Can Tiger Lake still roar? | Geekom Mini IT11

[@lharsay]

Back then even AMD was shocked that Zen2 mobile was beating Tiger Lake.

[@alderlake12th]

Yes, beating an H35 ones?? The 5000 series is full list lose when competing with Tiger Lake H45 Weird PCIE version, high temp whenever consumes less power, less stability.

[@TheBcoolGuy]

"Back then." Bro this was like 3 seconds ago. This thing is miles newer than anything I've ever owned.

[@yasu_red]

The 11370H/11390H were very bizarre. Basically just a U series CPU with a boosted power budget, but no extra cores like the other H series i7s have. Many mobile i5s of the same period also had more cores, so it truly was an H series i7 in name only.

[@redhoodedduke9967]

I really hate the i7 11th gen mobile cpu’s. At the time when they first released, I was looking for a gaming/programming laptop for my now ex and also myself since I was going into college. Found a 3070 laptop with this i7 for sub $1000, was thrilled because it seemed like an amazing deal but was suspicious of it from the price. Did some digging and found out that it couldn’t even handle a power kneecapped 3070 because it was that weak. What’s sad is that despite 11th gen desktop being very lackluster, 11th gen mobile was actually an upgrade in core count and IPC from 8th-10th gen but it just kinda sucked.

[@angeryanimal398]

I have a 8850h and its literally miles faster than the 11th gen. Bizzare

[@selohcin]

I was pleasantly surprised to see that I am not the only Rogue Leader fan out there! (I wasn't able to play that game with perfect frame rates on any CPU until I tried it on my 5800X3D.) Keep rocking, Iceberg.

[@TheCarloalberto95]

Im glad you included emulation, rpcs3 is pretty demanding for cpu, personally i got mine based on performance on emulators lol i got a 11400F cause is not that expensive and is pretty powerful

[@DragonBane299]

2 MINUTES LETS GOO Love your content man, you're criminally underrated!

[@cleanycloth]

12th/13th gen Intel is when these chips really shot off and your graphs (mostly!) show. I have an i7-12700H 14 core(!!!) in my Nitro 5 laptop and it just flies. It was scored double what my Ryzen 5 1600X did in Passmark and is only 1/3 the score of my current Ryzen 9 7950X desktop. Paired with a 6GB 3060, 144Hz display, 16GB RAM, 512GB PCIe 4 SSD (with a spare slot and 2.5” upgrade kit included), all for £999? I couldn’t say no to that. And it’s got Thunderbolt on the back!

[@SantoCimbalo-i7m]

Where did you get this holy grail of a laptop

[@Bizarny]

14 core in the spec sheet only. 8 of those are efficient and act like half of a performance core.

[@cleanycloth]

@@Bizarny Indeed, but a core is still a core. 6c12t performance, 8c8t efficiency.

[@cleanycloth]

@@SantoCimbalo-i7mPC World UK last year, it had about £200 off RRP for some reason lol

[@BonusCrook]

Imagine buying a 1000£ laptop and only getting 6Gb of vram in 202X. That's so bullshit.

[@gandalf5895]

I'm sure a 8c/16t version (i7-11700H) would perform waaay better. This CPU by itself it's a joke - when was the last time we've seen a 4-core i7? Ah yes, Haswell...

[@BonusCrook]

GPU bottleneck bro

[@fisfisarenskanal]

I just invested in a used ryzen 5 2400g nuc as a living room pc + emulation. Interested to see how it holds up on this. Was cheaper so would think mostly not.

[@Azureskies01]

There literally is no reason for any company to go with an intel solution vs an AMD one. Putting these terrible little mini PCs out in the wild are just costing the average consumer that doesn't know any better. Pis solve the low power single board computing tasks and any somewhat new AMD APU solves the mid to high end. Intel just needs to stay out of arenas where they can't compete at all unless they want to sell their parts for peanuts (they will never do this).

[@BonusCrook]

I agree but nobody probably buys these over a 7840hs one.

[@GeForce210]

Guts.. HD 630 with real deal 2gb vram ver. Of GT710

[@docrx1857]

My gaming laptop has an 11800h and a laptop 3080. The cpu has never struggled to keep up with GPU. I have been happy with the combo.

[@BonusCrook]

I hope its the 16G 3080 💀

[@baoquoc3710]

@@BonusCrook the laptop 3080 is actually only tad more powerful than 3060ti anyway

[@BonusCrook]

@@baoquoc3710 ok and?

[@SuperStareGry]

Any Ryzen 5th gen Ryzen machine may cost less and still be faster than this. This is only quad core. Thank god AMD happened cause would still be rozking quad cores and dual cores.

[@rinsenpai135]

It really depends on a per-country basis. Any AMD mobile CPU in laptops is currently more expensive than any Intel counterpart where I live, unless we talk about a 13700HX or 13900H and above... Really a shame now AMD charges premium prices while scamming people with soon completely outdated Vega iGPU in their Ryzen 7000 CPUs.

[@Elomentoplayz]

I think why it's not great is because it still has the Intel Quad Core Dark Ages curse to it.

[@janos1993]

I own a gpd win Max handheld laptop. It came with an I5 1035g7 and after like two years I upgraded the whole motherboard to a Tiger lake based one. My cpu was and still is the I7 1195g7, that goes up to 5,0GHz. All I have to say is that Tiger lake has been a major upgrade for my personal computing needs and especially gaming profited massively. The xe GPU is a major step up and it allowed me to play games like elden ring at 720p 30fps locked without any frame drops with decent settings. What I don't really like is the fact, that Intel has locked down undervolting and other forms of tweaking (I usually get massive efficiency gains tweaking my cpus).

[@Brisou394]

I feel you, I went from 1065G7 to a 1165G7. That DG1 (Xe) is an appreciable upgrade even if it isn't realy made for 1080p. It supports 3440x1440@144hz, has AV1 decode, VRR,... On the same node (10nm), Tiger Lake was a massive upgrade in frequency over Ice Lake.

[@RowdyDandy]

I like intels Tiger Lake connectivity, but the thermals are not great on my i5 11400H. Plus watch out which batch is used in a machine, as some dont support Thunderbolt 4 caused by the global cough, like mine lol.

[@denvera1g1]

If you need intel this is a great kit. I personally picked up a 7840HS based unit for ~$20 US more, but it didnt come with drive or RAM, let alone name branded like lexar, which also means it didnt have a windows licence. (i got bare bones because i was going to get a pair of 4TB drives and 32GB of storage, didnt want to buy a complete unit and emediately shelve the parts)

[@BonusCrook]

Oh hey mr fedsagainstguns nice to see you here

[@darren253]

Intel GPU performance is always awful. I get why firms use it to keep costs down. But you could throw a 4GB gpu at least.

[@BonusCrook]

It also lets AMD get away with their underwhelming IGPUs because beating a 7 year old 1050 ti which cost $140 is supposed to be impressive.

[@Aha5653ch.]

I hope can play cs2 with -threads 17 launch command and lowest setting with disabled fx super res on it

[@BonusCrook]

DO NOT BUY THIS SHIT FOR GAMING.

[@nupagagyi]

50 watts while playing with 20 fps. Well, well, well. :-)

[@gamerdudegamerdude4961]

$500? There are definitely much better minipc's outthere or just buy a Handheld Portable PC like Steamdeck, Asus ROG, Aya, etc. with Ryzen/RDNA igpu

[@killkiss_son]

The thing that makes me angry is that you can't get a laptop with a good CPU but no dedicated GPU. I can get a ryzen 7840hs and rtx 4060 for like 1100€ but why can't I just have the same laptop whiteout the dedicated GPU for 300€ cheaper

[@BonusCrook]

Because laptop manufacturers are run by idiots and psychopaths my guy.

[@12100F]

I generally like tiger lake, as it's the newest of what I'd consider to be "usable" architectures from Intel. It's the second generation of Intel mobile chips this decade to not be using Skylake, so the cores are pretty OK, and it uses the still (somehow) current gen Xe-LP GPU uarch. It's also on their second-gen 10nm node, making for an overall usable chip. Not to say that older uarches aren't usable, they totally are, just that TGL is the oldest uarches that I'd still consider "newish"

[@Rulumi]

This is an strange "H" model and 4 cores are 4 cores, nowdays they are just fine. But even so this thing is a bit weird, this CPU is performing worse than a 1135G7 connected to AC in almost every test.

[@bloodgoat]

“It’s come a long way in 2 1/2 generations..” I see what you did there 😉😉😉

[@OpsMasterWoods]

I7 11370h is so bad used to br in cheap 3070 laptops ,which made the i7 boottlenck the 3070 due to its 4cores....

[@FroggyTWrite]

what speed was the ram running at?

[@IcebergTech]

3200. Not sure of the CL, probably 22.

[@BonusCrook]

Cl22 💀

[@S己G]

Comparing this to what is (almost) a direct competitor, the Ryzen 7 5800U found in my laptop, is... Interesting. Especially considering that my laptop only runs at 15 watts yet in games, seems to be quite a lot more stable.

[@Davinmk]

amd apus simply are better, even today, intels new gen apu barely competes with amd’s last gen

[@calebmenker988]

More powerful, uses less power, often available for less AMD is really the only good option for laptops

[@BonusCrook]

Jarrods tech usually finds the CPU performance per watt to be similar intel/amd. So just better in iGPU.

[@mutter6202]

when are you gonna review the a380 again? I'm eyeing the card and kinda want to pair it with a 4000 series cpu and wonder if the pcie 3 chipset of it will bottleneck the card.

[@mareksinister]

Even devil's canyon is still more than usable, 11th gen is not that old...

[@donaldnemesis393]

I like how it's even slower than my i7 6700 on cinebench r23

[@tranceeris]

No offense, but using windows 11 as an operating system just puts any pc in disadvantage.

[@BonusCrook]

What do you think of the poor state of laptop GPUs and their terrible VRAM capacity for the last few years?

[@IcebergTech]

I don't have any direct experience, as I've had the same RTX 2060 laptop for over 2 years now and can't justify the price of an upgrade yet. I'm in the privileged position that any game that doesn't run well on my laptop, I can just run on my desktop instead... but yeah, I guess it would be nice to have the best of both worlds.

[@adinnugroho6544]

I don't know if I would got 11th Gen Intel Core device. Mine is Lenovo IdeaPad Slim 3 14". Using Core i3 1115G4 This chip, seems pretty powerful. I use it for daily use, some content creation

[@Elomentoplayz]

I wonder if you'll actually get sponsored by these people once you get 100k subs...

[@IcebergTech]

If you mean making paid content, no. They and others have offered, but I didn’t think it seemed right.

[@thelunchbox420x]

That sounds pretty expensive for what the CPU is.

[@Iristallite]

0:28 wow, i can't believe i'm a graphics card!

[@riczz4641]

MF where is the music after the one second pause at the beginning?😡

[@BonusCrook]

For low end GPUs you should benchmark Lethal Company, its very GPU hungry even though it shouldn't be.

[@harryshuman9637]

This video pretty much explains why Intel NUCs failed. Not only the performance is terrible, but you also pay hefty premium for the form factor.

[@dvgf8612]

Great Video

[@TrusteftTech]

200 less, perhaps. Well over 400, for a slow 4 core...yeah no.

[@gorjy9610]

But for what? I'm sure that it is great everyday PC for web and office but $60 old refurbished prodesk mini will also do that good enough. And for everything else this is too slow and too hot. Pointless machine, I'm sure more than few people buy it for i7 brand just to end up hating minipc's in the end.

[@BonusCrook]

​​@@gorjy9610for an everyday pc you can get a 1080p i5 1145g7 laptop for like under $300, I got one for $227. 💀

[@TrusteftTech]

@@gorjy9610 Everyday web browsing, and some office work would be fine. But yes, not for over 400.

[@mattirealm]

Tiger Lake was a big step up from Rocket Lake; but obviously Alder Lake is better than both. I have found Tiger Lake to be a pretty good setup with an 11800H and a higher Ampere dGPU onboard. It was nice because Intel finally gave the laptops PCIe Gen 4 (which is still smoking fast BTW), more cache and a better memory controller. They do get hot though, these chips. Again, this chip you tested seems weak to me; but the 8 core 11800H is not weak at all. Interesting video.

[@AlexandruJalea]

Juat realised: procrastinating at work watching your video. I guess ... Thats not too bad. Well done!

[@radzimeg]

I must say that I love the progress of the whole editing style. Keeping it the same, yet making it more "professional". Keep it up!

[@CounterStrikeNexusAmongU-wl8vp]

I would like to see ps3 emulation on your tests

[@GamerRafay12]

i have the same cpu and it has 35 watt tdp.

[@AndersHass]

Maybe with Vulkan implementing encoding like AV1 and H.264 the integrated GPU could be more useful in the future.

[@weelebaseknowles4410]

Try a video where u try to game on a cheap mac

[@GewelReal]

Tiger Lake architectre was really impressive. Even today being not that far off Alder Lake

[@Coconutgl]

Lovely, when did it roar?

[@nicholasbrooks7349]

I have question should i get the gt 710 or 210? Both I heard are powerful but i don't know what to get?

[@BonusCrook]

Get the oldest shittiest one you can find.

[@ZERARCHIVE2023]

GT210 @@BonusCrook

[@quinncamargo]

I hope this channel doesnt become a mini pc review channel. Dont get me wrong, its great but pls do more old tech reviews or be a old school vs new cheap pcs. Great video😅

[@IcebergTech]

The plan right now is that I will continue to make my weekly Friday videos as my personal projects, as I have since I started the channel. When people send me a product to review, i.e. a mini PC, a monitor, whatever, I will aim to put that out on a Monday. There won't always be a video on Mondays, but there will (hopefully) always be a video on Fridays.

[@BonusCrook]

​​@@IcebergTechan increased focus on gameplay and good games and looking at components on camera would be excellent.

[@merkedgg6322]

Can you test a erying i9 tiger lake

[@amplefy2729]

From your experience with buying used from CeX have you ever used their 2 year warranty? and how would you compare their used products to ones bought from private sellers on websites with or without buyer protection and the original product warranties? As ive seen CeX takes away most of your savings from buying used and im wondering how much you think the 2year warranty is worth from them :)

[@IcebergTech]

I've used the warranty several times. If I'm inside 7 days of delivery they usually just inspect it and then refund within a day. I don't always get chance to return within the 7 day window, so when that happens they tend to refund as a voucher. I've had a number of items from CeX that straight up didn't work, weren't what I ordered, or were in terrible condition, so if they weren't so easygoing about their warranty I'd be much more reluctant to use them. As it is, the convenience of being able to walk to my local store and have them help with problems is worth far more to me than anything eBay offers in the way of buyer protection. It's been a while since I had a bad experience as a buyer on eBay, but I still feel a certain preference for CeX. Unless I'm looking for something specific, or there's a big price difference, I usually prefer to buy from CeX if I can.

[@joemarais7683]

wtf it’s not Friday.

[@themistoclesnelson2163]

Not worth it at that price.

[@delorusclaiborne3274]

The tiger gargles, blows a bubble and sinks 😂

[@Karti200]

Problem with tiger lake iGPU perfromance… for best you either had to go with „G7” model (11th gen) or „P” variant with 12/13th gen Those were only one that could still kinda „fight” with AMD Strongest „P” variant was placed somewhere between R680M and R640M

[@BonusCrook]

Too bad good value 680m/780m laptops that can game don't actually exist.

[@ZERARCHIVE2023]

Ryzen APUs exist too

[@BonusCrook]

@@ZERARCHIVE2023 not in laptops for a reasonable price. you cant get something like a 7840H Laptop with a 1600p screen and no gpu for like $600 with upgradable ram.

[@radiofuture6911]

499 for this? No.

[@BonusCrook]

I agree, what a scam.

[@ZERARCHIVE2023]

559 in my region lmao

[@pvtcmyers87]

Keep up the awesome work as usual iveberg

[@Brisou394]

It has Xe so it has AV1 decode

[@BonusCrook]

Not all Xe maybe.

[@Lubenggazzi]

Mines just suffering with i7-1195G7

[@Brisou394]

Well that thing is fast and super responsive thanks to the high frequency and no e-cores. But 4 cores isn't enough for gaming nor the DG1 isn't made for 1080p. 10nm can't give you more; the only way to get more powerfull is to go intel 4 (5nm) just like the intel ultra7 155H

[@teaspoon966]

Great video, great content.

[@ZERARCHIVE2023]

559$, not cheap.

[@BonusCrook]

just say its bad value

[@ZERARCHIVE2023]

Bad value and quite a bad product. Our man reviewing this CPU just say it thermal throttled so hard it shutted down just by launching a Cinebench test. If it doesn't even pass a cinebench, it's better to completely skip this product completely. Shame on him for continuin to promoute this horrible product 💀 (Didn't watched the full video, like I said, if the CPU isn't able to pass that god damn test, Its just a shame on all levels.)@@BonusCrook

[@Sim7NYY]

Again 714

[@Sim7NYY]

Then 7/38 in bios

[@BonusCrook]

Hey Iceberg can you make a D1$(0rd? for some reason youtube keeps deleting my comment when i ask. Love the videos!

[@IcebergTech]

I'll think about it