Can The Tern GSD R14 E-Cargo Bike Replace Your Car? | TESTED | Bicycling

[@moochincrawdad]

Excellent review - it really shows how far we've come over the last 20 years or so - back then even suggesting that a bike could be a replacement for a car would be met with laughter and scorn. Now the love affair with motorised transport is almost locked at the "we need to talk" stage, especially with traffic jams!

[@SeanSmith66]

The GSD towing a car, this is the proper way to cargobike. Great vid Dan.

[@BicyclingMag]

Cargo is in the eye of the beholder!

[@Wildbikeslife]

Cargo Bike make car go

[@LoveToday8]

One of the best electric bikes on the market.

[@Brandon-xp1ob]

I used to get complimented for carrying a six pack on my Node D8 rack but I'm sending you a virtual high five for carrying 4 mini kegs. That's awesome! 😅

[@vinayaktiwari4383]

Mate apart from the goodies. Could you review on real life situations as below : Whats the service and maintenance schedule and costs ? Ownership costs ? Will it work in heavy rain and can it stand heavy rain in parking lots ? How easy to get replacement parts and costs of spares ? What are the common real life problems with the bike ? Is it too big to be stored in tight parking spaces in retail stores ? What are the security features to safeguard it from being stolen? Whats the warranty like and can anyone fix/service ?

[@macpdm]

I replaced my car but instead I went for the HSD S8i and don’t regret it. Enjoyed the video 👍

[@BicyclingMag]

Awesome!

[@misaelramos83]

Nice! How do you use it?

[@macpdm]

@@misaelramos83 thanks it’s a great bike. I commute 8mls per day to work and back.

[@fnmag6809]

Great video lots of information

[@brendanerskine4158]

Waiting for the showcase of the bike's ability to 'absolutely fly up hills'.

[@DeanJuvenal]

Yes! Literally versus metaphorically.

[@stewartmckay9830]

A bike trailer to go with the bike would be great for tradesmen. Youth parking is a nightmare in large cities a trailer you could stand on its end and lock Would be a brilliant idea

[@BikeShopGirl]

Awesome video!!!

[@fraaggl]

how is it possible that more popular are the electric bike, more expensive they get ?

[@jacksonbangs6603]

I wonder if you can tow a Burly Nomad bicycle trailer with this E-bike?

[@mostlye-bikes9356]

Nice work!

[@mauort6870]

Great review. How was the handling going down hills?

[@Wildbikeslife]

S00 LX rider here, it's nice and stable descending, heavy, so you want to keep it under control, but the braking is responsive and powerful (Magura 180mm hydraulic disc brakes). Make sure to mind service intervals and bed in new brake pads.

[@courtneycobbs7034]

I hope they make a Class 3 option available in the future.

[@Wildbikeslife]

There's a class 3 HSD now, and Yuba has come out with a class 3 Spicy Curry All Terrain model. Maybe a class 3 GSD is in the cards...

[@misaelramos83]

Would need bigger brakes

[@jeromedelaere7935]

what s the model of the white bike at 3minutes 56 seconds ?

[@Beanodog]

Does the rear axle have access for a trailer coupling?

[@allthegearuk]

Yes according to the tern website

[@drivestorage1779]

We are tandemers who want to fulltime replace our car. We ride a bike friday which is buttery smooth but we need a 2nd tandem. Looking at the co-motions periscope, found a bike shop that is willing to work with ordering it and custom some parts (e-assist, rear axle needs to be beefier, handlebars need to be more cruiser-like .. we want our co-motion to be touring-ready). Any suggestions on tandem bikes that can carry both people and cargo? We ride heavy, REALLY heavy (100 lbs+) and won't have it any other way.

[@TK-in7fn]

How tall are you ? Was he one size fits all frame sizing ok ?

[@danrmaz]

I am 196 cm/6”5. How good Woolf it feel for me? Thanks

[@melissaward5642]

How do I know where the product bought from?

[@DeanJuvenal]

Disappointingly little about the heart of an eBike = the motor. Is it really in the rear wheel along with the gearbox?

[@curtishohman6809]

Ya he forgot to explain that it's a mid-drive motor. All of Bosch's motors are mid drive.

[@DeanJuvenal]

@@curtishohman6809 T Y

[@vincentdesio7212]

How long did it take Dan to kill those four kegs for the video?

[@BicyclingMag]

Rumor has it he's still working on them.

[@dont3222]

He is a good sipper. Give him 6 days.

[@-joo3033]

I can tow a car with a normal bicycle...the GSD is awesome

[@antwantuan4040]

why is this bike almost 4 times more than radwaggon or euronau. Are all the parts on this bike 4 times better? Hell its even more expensive than top of the line commuter carbon ebike like Trek or cayon or canondale

[@BicyclingMag]

Great question! A lot of that price comes down to the build and capability. The Tern GSD has almost three times the range of the RadWagon 4, due to the dual batteries, and an extra 90 lbs of carrying capacity at 440 pounds. It's also foldable (to a point), which makes it able to be stored in smaller spaces than the RadWagon, which may be valuable to some users. Other branded components like the Bosch Cargo line motor system, Gates carbon belt drive, Rohloff geared hub, SunTour Fork and integrated lock also add up to it being a more expensive build.

[@daisydela]

The Radwagen is specifically marketed to cheap buyers. It has a hub drive motor, which sucks and has very little torque for climbing or carrying heavy loads. Trust me, hub drive motors are terrible for modern e-bikes. I built up my first one in 2010, and burned out two motors on my Yuba cargo bike. Mid drive has much more torque for practical use. I converted to mid drive and can now climb any hill carrying my dog and 10-bags of groceries. The Radwagen only really works for flat ground.

[@difflocktwo]

@@daisydela Mid drive sucks. Gearless hub drive is the way to go. Gearless hub drive wins every time because you get rid of almost all maintenance when using one. No brake maintenance and no drivetrain maintenance. My hub motor has been abused for 10 years now and it's still going strong. It's the bike around the hub motor that is falling apart and yet the motor keeps going. My hub motor has enough torque to flip you off your bike and it hasn't melted in 10s of thousands of commuter miles and many hundreds of ~50kg trailer hauling miles. The bub motor is just a cheapy $100 Chinese hub motor.

[@prothonotar]

@@difflocktwo lol absolutely not

[@stkoutdoors1571]

I understand this is pedal assist, but can you also ride with only the electric motor for miles without pedaling?

[@-joo3033]

lmao *No you cant* , thats litterally what "pedal assist" (PAS) means, no assist unless you are pedaling.

[@misaelramos83]

I'm definitely down for a cargo eBike. Might just have to bafang my trek 520 in the mean time tho 😅

[@stardrifter2872]

OK so I can buy one of these for 8K or I could buy like 6 rad cargo bikes for the same price. Perhaps your bike is better than those but is at 6 times better?

[@-joo3033]

Depends, the rad bike is a WW golf while this is a Porshe

[@Wildbikeslife]

I think a gsd r14 might last six times as long or get used six times as much... But as with bikes in general, the best e-cargo bike is the e-cargo bike you've got! Comparing S10 to the Radwagon is much more apples to apples though, and you've gotta hand it to RAD for nailing their price point and marketing and activating a huge segment of latent ebikers.

[@daisydela]

The Radwagen uses a hub drive motor and is marketed for buyers in a budget who won’t really use them for hills. Hub drive motors have very little torque. The Radwagen is great is you only ride in flat areas. Terrible is you live in hilly areas or want to carrry heavy loads. With a mid-drive I can literally climb a mountain with my dog and 10-bags of groceries. It’s hilarious the crazy loads I can carry uphill.

[@abhinavgarg6487]

Who is the target market for a $4,600, let alone a $8k cargo bike? I thought half the point of these things was out-pricing a car to make the decision easier?

[@BicyclingMag]

They're great options for people in cities who may not have the space to keep a car, but can still handle much of the load.

[@DaveAtkinson]

because no-one's ever spent $8k on a car, right?

[@mrs.lauren7726]

America has a car problem lol. Lacking funds for public transport and a ton of cheap used cars, which is great for low income families don't get me wrong but going by example from other countries most people would probably be happier with out a car if the roads and other means of transport were not working against that happening

[@ryansager6100]

My wife and I, we just ordered 2 r14's

[@youknownothing3766]

@@ryansager6100 Nice, I own the GSDv2 S10 had it for a month. I can see myself getting an R14 probably a Gen3 or HSD if it comes out with a Rohloff. In hindsight I probably should have gone with an R14 upfront, looking at it the hub is well worth it.

[@MegaBaz12]

Just seems a lot of money even for the cheaper one

[@minniesaab7255]

🖤💚❤💙

[@AB-jc3gd]

replaces not my car.... no theft-safe trunk not enough miles, not enough space, not enough protection, safety. and i sleep sometimes in the car

[@readlangley5658]

8000 for an ebike is insane. Buy two cheap motorcycles instead.

[@Wildbikeslife]

That would be "Cheap Motorcycling" instead of "Bicycling" magazine 😆😂🤣

[@joselabrada232]

Sorry, but how can you justify that price. All the features don't negate the fact that it's a bicycle.

[@iamkron2631]

That bike literally cost more than my car, its ridiculously over priced. why in the hell would this be a car replacement. the only reason why id ride a bike over a car is simply the cost and you can get a used car for cheaper. Not to mention wtf are you going to do when it rains like come now. i can get a electric motorcycle for cheaper.

[@collina.4766]

troll

[@Wildbikeslife]

This bike is actually great in the rain! Comes with full fenders and handles quite well in the wet. You're right, though, it takes a bit of determination to bike everywhere. Some of us quite prefer biking whenever possible. The appeal of such a bike is that it will keep me out of the car. I really don't like driving. What can I say! I don't think I'm alone in that.

[@TedCruzisfromCanada]

Gas, bad for the planet; Oil, bad for the planet; 4 new car tires, insurance, registration, adds up quickly....got it?

[@korayozan9563]

BUllshit . only slightly nearest thing to a car is e-motorbike. this can not be a replacement in anyway.