Can the "BEST" CPU survive a simulation soirée?

[@jorgereyes7880]

cant wait for VR testing

[@damianp5888]

+1 on this :D

[@joeyladouceur3483]

+1 ON THIS AS WELL, plus to see a realistic triple 1440 and 4k scenario!

[@marcusr5715]

Would love to see it!

[@seb-kun]

I also wait for VR Testing. tho you can't use FPS as metric for VR. You must show CPU/GPU load and lower is better. This is because most headsets will force vsync to 90/120. Or even better, use openXR toolkit , record-stats feature and look at CPU render thread frame time.

[@triplej1614]

+1!

[@paderborner5213]

I'd highly appreciate if you'd do a VR test for the 9800X3D. Your way of benching VR is simply brilliant

[@rohitbeniwal8649]

Can’t appreciate enough the effort you put for these benchmarks exclusively for sim racers. Thanks a lot man!

[@SergejGrabun]

I like how you explain the graphs. I like the speed of your speech. Easy to follow and is informative. Can't wait for VR benches

[@MadMike991]

By the way, thank you so much for the effort with this stuff. No one else is really doing this in our niche community!

[@jassonco]

Perfect timing for my new AM5 7700X machine, that I have yet to bring online (iRacing mostly), that I built 2 months ago and I was debating on upgrading it to 7800X3D or 9800X3D, thanks for benchmarking!

[@funkyd04]

I've been ignoring almost every "test" of this CPU waiting for your take on this!!!!!

[@brilongenecker]

Same here. I only sim race and dont care about all the other benchmarks or fps games.

[@funkyd04]

@@brilongenecker Exactly 😂

[@Eonymia]

Why the quotation marks around test as if they weren't actual tests?

[@chrisracing81]

Great, thanks for this! Very nice to see LMU benchmarks on your channel 👍

[@lukepage72]

this is such a good video wow

[@nedis4]

Looking forward to those frames on time benches for IR in VR!

[@Carlos.Damiao]

Awesome as always! VR in iRacing is what I’m looking forward to

[@leonardo6002]

Great, thanks for the info

[@MadMike991]

I bought one too! Massive upgrade from my 13700 in iRacing. Huge improvement in AI and at race starts. Later in the race I’m limited by my 165 hz monitors, LOL (I’m maxed out since I have FPS capped at 164). Triple 1440 with 9800x3d and 4090.

[@justmejustme3042]

Your presentation and quality of production is excellent. And your explanation about CPU bottleneck with that one graph is even better than Hardware unboxed hour long explanation. Subscribed 🎉

[@c.chepre8452]

one of the best cpu tests that ive seen in a while thanks to the inclusion of gpu busy, a sub well deserved.

[@celsoskibinski3832]

Parabéns pelo belíssimo trabalho! Há tempo estava querendo ver um comparativo com os principais simuladores de corrida. Seu vídeo veio em ótima hora, principalmente no momento em que penso de construir uma nova máquina. Certamente essa contribuição será muito útil para os pilotos de automobilismo virtual. Celso Luiz Skibinski / Curitiba / Paraná / Brasil Congratulations on your wonderful work! I've been wanting to see a comparison of the main racing simulators for a while now. Your video came at a great time, especially when I'm thinking about building a new machine. This contribution will certainly be very useful for virtual racing drivers. Celso Luiz Skibinski / Curitiba / Paraná / Brazil

[@patino001]

Another well put together, succint, informative video. Thanks for the long hours and tiring effort! 👏

[@faisalalqhtani3942]

Keep up the amazing work actually first reviewer doing gpu usage that's amazing

[@benthecaptain7419]

So excited for this review! thanks for getting to the stuff that really matters... to me!

[@louiienation8497]

Duddeee, that 9800X3D is absolutely a must for triple 1080p. I thinks that’s my new upgrade!! Thank you for these benchmarks !!

[@tmoshamo]

I really enjoy these benchmark videos. To you or chat.....ive used triple 1080p 144hz monitors and currently a 1440p 120hz 49 inch monitor...looking at the charts, would it be noticeable if max framerate was say 200 and 0.1% lows were 90? Would i be able to tell on a 120hz monitor? Anyways, thank you for another video. Your hard work is appreciated. Peace✌️

[@BenchmarkOdysseys]

Good question: what is the minimum 'noticeable' frame delay? How does that relate to a monitors refresh rate and panel technology? How does triple screens complicate the scenario? Through my experience, my gut thinks it takes a big frame-spike (like +20ms deviation from average). Those micro-stutters with the 9800X3D were about 7ms and I could not notice them on 144hz monitors.

[@TheCuboidman]

I lile this video and how it was presented. Even if these games are not my cup of tea (but like other sim. games), they do present another side of cpu testing that i do not see too often. Deservs a subscription, bbye

[@RedSliceGaming34]

Now this is a fun test. Would love to see VR tests. 30 FPS difference on triples for alot of these games is amazing.

[@GT4tube]

Great video benchmark!

[@tonkatoytruck]

Running a 5600X3D I bought for $160usd with a B550 mobo and 16GB of memory. The deal of the decade. I will upgrade to AM5 once GPU prices drop more on the 7000 series. Thanks for the comparison. It is appreciated.

[@gaminginstilllife9429]

Are you doing VR testing that's like really hard to do cuz I have all these games but I'm really into VR

[@Riyozsu]

There would have been a bigger difference between 7800x3d and 9800x3d if you tested with 4090

[@MKIIUltRacer]

You should buy him a 4090.

[@sky173]

I went for a 7800x3D and walked out with a new mobo and a 9800x3D. Best thing I ever did for my computer. Combined with my 4070Ti Super, performance is mind-blowing.

[@philipgibbon4473]

I've ordered an 9800X3D, and it will be paring with a GPU that isn't released yet, like the RX 9000 series or wait for a completely know line up of GPUs from all competitors in the future.

[@NutellaCrepe]

What a monster of a gaming chip. Glad I stayed up to order one on launch day. Worth.

[@roderickkennedy2192]

You do great work sir, sim racing only benchmarks seem to be thin on the ground. Thank you from a 7700x, rtx 4070 user in the UK, just subbed too, thank's.

[@phatminhphan4121]

Nice review 🎉 i subbed

[@jouniosmala9921]

GPU may limit the framerate on average, but that doesn't remove occasional spikes on CPU demand. Let's put it in perspective. If you run a game at 300fps vs 60fps, and there's 1 second frame every 10 seconds. At 60 fps puts the cut off point for 0.1% lows around worst frame every 13 seconds. But 300fps puts worst frame around every 3 seconds.

[@dusan78]

The 0.1% and 1% lows results are concerning during the triple screen test. Do you think it could be the Windows 11 problem? Windows 10 seems to work so much better based on what I saw from other reviews. But, you said you dont notice any stutters so results don't match what you are actually seeing on screen. I feel they are crippling the AMD CPUs on purpose in windows 11 to close the gap between intel and amd. I dont know. But, I can't wait for the VR results as it's what I plan to use the CPU for. Once again, great work and much thanks! My CPU is still on backorder.

[@MadMike991]

I have the 9800x3d and in iRacing when CPU limited I have noticed FPS volatility (sudden drops/spikes) in the FPS # on the screen but I don’t notice actual stuttering because the FPS is still in the triple digits. So this does seem consistent with the bar charts. Running triple 1440 with 9800x3d and 4090. So this is sort of what I would call a “high class problem”!

[@dusan78]

@@MadMike991 That's not good. The graphs show even the 5800x3D (which is what I have) has better 1% and 0.1% lows in this scenario. What do you recommend? Are you also on windows 11? I dont like this problem.lol

[@MadMike991]

@@dusan78 @ Yes, Windows 11. But I’m telling you, it’s just a number on the screen, the FPS is already so high that there is no stuttering!

[@dusan78]

@@MadMike991 Oh I misunderstood. So you mean just the reporting for some reason isn't accurate. Not that frame time is actually worse than the previous gen CPUs. Got it. Maybe it will be brought up and fixed in the bios. This is after all first x3D chip of this generation. I still can't wait to see the VR performance. I have the 4090 and 5800x3D and didn't want to upgrade to 7800x3D as it was the whole new platform but, now I think it's the right time. I got the strix x670e-f board as it still all the connections I needed. New x870e boards looks like they went backwards.

[@MadMike991]

@@dusan78 I’m not saying that the FPS number is wrong, just that a drop from 160 to 140 or 120 is not as noticeable as a drop from 60 to 40 or 20. I think it’s a big upgrade from 5800x3d since this video shows that is similar to the 13700 that I had.

[@Busy_Child]

now we're cooking, glad youtube showed me this video

[@oroborus2063]

Thank you!

[@seb-kun]

Assetto Corsa 1 Vehicle Physics engine, is running at 333hz.. 1000/3, so that may be the limitiation.

[@starofeden9277]

so glad to find someone doing real wide screen i use to run the same setups and i bought a 9800x3d also whole new system you not the first person to notice those weird 1% lows..i have seen other channels also seeing it no idea whats causing it as long as AMD gets to see it ..they will bring a new bios/agesa code to fix it let AMD know about it to fix it pls show other games in wide screen setups.. star citizen star wars assasins creed there is many games to show i use to love playing widescreen triple screen setups..i started that back in 2011 i think

[@anonym8951]

Very good videos ❤ thanks I am using a i5 14600kf with a 4070ti on triple 32"@1080p and loving it. Will maybe update with the next big iracing update .. maybe 😀

[@ut2k4wikichici]

Thanks x3d benchtano

[@JAMESuk0007]

You got a subscribed from me sir great info.

[@imanny99]

Great testing. Really appreciate the time this would've taken. I know you show the 9800X3D with worse 1% and 0.1% lows even though the GPU busy is close to being 100% but not quite. Is your GPU busy number an average of the busy time throughout the run, or is it the max GPU busy? If it's an average, then it's possible the spikes are GPU busy pinging off 100% even though the average is lower.

[@BenchmarkOdysseys]

Interesting idea! Yes, the GPU Busy is an average throughout the run. I will investigate further :)

[@maed204]

Nordschleife on Raceroom is pretty cpu heavy

[@kaptainemerica1]

You're doing God's work.

[@louiienation8497]

I would love to see iRacing triple 1080p in the rain benchmarks with SSR HIGH.

[@Scalma_91]

Have you done any benchmark with VR?

[@BenchmarkOdysseys]

I've only done a league race last night, ran fine. I want to include VR benching in my part 2 (9800X3D vs 7800X3D vs 7600X)

[@BeachClub_1]

@@BenchmarkOdysseysThis would be appreciated a lot by the VR enthusiasts 👍🏻

[@radekzukowski2523]

Hey, maybe check also live runs for iR, ACC to see if the spikes shows up in those?

[@BenchmarkOdysseys]

Totally! I'm also going to try 24H2 as well, maybe that will help?

[@ammarbader3068]

If you own Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020, please benchmark it with 9800X3D single and triple (especially at 4K and 1440). I understand the GPU could be a bottleneck, but MSFS is a special case in this regard. Same applies to MSFS 2024, if we can see how it performs at release before any long-term optimizations take place. Thanks anyway!

[@RedSliceGaming34]

Not sure if you can but a BeamNG Drive test would be cool

[@seb-kun]

ams2/tripple spikes , can't check from a screenshot, but did you check if the spikes are corelated with GPU busy 100% , or just after, or just before ?

[@Cloxxki]

Great FPS in Automobilista 2. Is it inferior for visuals, or just a great game for lesser systems as it doesn't need as much processing power to be drivable competitively?

[@BenchmarkOdysseys]

Generally speaking, I think the physics are less accurate, it's certainly noticeable through the wheel and force feedback. The tradeoff is a bunch of inexpensive cars and tracks, and the AI doesn't murder the player like Le Mans Ultimate lol

[@jouniosmala9921]

And Zen5 weakness is probably anytime two CPU threads use same data on same core the other thread can only access it through L3 cache, previously L1 and L2 caches were the place for data sharing. And that's on purpose to prevent one security vulnerability all older CPU:s have. But it's kind of worse than that with Windows scheduler moving threads from core to core in same cluster. Generally optimized game will tell Windows scheduler okay this core is free for any task you want to give it when one thread has done its task. But now it matters a lot more that when those threads start again that they are in exactly same cores as before. And getting the AI threads running short bursts means they jump a lot around.

[@dylanmonahan5909]

Will be interesting to see if this is solved in the 9950x3D.

[@jouniosmala9921]

@@dylanmonahan5909 It's either software fix, that will help every zen5 or it's fundamental to core design and any fix is part of new core design in future generations. Probably best fix would be using something else than threadID as the identification which threads are allowed to touch the data in the cacheline. Basically having some kind of adresspaceID so multiple threads sharing same addresspace would be sharing the addresspace in cache also. However, just fixing Windows scheduler could mitigate the issue. Also it can be mitigated by actual game engine design.

[@Shenron67]

Hey, for the thing about Assetto Corsa being the limiting factor, maybe you could add the average gpu and cpu wait ? edit: or at least the gpu average wait when testing cpu, might be more accurate with the gpu busy%

[@fracturedlife1393]

is this pre 24h2 then? it massively increased my 1% lows, not that they were even a problem

[@BenchmarkOdysseys]

Correct, I have another SSD and I will prepare it with WIn 11 Pro 24H2 for AM5. Depending on the results, I may develop a video, or just make a post of bench jpgs to my channel.

[@Triple_M_Motorsport]

I understand why it's not popular to do triple 1440p/4K benchmarks but it's hard to estimate how big of a difference there will be upgrading from 7600x to 9800x3d in these scenarios. And what would happen while enabling different DLSS scenarios (quality, balanced, performance) in ACC. I've recently changed from triple 4K to triple 1440p and changed DLSS from performance to quality and gained like 20-30fps (7600 and 4070ti). I've been wondering how big of a gap there is and if it's worth to even think about upgrading CPU (can't afford GPU right now). Do you think you will do a follow-up video regarding solely ACC and different (higher) resolutions and DLSS usage?

[@MKIIUltRacer]

Yup was wondering the same. Ofcourse it makes sense to benchmark in 1080p to see the maximum difference between CPU's but many of us are playing in 2k. I've seen the Daniel Owen and Ancient Gameplays explaining why they test in 1080p but the majority of their testing is single player non racing games. An example why showing the 2k numbers can be useful to people thinking about an upgrade is when I went from a 5600X to a 5800X3D with a RX 6800 GPU. I went from having to fine tune settings (to get the best visuals) on the 5600X to reach 120 fps in ACC to just cranking everything up and getting plus 160 fps in 2k with the 5800X3D (34' monitor). That was a huge performance gain at a low cost (in terms of gaming hardware). I'm now on a triple screen 2k setup and mostly play iRacing these days. When I changed to triples I also upgraded the GPU and at the time I only had ACC in mind which works perfectly with my 7900XTX in triples. It does not work very well with iRacing sadly and am at times with downgraded setting strugling to keep above 100fps. I do want to upgrade both GPU and CPU. I'm still on the AM4 platform so upgrading to a 9800X3D is going to be expensive. Normally it would be more sensible to upgrade the GPU first but I'm waiting for the 5000 series nvidia gpu's and since I want to upgrade both anyway, might as wel just do the CPU first. Hope we both learn more about the 2k numbers soon.

[@MKIIUltRacer]

Just found out that Dan Suzika has a video up with the triple 2k numbers but only for the high end CPU's. It is atleast clear that going from a 7800X3D to a 9800X3D is pointless for 2k.

[@akozlowski1990]

Magnificent 16GB of Nvidia VRAM is limiting in AMS2 and LMU even on triple 1080p.

[@seb-kun]

using replay on some titles is not the proper way to test as on some titles during a replay, the whole physics of the player vehicle is not calculated but they just replay the position of the car/wheels.

[@BenchmarkOdysseys]

I appreciate the input. In all sims in which I use replays, I validate that it is accurate. Here is an example of the process: I run the race (AI or multiplayer) and collect performance data. After completing the race I benchmark the replay provided post-race. Then I save the replay, exit the sim, restart the computer, and re-benchmark the replay. If it is in with 5% of real-time, then I considering that accurate. Note that real-time race benching (like I did with AMS2 and LMU) introduces greater than 5% performance variability, especially with triple monitor configuration. The more time a dynamic object is rendered through a separate view port (ie: opponent alongside my car), the worse the performance. Also, the more instances my user input changes AI car position (ie: opponent close to my car) the worse the performance. Therefore, race replays are preferred because they generate consistent results.

[@CamaroWarrior]

I wonder if my RTX 3090 is bottlenecking my 9800x3D, I upgraded my PC from a MSI b550 gaming carbon, 5800x, 32gb DDR4, to the MSI x670e tomahawk, 9800x3d, 32gb ddr5 6200 but kept the GPU (RTX 3090) I ran game benchmarks between both processors with the same GPU, and I game at 1440p and 4k, I hardly saw a difference in frame rate between both processors they were similar or sometimes 5 to 10fps more on the 9800x3D. The only big difference I seen is in BeamNG with the same settings at 1440p, I went from an average 85 to about 130fps plus I noticed there is a small higher GPU percentage usage with the 9800x3d over the 5800x, but everything else hardly even notice a difference 🤔

[@EricK-fr9fe]

I completely understand testing at 1080p. I game on 1440p triples. So this benchmark is useless correct? You guys need to be more clear that a 40% fps gain at 1080p means nothing at 1440p….

[@johnpaulbacon8320]

Nice :)

[@traitretrudeau2367]

10:21 BINGO

[@joeyladouceur3483]

thanks again for another informative video, hoping to see a realistic triple 1440 and 4k scenario in the near future...

[@JustBenching]

Can you share the replay for testing purposes?

[@BenchmarkOdysseys]

I've been working on that. I think distribution would have to be through a Discord server, that's the 'cheapest' way to share, organize, and communicate.

[@Riku_9]

Can you do a test for the 9800X3D VS the 9950X3D test when it comes out too?

[@thomas1988de1]

Thanks for the benchmarks! Could this be the first cpu that enables us to play iracing in VR with dynamic shadows enabled? Not having them was always such a turnoff for me.

[@travnewmatic]

It made BeamNG actually playable for me :)

[@jouniosmala9921]

Can you get the data around the graph showing the frametime graph? Then you could use math, with some spreadsheet or programming to get different numbers out of it. Maybe try to calculate 0.1% low on time basis instead of on per frame basis.

[@paoloaman1808]

for now it's more than fine my 5800x3d+7900xtx. When prices come down I will upgrade am5 👍

[@dylanmonahan5909]

If VRAM is important to you (VR), upgrading the 7900xtx requires a huge jump (2x the price) to a 4090 or 5090. Such a pity AMD can't justify competing in the high end for graphics cards... even more reason for Nvidia to funnel everyone needing more than 16gb VRAM onto their Flagships.

[@hatray4540]

Noone having 4080 super or higher ll play on 1080p monitor :D they budget is way higher.9800X3D cost more that any good 4k monitors. So there is no audience for this type of tests. Is better to test 4K low quality for higher fps like 144

[@triplej1614]

Can we please get vr benchmarks with the 9800x3d and 4080 Super? Especially if you can compare against the 7600x

[@rohitbeniwal8649]

How much of a performance jump will I see from a 13600k to a 9800x3d with a 4080 on triple 1440p?

[@chrisc3825]

0.1% lows on 9800x3d: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h16UiGCMrbyaqdk

[@BenchmarkOdysseys]

Interesting!

[@CharlesDRACOULIDES]

Hi ! Thx for test ;) With 7680 triple screen, not need to replace my 7800x3d ?

[@jeronifajardo3182]

I’m on a 4080super and a 5800x3d with triples 1440p do you think is worth the upgrade, i have to buy new motherboard and ram to!!

[@MKIIUltRacer]

Tagging along as a fellow 5800X3D user.

[@tookyoudown1654]

Im gonna be in for a treat I guess upgrading from a 4790k 🤣 (VR)

[@khaos3433]

Togehter with the new 5090 the pimax super can come lol

[@matttheazn]

triple 1440 please

[@MRhankylolka]

9800x3d can run 5,5ghz😅. Look at der bauer

[@williamg2620]

my god it's here ♥. Will i upgrade ?? let's fine out in 24min !

[@BoomX22]

Today's world now they are calling racing video games simulator lmfao it's just a, fuckin game nothing else