Man, Super Mario and Tetris to World of Warcraft, League of Legends, Far Cry 3, Battlefield 3 and Assassin's Creed 4... Guess I am not an average gamer... but you know, we are all just humans... If I can see the differance, everyone else can see it too...

[@g1trashbag]

Linus your the man !!!! thanx for all the vids budd keep em comin o/...

[@Orcse]

this is dumb, when there is 70 fps ingame and he plays with 120hz noone will notice any difference over 60hz, 100+ fps is where is really makes a difference

[@josh223]

84 fps at 1920x1080 decent? 3770k? WHAT YEAR IS IT

[@leorunyan7462]

Great hair dude!

[@MikeRetroModz]

As a CS:GO player i can very much see if its 60hz or 144hz

[@ROGUESPIRIT_]

Helvecio Neto no fucking shit, there'd be no fucking point in buying one then

[@ROGUESPIRIT_]

Helvecio Neto you're a weak troll.

[@stab7576]

Lol

[@LPAmir]

beshj No he is right. You only get less tearing and thats it

[@ROGUESPIRIT_]

Counter them all you're an idiot

[@xdptwin1]

There is a complete diffrence between 144hz and 60hz

[@averagechannel5527]

Not what the video said. 😙

[@tomo9992]

Don't you have to be running 120fps to see/feel the benifits of 120hertz?

[@anton300640]

That is correct, but anything above 60 but below 120 will be noticeable too :)

[@JamesMichaelDoyle]

it was consistently above 60 fps, so you should have been able to see a difference. can you tell the difference if a car is going 60mph, or 80, or 90? and more specifically could you tell if it was going at 90, and slowed to 60? just because it was not maxing it out at 120 fps does not invalidate the point. it was a solid 80-90 fps looking at stuff, and spiked up into triple digits at floor. not a big deal. 90 is a 50% increase from 60, he should have been able to tell the difference.

[@spunkflunk]

the hertz rate isnt about FPS, it just makes the picture look smother when there is movement on the screen

[@Bigevilfishy]

If the fps cannot keep up with the hz, then having a higher hz is unnecessary. These comments make it seem like there is no connection between the two.

[@spunkflunk]

there is a connection but thats not the only thing hz is, 60fps @ 120hz looks much smoother and nicer than 60fps @ 60 hz. trust me

[@aza1498]

spunkflunk No. 120hz does display 120 fps.. trust ME as I have a 144hz screen and HAVE tested the difference. which means my screen has 144fps capability and also responds alot faster than a 60hz screen as it is refreshing more often

[@chrisk7863]

spunkflunk bollocks

[@chrisk7863]

***** bollocks,too

[@TylerSteven9]

was kinda happy to see the guy with the blue jays hat, guessing they record this in Toronto (or area) then?

[@NordicGameplays]

You should have gone with 60 fps first, then go to 120. He doesn't know the difference if he has never seen the difference before. You have to show him both, let him know which is which. Then have the blind test.

[@dasoultube]

No

[@DerikPiano]

No.

[@BANHMIZON]

No.

[@503technics]

Yes.

[@Neosaigo]

Well, on gaming it is not so much we actually see the difference between 60 FPS and 61 FPS, but it is the fluctuation and the disturbance in that fluctuation that we see. Meaning 120 FPS would effectively reduce the amount of fluctuation we can see on the screen as compared to 60 FPS. Basically going over to raise the minimum. In a perfect world where GPU always output at 60 FPS, no one can probably tell the difference, but we don't live in that world.

[@MunchMoar]

V-sync makes it constant 60 or 120 fps

[@Neosaigo]

MunchMoar It actually doesn't. V-Sync work by changing the timing between rendering and scan. The output of the GPU still fluctuates. Actually saying GPU can constantly pump out the same FPS is completely ludicrous. All V-Sync does is delaying the scan by repeating frames when the GPU cannot keep up to avoid artifacts such as tearing. However that leads to microstutter when the GPU dip below certain points or fails to meet the refresh rate of the monitor. You can lock FPS, but only when you are well over the limit, however that was never really V-Sync's goal. V-Sync was meant to address timing problems between refresh rate and GPU's output, but more as a patchwork solution that doesn't really address the root of the problem.

[@MunchMoar]

Neosaigo If the monitor response time is 1ms, we won't see any fluctuations if say the game runs at more than 60fps.

[@Neosaigo]

***** I think you've missed my point entirely. It has nothing to do SLI or xFire. What I am saying is that GPU doesn't output 60 FPS all the time. (What you usually see in-game are usually the average, not the actual GPU fluctuation) That is why people go for 120hz monitors and more GPU power in order to compensate for that flaw. I have a pair of GTX 780 ACX SC, actually I've been using SLI in more mainstream games that have good SLI profiles, but stick with a single GPU when the profile is not that good. Not sure where did you get the idea that I did not use SLI, nor was it the point.

[@Neosaigo]

***** Currently high frequency IPS monitor is not doable, the main reason being that IPS panel's focus is for color accuracy. Meaning for stuff like photoshop and video editing, it is obvious much superior to TN panels. Problem is IPS when raising the refresh rate start to lose their color accuracy. Some even become unstable and cause artifacts on the screen. Meaning until the day when IPS panels can maintain their color quality at a higher frequency, a TN panel is basically the only alternative when speed is required. People who hack the Korean panels to raise the refresh rate actually do so by sacrificing the color accuracy they had. Not the best of the both world, just a placebo effect based on personal bias. I have both IPS and TN panel and use them for different purposes, but of course the dream is always to have a IPS panel that can handle higher refresh rates. TN and IPS is not so much about "going back", just trade off one area for the other.

[@ValorantClipsAllDay]

It’s sad to see you’re recent video, so I came here

[@mandeftw6881]

when will you guys review the amd opteron 16 core processor ???

[@SgtJohnBambi]

The game was never running at 120 fps unless he was staring at the ground so i claim bullshit

[@dhkatz_]

***** The game was still never running at 120 fps

[@SgtJohnBambi]

Just judging by the initial test he was getting around 90 fps not 120

[@johns2975]

fps and refresh rate of a monitor are 2 compleetly different things. The card did't run at full 120fps but the monitor did. The monitor refreshes 120 frames every second so if the card runs at 60fps the monitor shows every frame 2 times. Annyway, refresh rate is such bullcrap and just a way to sell it and let people think 120 refresh rate is better. Above 60fps whe cant notice anny changes. thats why i recommend to always turn on v-sync if not your card will ALWAYS run at full power when not needed and generates alot of heat what will cost you you'r card to die faster. afcourse you can turn it off if you get belowe 60fps if you like it better and dont like the input lag.

[@evvo123]

***** Utter bullshit. Why do people keep repeating this crap? Do you have a 120Hz monitor? The difference is night and day, assuming you get a steady 120FPS+ in a game.

[@johns2975]

evvo123 :Source WIKI: The refresh rate (most commonly the "vertical refresh rate", "vertical scan rate" for CRTs) is the number of times in a second that a display hardware updates its buffer. This is distinct from the measure of frame rate in that the refresh rate includes the repeated drawing of identical frames, while frame rate measures how often a video source can feed an entire frame of new data to a display" The actualy fps of the game depends on your card, your card and monitor are synced at 120hz so when your card isn't done rendering it sends the same picture until its done rendering the next frame. and so on. So the monitor is showing 120 frames per second.

[@Goreuncle]

I own a 144Hz monitor and every time I use my other pc (which runs at 60Hz), everything feels very choppy, specially in games and also in the movement of the mouse cursor. This guy probably wasn't prepared to tell the difference, or it could also be that the game wasn't reaching 120fps. Also, frame drops and stutter can mess with the fluidity, not allowing an inexperienced user to realize what's going on. In any case, the difference is very noticeable in my current rig, so my answer to that question would be: People who pay attention to detail, will likely notice the difference, people who don't know what to look for, will miss it. Also, the application MUST be capable of achieving and maintaining framerates close to 120/144...if it tops close to 60fps, then there won't be any noticeable difference.

[@bjornotto98]

How can you get 144 Fps?

[@RaPiiDHUNT3R1]

+Lyrous Depends on the game and your system, pretty much any modern computer will be able to reach 144fps in CS:GO which is the main reason gamers buy 144hz monitors. And you're right goreuncle while he was playing he was probably dropping below 120fps based on the first part of the video and fps drops feel much, much worse at higher framerates, this was a really bad test imo.

[@bjornotto98]

Yes i bougut a 60Hz IPS Gaming Monitor because i know i wont be able to get more than 60 Frames in the Future and i dont play Csgo and Minecraft anymore

[@Lincolnator721]

+Goreuncle 144Hz? NASA wants their computer back.

[@prifun]

Hi, Do you recommend 60 hz UHD screen with 100% Adobe RGB or 120 hz QHD screeen with 93% Adobe RGB for gaming and movie watching? Both system will have GTX 1080 with G-sync and i7 -7820 HK processor.

[@dream.machine]

I have my laptop at 96hz. I already created a slew of videos at 1080p 120fps, and I watched them at 80% speed so the 96fps and 96hz match up. From what I saw, the videos looked like real life. There was authentic motion blur, no frames visible and it was VERY clear. It looks like you are looking through a window. I would say 120hz to 160hz is the sweet spot for bright light and 90 to 120 for regular viewing. I have a Gopro hero 4 black edition btw.

[@mellowmike4183]

This guy is trying to use e to uscope and double-tap w to sprint. Minecraft XD "Average gamer"

[@TheScorched4]

+Günter KZbin Channel CS:GO To be fair you can double tap to sprint in BF4.

[@ZPSBestProfileName]

+Scorched Gaming Yeah and only the noobs do that

[@TheScorched4]

ZPSBestProfileName I used to use both since I played a shit ton of Arma 2.

[@ZPSBestProfileName]

Scorched Gaming Well the logic being that it takes marginally longer to double tap sprint than it does to hit it once. By "noob" I really just mean someone who is either ignorant or doesn't mind losing out that 0.2 seconds.

[@TheScorched4]

ZPSBestProfileName I would usually only do it out of combat, still using shift to sprint in combat. Like I said it was just habit.

[@user-qx6pd6om2j]

Actualy the human eye can see up to 1000 fts but we generally stop caring at 500 fps.

[@joukovilander]

I can see 69696969666699966996696969699969669969996966969969 fps

[@embersaffron5522]

+90 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) ...Wait a second

[@someone-wi4xl]

+90 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) a scientist ?

[@user-qx6pd6om2j]

someone No someone who just gooogled it xD

[@AlexOjideagu2]

The brain sees not the eye

[@supervegito2277]

I do believe i watched this exactl video a year or 2 ago... now that i actually HAVE my own gaming pc im rewatching it.

[@dominicalkatib6819]

This video is finally relevant for console gamers

[@blakedies]

I've just bought a Asus VG248QE 24-inch 144hz monitor - which cable should I use for the best image quality and to make use of the 144hz??? HELP

[@MrWarpig18]

display port cable

[@quantumfrost9467]

Luc Greg Do you mind me asking a peasant question? What sorts of cables are there and what's the difference between them

[@MrWarpig18]

www.cnet.com/news/hdmi-vs-displayport-vs-dvi-vs-vga-which-connection-to-choose/ this article should be able to help you out

[@FSXgta]

ONLY displayport or dual link dvi support over 60hz. Make sure your gpu is outputting 144hz too.

[@NOSfusion]

Hmm, I'm pretty sure HDMI can support 120Hz.

[@DeadmanNasser]

if a Gamer Plays at 120fps most of the time he'll notice the Difference when a game is at 60fps... but put a casual gamer who didn't play alot of 60fps games "since Consoles doesn't have that much of 60fps games" he might not tell the Difference between 60fps and 120fps cuz his eyes are not used to it ... and then there is TV motion enhancers which go up to 120hz and beyond .. when enabled it can make a 30fps game have a smoother experience "soap opera effect"

[@qoki2244]

DeadmanNasser there is really only one case where higher fps makes a difference 1. If your monitor can handle it I tried playing witcher 3 on my 60hz monitor on uncapped fps and it went from 60 - 70, 75 and i could barley tell the difference. in fact, it actually looked worse at anything higher than 60

[@coolminer1231]

I need some advice, I’m just getting into Pc gaming and I have all my parts and the cost sit right around 800, I know need a monitor but have at most 200 dollars to spend on one. Every 144hz monitor I see at that price point have terrible reviews that either say washed out colors or broke very quickly, so with my budget would it be better to buy a more quality 60-75hz monitor or get one of the 144hz

[@duacarbieerkie]

If we can see such high frame rates with our eyes alone, then why do I see motion blur when I move my hand quickly side to side in front of my face? What FPS would be necessary to eliminate that?

[@SprunkG]

using vsync makes this comepletely useless, the main appeal of 120hz is that your aiming feels more connected to your hand, everything you do immeadiately happens on screen. Vsync with it's input lag completely negates that effect.

[@Calyx]

Agreed. As an avid CS and Dota player, when I first got my BenQ XL2411Z I really noticed the diffrences. However, I never really used vsync because my rigs couldn't really handle it and it would just kill the fps but since I built a beastly rig last year, oh boy. Now Linus also ran the game on ultra, on a single gpu. This test was very unreliable because the fps was anywhere between 60 to 120 but never steady 120.. Maybe if he put the graphics on medium, the test would be more reliable. But you can't tell the diffrence between 60 and 80 basically.

[@Calyx]

***** People that don't know shit about 'puters and just want everything to be ON or on ultra. Mostly.

[@Hwyadylaw]

Calyx Or people like me who don't like tearing

[@GaudyGabriev]

McDucky ^ That. I won't use VSync if I can help it, but between tearing and VSync, i'll choose VSync any time.

[@oscarbergner]

Back in the days you could use a tiny program called Refresh lock, to be able to run 100hz with vsync enabled. this isnt a problem for modern games thou i think. cause like old cs you got so much tearing from not using vsync. But hardware is alot better today aswell.

[@vapenation7061]

Your testing methodology was wrong. If the monitor displays 120FPS and you are playing with 84 on a standstill, it's not going to work.

[@vapenation7061]

Because?

[@amirmsaad1576]

+toyota prius memes because he said he's gonna change the settings to fit 120hz. And I love you Toyota prius and I love those ads

[@vapenation7061]

Amir M'Saad I missed that. How can this guy not tell a difference between the two? There is a huge difference between 60 and 120. I can easily tell apart 75Hz from 60, it's just more responsive and smooth. Thank you :P

[@amirmsaad1576]

BananiaMan™ k

[@justuslm]

Exactly what I was thinking, the difference is way too small to be very noticeable by someone who usually plays minecraft at 60 fps or less (since we all know how well it is optimized). At that point, what is going on on the screen has quite a big impact on the perception.

[@rknine7998]

*Interesting test.* Thank you for doing this test because it clarifies a lot of things. The answer is "no the player cannot tell the difference between 60 hertz and 120 hertz", since he only got 1 out of 5 right and 4 out of 5 wrong.

[@Adama.1]

I have a question. I play a game with 3 basic fps settings: 60fps, 120fps, and ''unlimited (gameplay)'' Now, my screen is only 60hz. But in this particular game, when I accidentally don't have it on ''unlimited (gameplay)'' I can really feel the impact. How is that possible?