Can the Celtics Be Trusted as Contenders? With Bob Ryan | The Ryen Russillo Podcast

Ryen Russillo is joined by legendary Boston sportswriter Bob Ryan to talk about Nikola Jokic’s impressive postseason, comparisons made between him Larry Bird, and why he isn’t accepted by all of his peers as the best player in the game. They then talk about the Boston Celtics, who have yet to inspire real confidence as a contender-despite easily making it to the Eastern Conference finals this year.
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[@Jacob-ey7mv]

Idk what changed but I love the fact Russillo and Bill are posting long form clips from the podcast. Keep them going

[@LaurentCourtines]

Podcasts have no methods for viral growth. KZbin algorithm is superior. Podcasts are so decentralized that it is VERY hard to break in. Podcasts have very loyal people, but its very hard to break in. People only listen to about 5-9 podcasts regularly. So you need to find different ways. That Bill is JUST ID'ing KZbin now is laughable. You could argue they should have been on youtube FROM THE BEGINNING.

[@dmacdaddywac]

It's called JJ Reddick.

[@JJ-Toreddie]

Bills inner boomer didn't understand the value. 😂😂

[@amc1140]

Their Spotify agreement must have changed

[@janicelgo4522]

I don't know why they didn't put videos on Spotify. My guess, like Rogan, they have a new contract and can put long videos up. When Rogan went to Spotify, my listening dropped significantly. I really like the YT format.

[@holstorrsceadus1990]

Bob Ryan is the best. I used to run into him around lunch time back when he was regularly on Around The Horn. Dude goes just as hard when he's talking about things that aren't sports.

[@GeronimoPlaz]

Oh I'm sure that's a real treat.... Oh god I just sprained my eyeballs

[@THECHIEF-1981]

Just found this channel. Awesome. Bob Ryan is a national treasure #FACT

[@pruney84]

The moment he said "I hate Dwight Howard" you knew it was LOVE from Ryen😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@dolphin7860]

The mad scientist of Boston journalism

[@ianwiseman611]

I can’t stand how people say that Jokic is out of shape. The guy is able to play NBA ball at an incredibly high level night in and night out and I never see the guy gasping for air or getting injured. Lacking a muscular physique doesn’t mean you’re out of shape.

[@je5406]

Jokic is one of the best conditioned guys in the league.

[@jamieyancey6820]

Also doesn’t have to dominate the ball to be effective which allows other to play at their best.

[@banparlous2552]

smaller players try like mad to bulk up where as a guy like Jokic is naturally bulky. It's his frame. genetics. but while others try to look the part, they really should be more concerned w/ playing the part.

[@lanceellis3863]

The Tatum hate is fucking sick

[@tatt4music]

It only comes from people that know nothing about the game.

[@slightexag]

@@tatt4music no. this season, his offense was among the worst of all the superstars, from constantly walking up court, to bad shot selection, to not playing to his strengths and constantly playing to his weaknesses, to playing like shit in the 4Q all this year, to being easy to gameplan against. he is a good all-star level player but he deserves hate way more than most superstars.

[@Jamaal1]

@@slightexagliterally none of this is true. You wasted time writing that bullshit

[@slightexag]

@@Jamaal1 1. he doesn't get to the rim enough and instead bricks 5-7 sidestep 3s a game out of laziness, 2. he's a 6'10 PF who lives behind the 3pt line, 3. he had the worst superstar clutch stats this year, 4. he walks up court 35% of the time+. which of these is bullshit and untrue?

[@hugh-jasole]

Not as sick as your meatriding. Why do you think all the dudes who actually played in the NBA who have shows now all day nobody is scared of Tatum? What kind of beast do you think he is, exactly?

[@tomeknaj]

"The Timberwolves allegedly bothered him for two games but that's all over now" Well, well...

[@michaelahurt]

I really don't think they bothered him much in game 6. He just missed open shots -- the whole team did. But KAT does a good job of getting into his space, especially his landing area and making him uncomfortable. I don't think it was a coincidence that we saw Jokic using the Sambor shuffle to try to create space vs dealing with KAT getting into his legs.

[@nerothelost9605]

There is still game 7. Jokic will kill trust me

[@johnnycash8567]

@@michaelahurtthey missed open shots but the defense was way more intense then it was the past few games. And even tho Minnesota isn’t great offensively, they missed a ton of open shots in the 3 losses

[@michaelahurt]

@@johnnycash8567 I completely disagree. I thought Denver was getting cleaner looks in game 6 than games 3-5. They were just making shots in those games. Murray made a lot of difficult shots, as did Jokic. The only real change for Minnesota’s defense was 1) they weren’t giving up Rudy on Jokic (but Denver didn’t force the issue either) and 2) they were better about keeping Jokic off balance with their doubles. The mix was better. Minnesota’s energy level was a little higher but they are, not exactly front runners, but definitely a team that presses down on the neck. They get extra energy when they have a big lead and can start yapping. Also Minnesota shot 35% and 39% in games 3 and 4. Game 5 (31%) they were below average but it’s not like Denver shooting 22% where they had a legitimately bad shooting game. (Btw I’m not counting garbage time in those shooting stats)

[@untexan]

Malone ejected from that game pretty early and Minnesota’s scrubs beat the hell out of Denver’s scrubs

[@PutXi_Whipped]

Celtics discussion 10:18 They attack the Celtics for their losses with different coaches and rosters instead of discussing this team and this season. Pathetic but expected from the NBA media in 2024.

[@PorqueNoLosDos]

Master class interview -- great perspective on the Longview of his profession. Ryan should be doing a history pod.

[@SantosPhillipCarlo]

No accident - Bob Ryan was a history major!

[@leopoldvonwinterfeld5801]

As a fan from Germany, it was actually Bill way back with the B.S. Report who made me check out Bob Ryan. What an absolute treasure and he's still extremely sharp. Great to see him and a good combo with Ryen as well but Ryen is also just teflon and gets along with everybody and that's a compliment! :)

[@JoeMama-tl4tr]

Bob has been with the Boston Globe since 1892

[@nedschneebly5424]

Brutal timing to have this release today after last nights game

[@bruisermoore]

Just watch it again after the next game lol.

[@bigredcotter]

Man listening to Bob list off players he hated was gold. Dying at Elvin Hayes

[@quiggs111]

Just love bob ryan.. another killer podcast

[@stephenl7756]

Bob is great at talking Celtics

[@charlechann2396]

The big advantage Denver have is Jokic and the coach over Boston.

[@jessejamesgames8148]

The Ant overreaction is insane.. dude has won 1 playoff series so far..

[@michaelahurt]

You're missing the point. We have a large enough sample to conclude that Playoff Ant is much more aggressive and weaponizes his rim pressure in a way that doesn't happen during the regular season. And when he does that it's really just him, LeBron, Wade and Jordan in terms of guys that size who have that kind of speed, first step, body control, strength and touch at the basket. You really can't overstate how big a deal it is that the only way to stop those guys from getting to the rim is to double them on the catch. It's the same as Steph's gravity or Shaq's dominance or Giannis' fastbreaks. That ability to completely and radically bend a defense to that level is the most valuable thing you can do because it means your teammates can play 4-on-3. It's really not an overreaction, he's just that physically gifted.

[@kennystar9075]

@@michaelahurtDespite everting you're said, most of which is true, comparing him to MJ right now is silly.

[@michaelahurt]

@@kennystar9075 How many human beings move like that? It's a short list. Can't help it if MJ is one of them. But that's kind of the point of why people are "overreacting" -- it's like Wemby. Those guys are actually just that special athletically. There aren't many guys who make other NBA players look unathletic.

[@kam_12_]

@@kennystar9075hes the same age as jordan was leaving nc and his rookie year with the bulls.. Jordan is the goat but anyone with eyes can see the similarities Ant has

[@johnnykilroy3026]

@@kennystar9075 Don't compare him to the GOAT blah blah blah, but since we are, we can admit that he is actually well ahead of the curve

[@bobqzzi]

Terrific interview with the OG Bob Ryan

[@jethrojacinto2798]

Finally some Celtics talk ☘☘☘☘

[@cam8868]

Are you joking?

[@RunningP123456]

@@cam8868 yes

[@TannerLikesStuff]

Bob going through players he hated was gold

[@Shootafam02124]

The Tatum hate is so real. They teally had to think about taking Tatum over Brunson. Smh. And saying that Ant is gonna be better than Tatum by next year is wild. I love Ant. But how is he better than Tatum? What does he do better than Tatum?

[@Henry-kv7zl]

Ant will be better at asserting himself in games consistently in the next year. Tatum needs a 2011 finals loss to go god mode. He can disappear or bail teams out with bad 3s

[@PutXi_Whipped]

@@Henry-kv7zlback on the short bus

[@Henry-kv7zl]

@@PutXi_Whipped I believe ant is more of a killer than Tatum I'll accept that it's totally a subjective thing

[@michaelahurt]

Like besides being a massively better athlete? Edwards is as special as it gets athletically. When he is being aggressive and getting downhill you can’t stop him. It’s like Wade and LeBron and MJ. Tatum simply doesn’t have an offensive skill at that level. He’s not Steph as a shooter. He’s not Jokic as a post player or passer. He’s not KD from mid-range. He doesn’t have SGA’s shot creation. He doesn’t have Ant’s rim pressure. He can’t manipulate like Luka. He doesn’t have Wemby’s size. He doesn’t have Giannis’ physicality. He doesn’t have LeBron’s strength. He can’t handle and finish like Kyrie. He doesn’t have Brunson’s footwork. It’s not hate it’s just acknowledging his limitations. Tatum is a very very good player but he’s very good at everything and great at nothing. He’s like a pitcher with five plus pitches but no plus plus pitches

[@Shootafam02124]

@@Henry-kv7zl is “asserting yourself consistently” a skill? How do you measure that?

[@JamesWilliams-eu5mn]

Love Bob Ryan, miss the sports reporters show

[@jammer9941]

Tatum has won 5 game 7s so its not like he's been bad in them

[@masstarvation]

People don't give him a pass when he got injured last year, but are quick to point out injuries when it's from the other teams

[@brianjauhiainen3954]

Fantastic!!!

[@jasonjackson3422]

I truly enjoyed this episode and the honest insight. Great job fellas. Bob is a GOAT, and always enjoy Russillo

[@michaelstover6778]

Albert Einstein

[@aron.gortman]

Just saw Bob is only 76, but looks about 95.

[@gsdavis91]

@@aron.gortman He's 78 actually. I'd give him 88.

[@TCRgalaxy]

actually hes 79🤪 time is a construct🙃

[@giozapata]

respect him bru he’s a legend smh

[@kam_12_]

@@giozapatafaxx hes been around the game damn near since the beginning 😂😂

[@jacksaysgo]

Russillo says so much without saying anything at all. An all time sports commentator who can put out 30 minutes of content without a single coherent thought being shared.

[@cooldoctor174]

Great guest... man is a walking nba historian !!

[@donnycassidy3318]

Even comparing brunson to tatum is disrespectful holy shit lol

[@jamieyancey6820]

Just a reminder that no one has scored more points in game 7 NBA playoff history than Jayson Tatum. People are fucking haters

[@taylorackley9144]

It’s getting ridiculous

[@kwilliams1958]

Mad, mad, mad respect for Brunson...Tatum is the right answer, RR. Interview is gold...

[@peteredwards5298]

Anthony Edwards is not better than Jayson Tatum. Not Brunson, not SGA. Insane

[@danielsmeyer]

Great interview

[@withalittlehelpfrom3]

18:00 onward feels like Rusillo letting out all the laughter he’s been repressing from Bill’s takes 😂

[@ed-wc4gp]

god the way people people move the goal post against tatum is crazy

[@misinfluence]

He’s been given everything

[@Averagedre]

@@misinfluencelike?

[@laythefoundation2083]

​@@Averagedre The best roster, a good GM, & a historic franchise

[@Averagedre]

@@laythefoundation2083 the best roster this year i wouldn’t say that was try any other years other than 2018

[@wjcii4137]

Dead man walking.........that is how Bob Ryan likes to be introduced Ryan

[@nicholasdalby5178]

GIANNIS even SMILES AND goes OUT OF HIS WAY and he didn't receive acceptance either. It is the euro thing, first and foremost. Giannis LOOKS the part to the degree you might see someone draw a basketball player in a comic 4:19 Embiid is now part of Team USA too

[@helbingstein8429]

Zivela White Srbija, Jokic, Djokovic, Nikola Tesla, Mileva Maric Einstein, Divac.

[@EnthusiasticLock-hn4qp]

Og, happy for him. Not easy making a life off your opinion

[@davidbuzby7629]

The game has been and will always be about getting buckets

[@Jack-jx6ln]

There's something so funny about guys talking about players they hate with no context

[@souki0777]

casuals focus more on how his game looks and how they like it or not and not how effective or unstopable he is.

[@chrish2112]

Even more educated fans and former players do the same thing. It's ridiculous.

[@souki0777]

@@chrish2112 most of them just do it to have something to argue about on TV I think they can't be that stupid

[@chrish2112]

@@souki0777 You have more faith in people than I do. 🤣

[@johnnycash8567]

@@chrish2112my pops really thinks Kyrie is better than Curry just because he has a better handle and more spectacular finishes around the rim. He also thinks Murray is better than Jokic 😂😂

[@chrish2112]

@@johnnycash8567 I'm so sick of hearing about Kyrie's "handle". Who cares about that?

[@PutXi_Whipped]

⁠Tatum led BOTH teams in points, rebounds, assists, blocks and steals in the Cavs series. Only other player to do that since 1973-4: LeBron in 2016 Finals

[@misinfluence]

Difference is Tatum sucks ass and lebron doesn’t

[@SchulzEricT]

It's CRAZY how much hate he gets for not showing up in the playoffs, considering he's one of the most successful playoff performers at his age of all-time. I have him somewhere between 4-6 in the league, and I lean towards 4. He needs to stop settling. For sure, he needs to stop settling, it's crazy how content he is to take mid-range shots, fadeaways, stepback 3s... but even with that, I'd have him 4th in the league behind only Jokic, Luka, Giannis.

[@denigster]

yeah he better win it - thats the point

[@realtingdis9099]

Bob Ryan looks like the death 💀 emoji 😂

[@kam_12_]

bruh

[@David-iv6je]

Wow, this aged poorly BEFORE it was even posted. MIN blew the Nuggets out last night. I have NO idea who wins game 7. I'm just deliriously happy there will be a Game 7 between these teams.

[@SchulzEricT]

The problem wasn't Jokic

[@David-iv6je]

@@SchulzEricT Did I say it was?

[@bryankirby4110]

Not taking the guy that scored 50 in a game 7??????

[@masstarvation]

Comparing JT to Brunson. Come on, JT has won several Game 7s under his belt. He dropped 48 and 51 against Giannis and Embiid. Dropped 30+ to eliminate the top seed Miami heat in 2022. Brunson has not proven anything SMH

[@taylorackley9144]

Ik what the fuck are we talking about lmfaooo love Brunson, but he’s 6’2”! Completely incomparable players

[@rohanpande5074]

Tatum in game 7 dropped 51 against philly and 46 against a stacked bucks team in game 6 away. So much recency bias. Ryan u gotta get that out or u gonna end up like SAS

[@1986So]

Not with Joe Mazulla as the coach

[@ycsm3337]

Holy shit someone get Bob Ryan hooked up to an IV

[@pdizzle5302]

Jordan didn't have a prime Celtics team slightly older than him. He faced them at the end and he still couldn't beat them. Ant is great but he has more to contend with in the future than Jordan did.

[@westenshadowcult]

Bob Ryan is still on point. That's a pleasant surprise considering his age. I love how much Bob Ryan hates Elvin Hayes lol I've never watched an E. Hayes game but apparently he was a choke artist on the Washington Bullets in the 70s

[@nedschneebly5424]

Did he call you Chris?

[@jeremyrhansen6637]

Bob Ryan looks.... Alive?!

[@El_TigreNegro]

First!

[@creativeconcerts4511]

In other cities a team can win a round, maybe two in the playoffs, and the fanbase and media will eat it up, and annoint them as a great team. Whoever is their best couple players are will be the next BIG thing! In Boston if you don't win a Championship, you are considered a failure. The only Celtic to not have that sort of scrutiny put upon them was I.T. But in boston we appreciate it when guys put their health, career, and future on the line to try to win us a championship... So he gets a pass. If Tatum played for New York, OKC, San Antonio, ect everyone would call him the Wing version of Tim Duncan. In Boston he is the bum who can't win us a championship. If Brown played ANYWHERE else he would be considered one of the best 2-way players in the league. The second coming of Paul George. In Boston he is the other WORSE bum who can't win us a championship. Until they do it, (which may never be the case), that is who they will be. Unfortunately, or fortunately, (whichever way you see it) that is the way it will always be here.

[@jmelitojr]

I love Ryan met him 9 years ago when I was 30, but my man looks 3/4 dead now…is he sick or just old?

[@dremoore5329]

Uhmm they one of the 4 teams left dumb question

[@programme9363]

No. They can't, and every Celtics fan knows this deep inside. The East is just a terrible conference so they can cruise to the Finals.

[@etherieeetheriee1636]

Dang what happen to ol boy. Lol

[@Deltron3031]

I actually think of a college team when it comes to Celtics comparisons. The 90-91 UNLV Runnin Rebs were one of the greatest teams ever, they coasted without being tested up until the national championship game against Duke when they lost a 2-point contest to go 34-1. Literally their closest game of the entire season was an 8-point win earlier in the tourney.

[@PutXi_Whipped]

Good thing the Celtics have 7 games and not a single elimination game.

[@Deltron3031]

@@PutXi_Whipped Yup! For the record, I was following through with the analogy but think the overall discussion that "they haven't been tested!" is kind of silly. A lot of tight playoff minutes have been logged in previous seasons by the principals on this team. And as Ryen has alluded to in the past, the premature playoff runs with the J's being very young seems to get held against them where a lot of stars start off on crappy teams so they are more fully formed for their first playoff run.

[@ThePh4ntomHammer]

Hes literally had a 51 point game 7 smh

[@jaech88]

I'd peg the Wolves and Nuggets as a favorite over the Celtics

[@tatt4music]

And you would be wrong. Don’t waste your time.

[@IsaiahB0]

Without even watching. I’m going to guess they say something about the Celtics playoff run not being impressive when if fact we’ve been winning by 18 points a game which is unheard of but aye the media will tell you they’re not impressive. I’m also going to bet they try to down play Tatum greatness and career Resume and tell you Anthony Edwards is better and capable of being the best in the league when again in FACT he’s done absolutely nothing that Tatum hasn’t at the same age as well and does nothing better than Tatum currently. Top 5 players in the NBA Jokic Giannis Tatum Luka Joel facts will forever be over feeling 🤷🏿‍♂️

[@user-ck2si5zw8q]

If Tatum was a top 5 player he wouldn’t be having his worst playoff run of all time and needed the most overstacked team in the nba the last 4 years just for one finals appearance

[@PutXi_Whipped]

@@user-ck2si5zw8qTatum led BOTH teams in points, rebounds, assists, blocks and steals in the Cavs series. Only other player to do that since 1973-4: LeBron in 2016 Finals

[@user-ck2si5zw8q]

@@PutXi_Whippedsuch a misleading stat line. he’s the least efficient player on the Celtics from the field and from 3 so yeah I’d assume his other numbers are gonna go up bc he doesn’t trust himself to hit shots

[@johnnycash8567]

Bro Celtics have been favored by like 13 or more in every home game. And last year they were huge favorites to win especially after Milwaukee went out and they under performed every series. They went 6 games with a bad hawks team and lost a game 5 close out game at home to them Went 7 with the sixers when Embiid was hurt at the start of the series and we’re down 3-2 to them. Mind you they were -500 to win that series Then they go down 3-0 with the first two games at home to an 8th seed Miami in a series that they were 10 to 1 to win. people don’t trust the intangibles of this team and u can’t say it isn’t warranted

[@Averagedre]

@@johnnycash8567oh that was during this playoffs? your talking like Boston is the same exact team as last year all of that is irrelevant

[@MrOctober44]

Joke-itch. 😁

[@taylor7264]

Jokic has real flaws too. It’s not like they’re just perceived. He’s a beast but I think the push back comes when ppl try to say he’s already greater than shaq etc. that’s a force. N like bob said other ppl have legit arguments to be mvp. So I think the “skepticism” around jokic is relative to the takes out there. Bc I’m some1 that thinks he’s overrated but by the time I talk to jokic fan most times I actually agree w them bc their individual take isn’t outlandish. But for every Kendrick Perkins there’s a Stan out there that literally thinks he’s the goat. N that’s what makes me feel the need to push back. Moderates on both sides of the aisle generally agree on most stuff they just have different allegiances they feel the need to represent

[@johnnycash8567]

No I get what you’re saying but let’s be honest, his first 2 mvps people were treating it like the Nash mvps.

[@taylor7264]

​@@johnnycash8567 yee facts. n that might have something to do with the visuals like ryan was saying. but then again i get the nash comps too bc around the first two mvps bc he wasnt considered close to the best player in the world. just like nash at the time. if jok had peaked at the second mvp he would have deserved to go down in the steve nash range all time - another guy w/o a title w a v short prime n who's advanced numbers are more eye popping than the box score. n nash is a legend nothing disrespectful abt that you gotta remember too jokic had a slow start to his career. its not like he had a bunch of top 5 finishes prior like most mvps. he was a 2nd round pick that came out of nowhere. its fair for people not to be sold the first time they had heard of him. sometimes we know who "the guy" is early like lebron or wemby n sometimes they creep up on you w accomplishments like jokic, wade, nash, jordan dirk etc. he also wasnt winning (reg or post szn) n hadnt rly flashed the capability to score consistently at the 30+ppg volume like other top guys in the league. at the time his case was validated by advanced analytics and a TRAINED eye test. easy to miss for most. he became the guy is now, best player in the world level, when he won a ring averaged close to 30ppg and then won another mvp. atp i think its reasonable to have him anywhere from giannis-kg all time. is that around where you would have him all-time?

[@ericsdchmidt2426]

Don’t need to watch answer is no

[@2pugshakur50]

I think the resistance on crowning jokic is that he doesn’t care.He’s big and has great touch and passes the ball so well but at the end it seems like he doesn’t love basketball.He’s not marketable and doesn’t care to be.

[@Lord_Clarke]

The Rondo and Holiday backcourt was better than the Holiday and White backcourt

[@ubtrippin9980]

No

[@FAT5AMS]

They should be clear favourites with their roster. Do I think they will choke? Absolutely...

[@PutXi_Whipped]

Celtics haters are so sad

[@FAT5AMS]

@PutXi_Whipped I actually like the celtics but yall should be sad. Perennial chokers

[@saulopimenta9745]

They don't want a white guy to be the face of the NBA and Shaq has a fragile ego.

[@veljkocetnik3050]

as for Tatum - Id rather have the ball in Sam Cassells hands late in the game then his. Sam was never the player JT is but he was clutch and got better in playoff .

[@manavdhawan3313]

Bill's gotten old

[@MrOctober44]

The resistance is that he's white player in a black dominated league

[@lifeonthelake4367]

2 of the top 5 NBA players are white.

[@programme9363]

"Boston has the smartest backcourt I've ever seen" quotes like this are why the Celtics fanbase is so delusional.

[@taylorackley9144]

See you in the finals buddy

[@programme9363]

@taylorackley9144 I'll be there along with the "Celtics weren't tested. The Eastern Conference is terrible. That's why they are down a 2-0" podcast from Simmons.

[@matthewmcleod3681]

No, Boston can't beat Denver

[@scarletspider1240]

Can the Celtics be trusted as a contender? No

[@Tydagoatt24]

When it’s so obvious the Celtics are going to win it all, that these guys are talking themselves out of it

[@misinfluence]

They can’t guard Jokic. At least teams like Minnesota can throw the DPOY and other big bodies at him. If Minnesota doesn’t beat them Celtics cannot win Unless you wanna put Porzingis on Jokic

[@TopGunZero]

Denver just lost a playoff game where they could have sent their opponent packing by 45 points. Minnesota lost 3 playoff games in a row after winning 2 straight. Why is no one questioning whether either of these teams can be trusted? Dallas is wildly overachieving and no one really believes in OKC. I get it that the media is looking for narratives, but this one is a weak one.

[@ljutko7]

Rusillo i feel sorry for you too. Denver sold hard. Jokić can't alone.... Pathetic Denver maaannn they play with 🔥 and i think not even Jokić can turn off that this time 😢😞😶

[@superSIZEmee]

It’s disingenuous when discussing Jokic to dismiss the criticism of him winning MVP over 2 way players while he doesn’t have a defensive presence to speak of…! Get real Bob…! 🤷‍♂️😂

[@michaelahurt]

It’s not disingenuous, Bob just understands basketball. What matters is the end result. If your team is 20 points better with you on the floor it doesn’t matter how you got there. If you’re worth 30 points on offense and -10 on defensive or 10 on offense and 10 on defense it’s still 20 points. Why is winning 100-90 better than 130-110? Also an individual player can impact offense much more than defense. It’s not a one-to-one. Look at game 2. Minnesota played their best defensive game all year without their best defensive player. And Denver has a top 10 defense anyway

[@superSIZEmee]

@@michaelahurt Are you implying that I don’t understand Basketball because I’m of the belief that 2 way players are more valuable than Offensive Specialists…?🤔😂🤷‍♂️🫡

[@superSIZEmee]

@@michaelahurt You’re whole argument is really not an argument at all…! It was really just a elaborate word salad that resulted to you basically saying nothing to prove anything just a bunch of confusing points that aren’t really relevant to the discussion and only blurt the lines of reality. That’s all Jokic fans ever do. They always point to ADVANCED STATS to make cases for Jokic because Good Ole Fashioned Statistics weren’t showing his “! Defensive Impact”…!!! Jokic is an ABSOLUTELY AMAZING OFFENSIVE PLAYER. But he’s not a COMPLETE 2 WAY player who’s value on defense is just as good or close to his offensive value ie Embiid, SGA Etc …!

[@superSIZEmee]

@@michaelahurt You’re whole argument is really not an argument at all…! It was really just a elaborate word salad that resulted to you basically saying nothing to prove anything just a bunch of confusing points that aren’t really relevant to the discussion and only blurt the lines of reality. That’s all Jokic fans ever do. They always point to ADVANCED STATS to make cases for Jokic because Good Ole Fashioned Statistics weren’t showing his “! Defensive Impact”…!!! Jokic is an ABSOLUTELY AMAZING OFFENSIVE PLAYER. But he’s not a COMPLETE 2 WAY player who’s value on defense is just as good or close to his offensive value ie Embiid, SGA Etc …!

[@michaelahurt]

@@superSIZEmee or you don’t understand how math works If player A can generate a 125 point offense and you can construct a 115 point defense then that is better than player B who is 118 and 111 The reality is that defense is worth 3-4 times less than offense. A great offensive player like Jokic or LeBron or Magic can make Aaron Gordon or Anderson Varejao or Kurt Rambis an efficient offensive player. But a great defender like Gobert or Wemby can’t make bad defenders better. If you genuinely believe that individual defense is as valuable as individual offense then I’m not implying it, I’m saying you flat out don’t understand basketball. And looking at the scoreboard is not an advanced stat. It’s as basic as it gets.

[@chrisconnor8086]

Absolutely not tatum and brown are not going to win a championship, anywhere, ever Celtics should trade them and draft serbians until theyre known as the Balkan Celtics

[@janicelgo4522]

Tatum is the issue. Not competitive enough. Warriors broke him. Brown? Yes, he's the guy.

[@15awesomehighfive]

Tatum is certainly the media darling of the two. Brown has a higher floor, but a lower ceiling.

[@lifeonthelake4367]

Bad take kid

[@adamwallace7638]

Nobody I hate more than Boston fans and Boston media members. Most overrated teams that win championships of all time

[@notjnsz]

He doesn't look like a basketball player, "visually"? He's white -- the tiptoeing around this is painful. The discourse with Kendrick Perkins last year showcased that a significant portion of "anti-Jokic" is racial resentment. Not like you can have a career and say that, though.

[@michaelahurt]

It’s more than that because Steph got a lot of the same treatment but certainly it’s a big part. Whether it’s Bird, Jokic, or Caitlin Clark you always hear the “they aren’t actually good they’re just white so the white media is propping them up” Although a lot of its play style too because you don’t really hear that with Luka, a guy who has a more traditional game.

[@johnnycash8567]

It’s not just because he’s white dummy. He looks tubby and he’s not explosively athletic. And I’m saying this as someone whose favorite player is Jokic. Yeah some of it is because he’s white but Luka doesn’t get the same hate.

[@tatt4music]

Poor Bob got that wrong. Right before the nuggets lose by 45. lol.

[@jbbrolic]

No. I can easily see anyone in the west wrecking them. (And the east should have been a clean sweep cakewalk so far with how decimated by injury the opposition has been.)

[@PutXi_Whipped]

LMAO all the pundits picked Celtics in 5 in both series and the Celtics won in 5 in both series. Keep moving the goalposts dummy!

[@jakemeizinger5008]

Over now huh old man his season is over that's what's over

[@smashingblumpkins100]

Love Bob, but he's losing it, sad to see.

[@IHadToMakeThisAccount]

NO. Celtics would need a superstar player to win it all.

[@emeraldcrowley9837]

What the fuck are you talking about they just beat 2 teams 4-1 in consecutive series. 64 wins and they are not a contender. I swear media does not like Boston. If you want to say that you don't trust them I can agree with that but to say they are not contenders is absurd and idiotic. We are going to the finals so I think we are a contender

[@loganerb3952]

The answer to the title is objectively NO

[@user-fv5bl5ok4t]

They’re gonna win the title so pretty fucking dumb

[@PutXi_Whipped]

oBjECtivElY nO

[@janveidt2700]

No, Tatum is a Grade A Loser. He ain’t winning sh-.

[@PutXi_Whipped]

No, Tatum is not in your family. LOL

[@joefried6604]

WTF is going on with BOB ?? have not seen him in 5 years ???

[@MJfromdaO]

trusted as contenders what a stupid title they are automatically contenders because they will already be in the finals

[@vinceventura4453]

Okay the glazing of Anthony Edwards is getting like laughably stupid now , the kid still can’t shoot to save his life , is it because he pounds his chest after a play im supposed to pretend it was special ? I wanna know what the fuck little ant is doing on the defensive end that everyone is seeing as so special ? Literally nothing , he has two dudes who bail him out all the time i see that ? Saying he’s better than Tatum is just the most embarrassing take , hey if Tatum pounds his chest more and shrinks 7 inches will it be more impressive to you ? People saying Edwards is better in the most wild shit I’ve heard first it was booker and now it’s Edwards, who’s it going to be next year?

[@jammer9941]

Tatum has won 5 game 7s so its not like he's been bad in them

[@vietnam1978]

No