Can We Make This Hornby GWR 0-6-0 Run? - Burned Out Motor

[@katerinakittycat3849]

Duck would say You're efforts are a true example of the great Western way. Well done

[@SMTMainline]

Thank you!

[@trainboy7812]

This is how u fix duck The GREAT WESTERN WAY

[@peterforden5917]

@@trainboy7812 yes a Great Way Round fix :D

[@TheAntisocialTrain]

There's an excellent fellow on KZbin called 00Bill, who does a lot of servicing of old British models, I certainly would check him out. Excellent video, I have an older version of these, lovely models the GWR panniers are

[@SMTMainline]

That’s good to know, it wouldn’t be bad to learn more about these locomotives.

[@stacy3]

@@SMTMainline there are scammers in the comments impersonating you trying to scam the viewers

[@vikingsmb]

@@stacy3 i just noticed that as well

[@erikthepirate8068]

He reminds me of Duck from Thomas & Friends.

[@davidknowles2491]

@@erikthepirate8068 Duck is the same class of loco, just with a different paint scheme. :)

[@RaeSuz]

There are currently 4 kids in our house playing “guy that opens boxes of trains”. This consists of wrapping up HO trains in bubble wrap, putting them in boxes, and delivering said box to someone else to open and analyze. Thanks for giving us a new game to play!

[@ArcadiaJunctionModelTrains]

Great Western Railway Pannier Tank. Hundreds of them were built - converted from older locos I believe - and served for decades on mostly passenger lines in the west of England. Many in push-pull services on branch lines. Lasted in service on British Rail until the 1960s. The London Underground system operated them too in a gorgeous red livery. Great video. I have the GWR version myself and I run it with a push-pull Autocoach trailer.

[@SMTMainline]

They could use them in tunnels?

[@ArcadiaJunctionModelTrains]

@@SMTMainline a lot of the system is not underground in the outer suburbs and this is were they worked.

[@manda60]

@@SMTMainline Yes. Many of them were used in tunnels. The 5700 class was sort of a maid-of-all-work for the GWR and later, the western division of BR. About the only place you wouldn't find them was on hotshot express passenger runs, and I'd be surprised if one didn't wind up on one of those at least once. A very versatile and useful engine.

[@jimmyseaver3647]

Ah, the autocoach. Here, we call them "Cab Cars", but the operation is little, if any different. Tie a set of controls at the end of a commuter car to the locomotive and just simply walk between them during operations.

[@jayadriano6100]

ITS DUCK FROM TTTE

[@antonbruce1241]

There are always those times when "jerry-rigging" the solution is exactly what ya need to do. Good work Harrison!!!!

[@SMTMainline]

I didn’t see too many different options in this case, luckily it worked.

[@antonbruce1241]

@@SMTMainline Not luck, my young friend...SKILL. And Harrison, when it comes to fixing model locos - YOU GOT MAD SKILLS!

[@randallellison6421]

Cool little locomotive Harrison!

[@SMTMainline]

Thanks

[@MattKonsol]

@randall ellison I agree with you sir it’s amazing I might get this kinda stuff someday who knows?

[@joallawestervelt6918]

Absolutely incredible. "The Harrison Touch" reigns supreme once again. Totally enjoyed watching this video. Thanks so much Harrison. 💕😊💜

[@SMTMainline]

Haha, thanks as always!

[@joallawestervelt6918]

@@SMTMainline most welcome 😋

[@dansmodelrailways7886]

I have worked on countless of these. Your solution is an excellent example of what can be done. That Mashima motor will last forever and is a lot smoother and quieter than the old X04 you replaced.

[@SMTMainline]

It seems like a quality motor.

[@robinforrest7680]

You’re missing a brass bolt on the screw that runs through the magnet. X04 motors are pretty much bullet proof. It needs it to really secure the motor between the pole pieces. So yeah, someone really had messed around with this one. Replace that brass bolt and I reckon you’ll be good to go

[@colbeausabre8842]

I was thinking add a supermagnet to replace the stock one, but now, I'd try your approach first. Maybe do both.

[@joshuagoodfellow1719]

A t 5.25 you can see the bolt in the resting in the hole of the chassis. It is there but has been loosened

[@SMTMainline]

It's possible that would help but the coils are likely no good anymore.

[@robinforrest7680]

@@SMTMainline if you’ve got the time just try putting the nut and bolt back in nice and tight (make sure there’s no air gap between the pole pieces and the magnet) and give the motor a 9v battery test . The coils look really clean to me so I’d be surprised if it was burnt out. The XO4 is a pretty rugged unit. When properly set up and serviced they are very reliable. The commutator slots can get gummed up with carbon deposits and need to be gently cleaned out with a wooden cocktail stick (don’t use anything metal). The commutator can be cleaned with meths, or the 00Bill T-cut on a cotton bud and a « scroosh » of aerosol contact cleaner method. It would be a shame to bin what is probably a perfectly good motor. I’ve saved nearly all of mine over the years just by treating them this way. If the coils are « bugg***d », you’ll find that out if you do a continuity test on each commutator segment with a multi-meter. Best of luck! I look forward to hearing how you get on. Triang Hornby put them in just about everything up until the late ´70’s. Yours looks like a later one with its gold coloured coils and just bare phosphor bronze bearings. The earlier ones had felt oil retaining pads on these bearings.

[@deanphillips526]

@@SMTMainline I know this is an older reply but I've found that you'd have to be really unlucky for the coils to go. Replace the magnet with a neodymium one, make sure that brass bolt is tightened and I think it'll be good. I've looked at load of these x04 motors and I've only had a couple with burned coils, it's usually the commutator, brushes and magnets Great videos, thanks for taking the time to share

[@thatsimulatorguy]

Especially with the tips on the livestream you gave me about rivarossi, thanks for showing me the process of adding a different motor to it. Now my 2-8-8-2 will ride the rails once more

[@SMTMainline]

I'm glad that was helpful!

[@005AGIMA]

Thanks for this video. Recently collected my original engines from childhood from the UK, including this one. It never ran great even back then. This video has been very helpful as I work towards getting it running better than new.

[@newhavennscale]

That is a nice looking locomotive, SMT!

[@SMTMainline]

Thank you very much!

[@MattKonsol]

It is I agree with you @New Haven N-Scale

[@railsofontario3029]

The real engine is a GWR Pannier tank engine with over 800 built and lasted long into British rail with several preserved. Yours is mostly complete just missing a buffer and copper funnel topper and is obviously Ducks basis from Thomas. Great job bringing Duck back SMT!

[@SMTMainline]

Fascinating history, thanks for sharing!

[@micoasters]

I was getting ready to work on a broken tyco spirit of 76 and saw this uploaded so I guess a good thing to watch while doing some of my own repairs

[@FrankTedesco]

And the extension layout is up and running! How nice.

[@Graham771]

Love the British locomotive hard to find in the U.S and Canada

[@mercuryoak2]

Well that is an excellent repair you did. It's unfortunate the original motor died but I know that Sam's trains would be quite impressed to see this locomotive back on the rails again.

[@SMTMainline]

Yep, a loco from cross the pond comes back to life in Canada

[@mercuryoak2]

@@SMTMainline I know right it's not bad you got a variety of things for your collection

[@petel598]

These motors respond extremely well to a good service and remagnatising the magnet at the rear of the motor.

[@Train_Master_4014]

Nice video that looks like Duck From the Thomas and Friends show I watched when I was a kid

[@irenecraggs6123]

and thats how its done another excellent repair well done harrison

[@richardsweeney197]

You did a wonderful job changing the motor, she looks really nice on your layout.

[@yestrainsalwaystrains7155]

That gwr 0-6-0 is one of my most favorite British steam locomotives ever, they are really beautiful and cool.

[@SMTMainline]

They did a great job with the design

[@yestrainsalwaystrains7155]

@@SMTMainline indeed

[@leverettrailfan5414]

I definitely think the problem with this engine was the Alnico field magnet had been removed, and it was no longer strong enough. A neodymium magnet or re-charging with a motor magnetizer would, in theory, bring it back to life. But that Mashima motor is so much quieter! It did look like the engine was having a hard time with slow speed running, I wonder why. Always fun to see you tackle another project locomotive. I totally discounted using hot glue to mount motors, but maybe I need to give it a try.

[@SMTMainline]

I think it's time I invest in a re-magnitizer to help fix these locos up.

[@robinforrest7680]

@@SMTMainline hi there. I’m pretty sure the motor is ok. If there’s an air gap between the pole pieces and the magnet the motor will not run properly, that’s what the long brass bolt and nut going through are intended for, put them back in place and tighten them up and I guarantee it’ll run fine.

[@stopmotioncrashes36]

It’s amazing how you fix all sorts of these trains

[@SMTMainline]

Thank you!

[@stopmotioncrashes36]

Your welcome! SMT

[@johnramirez5996]

I always put them on track before I put body on. So if there's any problem I can visually see what it's doing while testing it. After successful test I place the body back in place. That way I only have to take it apart 1x and not risk of accidentally damage to the body or other things. Great video and job with not letting weak motor keeping it off the rails.

[@SMTMainline]

It’s not a bad idea, I kinda jumped the gun in this case.

[@johnramirez5996]

@@SMTMainline it's ok been there before but not with trains but other things. Like cars. I love to work on cars off road vehicles race card ATV and snowmobile. Heavy stuff that if you don't do it right first time is pain pulling back out to do again. My hands are scars upon scars. Smashing knuckles amongst other injuries. Lol gets easier.

[@ecidaho]

Just purchased one of these that came with a lot of OO from Goodwill. Mine was seized with gunk oil from ages gone by. Cleaned it up and was able to get it to run again! Repainting now. Thanks and take care!

[@SMTMainline]

Simplicity is a strength for these types of locomotives

[@FrankTedesco]

You got a new worktable! Yay!

[@stephenclaridge1896]

Great to see a British train doing the laps on your layout

[@stephenclaridge1896]

Careful, people I got a message from @user-lw2pm8iy7l saying I won, with this comment

[@johnd8892]

A good test of a motor magnet strength is to see how it attracts a small screwdriver. Comparison with your best open frame type motors will show what the strength should be. A weak magnet motor will always give sub optimal performance. Most of this era magnets will lose strength if taken out of the motor and thus be out of the magnetic circuit. Looks like this has happened in the past. Mashimas are a great motor, but I am amazed that you got the gear mesh even working with a hot glue method. If the gear mesh is not spot on , the motor will draw extra current and not perform as well as it should.

[@wowdad3055]

Great job once again.

[@SMTMainline]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@defensematrix4500]

Nice save in this awesome engine

[@BroWCarey]

Another super video from the Quebec miracle man! Great work, Harrison!

[@SMTMainline]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@johncloar1692]

Nice work Harrison it take some innovation to get them running. Thanks for the video.

[@SMTMainline]

Thanks, I'm glad it paid off.

[@Benthetrainkid]

GWR Pannier Tank (TTTE fans know it as Duck's basis)

[@Petemonster62]

SMT - I agree with Tony Zhang that you should remove the bottom plate & inspect the wheels, axles, & pick-ups. The little square brown thing with wire leads is a ceramic capacitor that was wired in parallel to the motor to filter out static made by the motor.

[@SMTMainline]

I was wondering what that part was for, genius design.

[@rongoodwin4053]

What a great solution, well done, thanks for sharing.

[@rongoodwin4053]

​@UCbJZfVxRjCqRtueQjPGOqpA Thank you, but sorry, in U.K. please redraw for one of your U.S. subscribers.

[@thomaseinstein9074]

Thank you for fixing Montague!

[@SMTMainline]

Any time

[@michaelhardeman6004]

I like your work Harrison. Keep up the good work. Your rigging up is pretty cool.

[@SMTMainline]

Thanks!

[@MMRails]

If you’re new to this channel and SMT asks us “will it run?” half way through the video… the answer is always NO. Lol. Great stuff kid! Genius fix. Old parts to create a new machine.

[@SMTMainline]

I really thought this one was a goner, not today lol.

[@TCSC47]

Excellent video! As per other comments here, I would never have thought of a hot glue gun and tape to mount the motor. Another technique in my tool box! Also as per other comments, I would have tried a neodymian magnet. Very cheap and powerful enough to have much smaller magnets and ignore any airgap if they don't quite fit. In fact you may actually want an airgap to reduce magnet power. Too much force as the armature rotates can apparently wear the armature axle bearing into an ovel shape so I am told. I have not experienced that problem myself however. Cheers!

[@buecomet831]

Now that's the great western way

[@MattKonsol]

Yes now he could pull the slip coaches now and do it the great western way.

[@Zebrails]

Seeing the thumbnail, I first thought "Salvage Or Scrap"... then I heard the intro and shook my head to realize this wasn't Sam speaking... Carrying on, I finally got myself one of those fiberglass pencils (by Faller) costing $25CA [yikes]... 12:34 needs a bell and light and watch the U.K.'ers laugh at a "westernized Pannier" take to HO scale. Amazing, SMT... just amazing! John, B.C.

[@Zebrails]

SMT, Is this message real about me winning this locomotive? I remember you mentioning a scam going on recently. John

[@mercuryoak2]

@@Zebrails no it's fake.. I actually been trying to help remove them by clicking remove and Harrison will have them in his KZbin studio I wanted the moderators of the live chat as well as a few others. I guess we have that ability to click remove a comment like that and he has to see it. I just messaged him about this type of comment I had a screenshot of one of the scam comments

[@Zebrails]

@@mercuryoak2 This is the link I got: www.youtube.com/@user-lw2pm8iy7l/about I kinda wondered about why the message was so late. John

[@mercuryoak2]

@@Zebrails it's a fake account I've already referred it to KZbin as well this is what Harrison was talking about a scam and I didn't know it was going on until I got a notification from a comment that I counted on as a reply and it showed up on my side. I know he said something about it when he mentioned about the Christmas tree train contest. I literally just got the notification that this spam account was commenting I've been going through trying to hit remove on every comment which his KZbin studio is going to be flooded because of it and I feel bad but it's a scam and it has to go

[@Zebrails]

@@mercuryoak2 Thank you. John

[@LevelUpModelTrains]

SMT You Are The Best At Restoring Locomotives love your vids!

[@SMTMainline]

Thank you!

[@ChristopherBrown-mq1lg]

Nice job👍

[@oskarvalance3041]

As always, great vid. From Texas, Hook'em Horns

[@johnlongssilverrailz5873]

Ingenious fix

[@TheOldMates405]

Love your vids mate but that fix is a bit shockin Glad ya got it running but would love to see you come back and reinstall the correct motor in a future episode

[@SMTMainline]

If the coils aren't bad and I can get a magnitizer I will.

[@grahamlane1313]

Hi harrision i just did my first loco project off ebay mine was same as your the gwr pannier tank .i was lucky with mine only wrong with my hornby pannier tank was the carbon brushs where sticking up so not tochg commutator i changed them round and got a pretty decent runner good job on your loco pity on the orignal motor

[@FantasiaFirefly]

Great job

[@pfflyer3381]

Catching up, spider show v.informative. especially for this novice, who's last train set was in 1964,65. What I like most about your channel, no excess noise, AND it's not about you! Tell your parents... great job!

[@SMTMainline]

I really appreciate your comment, I have been trying to make these videos more informative so it's good to hear that.

[@TrainmasterSP-qk2lo]

Great job!

[@donreed5029]

That was impressive!

[@BR45723]

I own quite a few Triang/Hornby models with that type of motor, specifically the X.04 motor, think of it as a downsized, 3 pole version of the DC71 motor, Triang created it and retrofitted almost all their models to use it, early diesels used a motor bogie with a motor frame cast into it, but all steam locos (barring the Caledonian and Dean singles) used the X.04, part of the reason why Triang did so well, the normalisation of components cheapened the models As for the creation of the X.04 itself, smaller motors were able to be used, as diecast bodies weren’t a thing Triang delved into, first using cellulose acetate bodies, before moving onto polystyrene in the mid 50s, lighter locomotives meant they didn’t need such beefy motors The X.04 continued production into the Hornby era, though a smaller motor was soon created, and tender engines/bogie diesels started to use their new Ringfield motors, starting with their 9F “Evening Star” loco, however tender engines with small tenders (namely the Ivatt 2MT and Holden B12) continued to use X.04s

[@BR45723]

Also, I’d recommend being careful with these earlier Triang/Hornby models, their wheel profile was rather thick, and from my personal experience, they tend to catch on finer scale track switches because of the thick flanges, wheel replacements are easy to do though Thank you for listening to me ramble

[@dennisneo1608]

This is a Sam's Trains specialty. But good job.

[@donnlowe9129]

Good fix.

[@lemonlime3634]

Thanks for doing a British steam engine there my favorite

[@oscartorres96]

SMT That Engine reminds me of Duck From Thomas The Tank Engine and Friends and Nice Video.

[@SMTMainline]

It does look similar!

[@MattKonsol]

Yes duck is based on this locomotive

[@gerardrusso9642]

great as usual

[@grahamlane1313]

Hi harrision i just watched your video on the tri ang r55 tri ang first made in 1970

[@jayadriano6100]

That was the most GREAT WESTERN WAY of doing it And it is a crime of not trying to put a face on the thing

[@SMTMainline]

I'm not into trains with faces tbh

[@internationalaudio9702]

​That's fine. Some modelers who do Thomas stuff don't put faces on their models. Even the creator of Thomas who is Wilbert Awdry did not put faces on his model engines.

[@carterjames8829]

UK in my opinion, has the best railways in the world.

[@colbytaylor4813]

Duck lives!! If you know, you know

[@faceman8893]

Fabulous!

[@Salvacottontail]

Ah the 57xx’s( given away by the first 2 numbers on the road number) a fan favorite with both regular enthusiasts and with thomas fans due to a character of that class named duck (actual name being montague) after another 57xx model the the author, reverend wilbert awdry which had a bent wheel, making it waddle like a duck, nearly 20ish years before the book containing him was published in 1947 edit: a bit more backstory to the model, since he only probably had the mk1 models he made, he obviously qould need a spare engine incase something broke or blew out, which kinda correlates with the actual character, which was ment to replace percy(though not scrapped, just moved to thomas's branchline) at the tidmouth yard ,or knapford depending if your reading the books or watching the show, because the work load was to much for percy.

[@Pesce_sole]

Hope you do a vid on the intercity 125! It’s a super cool locomotive

[@Heroduothecomedian]

It's safe to say this model's name needs to be duck because I saw it waddle around while running lol

[@SMTMainline]

It does look like Duck.

[@Heroduothecomedian]

@@SMTMainline because that is duck's real life basis

[@Its_me_6]

@@Heroduothecomedian and it has his exact livery, just missing the number 8.

[@the_autism_express]

Never thought I'd see a GWR 5700 class tank engine on the layout

[@SMTMainline]

These are many more British locomotives to come.

[@the_autism_express]

@@SMTMainline as a fan of British engines, this is an absolute win

[@chrissharp5073]

May I suggest that the magnet may need a boost. The motors are pretty basic and easy to fix but have the magnet with a low output will hinder the motor from working well. Great video though and as always well presented.

[@SMTMainline]

The magnet is certainly weak but I think the coils are bad too.

[@JimmyJamProductions69]

IS THAT DUCK? I like model trains but I sadly have none which is why I watch you.

[@SMTMainline]

I think it is Duck.

[@MattKonsol]

Yup the one and only from Thomas and friends there are two ways of doing things the great western way or the wrong way or the Thomas way

[@railswithethan3715]

It’s a GWR pannier tank one of many varieties but great video

[@railswithethan3715]

Is this real Sorry for asking I’m just cautious

[@louisbabyCT]

One of the biggest problems with the hornby x04 motor, once the magnet is removed, it will have to be remagnetized before it runs again.

[@owendinostudios1200]

Just for your convenience, you’re missing the copper chimney cap for this one

[@billfusionenterprise]

FYI; might want to think about making a magnet magatizer. A device you put the magnet into to energize the magnet. I remember HiQ made one for RC 380 size motors back in the 1990s which allow to restrenthern a motor than may have loss so,e during allot of hot races. Simple enough to build with wire and some scrap steel parts, big thing is to have a u-shape peice of metal to increase flux return around. Power off a spare 12 volt source. Something to think of

[@SMTMainline]

I contacted Ronald Dodd about buying a magatizer, I'm just sorting out the details for shipping and whatnot.

[@billfusionenterprise]

@@SMTMainline other choice is to find a new magnet, but i seen that can be tricky to get right size

[@Mike__B]

Great job, hell even mounting the new motor with hot glue was a great idea. My mind was thinking "so he's got a 3d printer or something where he's going to create a container to screw it to the chassis? nahhh... hot glue makes everything work!"

[@SMTMainline]

Nothing too fancy around here. I just hope the glue holds over time.

[@alanwagstaff16]

There shoukd a copper bit that fits onto the funnel or smoke stack . Look up on Hornby pannier G.W.R tank .

[@Wonlongpong]

I would suggest the armature is fine. Check the resistance across each of the three windings via the commutator. They should be around 7 ohms. The magnet may well need a re-mag. By the way, the body is held in place by the small screw under the left side water tank (as you attempted first) but needs to be completely removed to clear the body. The upper part of the boiler/ tanks that came off should be glued to the main part of the body.

[@SMTMainline]

Judging by the burn marks on the windings I think they would all be shorted by now but I won't throw the motor out without doing your test on it.

[@syko-blud]

It's Duck

[@MattKonsol]

Oh dear

[@syko-blud]

@@MattKonsol Whats wrong

[@MattKonsol]

@@syko-blud nothings wrong I saying a phrase what duck said on some episodes of Thomas and friends

[@syko-blud]

@@MattKonsol Oh okay. You mean Phrase?

[@MattKonsol]

@@syko-blud yuppers sorry ill correct the spelling

[@betsymani2734]

I like that lighter

[@eastonmohney7156]

It’s duck from Thomas and friends

[@davidnewby6095]

normal it is accessed by the side screw so theirs a issue there, the screw poking up should of been screwed right down as it holds the magnet in place and helps hold the motor down, and a common issue with hornby locos of this age is the magnet you should re-charge any you get in the future as a maintenance regime, an the xo4 motor is fairly common to get if you need too replace any try ebay or peters spares

[@carolshaw1234]

I have this gn loco that has severely cracked gears that the wheels mount to

[@historyotaku]

A few comments, your pannier tank is missing the top of the Funnel which is fairly common. I will admit that I'm not exactly impressed that after on track test you concluded the motor was junk and decided to replace it. part of the issue was probably as you say the magnet was at the end of it's life but the screw holding the rear end of the motor together was also missing a nut meaning that screw was an affect useless which didn't help. I also noticed you didn't clean out the spaced between the commutator plates which is crucial maintenance on all motors if you can. I'm also surprised how the chassis of the loco was barely touched with some oil and looks to me the pick ups needed a bit of adjusting. It looks to be in overall good shape bit a bit of cleaning and a drop of oil goes a long way as you should know.

[@matthewpeter]

Runs better with the hot glued Mashima than it ever would with the XO4!

[@SMTMainline]

Funny enough, hopefully the glue will hold.

[@Trainguy6667]

Looks legit

[@WaffleDragon]

There's two ways of fixing a model locomotive, the Great Western way and the wrong way.

[@colbeausabre8842]

"I guess, I'll try turning this screw". Turns screw river. FFFFWWWWWOOOMMMM!! Harison, white teeth smiling from blackened face with hair blown back. "Yes, the locomotive is now disassembled"

[@KibuFox]

Fun fact 00 gauge and HO gauge aren't the same gauge. Well they run on the same track, but 00 gauge is 1:76 scale on the body of the locomotive or car.

[@railfan475productions3]

now all it needs are some new buffers and a chimney cap

[@SMTMainline]

That would be nice

[@stacy3]

@@SMTMainline yes

[@TroublesomeSlateTruck]

Cool.

[@harperlarry49]

A little hot glue saves the loco. Nice job!!

[@brianw4brian]

How about use some upholstery thread around motor with hot glue. Or thin wire wrapped like barrel wrapping on motor.

[@SMTMainline]

Not a bad idea.

[@erikthepirate8068]

Hello, Duck! Long Time No See!

[@peterforden5917]

its an XO3 a 3 pole motor the XO4 is five pole used for express loco's

[@RyderVoisine]

Well that's duck from Thomas and Friends

[@vikingsmb]

it takes a x.04 motor they are bombproof if looked after properly, get scalespeed to repair it :)

[@Fchops11]

Just some info it’s a branch line tank engine called a pannier tank

[@SMTMainline]

Thanks for letting me know.

[@LindseyTate13]

It’s called a 5700 pannier tank locomotive

[@Guest-trains-n-things]

gwr stands for great western railway

[@j.mcq.8418]

I might try to wrap some black tape around the motor and under the chassis behind the wheels for more security. Shouldn't be too visible.

[@SMTMainline]

Not a bad idea.

[@shakeyhandsshedmodelrailwa2494]

1 minute in and spotted no isulation on positive side of spring , the first screw you tried is the correct body screw