CAN WE MAKE THE RED-EYES BLACK DRAGON... GOOD?

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[@davidaugustine399]

Pass

[@RobertRipz]

New cubics 😅

[@RobertRipz]

Fusions, a field and a Crimson Nova the Dark Cubic lord clone, an extra vijam and a golden lord clone Cubic.

[@PiantaBroker]

when the anime said blue-eyes is power and red-eyes is potential, i didn't think they meant deck style. Blue-eyes has a direction, while red-eyes doesn't

[@dumbino7745]

Red-Eyes is the ADHD student that can't settle on a career path so they keep switching what classes they are in every semester.

[@jugemujugemu4690]

Grinds my gears because I thought that’s what they’d do because of stuff like inferno fire way back too

[@zaleww5824]

Red eyes is just burn with fat boys sitting ont he field abd there is dragon link who uses it' stuff better than it's own deck lol

[@swisschese1323]

Gonna start telling my unemployed son that he is just having potential.

[@Kumo-s6f]

If being bad at synchro summoning and being slightly less awful at fusion and XYZ summoning counts as a "direction," Blue-Eyes has certainly got one. The direction of all time, even.

[@__-be1gk]

FLARE METAL WAS LITERALLY IN THE FIRST SUPPORT WAVE. THEY *IMMEDIATELY* GOT IT RIGHT THEN JUST GAVE UP. AN XYZ THAT REVIVES AND BURNS. IT WAS THAT SIMPLE, THATS EVERYTHING RED-EYES IS ABOUT.

[@aidanyoung9133]

Zoomer moment: the Red-Eyes structure was back in GX

[@somethingcleverandwitty567]

​@@aidanyoung9133that was a dragon structure with a single new red-eyes card. It wasn't a support wave

[@aidanyoung9133]

@@somethingcleverandwitty567 very small wave

[@calumbishop7082]

Yes, and Konami made it generic, meaning it sees more play in decks like Kashtira than it does in its parent archetype.

[@somethingcleverandwitty567]

@aidanyoung9133 no. By that logic, metal raiders giving Black skull dragon was a Rd-Eyes support wave

[@gucci-shinigami]

I really like the idea of Red-Eyes being about the grind game, encapsulating Joeys perseverance and never staying down for long. I don’t think you need to do Zombie stuff *specifically* for that, but Unchained/Tearlament styles of destruction and fusion/synchro/xyz in the graveyard could be interesting

[@therranolleo468]

go fuse everytime you deal burn, but on a coinflip, to compliment that "ohh nice I milled a Tear card" feel lol

[@N12015]

@@therranolleo468 Should be the other way around, burn at random. We want consistency with random spice, being random is too much for a deck who is already struggling as much as red-eyes.

[@gucci-shinigami]

Yeah like maybe a red-eyes that’s like “if this card was destroyed by card effect, use this and another monster in your graveyard for a fusion summon. If this card was destroyed by a Red-Eyes card effect, you can use a card in your opponents graveyard and this card for a fusion” a la that one Fossil Fusion archetype

[@Wuunderboy]

kzbin.infoVGYsFcaFwz4?si=VWWdSakhFzdLuGV9

[@marchmelloow]

What made Jounouchi's deck good in the manga/anime was its ability to adapt to any situation. Cards like Graverobber let him be as powerful as his opponent by using their cards (which works less now than the manga/anime where everyone played so many generic cards); Cards like Rocket Warrior and Jinzo let him overpower any monster/trap; etc. Despite this, every Red-Eyes support card refused to focus on this aspect of his deck. Instead, we get burn.... which was when _Marik_ was controlling him using banned cards. In other words, all the burn cards are really Marik support than Jounouchi support, lol.

[@zaleww5824]

Lmao so true but it can't get any actual support thanks to dragon link being a thing. They either have to give the deck structure deck with insanely broken but racist cards that locks you only rebd and does mostly anything in any situation, highly consistent since it's decks main problem but not the greatest deck or they can't release any decent support sadly

[@qwertystop]

Perseverence plus toolboxing, is how I see it. Maybe some scaling on how many of your bosses you've lost, so the more pressure you're under the harder you can fight back. A continuous or field for tag-out or floating? Melffy (everything tags out for each other) meets Generaider (deck made entirely of a continual flow of differently-situational bosses) meets Numeron (wincons that turn into bigger wincons if they aren't enough).

[@marchmelloow]

@@qwertystop The idea to make Red-Eyes into a deck where you get stronger the more you lose is definitely a great idea.

[@Merilirem]

I remember thinking of this and just realizing that's branded. Like Branded is literally what Red Eyes could have been, minus the lore. Though Albaz is a red eyed black dragon.

[@ggwp638BC]

Tbf, his deck was never "good". While he does become a proper duelist at the end, he still lags behind Yugi, Kaiba and many others. In part, the fact his deck lacks focus and relies too much on luck is a showcase of that.

[@gamerkingdom1442]

8:11 That FULL ART is so good….. 😭

[@DespianGrimmPaldea]

There's also full art versions of Black Skull, Meteor Black, and coincidentally Red-Eyes Black Dragon too. Shame we uh... we don't have Rush as a product in the West, much less the Over Rush Rares.

[@Deadlad69]

Konami please just give us rush duel in paper! PLEASE!!! 😭

[@metalmariomega]

No one knows how to build Red-Eyes because it doesn't know how to build itself. The 5 best Red-Eyes cards are 3 generic Dragon Pile extenders, a Dark Magician boss monster and a Zombie Synchro boss monster.

[@fluffyninja3467]

A "dark magician" boss monster. I actually argue it's got more synergy with red eyes than dark magician decks

[@Grimsly3736]

@@fluffyninja3467 effect wise yeah but ya gotta run Dark Magician which kinda sucks as a brick and not worth summoning in Red-Eyes

[@tatsuostatic8567]

I combined some Dark Magician cards with Red-Eyes and so far, it's pretty good

[@diamonshade7484]

​@@Grimsly3736we should have gotten a red eyes dark magician that counts as regular dark magician foe the main deck

[@Wuunderboy]

Not anymore kzbin.infoVGYsFcaFwz4?si=VWWdSakhFzdLuGV9

[@enlongjones2394]

So, in addition to the card effects and strategy of Red-Eyes, I would also like to see cards that create a better foundation for the *story* of Red-Eyes. There is a *lot* of weird and disjointed art in the Red-Eyes lineup; random Joey cards that are Red-Eyesified, and things that don't seem like they fit, but I think those ideas can be tied together. Here's my pitch for a lore concept: The Red-Eyes is not a singular dragon or a species, the way that the Blue-Eyes is. The Red-Eyes is a malicious, eternal dragon *spirit* that's capable of taking the bodies of others to resurrect itself. Other dragons (either already born or in the egg), warriors who think themselves dragon-slayers, the dragon's own corpse, and even truly inanimate things like *weapons and armor* can become the host of the Red-Eyes Soul. The Blue-Eyes White Dragon has an entire church of worshippers who pray for the revival, blessing, and protection of the sacred dragon. The Red-Eyes Black Dragon stands alone, plundering the graves and bodies of its enemies to ensure its own immortality. This is where cards like Fang With Chain, Red-Eyes Gearfried, REd-Eyes Baby Dragon, and Black Metal Dragon come from. All of them hosts of the Red-Eyes itself. And to go with this concept, perhaps a bit of grave-robber flavor could be implemented alongside some of Red-Eyes's better cards. I'm thinking perhaps a repeatable variation on Monster Reborn (or Call of the Haunted?) that can summon a monster out of either graveyard, changes its name to Red-Eyes Black Dragon, and allows you to treat it as level 7 when making dark Xyz. Perhaps we could have The Red-Eyes as a card that can snatch-steal something and turn it into a Red-Eyes Black Dragon.

[@DisappearBlade]

Yeah, I came to that conclusion about possible Red-Eyes lore as well. Red-eyes insight is the Dragon peering into the next thing to possess. And these monsters getting red eyes is the spirit inhabiting these Joey monsters, especially Gearfried since you can see the Black Dragon behind him.

[@Grimsly3736]

And now he needs to posses flame swordsman so he can get into a relevant deck, which is the most crazy technically true thing now

[@enlongjones2394]

@@Grimsly3736 already got blue flame swordsman. Why not black flame swordsman

[@Grimsly3736]

@@enlongjones2394 exactly now you’re thinking with Portals, get Gilford up in there my idea is either it be like “Gilford the Comet/Meteor” to tie it to that meteor dragon card or “Gilford the Red-Eyes Lightning”

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

Giving them a Graverobber retrain that takes elements from some superheavy samurai cards (that lets you set a card from their GY, and after you use it, it gets banished) could fit joey's playstyle. Maybe make it so the graverobber looks like the copycat.

[@LunaThunder]

I really like the idea of a "will" theme since it flows so well with whom Joey is as a character and why people like him, but I think another aspect that could make this better is to have them keep the Gemini theme as well since that way you get to see even more of Joey's journey by sommoning monsters that are bad at first but become crazy later. A way to implement both of these would be support cards that if you summon them you can foolish a normal and then if the normal was a Gemini (make the Geminis normals in the deck too because why the hell are they not) you get to search a spell or trap that mentions red eyes, you could have a trap card that is basically return of the red eyes but that immediately Gemini summons the vanilla if it is a Gemini and then if you did you could pop a card on the field, make it so the new Geminis have some sort of protection and recursion to them so that red eyes doesn't stay dead for long and I think a boss fusion monster would be really cool if it had the effect that the first time it leaves the field it summons itself back and then the second time it summons back a vanilla red eyes from the GY. Complement this with some other traps and fusions and there you have a good grind game deck that doesn't stay dead for anything

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

Based on you proposal, i have some ideas: 1) Red-Eyes Field Spell (What the artwork could be?... WIP): "Following effects are HOTP. When you activate this card, send 1 "Red-Eyes" card from your Deck to the GY, and if you do set 1 spell/trap card on the field that is a "Red-Eyes" card, or mentions "Red-Eyes Black Dragon", from your Deck or GY to your field. It can be activated this turn" (This is so you can make use of the red-eyes backrow faster, like fang with chain or return of the red-eyes or spirit. Or even more "anime" stuff like inferno fire blast, or the ritual spell for lord of red. ) I am genuinely considering giving it a toss a coin effect as a reference to joey's over-reliance of luck, But i don't know hot to implement it. Maybe make it so the "toss a coin" effect (triggered by the summon of a "Red-Eyes" Normal Monster), lets you destroy a card on the field if it lands on heads and if it lands on tails, you can target a red-eyes card on the field, inflict damage equal to its ATK. If i keep the burn effect, i would make it so it is HOPT.

[@diamonshade7484]

We need Gemini monsters that are not treated like Gemini like dragon spirit of white

[@diamonshade7484]

Also Gemini summons should not be a thing like why does it uses up your normal summon and why should I be punished by trap hole when my monster is already on the field.

[@edgarbenitez3470]

And now, as if Konami watched this vid, we are getting Red eyes metalphorph cards

[@Wuunderboy]

Have it here kzbin.infoVGYsFcaFwz4?si=VWWdSakhFzdLuGV9

[@TiresAreForCars]

Pretty insane to say when flame swordsman red-eyes good stuff came in second at duelist kingdom

[@nicholasfarrell5981]

Not even _good_ stuff, just whatever random crap he could piece together.

[@Grimsly3736]

@@nicholasfarrell5981plus his first deck ever was all monsters lol, pretty sure his duelist kingdom deck is mostly monsters still

[@Y0G0FU]

@@Grimsly3736 he had like 3-4 Spell and Trap Cards in that deck :P

[@Grimsly3736]

@@Y0G0FU really? Isn’t that why Yugi gave him Time Wizard? Lul

[@mikehawk8984]

GODDAMN IT JOSEPH. You wore a flesh colored shirt in the transition to the plush plug and thought you ripped your shirt off and I *SHOT MY COFFEE OUT OF MY NOSE ONTO MY PHONE*

[@scorpioncox8978]

Looks like it's finally my time to shine. As a red eyes player for a good while now, there are three aspects the archetype is best known for: Burn, recursion and graveyard control. The best angle we could go for is getting new spells and monsters to search said spells, each of them having some kind of recursion while getting new boss monsters that focus on burn and graveyard control. I found a video a couple weeks ago with an idea of a spell card that basically acts like transaction roleback but for red eyes spells/traps specifically so if we don't get a Red eyes fusion 2, which would be very usual, that could be a good option 2 with lots of potential. Maybe even lord of red retrain as a fusion where if an effect is activated in the graveyard, you can choose to either negate or banish it and do a little burn damage. Hell you could do a red eyes retrain of dragon claws that joey used a lot in the anime and give similar protection and recursion effects as good direction for the early equip ideas given the current fusions outside of dragoon don't really have any protection. There's more ideas I could give but I'm sure I gave enough to spark some discussion so have at it.

[@FruityGroovy]

So, with some of the cards from the new Metalmorph support, plus the new Primoredial archetype, we got some more consistent strategies to make Red-Eyes probably the most playable it's been it years. It's not going to be one of the top decks, but it's in a state where it can be casual fun.

[@qwertystop]

I'd say two key points: perseverence and toolboxing. Any individual piece makes a strong-but-not-enormous impact, but if it's defeated or unhelpful, it floats into or tags out for something that fits better. Scaling on how pressured you are (bosses in GY/banished? times you floated/tagged this turn?) Give them a continuous that gives all names a float when removed by opponent's card, once per turn *per name*.

[@That-One-Will]

They predicted the metalmorph support... Of all things thry could have predicted.

[@Wuunderboy]

Mines better kzbin.infoVGYsFcaFwz4?si=VWWdSakhFzdLuGV9

[@JetZV]

It didn't get mentioned in this video, but myself and another guy in the thread both suggested an Eyes of Red archetype that level modulates to match the Red-Eyes monsters they summon to get the XYZ monster(s) out faster. You could even give them a Rank-Up Magic that pushes XYZ monsters with Red-Eyes materials into Rank 7s. Plus, Maiden with Eyes of Red resembling Serenity would make the DM Diehards lose their minds.

[@BmanTheChamp]

Yeah but Maiden with Eyes of Blue was made off a canon character that had the spirit of the Blue Eyes White Dragon, Serenity doesn't have that.

[@JetZV]

@BmanTheChamp True, Kisara was the inspiration for the original Maiden. My logic for Serenity is the REBD doesn't really have a Kisara equivalent, so having her be Maiden doesn't change much.

[@Grimsly3736]

I Like the idea but feel like a name change would need to go down, don’t wanna copy it word for word

[@johnnyjohnson4265]

I honestly think it would be funny if they leaned into the random gambling BS Joey did in DM, but the bad rolls were still passable enough to use. So for example •Boss that has a coin flip to either destroy 1 monster your opponent controls if heads or if tails take control of it •Red-Eyes continuous spell that rolls a dice and allows you to excavate then add 1 "Red-eyes" card among them

[@ianr.navahuber2195]

Maybe something based on sixth sense. but instead of drawing, a "excavate cards" equal to the roll of the dice, and from the excavated cards add 1? or maybe a "special summon red-eyes monsters UP to the result of the dice"

[@kidkamando]

Okay but the tails effect is stronger than the heads effect because of generic protection lol. Other ideas would be: Heads - Search your deck for a "Red-Eyes" monster and Special Summon it to the field. Tails - Special Summon one "Red-Eyes" monster from your GY with its effects negated.

[@lizard56]

So a thing that is shown through out the series is that Red-Eyes is that Red-Eyes lacks power itself compared to BEWD, however it is capable of pulling out others powers in a fusion. Which is what Dragoon was, in a way. The will theme is already around in some measure, Red-Eyes loves come back/recovery cards, to keep standing. Lastly an iconic thing for Joey in Battle City was him making a deck from cards of those he beat. Someone in the video suggested it but you can make Fossil Fusion-esque Graverobber fusion, and then make fusion monsters based on the cards joey wins from others (or just boss monsters of other character). Red-Eyes Fisher Dragon, Red Eyes Insect-Dragon, Red Eyes Psycho-Dragon (Jinzo). However instead of needing the specific monster they either need the type or may even just the attribute. Together with the Zombie stuff you can make a deck that refuses to stay dead and will merge with what its defeated.

[@DisappearBlade]

Graverobber is Joey's most powerful and useful card, and he used it to turn the opponents cards against them and win many of his pivotal duels, so the only hint for its continued presence being Retro Dragon is a crime. A Joey decks or Red-Eyes decks that combine all the themes of potential, fusion, endurance, equips, and powerful burn through a graverobber like card would be amazing.

[@Anemoi_1]

Joey's "arc" in the beginning of yugioh was learning to use spells and traps to power up his monsters. (His first deck was literally all monsters) So I think cards that powers up red-eyes by giving it a ton of effects would be cool, spells and traps that give it protection, piercing, atk boosts, floats, etc. This would feel on brand with the "potential" and "underdog" themes Joey has.

[@Wuunderboy]

Exactly why my supports would work kzbin.infoVGYsFcaFwz4?si=VWWdSakhFzdLuGV9

[@AkumaZombie125]

3:49 wasn't expecting to see my art in an MBT video ngl.

[@asnwolf4507]

nice

[@geminimaxxim]

The perseverance idea kinda got cooking after a while, and I like the idea of more Red-Eyes retrains of Joey cards. But I still stand by my Red-Eyes gamble idea. Heads you get a good effect, Tails you burn them - or some such gimmick

[@MoskalMedia]

I'd love to see Graceful Red-Eyes Dice and Red-Eyes Skull Dice. Two of my favorite classic cards used by Joey.

[@junkim5853]

I like that too Jonouchi unique dueling style always relied on luck and gambling. If there is a red eyes baby dragon why not have red eyes time wizard? Edit And then when you fuse Red Eyes Baby Dragon and Red Eyes Time Wizard unlike the Thousand Dragon actually gives a special effect to the Red Eyes Thousand Dragon where each turn during the opponent's turn the player can use its effect or not and gamble by flipping a coin, if the player gambles right the opponent's turn is immediately skipped, if the player gambles wrong the player's turn will be skipped once the opponent finishes their turn. It's like the ultimate gamble card lol that hits true to Jonouchi's dueling style and spirit and echoes the spirit of the common man and under dog relying in luck a lot of times with hard work to achieve success in life.

[@RedTheWeeb]

As a Red-Eyes player I have to say: why the fuck are people saying "they're cooking" over the idea of adding more reborns... HALF THE SUPPORT FUCKING REBORNS. Darkness metal, spirit, return, flare metal, meteor comet, gearfried, retro, stone(kinda). Not to mention the zombies also all reborn (but they should not count in a conversation about supporting red-eyes because they are zombie world support yall treating it like its red-eyes support is like saying zombie felgrand is dragon support or red dragon archfiend is summoned skull support.) In my eyes the fix to red-eyes is ultimately more flooding the field and protection. Give us a card like branded regained that gives us red-eyes monsters from the GY and if they're gemini monsters they gain their effects. Give us a endboard boss that protects red-eyes monsters special summoned from the extra deck and graveyard from Targeting and Banishing. Suddenly we can have meteor impact summoned from GY treated as gemini that protects all red-eyes form battle and card destruction, protection from targeting and banishment, a ton of recursion then we have REF as a explosive game ender if need be (or hell give us a continous or field spell that remove the summon lock entirely hell pair it with the red-eyes regained effect in 1 single card)

[@austinhammond3545]

I had the idea of a continous spell changing the summon restriction of Red-Eyes Fusion in locking you into Dark Dragon monsters as long as Red-Eyes Black Dragon is on the field or in the gy. It'll give Red-Eyes Soul a better purpose sense that name change effect it has is useless

[@RedTheWeeb]

@@austinhammond3545 the issue with that is it still locks out some of our cards like gearfried, wyvern, and dragoon. You could do dark dragons and red-eyes monsters as the lock or make it simply like other fusion from decks where it locks after use so it's the final card used

[@Wuunderboy]

Or just use my support cards kzbin.infoVGYsFcaFwz4?si=VWWdSakhFzdLuGV9

[@dely9999]

They Need to focus Red-Eyes on Equip Spells they have a lot of cards already that works with that mechanic: Black Metal Dragon, Red-Eyes Baby Dragon, Gearfried the Red-Eyes Metal Knight, Red-Eyes Black Dragon Sword, Red-Eyes Slash Dragon and Red-Eyes with Chain and make it work with the other Joey/Jonouchi Archtype - "Flame Swordsman". Besides Yugioh has 25 years and we haven't a Flame Swordsman and Red-Eyes Black Dragon Fusion even if they are Joey's Boss and Ace Monster... something like "Red-Eyes Black Flame Swordsman" and a Retrain of "Gearfried the Swordmaster" like "Gearfried the Red-Eyes Swordmaster" being fusion monster of a "Red-Eyes" warrior monster and a "Red-Eyes" Dragon Monster that is meant to be summoned with a retrain of the Old card that turned gearfried into the Swordmaster something like this: "Red-Eyes Armor Release" Normal Spell- Tribute 1 face-up monster that you control equipped with a "Red-Eyes" card; Special Summon From your Extra Deck 1 "Red-Eyes" Fusion Monster of the Same Type that the tributed monster (this is treated as a Fusion Summon). During the Main Phase: Banish this card from your graveyard and target 1 "Red-Eyes" monster that you control equipped with one or more cards; During the rest of the turn if that monster would be destroyed by battle or a card effect, destroy one of the cards equipped to it instead. You can only use each effect of "Red-Eyes Armor Release" once per turn.

[@DisappearBlade]

That sounds really good. If the card was a quick play so it worked better with the Fang with Chain and you could do during the battle phase it would be even better. I was thinking of a suite of cards that equip from deck a variety of trap cards that have an effect to equip. That would would make Red-Eyes a trap equip resource deck.

[@idosarts_and_krafts]

3:25 this person saw the future

[@TylerW44]

The way you introduce these videos actually gives me so much life. I cant even properly explain why I like the presentation mannerisms so much.

[@stoic_hero_tcg]

Make Red-Eyes the next tri-type of Dragon, Zombie, Warrior (we will just forgot about Fiend as that was technically a crossover with Yugi). I like the idea of retraining the rest of his monsters as Red-Eyes too. I use to always equip Little-Winguard with Dragonic Attack as a kid and even drew a Dragon version of it, so something like "Red-Eyes Little-Draguard" would be perfect.

[@Grimsly3736]

Idk about Zombie tbh, I’d go with Machine since the first Red-Eyes Metal Dragon is a machine and you got Jinzo

[@stoic_hero_tcg]

@@Grimsly3736 Joey did run a lot of Machine type monsters, but besides Red-Eyes Metal Dragon, Red-Eyes as an archetype has not done anything else with the Machine typing outside Metal Dragon. Even Darkness Metal Dragon is Dragon type. If Joey were to get an archetype of retrains of his cards centered around a tri-type theme, then yes, I would agree that Dragon, Warrior, and Machine would be the most fitting. But to congeale Red-Eyes into a viable strategy based around a tri-type, then it would have to be Dragon, Warrior, Zombie, as Red-Eyes has had much more Zombie support than Machine.

[@Grimsly3736]

@@stoic_hero_tcg yeah true? I just personally think that red-eyes Zombie cards were never really meant for Red-Eyes pure, it was always suppose to be just random monsters im Zombie World

[@lancerotalucardhd8793]

Draguard already exists,so if they do a retrain of Little Winguard,probably will maintain the same name

[@masterofchaos7282]

Me personally, I’d kind of like some cards based on the cards used by Alexis and Serenity since their brothers played Red-eyes (I remember being bothered when brothers of legend had no red-eyes since 2 of the brother characters used red-eyes which would have been perfect). Alexis’ could focus on the ritual style of the deck by giving it equivalents to the Cyber Angels while Serenity’s could maybe pair with the fusion aspect since some of the retrains of St John was a fusion monster (you could also maybe tie it into the burn effects by having a monster that gains you life equal to what you burn your opponent for). As for something that makes it actually somewhat meta viable, why don’t we embrace the fusion aspect of red eyes and make a bunch of Red-eyes fusions that use specific types like what slash dragon does. Even just using the cards Joey used, you’d have a Beast Warrior, Spellcaster, Insect, Fish and Machine at the very least. At the very least, it would make it a decent super poly deck.

[@Grimsly3736]

If you wanna make it meta I say embrace the warrior route they did add some fire monsters as well then have it synergise with the new Flame Swordsman cards cause Joey

[@jeralhowe2780]

I like that Blue-eyes has their Spirit Dragon Synchros and 1 main deck Spirit, while Red-eyes has their Zombie Synchros and one main deck Zombie. Feels oddly thematic.

[@Fausty-v970]

Bro that meme intro has to be the best one so far. They fit too well, and including Leah is very cool and sweet! ❤

[@gumbspleengle5270]

NO 💯💯🙏🙏

[@jugemujugemu4690]

THATS THE TEA 💅💅💅

[@JsPlace]

Oh man! I woulda loved to take part in this thread! I'll say this: a red eyes deck dedicated to using effects like red eyes fang with chain as a strong form of non destruction removal could potentially be really good. A potential link with an effect that gives you access to an effect like that (Ideally with a red eyes monster restriction to avoid this just getting tossed into the dragon slop deck that dragon link has become) A searchable dragon lords that also protects red eyes monsters to help ensure you actually get access to your relatively restricted but powerful removal would be a great piece of that puzzle. No clue how else I'd make this kinda thing work but you get the general idea

[@clouduchiha1310]

The big thing I would like to change is the red-eyes fusion restriction of not able to summon the same turn it was activated. Instead of that maybe it can be something like "for the rest of this turn after activation you can only special summon red-eyes monsters"

[@DisappearBlade]

Here is my example: Red Eyes Potential Unleashed: Continuous Spell: Once while this card is face-up on the field you can reveal one Level 7 Red-Eyes monster in your hand OR while you control one; add one “Red-Eyes” card and a DARK Dragon from your deck to your hand. If you activate “Red-Eyes Fusion” its effect “You cannot normal or special summon other monsters the turn you activate this card” becomes “You can only activate the effects of “Red-Eyes” monsters, ‘of the Red’ monsters, or monsters that list “Red-Eyes” in there text for the rest of this turn after this card resolves.” You can Special summon one level one Dark Dragon from your hand. You can only use each effect of this card once per turn. It probably needs to be for the whole turn, not the rest of the turn, but I based it my cards restrictions. If Konami made this card with nothing else I would defiantly want it for the whole turn.

[@Grimsly3736]

@@DisappearBlade has Konami ever made a card with an effect to specifically cancel the negative of another specific cards effect?

[@DisappearBlade]

@@Grimsly3736 yeah. I based this effect on Malefic Territory. This kinda thing might only work with continuous effect and not turn restrictions, but it's a start.

[@Grimsly3736]

@@DisappearBlade oh lol well that card gives the idea merit tbh, plus if Konami would go that drastic for that card they could for Red-Eyes

[@tyranitararmaldo]

6:55 It was a prize card in the show.

[@KingRoni1222]

Personally, I think they could've gone with fleshing out more of Atticus's cards, with that said though I think they really shoulda gave REBD more stuff to do with Rank 7 spam. Edit since i have had more time to produce ideas and stuff; It would be actually sick to have a Red-Eyes strategy all about the idea of 'perseverance' and the ability to keep going for an unholy amount of time. One thing that can be done to promote this is a new Red-Eyes Darkness Dragon retrain about specifically having Red-Eyes monsters in the GY and being able to reborn itself by sending R-Es to the bottom of the deck to create an inevitable resource loop. We can get a continuous spell with a revised Red-Eyes mask on it called something like "Darkness Eternal : Red-Eyes" or something along those lines that does something whenever a Red-Eyes monster gets sent to the GY from the field, maybe get another baby dragon in the form of "Red-Eyes Dark Whelp" or just "Red-Eyes Whelp", you know, just stuff to enforce the idea of "The Eternal Spirit".

[@GodOfFame373]

Please give red eyes a continues spell card that does literally anything (preferably some type of negate) and also has the line of text: all "red-eyes" gemini monsters on the field are considered effect monsters with their effect. It would unironically give the deck some decent options (playing into the whole potential thing) including, a once per turn raigeki, destruction immunity, and more burn damage. also a way to fuse without having to shoot themselves in the knee and cut off both thumbs would also help, probably, at least it would feel better to play

[@ovelhadogelo]

The problem with Red-Eyes is not only the support being all over the place, but also most of their cards being OCG Restricted because it has Takahashi art - just like Alternative Black Dragon. In the end, you play Red-Eyes just like you play Blue-Eyes: With Bystials or Dragon Link. Or you play it with the Dragon Rulers and turbo out Flare Metal.

[@jacksbrow182]

Never heard of a card being OCG restricted because of having Kazuki's art, where did you get that?(Honest question)

[@adriano_cruciani]

@@jacksbrow182take a look at magi magi magician gal, it didn’t come to the TCG because it had to be censored to do so but it was against Takahashi’s will, so we never got her. Another example is Blue-eyes alternative ultimate dragon being absent from Master Duel (if I remember correctly)

[@jugemujugemu4690]

Alternative Black, Alternative Ultimate, Chaos Max Magician, etc. have all been brought to the TCG It’s only most recent games like md shit that the Kazuki art has been brought over, because Legacy of the Duelists had those cards as well

[@jacksbrow182]

@@adriano_cruciani I only heard of Magi Magi Magician Gal being the case, the other cards never had this problem, proof is on the fact that a lot of other cards have been brought to the TCG

[@StigmaKRL]

iirc Holactie was also not imported to the tcg for this reason

[@SleepyPT]

Curse of Red-Eyes *think of this as the Shadow silhouette of Lord of the Red* Lv.1 Warrior Effect Monster [This card is also treated as Dragon while in the GY] You can send this card from hand or field to the GY to activate the following effect once per turn: *Special Summon 1 Level 1 Dark Dragon Monster from your Deck or GY to your field. *Add 1 Dragon Ritual Monster or "The Claw of Hermos" from your deck or GY to your hand. If you control a monster that is a Dark Dragon Normal, or that was Ritual, Fusion, or XYZ Summoned using a "Red-Eyes" Monster(s) as material while this card is in your GY: You can equip this card to that monster, but banish it when it leaves the field.

[@thegreenthunder5639]

If I can be in charge of making new Red-Eyes support I would make cards that just have synergy with the xyz equips, and fusion monsters. Fusion monsters will have enhanced recursion effects such as summoning a Red-Eyes monster from deck, or with equip effects such as equipping a Red-Eyes monster from deck and having disruption by sending a card that is equipped from a monster to grave. Red-Eyes xyz monsters on the other hand could focus on recursion from the graveyard and disruption by detaching a material. And finally main deck Red-Eyes monsters should have three types of effects 1. Grab a Red-Eyes card (monster, spell, trap) from deck to hand, 2. If this card leaves the field, special summon 1 Red-Eyes monster from the graveyard and if you special summoned Red-Eyes Black Dragon off of this effect double it's original attack. And 3. You can discard/send from deck to graveyard 1 Red-Eyes normal/effect monster to special summon/activate its effect. I love the Red-Eyes archetype, it will always be my favorite deck no matter how bad it gets, I simply wish it got better and not sidelined unlike the other two iconic juggernauts such as Blue-Eyes and the Dark Magician. And thank you to whoever took the time out of their day/night to read this :)

[@xatuyou8045]

The person who suggested Metalmorph got their wish.

[@SolemnX]

Since blue eyes got the whole eyes of blue church theme going on. They could give red eyes a bunch of cultists, all spell casters have said cards revolve around searching and retrieving the claw of hermos and that will give the deckc access to a bunch of cards that Joey used

[@sun332s7]

Red-eyes imo should have leaned into the Flare metal style cards. Red-Eyes fusion having its insane restrictions just never made the fusion idea good to me.

[@Grimsly3736]

It’s because without the restrictions it’s essentially branded and they were to afraid to release branded back then lol, I got the opinion that Red-Eyes shoulda definitely went the Xyz route but had occasional good fusions come out and Blue-Eyes should fully be a fusion synchro deck doin both

[@Knightmare-Requiem]

As someone who made custom Red-Eyes support before, I did the following. - gave them a field spell to search and also to give Gemini monsters their effects when on the field - an extender based on flame swordsman to give them another search and another search. - a level 7 dragon discard to search for a "darkness dragon" card, and also to revive itself when another level 7 red-eyes is special summoned. - A Red-Eyes Darkness Dragon retrain (REDD - Infernal Dark Fire) to basically monster Reborn a normal Red-Eyes and also an anime "Dragon Heart" esque effect to help boost the Darkness Dragon if it gets made a boss. - A link 1 Dark Dragon that requires a level 1 dark dragon monster. It searches the field spell when summoned (Scarecrow ReichHeart) and when banished from the field it can search a level 4 monster that is or mentions Red-Eyes from the deck. (Retro, Wyvern, Gearfried, or the new Black Flame Swordsman *nudge nudge*) - Pretty much reworked rush duel support from Black Dragon's Bellow to the Red-Eyes level 4 i need to do more with, and the Meteor fusion spell. Haven't done anything with the Meteor dragons itself yet, kinda want to.

[@Knightmare-Requiem]

Oh, I also gave them their Ultimate Dragon with a burn effect for a monster special summoned from the extra deck, a Flare Metal rank up monster (galaxy-eyes rip off) a Gilford the legend retrain as a fusion boss monster...

[@Knightmare-Requiem]

BTW, it won't let me edit, I put search twice on the flame swordsman retrain, I meant a search and a special summon.

[@DisappearBlade]

@@Knightmare-Requiem A link one for dark Dragons? Dangerous territory my friend. I tried to stay away from dragon link support with my Red-Eyes cards, but that's just me. I've been waiting a Red-Eyes Flame Swordsman forever. When will Konami give use want we want?

[@Knightmare-Requiem]

@@DisappearBlade reread. It was a link one for a level one dark dragon, that ONLY worked with red-eyes basically.

[@DisappearBlade]

@@Knightmare-Requiem my bad. Definitely missed the lvl 1 dark dragon dragon part. A red eyes that revives itself when another red eyes is summoned is pretty cool. I made something similar. I like that anime darkness metal idea as well. The cards shouldn't just be Joey card retrains, since red eyes appeared in other seasons.

[@joseruizdiaz9622]

From what I could gather, Red-Eyes' thing could be about having low power, but high recursion, versatility, utility, and being able to fit into various different strategies as an engine, while also accomodating other archetypes into its own strategy. Unlimited potential, and perseverance. Like Snake-Eyes. That Poplar card was actually pretty spot on, it just needed to change the Spell/Trap placement thing with anything ranging from actual revival, to returning a card from GY to hand.

[@NightWing1800]

Here's how you make a red eyes archtype great: You don't make it the focus. Joey was not a dragon duelist. He was a warrior duelist and had a couple weird monsters as trophies like insect queen and red eyes. Make a red eyes archtype that centers around being discarded from the hand for one effect, then can equip to warrior monsters to give other on field effects like more effects or doing something when that monster battles or providing protection and be banished when they leave the field. Generic good stuff for one type of monster that makes it a flexible package for many decks. Then make the boss monsters contact fuse with 1 warrior equipped with one (or more) red eyes monsters equipped to it. For more powerful boss monsters either use more equips or require the warrior to be an extra deck type like fusion. Let the generic 1 warrior + 1 equip be monsters that won't ever see a full archtype like Swordsman of Lanstar and then let the bigger bosses be Flame Swordsman or Gearfried. The Spell/Traps do something and then can be banished from grave to add a banished red eyes back to the hand of graveyard depending on how powerful the first effect of the spell/trap is and how much you want to let it double dip on the red eyes. The best part is this archtype is an anime fan cash cow, because they will never be powercrept. It's flexible to work with warriors broadly and effects like "Search 1 warrior" is good enough to always be wanted, but it lives or dies by the warrior archtypes you can slot it into. Flame Swordsman + Red Eyes too old? Print Sychnro Gearfried archtype + Red Eyes Boss monster to go with it + a new piece or two of support for the red eyes to replace the worst cards in it. Print an XYZs strategy based around his less iconic smaller vanilla monsters like Battle Warrior that are about swarming the board and recurring themselves over and over. Tease the fans with Rokket support and then release Rocket Warrior Links. Joey can just keep on winning if you make his ace monster a support card for all of his other monsters rather than the other way around.

[@jaernihiltheus7817]

Problem is that Red-Eyes isn't just Joey's ace but Atticus's as well. Joey used mostly warriors with Red-Eyes as one of his aces, alongside Jinzo. So that support makes sense for him. Atticus Rhodes from GX used a Dragon deck that focused on milling and burning with generic Dragon support, with the Red-Eyes Darkness series as his aces. The burn stuff & "Darkness Metal" stuff are all Atticus support, which is why they are generic Dragon extenders alongside cards burn & mill. Joey's Red-Eyes stuff is the Equip-based stuff as a reference to Kunai With Chain, along with retrains of other cards like Gearfried and Baby Dragon. It's essentially 2 different decks that are under the same archetype. Like the difference between Duke Devlin's (mostly FLIP) Ninjas, TCG-original type-based Ninjas, the Armor Ninjas from Zexal, Sunshadow and Moonshadow's Twilight Ninjas from Arc V, and the new not-FLIP Fusion Ninjas. You're really *SUPPOSED* to be treating Atticus & Joey's stuff as two separate decks that can be splashed together to make a stronger hybrid... But they don't have enough consistency or extension, Red-Eyes Fusion's restrictions suck, and Konami doesn't really make it clear which is supposed to go where, unless it's explicitly a Joey reference, so it makes the archetype feel more jumbled & confused than it actually is. Let me try with 1 card to make the Atticus Rhodes portion better. I'm gonna use the OCG numbering system for effects because it reads better. Nightshroud of Red-Eyes, Level 1 Dark/Fiend/Effect, 0 ATK/0 DEF Effect: "You can only activate the 1 and 2 effects of "Nightshroud of Red-Eyes" once per turn. 1: You can reveal this card from your hand (Quick Effect); Special Summon 1 "Red-Eyes" Normal Monster or Gemini Monster from your hand, deck, or GY, and if you do, equip this card to it as an Equip Spell, also all Effect Damage your opponent takes this turn is halved. You cannot equip "Nightshroud of Red-Eyes" to a Monster the turn this effect is activated, except from the hand. 2: You can banish this card from your GY and discard 1 "Red-Eyes" Normal Spell; This effect becomes that card's effect. 3: A "Red-Eyes" Monster equipped with this card gains the following effect: ●Unaffected by your opponent's activated card effects. Once, while this card is on the field, if this card would be sent to the GY by card effect, or as a Tribute for the Tribute or Special Summon of a Level 7 or higher Monster: Add 1 "Red-Eyes Darkness" Monster from your deck or GY to your hand instead, then you take damage equal to that Monster's ATK." And done. This is a card from the anime turned into a playable card, it works with the equip stuff, makes the Gemini stuff usable as your normal summon if need be. Is a starter. A way to cheat the restrictions of Red-Eyes Fusion. And a searcher for Atticus' aces that also works with mill, the Ritual Monster, and even a stray Polymerization if need be. It IS a bit wordy and effect 2 could easily be made into its own card. In fact I'm pretty sure the only Red-Eyes card this doesn't have any synergy with is the Xyz.

[@josephcourtright8071]

I always felt that Red-Eyes and Blue-Eyes should be opposite. Blue-Eyes does things on entry. Its instant power. Red-Eyes does stuff on exit and always returns stronger than before.

[@MrBthomp]

I would add a field spell. Whenever you burn your opponent while you control a red eyes monster, you can send one red eyes or a card that mentions red eyes from your deck to your graveyard. During either player's turn, you could banish it from your graveyard or field and special summit a Red eyes, monster or a monster that mentions red eyes from your graveyard. Make that effect only happen once a turn.

[@thepinms]

Haven't you ever seen a Team Sam vid Red Eyes is the #1 unbeatable deck.

[@streeker007]

Lastly, is my revision for Black Dragon's Chick (formally known as Red-Eyes B. Chick) for the lols: You can discard this card, then target 1 "Red-Eyes" spell/trap or 1 Level 4 or lower Dragon-Type "Red-Eyes" monster from your deck; add it to your hand. This card can be treated as 2 Tributes for the Tribute Summon of a Dragon-Type "Red-Eyes" monster. You can send this face-up card to the GY; Special Summon 1 "Red-Eyes B. Dragon" from your hand. If this card is in your GY: You can banish this card, then target 1 "Red-Eyes B. Dragon" in your GY. Add that target to your hand. You can only use this effect of "Black Dragon's Chick" once per turn.

[@shinzanryu1916]

haven't seen any mentions of pendulums... they could: - have two different sets of effects depending on being used as monsters or spells - resummon themselves through pendulum summoning - synergize with effects involving monsters on the spell/trap zones and that's all i can say.

[@RunicSigils]

That would actually make a lot of sense with the zombie idea since you keep recurring pendulums. They can just raid things like Dinomist for ideas there. And just to add a little more Joey flavor you could even add some meme coin flips and dice rolls on them like one increasing and the other decreasing the attack and defense of stuff on the field once per turn. They could even be useful for the Gemini stuff with one being a continuous Gemini Spark so that they're just treated as being summoned with their abilities. There's definitely some all around potential there now that you mention it.

[@BloodfelX]

My idea would probably be to make the deck more reactive, particularly from the grave - akin to the effect of Red-Eyes Wyvern. During your turn you activate Red-Eyes Fusion or Red-Eyes Insight and send a Red-Eyes monster(s) from your deck to the grave to setup an effect that can be activated from the grave during your opponent's turn.

[@HutzilBomb]

Red-eyes desperately needs a retrain of its fusion spell, since a lot of its strategy is revolves around reviving from the grave its spell puts a hard stop to that. So it would need a new way to fusion summon, a retrain of "red-eyes fusion", or a card that negates the summoning limit on "red-eyes fusion".

[@ovelhadogelo]

3:27 - This has aged so well in current time.

[@JimmyTheMitch]

They could merge the Wyvern & Retro dragon into 1 card.. let the retro activate from any battle or effect removal (not just destruction by my opponent) & the Wyvern GY effect activatable during main phase, Maybe even as a quick effect. Also make a new link 1 to replace striker dragon & allow it to sp. summon DMD without banishing somehow lol maybe it locks u into red-eyes summons after that. Also retrain Red-Eyes fusion to be like branded fusion cuz that shit not fair. Maybe it just has to be the last EX-Deck summon of the turn lol. Lets get a tuner in there too black stone of ancients if u will,, along with a lvl7 synchro to help go into flare metal... and Lastly, make a field spell for the geminis similar to catalyst field but searchable via insight. As bonus, I guess they can take the “level 7 or lower” restriction off all the revival cards so we can play better with our DMD. These are my demands

[@JimmyTheMitch]

Retrain the baby dragon as the tuner 😭 summonable if a lvl 7 on the field. They got so many decks that do crazier shit.. just give us something 😂😂

[@DisappearBlade]

Now is my time! Here is the custom: Core of the Red-Eyes Dragon/Dark/lvl 7/Atk 2000/Def 2400 If this card is special summoned by the effect of a "Red-Eyes" card OR from the gy; you can special summon a "Red-Eyes" or normal monster from your gy in defense position, then apply 1 of the following effects: -Fusion summon a monster whose original name you do not control that list a “Red-Eyes” monster as material using monsters from your hand and/or field, -Immediately after this effect resolves Xyz summon one “Red-Eyes” monster whose original name you do not control using monsters from your field as material. This card is treated as a normal monster while in the gy. You can only use this effect of “Core of the Red-Eyes” once per turn. Yes, this card reads summon "Flare Metal" or even "Dragoon" on your opponent's turn when they go first. It would take something like this for Red-Eyes to be played in the meta. Decks that run normal monsters need stuff like this to make up for inconsistency. I've been working and labbing with Red-Eyes custom cards Since i got back into Yu-gi-Oh and here it the central one that if released tomorrow without the rest of the cards would still have people play Red-Eyes cards immediately.

[@johnlucas2838]

I also have a Red-Eyes deck and I went into two directions of the deck, its gemini and fusion plays. And surprisingly in a 60 card deck that runs 9 generic cards (2 Poly, 2 Super Poly, 2 Blast with Chain, 2 Lost Wind, and 1 Titanocider) I like where it went. I went full into its deck construction and constant testing. Having 2 The Black Stone of Legend, 2 Black Metal Dragon, and 2 Red-Eyes Soul to go into search plays of Red-Eyes cards, the first one is to recycle graveyard for certain card's discard requirements. Red-Eyes Insight is an obvious 3 of considering it can set up graveyard and get any Red-Eyes spell/trap you need, so Return of the Red-Eyes to summon normal monsters from grave, Spirit to summon any Red-Eyes, Fang with Chain to equip, and the fusion to fuse from hand, deck, and or field. The key cards to the gemini plays are Dimer Synthesis, Catalyst Field, Geminize Lord Golknight, Gemini Ablation, Sublimation Knight, and Evocator Eveque. Geminize Lord Golknight can search any of the three spell/traps if he summoned as an effect monster, the cards work together, Catalyst Field can summon him as such and so can Sublimation and Ablation. Dimer Synthesis can search Catalyst and even power boost amongst your monsters as long as you have a gemini effect monster as well as any other on your field. Gemini Ablation can cheat out any gemini monster from deck at the cost of a discard or cheat out a fire warrior at the cost of a gemini tribute and a discard; if you used a gemini effect monster as tribute you get a free pop. Catalyst Field can cheat out any high level gemini monster in hand and even turn them into effect monsters and you can also banish a gemini effect monster on your field to pop a card. Return of the Red-Eyes just allows you to cheat out any normal monster from grave, even the gemini monsters amongst them. While the key cards for the fusion plays are Polymerization, Super Polymerization, and Red-Eyes Fusion. There is also Red-Eyes Black Meteor Dragon to search Red-Eyes Fusion from grave or in deck. For Archfiend Black Skull Dragon, you only need a normal Archfiend card, I run Summoned Skull but the other options are Beast of Talwar and Archfiend Soldier, but there is also the chance of having a normal Red-Eyes Archfiend of Lightning on the field also. For Red-Eyes Slash Dragon, any warrior monster can do; Gearfried the Red-Eyes Iron Knight fills this slot as well as Geminize Lord Golknight, Sublimation Knight, and Evocator Eveque. I've tried to run Immortal Phoenix Gearfried and Phoenix Gearfried but there isn't enough equip cards in the deck for them, which is why I stayed with Evocator Eveque. And for Meteor Black Comet Dragon there is Meteor Dragon Red-Eyes Impact as well as Black Meteor Dragon. Super Poly is there because there is also Garura and Starving Venom. And if you're running poly, might as well run Guardian Chimera.

[@steamworkfox4564]

There was one idea that was good and in theme. Focusing on having Red Eyes return from the grave. It would suck if against grave keepers but, imagine. Red Eyes if destroyed on the field can return once per turn. If returned this way they can do X Effect. Can only activate the turn it was destroyed" For example. Red Eyes Attack Doubles when returned. Red Eyes returns a card to opponents hand. Red Eyes deals 300 Burn Damage for each Red Eyes returned to the field this turn. Red Eyes can draw a card if returned to the field. Red Eyes boosts the attack of another red eyes when returned. The only issue is how would you destroy them? Pair them with Unchained. Or give them Red Eyes cards that achieve this. Its a messy idea, but I can see this being amazing. The red eyes mean potential, how do you teach this potential if you don't fail and get back up to try again

[@justaninkling]

Red eyes time wizard- once per turn, flip a coin, if heads, destroy all monsters on your opponents field, if tails, destroy all monsters on your side of the field and take damage equal to half their attack. If this card is destroyed by card effect summon or add 1 card that mentions "red eyes" from your deck or graveyard (apart from red-eyes time wizard). You can banish this card from gy apart from the turn it is sent there to special summon 1 red eyes monster from hand or normal summon a monster on field and your opponent takes half its atk as damage. You can only activate this effect of "red eyes time wizard" once per turn.

[@calumbishop7082]

The irony is Red-Eyes has had some cards which have seen competitive play over the years, pre-errata Darkness Metal, the DM Fusion Dark Dragoon, the Xyz Flare Metal (that saw play in Kashtira, which wasn't that long ago). The problem is it has never really felt like a unified archetype, and in some respects its problems reflects the games problems itself. If those boss monsters were locked into Red-Eyes and not generic, Red-Eyes probably would of seen more play. But because they were generic, they did nothing for the deck, why play Flare Metal in Red-Eyes when you can play it in a good deck like Kashtira. Why play a Red-Eyes deck focused around Darkness Metal when you can play Darkness Metal in any other Dragon Deck. The best deck at the moment is a deck that has no in archetype Extra Deck monsters (Snake-Eyes), however because Konami has for years now followed a policy of making just about every other extra deck monster generic, in archetype boss monsters end up doing nothing for said archetype. (Same can be said for some main deck boss monsters like Darkness Metal). Konami could give Red-Eyes a powerful Link-2, but knowing Konami they'll make it completely generic and have it generically support Dragon's, meaning Red-Eyes ultimately sees little benefit of having the card as every other Dragon deck would run it.

[@N12015]

I'm sure post-errata Darkness Metal is still seeing play, or was before snake-eyes.

[@4yze]

Something simple like a rank 8 that can only be summoned over Flare and has an extra effect if it has Red-Eyes as material is an easy start. Something like Red-Eyes spell/traps cannot be negated or destroyed. Also, a field spell that 1.) protects this monster and 2.) Special Summons Red-Eyes monsters from deck and/or gy at a cost that limits it to a Red-Eyes deck. Something like sending a Red-Eyes card from hand AND deck to special summon Red-Eyes or a card that mentions it.

[@SerothTalon]

I've been playing Red-eyes since the game came out. I've run it in almost every incarnation it has had. There have always been a plethora of cards that enabled it in pretty wacky ways. You usually just had to look outside the archetype to do it sadly. Cards like Carboneddon, for example, allowed you the ability to pull Red-eyes directly from the deck to the field practically on demand. Where Red-eyes has always excelled has been its ability to appear from nowhere and refuse to stay dead. Constantly recurring itself and evolving in various forms. What Red-eyes wants to do, it already does exceptionally well. It just lacks some of the on-archetype support of modern archetypes. So my recommendation is to relax some of the weird restrictions tying the the monsters down. And move some of the off-archetype support on-archetype (or at least make equivalents). And provide a few new tools via erratas of current support. - Archfiend Black Skull Dragon- errata the weird restriction to its materials that requires the 6☆ to be a normal monster. - This would allow Red-eyes Archfiend to be used as a material from the deck, and not just on the field. Providing much more consistent access to one of its most oppressive boss monsters. - Carboneddon - move on-archetype or create an on-archetype equivalent. Make it a tuner and a zombie. - First of the Dragons - move on-archetype or create an on-archetype equivalent. - Red-eyes Darkness Dragon - errata to give it the effect of the REDMD from the anime. Allowing you to discard a card to negate a spell. Also, allow it to evolve off any 7☆ Red-eyes monster. - Create a Red-eyes Twin Dragon. - this just always bothered me that he never got one. - Red-eyes Flare Metal Dragon - this card is excellent. But it needs a rank up option for once it has expended its materials. - Zombie World - Make an on archetype equivalent. Maybe tack on the ability to bury a Red-eyes card from the deck.

[@nav3346]

Red-eyes needs some gambling cards for some low/high risk/High reward situations. - A Field spell that lets you draw 2 cards, but if you don't summon a red-eyes card that turn you have to discard your whole hand, and then something like if a Red-eyes card you control is destroyed you can send the top card of your deck to the Graveyard, add that card to your hand or pay 1000 and special summon it from the Graveyard and increase its Atk/Def by 1000 till the end of the turn. - An omni-negate fusion monster that has you roll 2 six-sided dice and either hold onto both dice for a turn and if it is 8 or higher and your opponent activates a card or effect this turn:negate it, or hold onto one of the dice and apply that dice roll with the next 2 dice you roll on your next turn, but decrease your monsters Atk/Def by the number on the saved dice x100. Make it easy to summon like to dark monsters including 1 Red-eyes B. Dragon. 3100 atk 2600 Def - Finally a Link 2 that can be Link Summoned using a Red-eyes Extra Deck monster as the whole material requirement. It is treated as Red-eyes B. Dragon while on the field. Red-eyes cards you control gain Atk/Def equal to their Level x100. And then add something else useful like a search when it destroys a monster or a pop when you summon a Red-eyes card to a zone it points to.

[@Robert-hb8fo]

Idea: red-eyes support that takes advantage of the fact that the archetype is a complete mess. Introduce a link monster called "Red-Eyes Imperial Cyber General". (honoring Tristan's cyber commander) This monster is designed to be played around, not battling directly, and makes the archetype as smooth as possible. Stats: ATK/ 750 dark, machine, effect. Effects: - Must be special-summoned by banishing one red-eyes card in your hand or field. - While you control another red-eyes card with a different original name, this card is unaffected by other card-effects, cannot be destroyed by battle, and cannot be tributed. - When this card is destroyed by battle, it is banished instead. - While this card is on the field, all red-eyes cards in your hand, field, and GY satisfy the summoning requirements and effect-activation requirements of your red-eyes monsters and ritual-spells. This card makes it so all your red-eyes cards become a soup where everything has synergy . For example, Red-Eyes Toon Dragon can use its direct attack effect because red-eyes cards now satisfy the toon requirement. You could use any red-eyes monsters/spells/traps to summon extra-deck monsters, like using as fusion-materials/tuners. The zombie-cards have synergy with the red-eyes deck now, and you can use them to revive red-eyes monsters as if they were zombies. I think this makes things interesting, because the red-eyes player is now all about gas and board-presence. You need to keep red-eyes cards on the field so your general stays protected, otherwise many of your cards stop working together. It allows players to go all in on red eyes cards and make bricking less dangerous.

[@artisticcannibalism1350]

Hear me out: A retrain of Lord of Red that is level seven and has the same effects as the og but in addition gains the effect of whatever red eyes moster you used to summon it. But if you use the vanilla, it then becomes a tower.

[@supervegito8340]

I really love that idea of using equips to cheat out extra deck cards and the ritual

[@diamonshade7484]

That would be sweet they could make a sub archetype for black metal dragon

[@0mn0m15]

How about a card that basically has all the things Red-Eyes is trying to be? Here's my idea: Red-Eyes Requiem Equip Spell Target one "Red-Eyes" monster in your GY; Special Summon that target, and if you do, equip it with this card. A "Red-Eyes" monster equipped with this card has its name treated as "Red-Eyes Black Dragon." Each time your equipped monster declares an attack, inflict damage to your opponent equal to the original ATK of the equipped monster. If this card is in your GY (Quick Effect); you can banish this card from your GY, and if you do, Fusion summon 1 Fusion monster that lists a "Red-Eyes" monster as material from your Extra Deck, by shuffling monters that are banished, in your GY, or field into your deck. You can only use each effect of "Red-Eyes Requiem" once per turn, and only once that turn.

[@yangchenlhamo7537]

Red Eyes Thief. Link 1. Arrow Up. 2400 attack, Dark, Warrior. One "Red Eyes" monster. This card can only be special summoned if over half of your graveyard is "Red eyes" cards (to prevent it being too generic.) Add any one red eyes card from your deck to your hand. If this card leaves the field, you can special summon one "Red eyes" monster from your deck or Graveyard. Once per turn, you can activate one of these effects: Send one "Red eyes" card from your deck to your grave, this card gains that cards effects. Activate or special summon one "Red eyes" card in your grave. Destroy this card, your "Red Eyes" cards are unaffected by spells and traps until your next turns end phase.

[@yangchenlhamo7537]

Basically, every red eyes card summons another red eyes from the GY when leaving the field is my idea.

[@AceTrainerLupi]

Atticus' fans cry in a corner Somewhere Yes, all 3 of them Also, you could just make it like a janky fusion deck with the emphasis on evolution, since Red-Eyes was all about potential (working kinda like Zeus), while still keeping a bit of burn for ye olde times sake. A few examples of what I mean: Red-Eyes Breakthrough (Quick Spell) Tribute 1 Dragon monster on your side of the field. Special Summon a "Red-Eyes" monster from your hand or GY and until the end of this turn, it cannot be destroyed by battle, also before damage calculation if the monster summoned by the effect of "Red-Eyes Breakthrough" attacks a monster, destroy that monster. Red-Eyes Undying Passion (Counter Trap) When your opponent targets your Red-Eyes monster with a card effect during Main Phase: Tribute 1 Red-Eyes monster on your side of the field and special summon a Red-Eyes monster from your Extra Deck with level/rank equal to tributed monster's level/rank ignoring its summoning conditions. Red-Eyes - Flame of Rebirth (Dragon/XYZ/Effect) Rank 7 ATK: 2400 / DEF: 2000 3 level 7 monsters - (This card is always treated as Red-Eyed Black Dragon while on the field or GY) - Once per turn, if a Red-Eyed monster battled this turn, you can also XYZ Summon "Red-Eyes - Flame of Rebirth" by using 1 Red-Eyes monster you control as a material. (Transfer any XYZ material this Red-Eyes card has to this card). - (Quick Effect): You can detach 1 material from this card, inflict 2400 damage to your opponent and if you do, XYZ Summon 'Red-Eyes" monster from your Extra Deck with a different name using this monster as a material (Transfer its XYZ materials to this card, if you can). You can use each effect of "Red-Eyes - Flame of Rebirth" once per turn. Red-Eyes - The Stygian Lightning (Dragon/XYZ/Effect) Rank 8 ATK: 2400 / DEF: 2000 3 level 8 monsters - (This card is always treated as Red-Eyed Black Dragon while on the field or GY) - While face-up on the field, when a monster effect is activated (Quick Effect): You can detach 1 material from this card; banish this monster and if you do, inflict damage equal to this monster's original attack to your opponent. - Once per turn, during the Standby Phase: You can target one "Red-Eyes" monster in your GY or banished zone; return this card to the Extra Deck and if you do, Special Summon that monster. Some aspects might sound unbalanced (you can kinda burn 3/4 of your opponent's Life Points, but maybe someone will start to care about Life Points eventually :v) but it's Red-Eyes, how unbalanced would that really be, let's be honest.

[@HenshinFanatic]

I think you mean Darkness/Nightshroud fans.

[@asnwolf4507]

im not crying, that was a twitch! its not the same, i had something in my eye thats all. you got that? it was a twitch! the other two Atticus fans will get this reference.

[@sizzl75]

Red eyes gets used by at least 3 duelists in the shows (Rex, Joey, Atticus) and it STILL doesn't have a clear playstyle....wait, maybe that's the reason why it's all over the place

[@dariuspatrick1385]

Since Red-eyes has a fusion with summon skull that technically makes it an archfiend card so make it compatible with the red dragon archfiend stuff. A level 1 red eyes resonator that special summons red eyes so you can syncro summon red dragon archfiend along with a fusion card that uses the red eyes in the gy with the red dragon on field to make red-eyes red dragon. It's effect would destroy monsters your opponent controls and deal damage fitting both play styles.

[@Flameville]

I love the fact that red eyes can do so many things and has an identity crisis lol. They can lean into the Zombie part more but future support should focus on bringing out powerful extra deck monsters from each mechanic to kinda simulate Joey’s presence as a duelist being in every era like yugi and kaiba. Lean into the burn damage aspect and the recurring will of Joey to never stay down. It kinda makes sense that red eyes is so all over the place and the burn part is more associated with that one character from GX rather than Joey since Joey had red eyes as just a random Ace in his deck with other random Aces

[@jacobemerson4749]

So this video made me remember a list I started putting together of my own Red-Eyes cards that I will post below. But before that, I wanna share some of my thoughts. So I think the deck would be best if focused on the fusion and XYZ elements. And with Joey, I think a lot of things have been very much ignored. I think Thousand Dragon, Time Wizard, Hermos, and MOST IMPORTANTLY, Flame Swordsman were wrongfully ignored when considering what cards to retrain into Red-Eyes support. So I'm attempting to fix that here. Red-Eyes Baby Dragon (ERRATA'D) Dark/Dragon/Effect Level 3 Atk:1200 Def:700 When this card is used as a fusion material: You can Special Summon 1 Level 7 or lower "Red-Eyes" monster from your Deck, and if you do, equip this card from the GY or banished zone to it. It gains 600 ATK. If this card leaves the field while equipped to a monster: You can add 1 Level 1 Dragon monster from your Deck or GY to your hand. Red-Eyes Time Wizard (NEW) Dark/Spellcaster/Effect Level 2 Atk:500 Def:400 If you have "Red-Eyes Baby Dragon" in your hand or on your field, you can banish it and this card to fusion summon "Red-Eyes Thousand Dragon" from your Extra Deck. You can only summon "Red-Eyes" monsters the turn you activate this effect. Hermos the United Dragon (NEW) Dark/Dragon/Effect Level 7 Atk:2700 Def:1400 (This card is always treated as a "Red-Eyes" monster) You can banish one level 7 Dragon monster or one spell that mentions a "Red-Eyes" card from your GY: Special summon this card from your hand. You can banish this card from your field and banish one level 7 Dragon monster from your GY: Special summon a "Red-Eyes" Fusion monster or a Fusion monster that requires a "Red-Eyes" monster as material. You can only use the effect of "Hermos the United Dragon" once per turn. Red-Eyes Fusion (ERRATA'D) Normal/Spell/Effect Fusion Summon 1 Fusion Monster that lists a "Red-Eyes" monster as material from your Extra Deck, using monsters from your hand, Deck, or field as Fusion Materials, and if you do, its name becomes "Red-Eyes Black Dragon". You cannot Normal or Special Summon other monsters after you activate this card. You can only activate 1 "Red-Eyes Fusion" per turn. Red-Eyes Salamandra Fusion (NEW) Spell/Equip/Effect When this card is activated: Fusion summon a "Red-Eyes" fusion monster or a Fusion monster that mentions a Red-Eyes" monster as material from your Extra Deck using materials from your field or GY, then equip it with this card. While that fusion monster is equipped with this card, it gains 1000 attack points and cannot be destroyed by card effects. You can only summon "Red-Eyes" monsters for the rest of the turn. Red-Eyes Thousand Dragon(NEW) Dark/Dragon/Fusion/Effect Level 7 Atk:2400 Def:2000 "Red-Eyes Baby Dragon + Red-Eyes Time Wizard" This card can also be special summoned from the extra deck by banishing it's materials from your GY. If this card is special summoned: Destroy a number of cards on your opponent's field equal to the number of "Red-Eyes" monsters on your side of the field. You can pay 2000 life points and if you do, special summon "Hundred Dragon" from your hand or deck. You can use this effect up to twice per turn. Red-Eyes Flame Swordsman Fire/Warrior/XYZ/Effect Rank 7 Atk:1800 Def:1600 "2 Level 7 Red-Eyes monsters" This card can also be XYZ summoned using two copies of "Hundred Dragon" on your side of the field. This card gains 700 attack for every XYZ material attached to it. Once per turn, you can detach a XYZ material from this card and target one either "Red-Eyes" monster in your banished zone and special summon it, or one spell/trap in your GY that mentions a "Red-Eyes" card and add it to your hand.

[@galaxydragon8326]

Joseph: no dire dont turn me into a marketable plushiee... DIRE NOOOO ª

[@gabrielpelletier6202]

I feel like boosting the consistency and leaning into Red-Eyes being a toolbox deck, with DM being control and Blue-Eyes being beatdown, would be the best way to go. Make it a deck that can pivot on a dime.

[@Netherwolf6100]

Dark Magician is Control and Spell Searching/ Field Removal. Blue-Eyes is a Fast-Paced Beatdown and Battle-Phase Focused Deck. Red-Eyes should have been the Graveyard Revival/Burn Deck. Its literally right there but Konami had no idea what to do with the dragon. So sad.

[@Grimsly3736]

Even in theme the GY makes a lotta sense as the weakest of the 3 rival archetypes and especially with its soul stuff

[@nathanbrownlee9276]

I think a neat idea would be to create a line up of fusion monsters mixing Red Eyes with the cards Joey won in Battle City, like Jinzo, Insect Queen, Fortress Whale, or Legendary Fisherman. Since Red Eyes is all about “Potential”, additional support could be inspired by Joey’s growth as a duelist throughout the series. Time Wizard is kinda the embodiment of this idea so maybe we can get a retrain of it that uses “Time Magic” to either fast forward time (by immediately taking Red Eyes and turning it into any of its fusions, kinda like Eye of Timaeus with DM) or turn back time (by taking a Red Eyes fusion, and summoning the named materials from anywhere).

[@Ragnarok540]

Red Eyes Zombie Chaos Dragon: Level 9 Synchro, Zombie, Dark, requires a zombie tuner and a "Red-Eyes" dragon monster as materials, if this card is synchro summoned, send cards from the top of your deck until you have the same numbers of cards as your opponent's deck (yes this is grass in an extra deck monster). You can only activate zombie monster effects, and the effects of dragon type "Red-Eyes" monsters during the turn you activated the previous effect.

[@DisappearBlade]

This is what it would take to make Red-Eyes viable, especially if the cards require the use of the normal or gemini monsters. It would also give you a access to all the milled monsters to revive on your opponents turn with lvl 10 Zombie Red-Eyes. What could go wrong (Barrier Statues, Kristya, Jowgin, End of Anubis, ect.)

[@Hyavobi]

MBT with Young Justice intro goes hard

[@michaelguinnee-sh9xd]

They should lean into the Gemini aspect of the deck by printing bust Gemini support. Geminis already fit the theme of potential and are ripe for the breaking. The other Joey warrior cards could be Gemini monsters, and the support could work like normal support but up to level 6. There could be cards like unexpected dai, but gives the choice to either summon 2 lv6 or lower card as normals, or one as an effect monster. With solid effects like some of the snake-eye but more balanced on geminis would work really well, and the cards could combo with catalyst field. Maybe, if we’re feeling real bold, a couple of broken gamble effects could be added as a bonus, like when the cards is Gemini summoned, they flip for a counter that could be protection, pop or a negate that can be transferred to an extra deck monster that was summoned using that card as a material.

[@yunfanji]

I love how someone went "yeah red eyes should be more controlly" and writes a red eyes that specials itself 3 times

[@chuggajr]

Let’s just ignore the problem with balancer that it says 1+ effect monsters in an archetype with a from deck fusion spell. Very easily will be used to mill like 25 cards in some dumb OTK.

[@otroweonllamadoseba]

One simple errata "for the rest of the turn you can't especial summon monsters except Red-eyes monsters" and that's it, this archetype becomes good.

[@notabear2614]

Given the number of red-eyes cards that involve dumping their cards and special summoning them, there should be red-eyes cards that gain or activate their effect from being summoned from the GY. Here is my idea: Red-eyes Rising dragon Dragon/effect Lvl 7 2000/2000 (This card is treated as red-eyes b. dragon while on the field) If this card is special summon from the GY reduce all your opponent's monster attacks by 2000, and if their attack is reduced to 0 destroy them (Quick Effect): If this card is in the GY, banish 1 "red-eyes" monster, and special summon this card. You can only special summon this card using this effect once per turn The idea is you would repeatedly special summon this card from GY (either by its own effect or something like red-eyes wyvern) and then send them to the GY (like using them as material for an extra deck monster). While doing this you are also breaking your opponent's board or weakening them while you build your own board. This can also make use of cards of red stone as a way to dump multiple red-eyes and black metal dragons equipping it to Red-eyes Rising Dragon and then sending it to GY. I don't think it's not enough to make the archetype tier or anything but it's starting to feel more synergistic with each other

[@streeker007]

Here's a new card based off of Dragon Spirit of White: Dragon Spirit of Darkness Attribute: Dark Level: 7 Type: Dragon/Effect ATK: 2400 DEF: 2000 (This card is always treated as a "Red-Eyes" card.) This card is treated as a Normal Monster while in the hand or GY. When this card is Normal or Special Summoned: You can target 1 card in your opponent's GY: Banish that target. Once per turn, during either player's turn, except the turn this card was sent to the GY: If your opponent activates a spell/trap card on the field: You can banish this card from your GY; then negate its activation and destroy it. You must control a "Red-Eyes" monster to activate and resolve this effect.

[@Yuuto_Katsuki]

Sounds about the same as my version on deviantart XD

[@streeker007]

@@Yuuto_Katsuki Yea. I imagine either a ghostly Red-Eyes Darkness Dragon or an altered version of Red-Eyes Darkness but with claws

[@VixYW]

Just imagine if they went all in the gemni side of things and managed to make it broken. Would be hilarious.

[@Rhino-n-Chips]

Dire's cards are actually pretty good, but have DM syndrome, where they'll immediately be played in anything that isn't Red-Eyes. At best they'd be played with Darkness Metal Dragon and absolutely nothing else. The "If you have a Red-Eyes in your GY" is a good start, but they all needed something similar.

[@dan0blau585]

What about a Red Eyes Imitator Dragon? Level 7 Dark Typ Dragon The effect: This card is treated as an normal Monster named Red Eyes Black Dragon, when it is on the field or in your graveyard. You can special summon this card from your Hand or graveyard if you put a Red eyes monster, except Red eyes Imitator Dragon, from your hand or deck into the graveyard. Attack: 2400 Def: 2000 Are there flaws in this wording? This card could solve the problem of not having a red eyes monster in your grave, wich is kinda essencial in some circumstances. Italk about the revival effect of the card "Return of the Dragonruler" spell card that helps red Eyes monster to get specialt from the grave. Also this card would help in terms of beginning to do something in the first turn (short form: this is a good starting card). And the fact that it is a LEVEL 7 RED EYES monster would help with the spell card "Cards Of The Red Stone" wich let's you draw 2 cards when sending 1 LEVEL 7 RED EYES monster from your Hand to the grave (hard once per turn). This card would solve many issues withe this arc type, but i don't know if Konami will even see this.

[@dan0blau585]

Or you could let this card special a LEVEL 7 or LOWER Red Eyes Monster, except Red Eyes Imitator Dragon, from your hand by discarding it into the grave. (Hard once per turn)

[@dan0blau585]

And we do not need another Red Eyes search card, we have "Red Eyes insight" to search Red Eyes spell and trap cards and then we have "Cards of the red stone" and to trash red eyes monster we have "Armageddon Knight", " Dragonshrine", "Cards of the red stone", "Red eyes Imitator Dragon" (my creation) and maybe the "red eyes alternative Dragon".

[@joseruizdiaz9622]

Something I thought about a while ago is Red-Eyes has potential, not in the sense of a kid who has the chance to do anything, althought not everything, but rather as an old man whose life was uneventful, and every day dreams about what he could've done in the past without putting any effort into changing his own present.

[@jacobwoodard818]

I think if we could make some easy to special summon Red-Eyes lv.7s you could make The Origin of the Red-Eyes a thing. But it would have to be as simple as it just activating when the burn damage happens without chaining stuff. This would let you have another really good interruption just by making Red-Eyes Darkness Flare Metal Dragon. The problem people would have though is because Red-Eyes Fusion was given such a heavy restriction instead of just locking you into Red-Eyes extra deck monsters this wouldn't lock you out of making the archetypes most powerful boss monster Dragoon. So they would have to make a less restricted version of Red-Eyes Fusion that just locks you into Red-Eyes extra deck monsters. This would allow you the potential to add layers with Bystials without allowing people to make it obscenely broken.

[@Wargulf2838]

honestly, just make it so "Red-eyes fusion" is not a "lose to yourself card". example: Fusion Summon 1 Fusion Monster that lists a "Red-Eyes" monster as material from your Extra Deck, using monsters from your hand, Deck, or field as Fusion Material, and if you do, its name becomes "Red-Eyes Black Dragon". You cannot Special Summon monsters the turn you activate this card *(except "Red-Eyes" monsters)*. You can only activate 1 "Red-Eyes Fusion" per turn. theres enough red-eyes extenders to make at least one other monster, and potentially another interruption. they just need to not have a Walmart-bin version of shaddoll fusion.

[@Yuuto_Katsuki]

I did fix Red-Eyes and bunch of other cards myself XD I uploaded them on my deviantart even.

[@Wargulf2838]

@@Yuuto_Katsuki you got me curious. i'm gonna check it out.

[@Wargulf2838]

@@Yuuto_Katsuki you have many interesting ideas but some of them are either confusing, or over the top. a few examples: -Dark magician girl the black dragon knight, its effects are quite fine. either an interruption or a stat modulator, it's okay. but... Considered as "Dark magical girl" and "Red-eyes dragon", and provided you use the REF, it's also/rather "Red-eyes black dragon". the judge will need a coffee with this one. -Baby metal dragon + Black flare dragon. Norm the baby, link-off the baby, add 2, chain-block one of them, and another normal summon on top of that? i agree Red-Eyes need help, but no need for a Dino 2 -Blazing dragon is a tad overtuned IMO. you go baby link add 2, use quick fusion, special summon black comet, effect, burn, tribute comet for blazing, nuke the opponent's board, burn, activate REF, special dragoon or ultimate for otk? Agreed, that's a very hopeful situation, but it *can* happen? hmmm.... not sure about that chief. otherwise, i like most of your ideas. while your Red-Eyes is a tad bit more overtuned than i'd like, i'd still love to play with/against it to experience it.

[@Yuuto_Katsuki]

@@Wargulf2838 I can still change some when I have new ideas. But it's also kinda hard to figure out what Red-Eyes wants to do most. I kinda tried to incoorperate all of its style. But OTK's are far too common imo anyway. So no need to make that any easier lol On top, I also rebalance other cards, like making annoying or degenerate negates and all more fair and lock most archetype bosses into their archetypes. (Especially Verte and Halq). I have a long way, and it's impossible to make the balance perfect, but at the very least I could make it managable. PS: Comet Dragon is Level 8, not 9. Blazing dragon's burn effect therefore wouldn't work with comet. It's a dangerous effect after all from my view.

[@trichroma1820]

Leaning into recursion actually makes a ton of sense with Red-Eyes' emphasis on burn. It could be turned into a deck with a strong grind game that uses repeated turn-on-turn burn effects that gradually end the game.

[@SkeleSama]

red eyes custom ideas: -make a dragon lvl 4 that searches zombie world so you CAN play zombie red eyes if you want similar to necro banshee, so that the zombie red eyes can do something -make more spells and such that go off red eyes name and dont specify dragon typing in order to facilitate this maybe a main deck zombie red eyes in the main deck to be related to this card and maybe able to summon old red eyes zombie dragon (main deck) wouldnt be good but would be nice to do -hate to say it make a red eyes bone tower for burn and give em a fusion with it would be kinda funny (make it the zombie black stone)

[@derpyquagsire6678]

I do wish Konami kept with warrior equip strategy so it would be like a reverse of the Felgrand monsters or a fusion version of Dragunity's.

[@bobrianfo104]

A new black metal dragon that can be summoned from the deck off of any "red eyes" monster equipped with any trap card that can also be revealed and shuffled back into the deck to search a red eyes card if you draw it would be like a more fun illusion of chaos.

[@fluffyninja3467]

As a long time Red-Eyes player, I can say this video went about exactly as I expected - everyone having ENTIRELY different ideas all around. So many ways to play Red-Eyes, all of them, bar one or two are actually decent. Personally, if you ask me, I agreed with the idea of making more Metalmorph based Metal Dragons for Red-Eyes to cheat out extra deck cards, but I know that'll never realistically happen.

[@M3rtyville]

After playing Rush Duels, I want the Meteor Dragon Archetype. Red-Eyes some interesting support in Rush Duels, perfectly balanced for that format. I don't think something like Meteor Black Mars Dragon, Meteor Drake or Baby Meteorite Dragon would work in TCG. But I love the focus on non-Effect Monster support. There is a fusion spell called Meteorite Fusion or something which is a fusion spell that lets you fusion summon a monster that lists Red-Eyes Black Dragon, Meteor Dragon or Summon Skull in their cardtext using materials from your hand and your field (since hand fusing is very powerful in Rush, it is a big deal to have that restriction). If you fusion summon a non-Effect monster with this spell, destroy 1 card. So what I would like is cards that make the non-Effect portion of Red-Eyes powerful. It is absolutely insane we don't have anything like that.

[@dajohnniesanders6997]

I would love for red-eyes to get a field spell. that says up to twice-per-turn discard a red-eyes monster then target a Gemini monster you control, it becomes an effect monster, and gain its effect. Once-per-turn special summon a red-eyes monster from your hand or grave I would love the red-eyes version of insect queen, gilford, alligator swordman, panther warrior, battle warrior warrior, sword hunter, masked dragon, troop dragon, and others

[@kennygee3062]

I wish the deck was themed around taking dragons, equipping them with armour equip cards, then using fusions to create Metal Dragons

[@umbralfrontier7905]

My take on amped up Red-eyes support ahould lean in on being both a Toolbox Strat as whilst adding more recursion effects. One could also add ways that you can snatch fusion material from the opponent to bring out an In-Archtype Red-Eyes Zombie Dragon or introducing new fusions with the likes of Jinzo, The Legendary Fisherman, or Insect Queen

[@onokenfudou3394]

Before the Pendulum format I often played red eyes with Hieratic Dragons, Atum can literally summon Red-Eyes Darkness Metal Dragon from the deck (Although 0/0) and you can often do rank 6 and 7 xyz with Hieratics, since if you tribute a Hieratic monster you can summon a normal monster from the deck regardless of level, enabling some fun combos, though nowadays I don't know how it would fare.