The BEST CPU for Flight Simulation right now | AMD Ryzen 9800X3D Review and easy Overclock Tutorial

[@sky173]

Just purchased the 9800x3D. It was one of the last Micro Center had on their shelf. Can't wait to get it running for Flight Sim!

[@DutchGuy_Limburg]

My 9800x3d does -40 all core scaler x10 cpu+200 mhz with only 1,235V OCCT stable running it with 32gb Hynix A-die 6200Mhz with tight timings. This thing is a Beast...🤘🤘🤘

[@DansAirspace]

Wow! Guess I need to try pushing the chip some more :)

[@ThereisNOpandemicWAKEUP]

Don't use scalar it degrades your cpu. Is what people told me on overclocking discord. How are you getting 1,235V? I think my proc is below 1,2V at all time but havent really paid to much attention. Did you set a manual voltage? What precise voltage setting if so? I only did the +200 boost and negative curve -30 and seems stable... tried -33, -35 and -40 but all unstable.

[@cashykid420]

How are you able to get it at 6200

[@DutchGuy_Limburg]

@@cashykid420 Ram Speed? i got a 6400mhz kit

[@johnnydirect7815]

VR benchmarks?

[@stachowi]

yeah, i'm more interested in VR...

[@jayphi4095]

Me too

[@ShawnHinck]

It’ll be like 4k where there’s no real change because the CPU isn’t what’s limited.

[@deloford]

Good stuff thanks, I saw a review that showed in 1% lows, 8000MT memory had a big impact on FS over 6000MT, worth maybe doing a test!

[@testthepest6259]

Can you please do this for DCS too?

[@DansAirspace]

Hm, do you know how to get replays or reproducable scenarios in that?

[@jaeloo]

@@DansAirspace yes, there is a way to do it. Search for "Plazma Torture Map".

[@jaeloo]

Plazma's torture mapa its called

[@brandonchappell1535]

​@@DansAirspace its built into dcs, after every flight theres a debrief window, an at the bottom it says save track file, so save it, an replays same flight.

[@johny5400]

anything runs DCS

[@Bluth53]

Thanks mate! Totally appreciate your comparisons. Looking forward to your comparison which CPU is best for MSFS2024

[@florianmisof1988]

Nice Video. Btw TDI stands for Turbo Diesel Injected as far as I know :)

[@nabushdinosaure]

Thank you that was exactly what I was looking for. My 7800X3D struggles with LOD at 400 on photogrametric areas, it looks like the 9800X3D will be better, but not night and day. Let's hope FS2024 is better on the CPU than FS2020. Will definitely look at buying a 9800X3D, but it looks like there is no rush...

[@4FOGIDNI]

Great video quick and to the point!! I'd love to see more technical content like this surrounding msfs! You gained my sub! 🙌

[@marionetteworks]

I’m wondering if one of the future 9900X3D or 9950X3D chips will beat the 9800X3D for MSFS 2024 due to higher number of cores. I wish some developer with access to the alpha would do some benchmarks already. ;)

[@DansAirspace]

I’ll definitely try it out as soon s as that processor is available

[@Bojcha76]

Mine 9800X3D goes negative 25, with +200MHz boost. Best way to find that number is to check with AIDA Stability test. Also scalar x2 is enough.

[@Jamboliner]

Awesome video Dan. Really useful. Thanks

[@MK-mj6zw]

I am highly interested in your delid mod! Can you name the difference in temperature? And is the OC exactly the same, not better with delid? And could you explain the process you probably used to the delid die mate?! Most important for me: did you use any contact frame or direct frame? Or did you just put on the cooler directly?

[@DansAirspace]

temperature difference is about 20c. i just put the cooler directly onto the die. OC will definitely be better with a delidded chip - but this was just a quick and dirty 1min overclock that hsould work with any chip. you surely can push it further if you want to - even without a delid. for delidding I just 3d printed a tool :D

[@tphillips777]

Hey Dan, great to see the new Flight Sim channel. Would love to know how your rig is set up to switch back and forth Racing to Flight Simming.

What was the GPU you used for the benchmarks?

[@DansAirspace]

4090

[@infinite7633]

@@DansAirspace So on 1440p, THE BEST gaming pc can't get over 45 fps? game cost more then someone's fucking monitor optimized like that, I ain't buying it, nty The only issue iam having here is the performance and not a single mf is posting a proper benchmark for 1080p, 1440p, 4k performance on a mid range set up

[@johnpaulbacon8320]

Thanks for this very well done video.

[@andrewjackson5127]

Waiting to see benchmarks on MSFS 2024. So please do that ASAP on or after November 19th. I am building a new gaming tower and want to know if this processor will still be good in light of the fact that the Devs said 12 cores is the minimum for high quality.

[@DansAirspace]

I can do some comparisons with the 7950X3D - maybe that makes sense

[@Miserato]

Thank you. Very good analysis. Would be interesting to see similar on your triple screens with FSLTL running. I run it with 5800X3D and CPU is clearly a bottleneck.

[@sean8463]

what about 4k?

[@Rikus1978]

5800x3d?

[@GetRekkles]

This video is quite good, you have pretty much everything correct and on point, but you missing one thing that i would like to see. Can you utilize CapFrameX to record your FPS/Frames, then you can plot it and see raw FPS numbers which will show even more info compare to 1% or 0.1% / 0.2%. The 1% and 0.2% lows do not show how often the FPS drops. But if you use raw FPS value inside CapFrameX, you can see that. That should provide even more and better info as i said to see exact differences.

[@eracer1111]

CapFrameX is my go-to app for testing and tuning my flight sim system.

[@biturbo]

How many ram do you have guys to run that? I have MSFS2020 and 16 GB seems too low..........3800X CPU

[@pep98]

Hi, i have a question if i may. I finaly made the switch from xbox to a brand new pc. Now i have the "xbox version" on my pc. But tuesday i can download the 2024 version on my pc. Do i delete the version i have now before installing the 2024 version? Or do i need that and does windows overide the old version?

[@DansAirspace]

you can have both versions installed side by side :) I wouldn't delete 2020 so fast, 2024 might be buggy around release

[@pep98]

@@DansAirspace Thank you for the good advice!

[@JAnx01]

You should test the Ryzen 7700 and the 9700X with very fast memory and try tunning the memory as it can dramatically affect performance.

[@DansAirspace]

dont have those :)

[@Typhon888]

Did you tune the intel chip and tweak windows 11? If not, you are missing performance. Did u unpark the cores and disable PCI express power saving? And running Balanced mode with all C states on will give more FPS. I have like 5 i9's so I am not BSing.

[@Madblaster6]

9800X3D can get to a negative 40 on the curve optimizer. Well most of the ones I've seen and mine. It'll also help to set the Scalar to X10.

[@WhiteHawk77]

From what I’ve read you really shouldn’t go beyond x5 for the health of the CPU as that’s feeding it too much voltage.

[@wills.5762]

Only increase the scalar if you dont intend to keep the chip more than a year, it *will* degrade the cpu fairly quickly on x10

[@andreiloghin]

Hi Dan, what is the other Channel Name? I cant find it so please share a link. Thanks!

[@DansAirspace]

www.youtube.com/@DanSuzuki here you go :)

[@herbst8382]

And with the new Windows Update you get a nice RECALL Function.....

[@effemeseyevee901]

Hello sir, can you please, if you can do one for a PMDG product?

[@DansAirspace]

Do you expect it to be different to the fenix or fbwa380?

[@effemeseyevee901]

@@DansAirspace PMDG over NYC, 3rd party weather, traffic, etc., from my previous experiences, have been a good benchmark for me.

[@unotoli]

MSFS2020 is dead upon MSFS2024 arrival. Please benchmark DCS too.

[@hoodini6707]

great video, what is your exact motherboard and ram kit model?

[@nielscarp]

Great video, but where did you get that cool wallpaper?

[@DansAirspace]

haha, search for "firewatch wallpaper" :)

[@DansAirspace]

Found it: external-preview.redd.it/H0TLd1o87eeTorpjaV592f7zEMTizH53R4bjgSHypVc.jpg?auto=webp&s=7f6a3455d5528db575e2d86e74919fcd6f3e4d44

[@jonathonanderson8004]

@@DansAirspace I didn't make it that far in the game, one day I'll find the courage lol

[@postalou6802]

Thak's for retex !!! can you try on dcs ?? an may be in VR !! .

[@pantsgaming759]

frame gen works incredibly well on msfs

[@mementomori4972]

Have you changed something in your microphone setup? The sound quality is unusually bad.

[@DansAirspace]

hm... sounds fine for me. maybe a bit too much bass ... ill increase the low cut!

[@mementomori4972]

@@DansAirspace Yeah to much bass and a bit overloaded.

[@NoFame250]

NY und Bad Dürkheim - das nenne ich Heimatverbundenheit!

[@nunosantos2015]

When I OC my 7800X3D I can get 2 Frames less than in 9800X3D OC, but in VR is exactly same, zero diference.

[@DansAirspace]

you can't overclock the 7800X3D

[@jayphi4095]

You can undervolt it with PBO and so go higher in the frequency voltage curve it’s an indirect OC

[@nunosantos2015]

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[@marshabrightly1307]

LOL...in your dream...

[@nunosantos2015]

@@marshabrightly1307 In my computer .

[@alu2387]

If I had a 9800x3d, I'd try it with FSLTL ++ the injector at KLAX... with the 380. My 0.02.

[@tj0cktj0ck]

I agree the real test is on Vatsim, FSLTL inibuilds EGLL/KLAX with lots of traffic. Or with a injector FSLTL live traffic.

[@DansAirspace]

Agree, but I have no idea how to get reproducable results with that since the traffic is always different obviously. Unfortauntely it doesn't get "stored" within the replay.

[@tj0cktj0ck]

@@DansAirspace True. i guess if you have 2 different computers you can log in at the same time so you get same traffic. but yeah its a pickle :D

[@DansAirspace]

hm, worth a try. at least while sitting stationary at the gate or something, ill grab ini klax and check performance. will report back!

[@DansAirspace]

Ok so here we go, this is very taxing :D A380 at KLAX (inibuilds) with HD textures and 8K variant of the plane. Just sitting at the gate (plane fully ready). 7800x3D | 9800X3D OC No traffic on: 61 fps | 74 fps With FSLTL Injector on (default settings): 47 fps | 60 fps This is with frame generation on. If I turn it off I get roughly half the fps.

[@turbine.tv.1]

Thanks for video. have same cpu and rtx 4080 super, triple screens just in 1080p. can you possibly add the 2 extra windows and show your fps with the triple setup. or if you have, can you just reply with a percentage reduction of fps from single screen performance. thanks. so far i am losing about 50%. thanks again

[@aarrodri]

What motherboard are you using?

[@DansAirspace]

An older Gigabyte X670 Aorus Master.

[@mitcherry3663]

Kommst du aus der Dürkheimer Umgebung?

[@DansAirspace]

ursprünglich ja :D

[@jonorgames6596]

Umgebung? Ich verstehe nich was sie gesagt hat

[@nemisis_wolf]

Would Love to see a comparison with DCS World as it's far more CPU capped than MSFS as it's more a physics simulator than a flight simulator While MSFS is more GPU orientated! The 7800X3D is not as good in DCS as the Intel 14900 for example as the higher clock speed is better for DCS than the extra 3D Cache.

[@DansAirspace]

What would be a good scenario for this? Any good custom missions or something which are very stressing?

[@mnamnam6061]

Trapped. I had to decide, even that 2024 "was" another 12 days out. 10 minutes before sale start, I clicked on "buy". Now I'm happy to have a temperature problem😂 but still praying for the 19th😢😆

[@Aerobrake]

Bought the 9800X3D!

[@channelvr1293]

Msfs2024 will focus more on multithreading so hopefully this CPU will come to life. 🎉

[@ChrisM541]

And good CPU's below this ;)

[@deloford]

On my 5950X I saw a considerable difference on the 2024 alpha build, my 4090 was 99% utilised a lot of the time which I have never seen in 2020. It also felt much smoother, but I didn't do any detailed tests.

[@ChrisM541]

@@deloford Much more important would have been a comparison of CPU core/thread usage between 2020 and 2024.

[@deloford]

@ChrisM541 sorry I just didn't have time was having too much fun actually flying for the 3 hours I had it for!

[@aaricthewong5845]

@@deloford holy.... a 4090 at 99% on a 5950x generation is probably unheard of

[@danielpena-un8vl]

so what has been the max frequency stable that most have been able to achieve?

[@DansAirspace]

Mine runs absolutely stable at 5425MHz ... I haven't tried pushing it any further so far.

[@refhat1]

I currently have a 7900x with a 4090 playing in 4k, do you think I will see a great improvement?

[@concinnus]

Near cities tends to be CPU limited, so probably >30% fps improvement. Though you could just use Frame Gen instead if it doesn't bother you.

[@MrTeabag55]

Should I go for 9800x3d + 4070 TI Super OR 9900x + 4080 Super (same price) Would like to play 4k.

[@jonathonanderson8004]

I have 9800x3d and 4070ti Super, doubt I can benchmark like this guy, but initially quite a nice experience with DLSS and ultra settings even in New York. Wait to spend money on 5080 rather than the 4080 super. Trying to get Quest3 working over wifi right now

[@MrTeabag55]

@jonathonanderson8004 Cant wait a few more months, my current computer is 13 y old... Need a replacement. Wondering which setup will play 4k games faster between the 2 above.

[@jonathonanderson8004]

It’s likely the 4080 super by 15-20 fps

[@jonathonanderson8004]

I intend to sell my 4070ti super when I get my hands on a 5090. Bought for $800, will sell for $700. So thinking big picture, I would still recommend the 9800x3d setup

[@MrTeabag55]

@@jonathonanderson8004 I think I understand what you are saying. Unfortunately for me, I live now in a small town, no way I would be able to sell the 4070ti super used for only $100 less than I bough it. (in fact since it is a prebuild order, I wouldnt know the price). Thanks for all this info

[@Souscheff]

IM WAITING for gigabyte X3D boost . and 9900x3d im better off just saying on 5800x3d with these numbers

[@fredericgiraud3116]

Wich motherboard have you?

[@burre01]

I'm on the fence for joining team red till they are stable in Digital Combat Simulator, and clearly beating intel.

[@Alexkid30]

Great video :) very helpful !! I'm ordering the 9800x3D to upgrade from my 5800x3D. Can you share the model of your motherboard and RAM ? I'll get the same so I already have the tutorial for overclocking ^^

[@Aadilf1]

Which gpu do you have?

[@Alexkid30]

@@Aadilf14090

[@Eskoxo]

Thats ehhhh just 2 gen upgrade probably not worth it.

[@DansAirspace]

I use an older Gigabyte X670 Auros Master mainboard, I would probably get a X870 board these days if you want the best or what I would receommend: save some money and go get a good B650 Board. RAM I used is CORSAIR Vengeance RGB DDR5 32GB (2x16GB) DDR5 6000MHz CL30

[@sascenturion]

Interesting stuff ... Danke 👍👍 new subscriber

[@Maximum0815]

So the 9800X3D is better than the 7950X3D ?!🤔

[@dylan.dog1]

someone said that microsoft flight simulator run a little worse on win11 24h2 compared to win11 23h2 plus ryzen fix anyway from 37 fps to 45 it's huge gain it's 18% faster and 1% low it's 20% faster

[@MRS_.PERFECT]

I actually use a 7 9800X3D with Rx 7900XTX with 8000mhz cl38 ram in 1440p ultra and I got a really more fps than my old processor the 7 7800X3D

[@ObtainEmployment]

What was the rationale for jumping from 7800 to 9800? It seems way too soon?

[@MRS_.PERFECT]

@ObtainEmployment I play at Microsoft flight simulator I got 15-20 more on 1440p ultra

[@Taldirok]

​@@MRS_.PERFECT And you believe that 15 fps more is worth 600 USD? I also got a 7800X3D and although for people in need for a platform upgrade to AM5 for example it's totally feasible, but for people who already own a AM5 CPU and even more so a 7800X3D, it's a really really different story, objectively not worth the price for those people, unless you have money to burn to minmax.

[@MRS_.PERFECT]

@Taldirok I paid 550€ for 9800x3d

[@Taldirok]

@@MRS_.PERFECT Exactly, that's the thing, i paid my 7800X3D 330€.

[@yams900]

Good one, thx !

[@Adrian-lz5gc]

Don't think is enough for me to move from 7800x3d specially when I got it sale, we already seen clock speeds don't mean much in msfs thanks to 3d cache. Good CPU just not enough jump interested in 9950x3d and how well MSFS2024 is optimized to run multicore. 8core CPU for 450-500 no thanks

[@skyhawk21]

What no one talks about is how amd chips drop frames and stutters and is not stable with gpus at full load not to mention ddr5 compatibility bios issues and chipset issues in windows

[@DansAirspace]

probably because it's not really true. it definitely was problematic in the early ryzen days, not the case anymore these days.

[@jamesm568]

I got the 9800X3D for Microsoft Flight Simulator for now as I'm hoping this time around the 9950X3D will be more beneficial. If not, I'll stick with the 9800X3D instead. I wanted to go Intel since they seem to provide a better VR experience, but their CPU's didn't perform to my liking this year. You will not ever catch me using an AMD GPU though.

[@Deezorz]

for me 9800x3d gives WAY better vr experience than my previous 14900k.

[@jamesm568]

@Deezorz I'll let you know when MSFS2024 comes out as MSFD2020 is not really optimized for VR.

[@Deezorz]

@@jamesm568 strange. I got crashes in msfs vr on intel, but on 9800x3d it is perfectly smooth. I have a 4080 and play on all ultra with 100 lod in vr

[@jamesm568]

@@Deezorz Lol! MSFS just crashes period.

[@Deezorz]

@@jamesm568 never had any crashes tbh. Only on intel vr. never had any ctd's because I always change my modellib.

[@Twiggy163]

Be great if the damn thing was in stock too.

[@Hullbreachdetected]

2024 CPU guide: Games --> 9800x3d Anything else --> 9950x (or x3d when it gets released)

[@get_outdoors]

Thank you, just need to find a VR comparison 14900 vs 9800x3d now 👍

[@psour33]

The best CPU for me is the I9 14900KF, just because I don't use MSFS but P3D v5.4, FSX SE and X-Plane 11. They are mostly single threaded and hog the first core they find good or not.

[@ICEMANZIDANE]

what ? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 oh man, dude is living under a rock

[@psour33]

@@ICEMANZIDANE Hell no, I spent at least $10K in various addons and I don't want to loose them or buy them again.

[@Mailman_NOB]

Hmm--if it's best cpu, why overclock?

[@DansAirspace]

Free extra Performance:)

[@prussell890]

Forget about the fastest gaming cpu, you simply dont need it for flight simulators! My AW3225qf monitor is what turns the game onto a new level 😊

[@DansAirspace]

OLED looks AMAZING in msfs, I agree!

[@deloford]

I have 2 x 55" LG C2 OLEDs its amazing but trust me at 7680x2160 you definitely need a fast CPU (and 4090)! 😂

[@prussell890]

@@deloford you dont need a fast cpu for 4k at all. 4k is more gpu bound

[@deloford]

@prussell890 you do on flight simulator, as LOD goes up so does load on the CPU to calculate all the additional scenery. Ofcourse scaling is very complex and mostly GPU linked for resolution but it's not at all a simple GPU issue, that's why a 4090 will not be maxed out on MSFS2020 and yet the FPS is capped out.

[@prussell890]

@deloford yh ive noticed i cant even max my 4080 super on msfs so that makes sense. I was thinking of upgrading my i7 14700k to the 9800x3d but then I thought the cost of a new mobo and cpu will not be worth the fps gains (especially playing at 4k).

[@doltBmB]

any benchmark without traffic is worthless it's easy to get good perf without traffic on low end CPU

[@DansAirspace]

Posted this in another comment, but basically with traffic the gains are comparable: Ok so here we go, this is very taxing :D A380 at KLAX (inibuilds) with HD textures and 8K variant of the plane. Just sitting at the gate (plane fully ready). 7800x3D | 9800X3D OC No traffic on: 61 fps | 74 fps With FSLTL Injector on (default settings): 47 fps | 60 fps This is with frame generation on. If I turn it off I get roughly half the fps.

[@doltBmB]

@@DansAirspace frame gen is also worthless, it is just cheating the fps, so half the fps meaning about 20-25 fps even with this beast of a CPU it is simply an optimization issue with the sim and the only thing we can do is wait for microsoft to fix it

[@DansAirspace]

@@doltBmB absolutely agree!

[@LOOTLORD605]

Ze German Accent ist very klear.

[@pillepolle3122]

looks like the most boring game ever

[@DansAirspace]

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