Can This Save Star Trek?

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[@taravati181]

i liked the first star trek with chris pine the others were not good.

[@reaper_exd7498]

No, it's never coming back under current leadership if at all.

[@justanothercomment416]

The rose glasses is the point. Same thing happens with Star Wars. There is only three Star Wars movies. There is only original and STNG (DS9 and maybe Enterprise - Voyager is terrible) Star Trek. Everything else is rose colored glasses. Voyager was the first push for Star Trek into the agenda abyss.

[@alejandroruizdezuniga7582]

I am not an expert, but in my opinion, if they want to tell more star trek story before TNG, and they succesors, they should tell stories about the Enterprise C or "the lost era" between TOS and TNG

[@thisismyname3928]

@@justanothercomment416 Enterprise is crap.

[@chucklemeister1529]

Star trek is dead, doctor who is dead, and star wars is dead. Three things i thought I would never say.

[@Tallacus]

Lord of the rings is dead too along with Jurassic World and Transformers

[@TheVisualDigitalArts]

Warhammer40k be like: HOLD THE LINE!!!!

[@59964]

@@TheVisualDigitalArts Warhammer is next on the chopping block.

[@TjJd-f8m]

They got halo, man. They got halo.

[@rogerrussell9544]

And all these deaths were by the same thing and were all preventable if the audience was listened to.

[@superginrai8036]

Star Trek didn't die. It was murdered and dismembered.

[@Write-Stuff]

And its eye torn out.

[@SMacCuUladh]

it met a gang of men from a certain country brushing horses in northern england if you get my meaning

[@ACMaddocks]

Buried into a shallow grave... which was then thoroughly p*ssed upon

[@axelhopfinger533]

Basically turned into a lobotomized Borg drone.

[@peterkrochmalni673]

And disintegrated. By definition it can not be fixed.

[@evannuh-koo-la4054]

I was born in 2004. I'm part of the "modern audience" the higher-ups are talking about, and I prefer Star Trek from 1966 to 2005

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

If you do not have gender dysphoria, you are not the "modern audience"

[@stevenedwards8353]

Yup. I've been trying to say the same thing over and over again: the "modern audience" DOES exist, it just wants the same as the old audience did: entertainment and escapism instead of politics in their media!

[@dennisthomas5869]

Your parents raised you well!

[@PCat2385]

Makes me smile seeing someone of your generation who appreciates the franchise when it was in its glory instead of this modem crap they pass off as Trek

[@revmaynard814]

I think that what the studio thinks a "modern audience" is, and what a "modern audience" actually is is what the problem actually is. 🤣

[@mg_in_minutes]

I think "no more prequels" is a FANTASTIC idea across ALL properties.

[@Justin-ee3im]

I've always hated the idea of a prequel, like, what's the point, I know what's going to happen eventually. The only prequal type of property I think ever worked was the first Knights of the Old Republic RPG.

[@stevenedwards8353]

Can I add "no more reboots/remakes, unless the original was a hot mess but had an interesting concept that might be retried later" into the mix?

[@KemPeck1701]

erm.. dont agree.. the expanded universe in star wars, specificly the revan era, is DEFINATELY worth the prequal treatment, being dated 5000 years before vader.. even the second jedi schism, started by Ajunta Pal (14000 BBY) would work well.. but... that means the EU would have to be re-established as canon.. and disney wont do that

[@mg_in_minutes]

@KemPeck1701 Agreed! Something like that would definitly be welcome.

[@billmilligan7272]

Especially Star Trek. I've been screaming this since Enterprise started.

[@AdamKadmon-cg5qs]

I'd like to see a new show where the Captain walks onto the bridge of the new ship, pause, reach over to a switch and TURNS THE LIGHTS ON. Then he smiles and says, "There, that's better."

[@thejagman22]

But not so bright that there are frickin' lens flares everywhere.

[@tomleonard830]

@@thejagman22 Maybe have the lights on a dimmer.

[@dreamcastfan]

Plus carpets on all decks. 😉

[@tomleonard830]

@@dreamcastfan And surge protectors on all control panels. And maybe seatbelts during red alerts.

[@christovog]

​@@tomleonard830YES! No more rampant explosions and rocks falling and flames bursting out.

[@yankee1376]

Spock: Your use of language has altered since our arrival. It is currently laced with, shall we say, more colorful metaphors, "double dumb-ass on you" and so forth. Kirk: Oh, you mean the profanity? Spock: Yes. Kirk: Well that's simply the way they talk here. Nobody pays any attention to you unless you swear every other word.

[@Colin_]

Sad but true in the case of New Trek.

[@tomleonard830]

@@Colin_ Or in San Francisco, where ST4 was set.

[@xandror]

@@tomleonard830 You are thinking of Star Trek 2 where they go back in time to 1980s San Francisco. In Star Trek IV they take a refitted enterprise for a test drive and run into an old enemy of Kirk's.

[@blshouse]

@@xandror No. ST1 = V'ger Homecoming ST2 = Wrath of Ricardo Montalban ST3 = Spock Possesses McCoy ST4 = Save the Whales in 1980's San Francisco ...

[@tomleonard830]

@@xandror Since you are swapping the plots of 2 and 4, what is the plot of 3? is it still the search for spock?

[@thechapelperilous]

No Prequels, No Time Travel, No Multiverse, No Singular Villain with a big ship, no Starfleet is compromised…they’ve done it all 10x over. Tell a story about people figuring a problem out together. That’s it. Make a movie that costs $50 million. Hire writers from fan series and movies to helm it. Take a bold risk Paramount, it’s what the IP deserves.

[@M-S_4321]

Given their history, what would make you believe corporate moneymen have ANY artistic integrity?

[@MrMjolnir69]

P.s. Wasn't galaxy quest a self aware parody?

[@planescaped]

An episodic series set aboard a ship as they travel known space helping and aiding and doing. Ya know... like TNG... Only add in some of the over-arching continuity of DS9, that's all I want. Keep it simple, and get rid of all the non-trek crap thedy've been stuffing into the series of late. Keep Star trek Star Trek and stop trying to turn it into Battlestar Gallatitrek The Star-Effect Saga.

[@xlerosx]

Great comment. The new James Bonds (mostly) are all personal or mi6 vendetas instead of spy movies/adventures/mysteries. I want to see Bond save the world on an adventure that begins and ends.

[@M-S_4321]

@@MrMjolnir69 Yes and it almost didn't get greenlit because execs doubted it would be entertaining.

[@inspector2363]

No canon, no consistency & continuity = No audience investment

[@christovog]

Bingo. And never payoffs.

[@saricubra2867]

Lower Decks just erased Discovery from the main canon.

[@qZbGmYjS4QusYqv5]

It's dead, Jim

[@AnnoyingMoose]

I'm a doctor, damn it, not a script writer!

[@freedone.]

@@AnnoyingMoose Two to beam up, Mr. Scott. Take us out of here.

[@mark314158]

Money to be made. It lives! It's not life as we know it...

[@geegaw14]

Sometimes Bones would change it up: “Jim, its dead.”

[@caveatlector2671]

@@mark314158 Damn it Jim, I'm a doctor, not a necromancer...

[@PoolKid75]

If Skydance wants to get Star Trek back in the hearts and minds of fans, the number 1 rule they need to follow is that Star Trek is and will forever be optimistic, utopian and science fiction. The market is saturated with pessimistic, dystopian fantasy slop. Star Trek needs to be unique, like it once was, not follow the herd.

[@carlrood4457]

It's also much more about the characters and issues they encounter than it is about space battles. It's about making tough calls and trying to make the best choices in difficult circumstances. It's also about the relationships within a professional environment.

[@PoolKid75]

@@carlrood4457 I agree wholeheartedly, but that is a matter of better writing and writing style, which I would consider secondary. Foundationally, the franchise is and must always be optimistic, utopian and science fiction (not fantasy), and go from there.

[@stephenramos2824]

The problem is i don't think writers today know how to do nuance or episodic tv

[@PoolKid75]

@@stephenramos2824 they do, they just don't get hired because they don't check diversity quota boxes and/or have the wrong political views.

[@tomleonard830]

I completely agree. Plus, there is an emphasis on peaceful solutions. Violence is not off the table, but it is not the first tool that the Federation goes for.

[@mavericmorph5358]

Born in 73, I experienced the best TV could offer on multiple points.

[@All2Meme]

It sure seems that way, doesn't it?

[@thomasherzog2172]

Star trek started in 1964 peaked with DS9 Season 4-7 and ended in 2005. Its desecration and scavenging since then

[@LillyLou]

I'm a very sensitive unicorns-and-rainbows person, so I never liked how dark and brutal DS9 was in the later seasons. But I can neither deny that it was probably some of the most well written and gripping seasons in all of ST.

[@Pepesilvia267]

Not a big fan of DS9 since one could argue it wasn’t Star Trek due to its tone and breaking Genes rules. However, I did like it just fine and consider it good. I just won’t rewatch it. Voyager felt closer to TNG but not as strong. I’ve rewatched that a lot, not as much as TNG. I think people rank voyager and DS9 differently but most consider voyager the end of the golden years. Enterprise was meh IMO but again I’m a child of TNG era.

[@dohadeer8242]

FWIW, TOS premiered in 1966, not 1964. Most would say that the ST franchise rot set in during season 3, it was pretty bad compared to the rest of the show. (Spock's Brain anyone?) Never could get into ST:TNG or DS9, etc. Mostly I bundle them altogether with Discovery, Picard and all the other post-TOS shows. None of them are particularly special to me, but that is just a generational thing I suspect. Personally I think that ST:SNW is actually pretty good - they have recaptured the drama/light comedy aspects of the original storylines surprisingly well, IMO. I don't think that they particularly needed it to be a prequel TBH and they lay into linking back to TOS characters too much but the SNW storylines themselves are pretty classic ST.

[@raymathews1474]

When Kurzman is gone, actually gone, not just operating in the shadows or through protoges, recovery can begin. Just think of a series as a lump of cheese with mold sports. Kurzman trek is the mold, cut it off and discard it.

[@pigeonpoo1823]

Like cancer

[@RamblingRodeo]

Right, OMG! Where they should restart at, is like years after Voyager there is some good areas to cover, the federation being in a disaster state, like that of the Franchise, to going back to the Delta Quadrant, the Borg and 7. Idk, who am i?

[@Furzkampfbomber]

The problem with mould is, though, that once a part of said cheese is mouldy, cutting off the _visible_ mould will not help at all. You _never_ eat mouldy cheese, because the mould you see and cut off is only a tiny fraction of what's actually there - its mycelium will most likely have spread through all of your cheese already and contaminated its entirety. All you can do then is to revel in fond memories of the great taste it used to have, throw it away entirely and then get you a new piece of cheese.

[@neural_jam]

Star Trek: Recovery

[@neural_jam]

@@Furzkampfbomber that's rubbish, I've cut mould off cheese plenty of times and it's fine

[@brick6347]

Haven't you read Pet Sematary? -Trying to bring a corpse back to life often ends badly.

[@robertbrown3413]

They don't come back the same!

[@sdfried4877]

Sometimes…. Dead is bettah.

[@cracno1125]

I mean. Star Trek has died like three times.

[@nealgrimes4382]

@@sdfried4877 After 2024 that is very true for all my favorite childhood Sci-Fi.

[@nealgrimes4382]

@@cracno1125 For me that would be once after T.O.S once after Enterprise and once during Discovery.

[@italianviking80]

At this point, as ridiculous as it sounds, we need a total reset. Have Troi wake up from a nightmare and find Riker in the sonic shower.

[@planescaped]

That... would actually love a lot of problems. lol

[@interestedobserver587]

Ha Dallas in space

[@yehudahecht1520]

No. I don't want to see a single recognizable character or callback to single recognizable character in a new series. I'm sick of the nostalgia card. It's pathetic.

[@abatter]

There's a word that's been coming to my mind with regards to what Star Trek should be: cozy. Characters you want to be around. A setting you want to be in. Wrap yourself up in a blanket of 24 episodes of hope. To do those things while creating engaging and thoughtful sci-fi will take intentionality and talent. Make it cheaply too. We don't need whiz-bang effects. We were happy with paper mache rocks on a sound stage.

[@orlandocardoza974]

This should be the opening page of any new project under the Star Trek name: Straight forward and simple. That is what we want.

[@Mereologist]

Roddenberry was very much of a 'modern' take. Which is to say that he believed that technology and social advances would eventually largely solve ALL problems. Which means if you have mentally ill crew members, or dissenting ones, or bigots, or so on, you have diverged from that vision. Within the Federation, everything pretty much works out and everyone is more or less happy. You have to go to the frontier where they have less control to find the problems. Of course these days, all the kids like the 'postmodern'. Which is to say that the heroes are indistinguishable from the villains, technology only makes problems worse, and there's literally zero hope that any of that will change. Ever. Some postmodern media even rejects the idea that anything should ever make sense or even happen in any kind of order. It's often gloomy, violent, and chaotic. Pretty much what Trek is now.

[@orlandocardoza974]

@@Mereologist This is an unfortunate decription of where our culture seems to be today. But it doesn't have to be a picture of where our culture will be tomorrow. We have to change the story that we are telling (That is something my wife, Anna, would say). Not just our sci-fi stories but the Global Story. Roddenberry was an inperfect human being (aren't we all), but he viewed our future as human beings to near perfection. To reach for that perfect we must create a mirror to that perfection. That future could be a new Star Trek or a New something totally different. I think we need to dream big and beautiful and then write it and share it. The only constant is change. Live Long and Prosper

[@SamuelBlack84]

Some of the best Trek episodes revolved around a moral conundrum in a sci-fi theme Constant explosions with constant back and forth between characters are soulless and medicare

[@garytilford6503]

STAR TREK CONTINUES is a must watch for every Star Trek fan. Superbly written, well acted and some well known guest stars. It IS Star Trek in my opinion.

[@WillCamx]

It certainly stands head and shoulders above any of this garbage.

[@M-S_4321]

​@@WillCamxPinned one foot under the water still isn't a survivable distance.

[@M-S_4321]

@@garytilford6503 I'd comment but my replies aren't allowed.

[@axelhopfinger533]

And AXANAR will put Trek fan productions on another level once it releases, hopefully this year. There's still plenty of passionate talent out there which could revive Star Trek and bring it to the next level. but you won't find it within the incestuous and nepotistic Hollywood swamp.

[@The420kingchronic]

Stepping away from the aesthetic established in TNG, Voyager, and DS9 was one of the greatest mistakes.

[@fearthehoneybadger]

I think that prying the rights out of the hands of woke entities is the only way to start the healing.

[@allthingsnerd.4484]

Let’s be honest; Roddenberry wouldn’t have approved Deep Space Nine. His “vision” was grand, but his restrictions made Trek worse. We never EVER would’ve gotten “In The Pale Moonlight” under his leadership.

[@Christianos_Theophile]

He's the reason TNG's first season was so bad

[@Lukas-Trnka]

The idea of Deep Space Nine was introduced to Roddenberry by Rick Berman some time before Roddenberry died. Roddenberry had actually a neutral opinion about the idea of DS9.

[@craigbeasley3120]

@@Lukas-Trnka Yeah, the Great Bird was likely wondering if he should rip off B5 or not, probably did dampen his enthusiasm... ;)

[@ianoz1]

TNGs first season was like Trump's first term. Roddenberry didn't know who to trust (beyond Justman, Fontana and his small OG group), got sabotaged by people with their own agenda. It's said season 2 was written by lawyers (with a writers' strike causing the retooling of rejected story lines). Season 3, Michael Piller & Ron Moore arrived...thank the Maker. Prior to that, there was a yelling match between an accomplished writer and Gene R about Data's character. That she wanted to sexualise Data and Gene R did not. Roddenberry won that argument. She quit. Post script... the story this writer was most noted for had "rewrites" on set, where one of Picard's greatest moments/speeches was actually written by Patrick Stewart (Source: Richard Arnold, who was present at each of these). So, don't be too hard on Gene R for those early clunkers and the revolving door of writers and producers. As Richard said to me once, it's an ego driven business... not just the actors, people at all levels. Gene, in putting together TNG, threw out a challenge to the best and brightest writers saying, "Star Trek is a sandbox, you can build anything you like inside the sandbox, but don't go outside the sandbox." And the "best and brightest" weren't up to the challenge... with only two or three exceptions.

[@robertbrown3413]

Without respect, we reject.

[@thisismyname3928]

Even Doom has gone soft.

[@grimmy2444]

Doom has a glimmer of hope. Just a glimmer of hope 😊

[@M-S_4321]

I'll chant that as a Star Trek slogan. Without respect, we reject.

[@robertbrown3413]

@@M-S_4321 From another YT channel but someone here likes it.

[@M-S_4321]

@@robertbrown3413 There's a fair piece of use in it as a phrase.

[@carlrood4457]

One thing that annoys me about new Trek is phasers became Star Wars blasters. Instead of beam weapons, they were firing light bullets. They were having gunfights like some 80's cop show.

[@craigbeasley3120]

I don't know, when Kirk and Spock were in the firefight on the Romulan ship, I thought it was cool to hear the particle bursts clanging on stuff. It kind of gave it a more visceral feel, to me.

[@XennialTV]

DS9 and Voyager regularly used Pulse Rifles. I think your memory is failing. Infact even in Star Trek Enterprise before they introduce the Phase Pistols they're using pulse weapons.

[@sardonicspartan9343]

Unless Skydance renounces NuTrek, nothing will change.

[@Tallacus]

They can't, Kurtzman has a nuke in his contract

[@axelhopfinger533]

All they have to do is to refuse airing/streaming anything Kurtzman was involved in. Do not renew any streaming licenses. Just let it sink into obscurity. Don't talk about it anymore.

[@Rusty_Shackleford099]

Skydance produced Star Trek Beyond back in 2016. There is no reason to believe that they will change course in any meaningful way.

[@Dantegrey1]

"Telling us why you’re going to fail before you make the attempt is never wise." - Beverly Crusher

[@jimslancio]

A woman named Michael was a small bad creative decision that promised big bad creative decisions to come.

[@MoriartysDemon]

That originated with Bryan Fuller. A female with a male name who was second in command is basically all that Paramount decided to use of his idea for Discovery, they gave him an Exec Producer credit and gave the show runner job to someone cheaper who knew less about Trek.

[@Remington61189]

@@MoriartysDemon Even though Fuller left before the first season aired you can still see his fingerprints all over the place if you were already familiar with his prior work, But then from the second season onwards the show went into full Kurtzman overdrive.

[@BrianFike22]

Big Mike Obama was the insperation.

[@ehnobodycaresanyway9779]

a woman named michael was the least of my concerns in discovery. there's a LOT more wrong with it

[@SimonSezSo]

That line is the last episode of Enterprise. NOTHING that came after can be considered Star Trek.

[@ColonelNegative]

That last episode isn’t even canon. Awful too.

[@Lukas-Trnka]

@@ColonelNegative Actually if Berman would have manage to beat the studio executives and save Star Trek, then this ENT episode might be actually quite an interesting episode, dealing with the issue of how historical events are often shown and distorted by people in later times.

[@jimslancio]

My DVDs of the old series still work.

[@kerry-j4m]

Mine too. LOL.

[@999benhonda]

Some people act like not much has changed...I remind them that in the 90s we had 3 well watched shows, model ships, micro machine ships, phasers, tricorders an action figures in every store with a toy section. Posters, cups, plates, anything they could print ships or characters on. Today, there's a few streaming shows with short seasons and little to know merch.

[@yehudahecht1520]

Did you really just misspell "no"?

[@Remington61189]

Exploration of the Gamma Quadrant after the Dominion War is a potential lore gold mine.

[@Adelina-293]

Or a series from a non-Federation POV. A Romulan, Ferengi or Bajoran series are all good ideas.

[@All2Meme]

I agree. Even the post-war rebuild of the Alpha Quadrant might have some good stories to it as well. Writers wouldn't have to dig too deep, as stories of what happened after World War II wouldn't be too hard to draw from.

[@Remington61189]

@@Adelina-293 With a whole universe providing an unlimited amount of diverse story telling from other civilisations why waste a golden opportunity?

[@Remington61189]

​@@All2Meme like The Cardassians could embrace a more progressive and democratic society just like Germany and Japan after WW2.

[@Gio-jv7nd]

​@@Adelina-293they did, it's called DS9.

[@KardboardKenny]

both SW & ST are dead af. time to move on.

[@Isaiah55_6]

And Doctor Who

[@tomleonard830]

Between Lower Decks and Strange New Worlds, I think that quality Star Trek is still being made. Unfortunately, there is other Star Trek being made that is not of the same quality.

[@tomfink7505]

Unlikely anything can save Star Trek at this point. The damage that's been done to the franchise -- and Star Wars, Doctor Who, so many others -- has burned too many longtime fans and never appealed to any of the "new audience" it's allegedly made for. They're dead. Let them go. We have the memories of better times, and that's enough for me.

[@dohadeer8242]

You can always save an idea. And that's what all of these shows/series/franchises really are. Thinking that you can't save them is just an excuse not to try.

[@Pwade21]

All our favorite IPs will be worn as skin suits eventually, maybe multiple times.

[@dimezrecon]

Trek died with Enterprise.

[@Libertarian1776]

Enterprise was the first nails in the coffin, terrible show that constantly tried to one-up TOS.

[@plugsocket9432]

In the 2018 documentary entitled “What we left behind” Ira Steven Behr would like to come back to Star Trek but said he couldn’t due to the Star Trek situation at the time. He wanted to come back but without Rick Berman so that he could not be restricted in his story telling. Even if we got back writers from TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT they may also be infected with ‘the message’. It’s Hollywood after all. We need Rick Berman back and quickly because he is 79 years of age. Some other writers from TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT along with new younger writers to take up the mantle.

[@Molly-ey6lq]

Imagine going back in time to like 2001 and telling young you that someday you would say "we need Rick Berman" and you'd mean it lol. I'm in the same strange boad.

[@plugsocket9432]

@@Molly-ey6lq I know what you mean. Take care and have a nice day.

[@stephenshelton4267]

I saw that documentary, and half of it was great material while the other half was them whining about not being woke. They even participated in the "fine people" hoax against Trump. I think if Steven Behr were given a Star Trek series today it would be a woke cringefest first and foremost.

[@sardonicspartan9343]

They used that "documentary" to rewrite history and insert woke b.s.

[@GremmPaltakin]

the vast majority of them are crazy leftoids - all the writers, actors, production designers. To them Trek must have alphabet people all over it and current day politics.

[@seanmullaney5445]

New series opens on last couple seconds of discovery series, an aged ensign harry kim is startled awake in a cold sweat in sick bay. The dr rushes to his side- “its ok, you had a bad fever” harry-“i had a terrible nightmare” dr- “there there, it was all just a bad dream”

[@cmedtheuniverseofcmed8775]

The only way Skydance can save Star Trek at this point: - Fire Kurtzman. - Make an official announcement that Discovery, SNW, Section 31, and Academy are its own timeline. SNW is okay, but Discovery really destroyed what NuTrek would have been. - Cancel the Academy series (Unfortunately, it was too late when Skydance inherited Paramount's debt). Skydance already canceled the Halo series. - Star Trek Legacy without Kurtzman (or somebody like him) is the only path forward at this time. I'm happy Prodigy was saved, as it sounded like there is a good following and reception to it. - Otherwise, I don't see much of a future for Star Trek. If TOS all the way to Enterprise is being referred to as "The Golden Era," you know that NuTrek is not good. ST Merch sales fell by 80% in one year. It isn't just upset fans, it's pure apathy. If Skydance can't fix it, then it's best to just stop making Star Trek altogether.

[@InfinityNexusReviews]

Agreed, people hate on Enterprise, I think it was one of the best. And the last real Star Trek we have to this day.

[@iamperplexed4695]

I loved it, Scott Bakula is seriously underrated.

[@PoolKid75]

It had many, many issues and was okay at best, but compared to everything made since 2005 it's a masterpiece.

[@RolandDeschainee]

me too

[@trance_trousers]

Couldn't agree more! I loved Enterprise, even the so-called poor episodes/seasons. We didn't realise at the time just how good it was compared to what would come after it.

[@stephenshelton4267]

I've been watching random episodes of Enterprise lately and it was very much underrated as a series. I count myself as part of that from back when it was on TV.

[@strangefire2024]

the problem is that they do not recognize the damage done to the brand at all. they look at the dead body which is the Star Trek franchise and see absolutely nothing wrong with it. the problem is with the fans and their eyes that see the rotting corpse and the problem are their noses that smell the stink of the decomposing body with all those maggots coming out of it.

[@axelhopfinger533]

Because their intent only ever was to use it as a vehicle for their own ideological pet agendas. Doesn't matter if Trek is turned into just a lobotomized Borg drone or Changeling for that purpose. They never had any love or respect for its legacy in the first place.

[@carlrood4457]

To quote Mad MAx's old boss, "People don't believe in heroes anymore." Modern writers don't believe in heroes building a better future, so Star Trek can't be that better future.

[@Patricia599]

I would counter that the writers of SNW and Disco DO believe in heroes - but a specific kind of hero, the Mary Sue kind. No male heroes. That would be toxic masculinity, ya know. But a Michael Burnham who can save the galaxy or a super soldier Chapel who can save the Enterprise and Spock, those are the Trek heroes today. PS I'm not against women being heroes, just EVERY woman character in Trek being a hero.

[@jimmcmillen6864]

Sadly, the Star Trek that always inspired hope for the future, died with the Kelvin Reboots being the first dagger.

[@Rip-Van-Tinkle]

If someone was to make a Startrek series true and faithful to the original values, we'd all be back in a heartbeat.

[@MegaGasek]

Fans are hard to gauge. They made a comic-accurate Hal Jordan for the next Superman, and people made fun of his hair. So, I have fond memories of TNG, Voyager, DS9, TOS but I also like some of the current ''Star Trek''. I see it as: this is not Star Trek. It's the way I found to enjoy them. For me, the real last Star Trek was The Orville.

[@Furzkampfbomber]

No, at least I won't. Not only do I think the people holding the IP are not longer capable of creating something decent, let alone something of true ST spirit, if their lifes depented on it, I got affronted, ridiculed and insulted as a long-term fan for so long, I simply can't be bothered anymore.

[@BetaRayBill32]

​@@MegaGasekThat's not Hal. It's the worst possible interpretation of a "comic accurate" Guy Gardner.

[@Christianos_Theophile]

I'm generally a forgiving person, and if they started making real Trek again, I'd most likely come back. But first, I need an official _APOLOGY_ for what they've done to the brand, and assurances that we're never going down that path again. I need to see that the lesson has been learned, the ones responsible have been let go, and there is genuine contrition. Then I'll forgive... but I'll never forget

[@MegaGasek]

@@BetaRayBill32 I meant to say Guy. I don't know where my mind went for a second there. Thanks for correcting it.

[@Ship-security]

Star Treks only way forward is to make everything we’ve seen since the Berman era part of the Kelvin timeline and start over from that point.

[@0giwan]

The horrifying thing is that if all the new crap was decanonized, there would be ALL sorts of shrieks from people about how they're being erased, they're no longer represented, and so on.

[@tomleonard830]

Because for a couple decades, this has been Trek. Any major change will result in griping, even if it is a return to a previous status quo.

[@Christianos_Theophile]

Sounds like a selling point to me. Let the shrieking commence

[@origami83]

Its only a few dozen, let them shriek.

[@topherbec7578]

Like Star Wars. Star Trek drove away the older fans in favor of new ones that never really materialized, at least not in the numbers they were expecting.

[@death-king1834]

Easy way to fix Star Trek would be to erase everything that has been with it since the Jar Jar Abrams 2009 movie.

[@freedone.]

To be honest, I just don't care. The original Star Trek movies pre 2009, TOS, TNG, Voyager, Enterprise and DS9 is a huge body of work and complete in and of itself. Who says that Star Trek or Dr. Who or Star Wars has to go on forever? Do we need more? Discovery and SNW and the other stuff is mostly junk. Forgettable. I don't know where Star Trek could go from here on in. They did a great job of dragging it into the gutter and now the brand is irrelevant. The Orville did a good job for what it was. Create something new and appreciate the past of Star Trek. It was a beautiful ride up until 2009.

[@AkuTenshiiZero]

It will always be hilarious to me that Galaxy Quest, a movie that was literally intended to be a parody of Star Trek and fan culture, has more love and respect for Star Trek and fan culture than modern Star Trek does.

[@KPierce-xd6vv]

I agree. I love that movie. I have heard some people say that it is one of the best Star Trek movies ever.

[@KRAFTWERK2K6]

Yeah, calling the Kelvin Timeline stuff the "Nightmare Universe" definitely is a proper definition because that's what it is. I think that CBS / Viacom / Paramount license split for Star Trek really was the root cause of the whole ordeal. I don't think it would have gotten THIS bad so sudden without it but probably getting worse more gradually like it did with Doctor Who.

[@lilpwnige]

The thing that frustrates me is they already had a golden template for what modern Star Trek could be and they disregarded it. DS9's Dominion War and the Xindi Arc of Enterprise were both examples of how the core traits that make Trek great could work in a darker, grittier context. It's such a shame.

[@veryStupidInternet]

I'm calling out all the 'trekkies' who thought rebooting Starfleet with a bunch of angsty teens and trying to shoehorn in edgy 'social commentary' into every episode was going to fix the problems. Newsflash: it only made it worse! Discovery's 'character development' is just code for 'trying to make us feel bad about ourselves', Lower Decks is basically Just a cartoon for toddlers, and Strange New Worlds is just more of the same old reboot nonsense . But hey, at least the new leadership has some actual vision... said no one ever. Keep trying, Paramount! We're still holding out hope that you'll finally get it right, but till then, let's just stick to the classics, shall we? 11/10 would recommend keeping your opinions locked away in a Federation storage compartment!

[@axelhopfinger533]

Paramount is out of the picture now. It's all on Skydance now to reform and revive the IP with some actual talent and a love for the Trek legacy. Decanonizing all NuTrek and refusing to air/stream any of it would be a good start.

[@dohadeer8242]

Agree with the shoehorning of messaging but disagree about Lower Decks and Strange New Worlds. Both of those shows have fundamentally solid foundations in their storylines and real potential to lead ST back to a more positive place. The original ST Animated series (circa '73). Slight segue - Maybe letting Seth MacFarlane loose on the ST franchise isn't the worst idea either. Anyone who can turn a comedy/parody show into a serious ST substitute (and get away with it) after being told expressly not to do that exact thing has some real skills IMO!

[@axelhopfinger533]

@@dohadeer8242 Agreed. McFarlane has already proven he has the creative chops to make some actually entertaining and well written pseudo-Trek on par with the best of it. He gets the spirit of Star Trek right. If any big Hollywood name can revive the IP and do its legacy and canon justice, it's probably him.

[@XaqNautilus]

Most of the Star Trek on TV up until 2005 and the first six movies should be canon and is my head-canon. The rest of Star Trek on screen should be discarded. There is some written content out there such as the Star Trek: The Next Generation Technical Manual which should be considered canon as well. Even then, some things like having the Greek god Apollo wondering around shouldn't be revisited either. Could you imagine how amazing it would be if Skydance made that the canon and then released the (hopefully remastered in 4K) Star Trek Canon collection and then made their best effort to faithfully follow that canon? It would be incredible, it would show other failing franchises how to reset and it's probably the only way to save Star Trek. Even if they screwed it up I'd by that Star Trek Canon boxed set, it would be the ultimate collector's edition. *_sigh_* A man can dream.

[@treybrannon4964]

In all seriousness, the biggest problem is they won't hire ANYONE who is a genuine, die hard, loving FAN of the franchise, they'll hire someone to try and shoehorn in the message in a palatable way. That is why they'll fail. Because they haven't learned their lesson, they'll double down on what caused it to crash and burn, just try a different tactic to reach their goal.

[@Mrcharrio]

It has to go away for a significant amount of time so any rebirth has meaning and not just another reboot or new series we don't care about. You have to miss something before you look forward to it's reappearance as pleasing again.

[@nah88]

Terry Matalas had a good feel for things in P3. He and a few of the OG TNG/DS9/VOY with a few younger, optimistic writers, would be the smart move. Star Trek does have to evolve to some extent as we move forward, as with TNG compared to TOS, but it doesn't mean it has to change (as they sadly tried to do)

[@rennmaxbeta]

That third season was a mess too. The writing and characterisation never improved

[@StannieDum1]

I was a life-long Star Trek fan. Right from the sixties when it started and I no longer am. The franchise's systematic destruction began in 2009 with the Abrhams' movies and has continued to sink ever since with just one exception: Picard season 3. It would take a miracle for anybody now to bring it back on track and bring back the legions of fans who have leapt overboard the sinking ship. I do not believe it will happen.

[@rennmaxbeta]

Picard season 3 wasn't good either

[@trekgate3005]

At least Enterprise finally gets the love, appreciation, and respect it deserved. A failing network in UPN and Paramount are what hurt the show the most, not the cast and crew. Still hate that it prematurely got canceled 20 years ago.

[@Codethe_Road]

I don't mind the Kelvin stuff--- because they made a point of separating it from the actual shows and existing Canon.

[@JBurtonPCExpress]

I felt an outcast back in the day being a voyager fan. It’s cool that trek has gotten so bad that the older Trekkie’s now accept me and my voyager love lol

[@Colin_]

Aww im sorry that you felt an outcast back in the day. While not the best spin off imo, Voyager still has its place for all Trekkies to enjoy. ***Cough*** DS9 Rules ***cough*** 🖖.

[@sdfried4877]

@@Colin_ If you look at the first few seasons of Voyager, there were some daring choices but by the time it was ending, the Berman crew had produced over 600 hours of Trek content and things were getting repetitive.

[@Colin_]

@@sdfried4877 this is true. They could have pushed the series a bit more. Adding 7 of 9 helped for a bit and opened up her storyline but even that tailed off towards the end. One thing that really bugged me was despite any damage the ship sustained it was always pristine in the following episode.

[@sdfried4877]

@ Except for the Year in Hell, which got reset anyway. I do love the tidy wrap up of that episode however.

[@Colin_]

@@sdfried4877 yeah that was good.

[@merraxus]

Terry Matalis Picard season 3 was great. Hope they bring him on.

[@Draw2quit]

Never mind the quality of the storylines and depth in the characters. It's inclusive and diverse now and that's all that's important. It's working for Marvel and Star Wars and Doctor who after all, isn't it?

[@Var_ar_Vargen]

You'd have an easier time resurrecting an irradiated corpse with magic blood than you would saving this franchise

[@ObserverAlistair]

Id like to see a new star trek series about Sisko's son - the son he had with Casidy in season 7

[@Skyblade12]

The Kelvin timeline movies were not Trek. But they had a couple of magnificent performances. Karl Urban’s McCoy is absolutely fantastic.

[@PoolKid75]

Keys to saving Star Trek: -De-canonize everything made after 2005 and return to the TNG era esthetic in all areas of ship design, set design and uniforms -Abandon wokeness and preaching to the audience. Give both sides of an argument and let fans decide for themselves -Return to intelligent, optimistic, utopian, thought-provoking science fiction stories -Respect canon and continuity, and rewards fans that pay close attention -No more prequels -Begin with ONE and only ONE new show set after the events of Nemesis, on a starship, with an ensemble cast of mostly humans and some aliens. Concentrate on making this one show as good as it can be before greenlighting any spin-offs or sister shows.

[@nunyabizness6595]

I would also add cinematography: keep things brightly lit, no lensflairs, make it so people can see what's going on. If you want to do colored areas on the ceilings etc like the OG did, that's fine. Hell Star Trek Continues nailed that. I would be totally fine with a retro feel of 1960s but the future (sic) look for Trek going forward. Keep the women's uniforms, make it sexy and screw the wokeness of having effeminate men and manly women.

[@Dreamfox-df6bg]

Agreed. Also maybe do what TNG did and jump a little into the future, maybe another 100 years or so. The show could still reference what came before, do callbacks and pick up stuff from earlier shows to establish the timeline. For example, I'd love to see stuff come back like the Dyson Sphere from 'Relics'. And I don't mean it has to be shown again. Just mention that whatever is currently being constructed is based on things learned from it. There was so much that appeared only once and was forgotten.

[@pauldavies7680]

100% this. And no softening the decanonisation with any notions of a multiverse or any crap like that. What's needed is a purging. A complete elimination of everything since 2005. So that as far as the franchise is concerned, moving forward that stuff never existed at all.

[@PoolKid75]

@@pauldavies7680 100%. No half-measures. No James Gunn DC Universe pick and choose stuff, clean slate, all gone. No acknowledgement that it once existed. Nothing.

[@alexanderk962]

Apologies I did not want this to get so long but I somehow got cougth up in talking… TLDR, I don’t think either the woke nor preachy thing holds any water compared to old trek. I also think New Trek has a lot of things to offer if you give it a fair shot. And I think SNW and both animated shows, yess also Prodigy are pretty damn good. I do wonder, and this is not a rethorical question. Can you tell me when Star Trek hasn’t been “woke”? But before that I do wanna clarify what I mean and why I ask, since I haven’t seen compelling evidence for that. I rather see that whole woke think a nice easy buzz word that some critics throw around if they didn’t like a show or don’t align with the political views of it. Yess sure nobody would have called it “woke” in the 60s - early 00s since that word wasn’t used back then. The definition of what is woke would naturally shift depending on which decade you live on and what would be commonly held believes or socially acceptable opinions. As far as I can tell a lot of things that by like late 60s, when TOS was produced standard, would be considered woke where definitely present in Star Trek dare I say made up a big part of its identity. For example representation for representation sake being woke (since it is today I have no reason to believe it would not have been back then) would in retrospect fit basically all Trek. A good example is the previously named TOS that during the height of the space race and Cold War, during the civil rights movement, just about a decade after the Korea war 3 decades after the Second World War and during the Vietnam war had a Russian, a Japanese guy and a woman of Color as bridge members. Roddenberry even talked about the fact that he cast divers for diversity sake since this is a nice way of showing us overcoming our current divisions. (But imagine a new Trek writer would say that… oh wait they do, but suddenly that is not Star Trek or to woke?) A similar situation came to be during DS9 and Voyager that cast a black man and a women (and a black vulcan) just for the sake of doing representation. As I see it the only difference to today is that the outgroups that are cast on purpose to do the representation are not the same as they used to be since most people have a set of values that don’t disapprove of them (especially those that grew up with Star Trek), instead of black and Asian people Gays, Trans, non binary etc. are who are given representation. Just as Blacks and Asians in the 60s, those are the people that are least accepted by the average Joe so i think those two things are equivalent, but I am willing to listen to another view on that topic. I do also have a second question. This one however actually is rethorical. Since when has Star Trek not been preachy? Sure some episodes don’t seem that way anymore since the conflict or problem of what it is preachy about are not relevant anymore but even if we ignore TOS and TAS (since those are way to easy targets to make that point … s3ep15…) the other big 3 have a lot of episodes that could be more preachy if one would have tried. In a lot of cases they are actually even highly popular episodes like “the measure of a man”. I think if one gives the new Trek shows a fair chance there is a lot to like .. yess also a lot to dislike, but just ask voyager and enterprise fans how tough other Trekkies used to be on them for the flaws of their shows. I dislike Discovery, not as much as some people but it never really fought me… and I couldn’t bring myself to even finish the first season of Picard yet, but SNW is in my opinion the best live action trek since DS9 (and I do quite like both VOY and ENT), Lower decks is very good too thought I get that the Humor is not everybody. SNW especially I think isn’t just good trek but also a good prequel, it gives people like Pike, Mbemga and Chapel a lot to do, introduces great new characters like Laan and has (tied with DS9s TOS Crossover) the best non movie Trek time travel episode. Another surprising thing was Prodigy, I put of watching it for years but when I finally did I regretted that decision quit a lot… the animation style and supposed focus on kids made me unsure but besides the usual starting problems every trek show has it is actually a very mature show that really is a good watch both for new Trekkies and veterans, telling silly and more heavy stories somehow both at the same time.

[@nightsheart6929]

The fix could be that all the bad shows are either Holodeck simulations, which some Federation officer shuts down and walks out of the room, or they are the result of Q interfering with the timeline.

[@ianlassitter2397]

Skydance has to work on fan engagement and building bridges. Not doing what CBS/Paramount did which was attack the biggest fans on line....they instead should be willing to have a spokesperson or two, sit in on fan conversations, answer questions, offer insight on decisions, etc. CBS/Paramount attacked fans rather than talking with them. Fans will ALWAYS ask more insightful and meaningful questions then shill media ever will.

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

You don't build a fanbase to produce a show. You produce a show that creates a fanbase.

[@carlrood4457]

The big problem with the Kelvan timeline movies is that the characters weren't really the characters, particularly Kirk. Chris Pine played the caricature of Kirk that many have built up from casual viewing. Despite what many think, Kirk wasn't a "womanizer". He actually had a lot of actually relationships with women he deeply cared for and who still cared for him. They were with highly intelligent, accomplished, and professional women (lawyer, scientists, social worker). The whole "girl of the week" thing was overblown and was more often than not him just using his charm as a ruse to save his ship and/or crew. Other than one "Science Department Christmas Party", there's little evidence he was the one night stand type in his personal life. As for his rule breaking, that is something he had to learn along the way. That's not how he was in his youth. Gary Mitchell states how serious he was as an Academy instructor. He described himself as "grim" in those days and was bullied with Finnegan's practical jokes. He reported the error of his friend, Ben Finney as a young ensign. In my head canon, it was the events on the Farragut that changed him. His hesitation in firing (which we know made no difference) and seeing his captain and crewmates killed led him to be the man we saw on TV. He'd take the risks to protect his crew, even risks a captain shouldn't. I see it as similar to Picard's brawl with the Nausicans in how it shaped them.

[@sdfried4877]

Note: The Science Department Christmas Party didn't happen that way. Helen Noel told Kirk he was a perfect gentleman, who introduced himself, talked about the stars and left. She then said, "I propose it happened a different way" and we see the whole scene with them in her quarters, which was a fabrication. As for Kirk's antics, he only really fell for women (and an android) a few times. Far more often, Kirk was using his God given talents to get information or to otherwise confuse and conflict certain adversaries in order to save his ship, his friends, etc. For Kirk, seduction often worked as well as a phaser or a drop kick.

[@DrGeorgePBurdell-USN-1701]

Agreed, young Kirk was TNG Picard, and young Picard was caricature Kirk. Roddenberry wanted Kirk to be a spacefaring Horatio Hornblower. It's interesting to see Hornblower in his various jobs (frigate Captain, port admiral, first rate Captain, etc.) through that book series in each classic Trek Captain.

[@templar-asimov9252]

The only way I’ll have faith with in any new writers. Is if they erase the stupid storyline that has Romulus’ sun going supernova.

[@saladinbob]

I appreciate that Skydance understand the value of Star Trek and want to fix the damage done to it but to fix the damage done they need to bring people in who not only understand Star Trek, but are untainted by the same values of those who damaged it in the first place, and that's not going to be easy.

[@LoreCraft]

Terry Matalas did a remarkable job with Picard season 3. I'd elect him to take full control of the franchise.

[@team_fiasco]

Let him make a show, before he gets a franchise. S3 was better than most recent things but it wasn't a grand slam

[@Lukas-Trnka]

I wouldn't. I don't think he would be the right person for being a head of ST producers. I wouldn't mind him being also involved, but not as a boss of it all.

[@qui-gonrick7002]

No. Season 3 was definitely the best of nu trek, but it was all memberberries. A franchise can't survive on just reminding us how good it used to be.

[@davidlandrum]

No, he didn’t.

[@keggs73]

Star Trek Voyager had a lower decks episode which I like, it was nice to see more of the ship and its crew.

[@alexanderrollo3082]

I think The Orville was the most Trek like show in tone and feel to come out in recent years. It doesn't get nearly enough respect.

[@ELEKTROSKANSEN]

I'm a die hard TNG era trekkie and I approve Lower Decks as something simply amazing. You say "something like this would never happen in the 90s" while Galaxy Quest is perceived as one of the best Star Trek movies by loving fans. You gotta let go of the hate autopilot, dude. Yes, STD, PIC and SNW are awful. Section 31 will be utter trash. But LD is a different breed. It is made by people who obviously know and love TNG Trek. There's nothing wrong in making light of the show we love. What's next, you'll tell me that all the SNL bits or parodies in The Simpsions are heresy? Lighten up.

[@AnimalStomper]

I used to really likes Star Trek and watched episodes almost every day. But nu trek has made me think maybe I didn't like it all that much after all. Liking it seems like a very distant memory.

[@DanielPagano-ie3xn]

The saddest thing is that the current Star Trek has created a universe no sane person would want to live in. This is totally opposite to the original vision.

[@SimpMcSimpy]

Indeed- They went full circle, from immersive ScFi to repulsive DEI infested garbage.

[@SolarWraith]

Tilly exists...the damage from her alone is just too great to save Trek. As I see it Star Trek is the saucer section of the Enterprise D after it crashed on Veridian III.

[@sdfried4877]

"Which, sadly, cannot be salvaged" - Jean Luc Picard, Generations

[@thystaff742]

Axanar the independent film makers have been working on since 2010 looks to be a direction for star trek to take. Except Paramount refused to work with them in producing a series. I'd like to see Skydance take them up on their offer.

[@shlomokallner3180]

At 4:27, not me, my parents took me to see First Contact in the theater! As a kid.

[@treybrannon4964]

Don't even know what the question is, but the answer is, "No".

[@skepticalsmurf]

Star Trek(IMO)was always about a hopeful future for both mankind and the universe,with the aforementioned merger maybe the IP can be navigated into a new and brighter course,Live Long and Prosper 🧐

[@deforealpole9835]

Another rule to keep. The essence, and pride to be a part of Star Fleet. No more snarky futures, rainbow agenda, DEI, and sandbox attitudes.

[@sdfried4877]

Modern Trek certainly has... umm... pride.

[@bumblebee9337]

We need to bring back the Krenim leader Annorax, and have him clean up this mess - including the Wesley problem.

[@allank534]

Actually a great idea!! I think Prodigy has gone some way in fixing the Wesley storyline and it was done tastefully!

[@sdfried4877]

@@allank534 Wesley is essentially the Fifteenth Doctor, at this point. He's even got a cool jacket.

[@Christianos_Theophile]

Wesley's existence is the Wesley problem

[@mattmaes]

There's no resurrecting this cadaver. Time for new creators, new ideas.

[@micheal6898]

As someone not even 25 years in to life , have to say the Reboots where the first movies i saw in the franchise. they got me into watching TNG ,DS9 ect so even though they are Pretty Poor i dont look down on them with the same distrain. hey the First one was ok ? lol

[@sillyrabbit734]

Piccard season three set up a SEQUEL I would pay good money to see Enterprise G, under Captain Seven - BUT for god sake, let the ship go through a refit, the Enterprise being an outmatched underdog has been beaten to death already

[@josephnash2081]

Everything ends and everybody dies. Let Star Trek die. The future it envisioned is the dream of the past. Let us have a new IP that draws its inspiration from the 21st Century.

[@Christianos_Theophile]

The 21st century has been absolutely dystopian. If you want an IP inspired by that, you should love Nu Trek. The dreams of the past were better dreams

[@ianoz1]

@@Christianos_Theophile Perfect response.

[@JinSangha]

Terry Matalas understands Star Trek and has the vision. He should get the reins to the future of the franchise.

[@rennmaxbeta]

The franchise needs to be completely taken away from Bad Robot etc to have any chance of recovery. The current "writers" are just execrable

[@absynthminded]

Don't forget they gave our Brilliant Super Vulcan, Dyslexia.

[@sgshaday]

I am in my 30s and Voyager was running when I was a kid as well as DS9. I remember TNG too earlier on. My dad made sure I was in tune with all of Trek as well. By 2009 I was already in college and on my third year... So... 2009 Trek was not my Trek.

[@d.boogie3691]

I love Lower Decks! STD was bad. SNW is a work in progress. Better but just okay.

[@Paul_1971]

Lowest Dregs more like

[@Choalith_Ikanthe]

I have to admit, Lower Decks had a rough start. It tried too hard to fit into roles it didn't belong in, a lot like how Enterprise started. The establishing scene where we find out how defective the leads are in Lower Decks was every bit as cringe to me as the scene in the Enterprise pilot where they tried to be "sexy" with the disinfectant gel. Yet, over time, Lower Decks has shown me the ability to not only have heart, but have the core of the Federation's ideals behind the goofy antics and idiocy. It matured meaningfully. Enterprise... did not. It got close, in it's last season, and I fully believe that if they had gotten their fifth season, pushed through the refit, made the connections they wanted... it could have been. But in the end, I feel like part of a minority when I say, I like Lower Decks more than Enterprise, as a contributing member of the franchise. I almost like it more than Voyager. Voyager had some really good ideas, some great acting, and some wonderful characters, but the constant waffling on motives, the endless reset buttons, the infinite shuttles and infinite torpedoes, the sheer unchanging, unfeeling stasis, the completely bleached experience soured it for me. The best of Voyager were the moments they took the shackles off and let there be consequences, or let Janeway be *wrong* for a change, even if they didn't fix her continuous hypocrisy. TNG almost suffered the same fate, but had a production crew that fought for real emotionally mature and intellectually stimulating stories, and as a result, TNG is the best of Star Trek IMHO. DS9 is shoulder-to-shoulder with it for the same reasons, the willingness to allow conflict, while keeping the characters to the right side of their own moral foundations. And once you look past the edgy absurdity of Lower Decks, that's what I find pulls me to it. The characters learn and grow. The scenarios change and challenge. There are consequences. Yet, it always goes back to the soul of Trek; Exploration; Exploring the potential of all of us to be better people. STD is the worst of all, specifically because it violates this central theme, the soul of Trek, utterly. It betrays any hope for Humanity, for People, of being anything but petty, self-righteous, emotionally-focused partisans. TNG had an entire episode where they faced the horrific concept of Euthanasia as Eugenics, and was able to make it an earnest, compelling exploration of a shocking and abhorrent topic. They faced the controversial with grace, dignity, and introspection. STD couldn't handle having one character with morally grey ideas not turning into a paper-thin mustache-twirling psychopath the instant his motivations were exposed. Ironically, killing the best character of the entire show only halfway into the first season. Politics has always been in Star Trek... but Star Trek always had the maturity to take Politics seriously and give ideas more than half a thought. Exploration! Exploring ideas! Exploring consequences! Exploring reasons! STD never wanted to explore anything, it just wanted Drama and Preaching. It wanted us to know that anything ideologically foreign to the Writers was Awful.

[@AnkushNarula]

Star Trek is a victim of the legacy big budget cash-up-front distribution model. This incentivized the worst tendencies in the license holders. Now that the IP is more or less consolidated, Skydance would be wise to embrace an Internet-first distribution and business model that bridges together old and new media platforms and technologies. For example, imagine Skydance acquires Cloud Imperial Games (or some such technology company) and creates a virtual digital cinematic universe which can be used to produce a new immersive kind of Star Trek experience (with built-in tools for production). In such a digital universe, canonical events and persistent effects would be immutable (eg the destruction of Kronos), but the canonical universe can be forked at any time marker to create a parallel universe for fan filmmaking and third-party gaming products. Licensing and royalties become can be negotiated and accounted for down to every relevant digital artifact. Etc etc.

[@hi-q2261]

Star Trek has to be a future you want to live in. It is. Inspiration more than anything else that Is what they have lost. 🤨

[@Phreddy666]

The Kelvin Universe was not all bad. The first few minutes of the first film with Chris Hemsworth is worth watching if you ignore the changes to canon. It's not Star Trek, but those 5- 10 minutes are entertaining, If viewed as outside actual Star Trek. STD - Star Trek Dumpster fire was the death knell for me.

[@MT-zb7eg]

I think the last piece of Star Trek media made; the 1996 film, First Contact, was a good ending/beginning point. We got to see the TNG cast save both past and future. It was just nice. After having nearly 30 years of no new Star Trek film, series, or content, I think we're all content with having no new content. It is what it is, and that is just fine.

[@confitao]

Dumb ass here: I never gave too much of a shit on Star Trek before the Kelvin Trilogy and I still love it. But it was after that I decided to watch TOS, TNG and the 10 movies previous and I learnt to love every single piece of classical ST before the damn reboots. I still thank the Kelvin movies as they made me closer to ST, but I know fully grasp why they are just mid to bad compared to the original media. And I am new a certified Picard simp. It took me a long time to appreciate Star Trek, and I regret I didnt do this before. I just wish they would bring Frakes into the fold as a consultant, that guy just shines with joy in the interviews about his ST life.

[@Man_With_No_Name1985]

Star Trek ended over twenty years ago. Period!!!!!!! Get over it.

[@Paul_1971]

All the three franchises of Trek, Wars and Who ended at 2005 for me. End of Enterprise/Berman era, Revenge of the Sith/prequel-era, start of Nu-Who/RTD era respectfully.

[@MadweeJock]

Not holding my breath.

[@DisgruntledDoomer]

I actually really like Lower Decks, and it would have been interesting to see "a 90s take" on the same idea, too. Maybe it would have been less like Rick & Morty, and more like Beavis & Butt-Head, LOL! I'm also cautiously optimistic about Academy and whatever comes next. If Skydance can buy Kurtzman and his cronies out, it could be smooth sailing from there! Just focus on storytelling and keep it relatively inexpensive to produce. The Orville had a nice balance in that.