Can You Beat Hawke With ONLY Naval Units?

[@DizzyIM]

This is some next level "Andy doesn't know what an airport is" humor

[@savva6577]

There's a very good reason why Hawke doesn't submerge his submarines in this map. If he did, it would be very difficult to route Hawke as you can easily lose sight of his submarines and the game would take much much longer to complete. The developers knew this and made sure to change the AI so that Hawke wouldn't be able to submerge.

[@gicrueldad9520]

I mean, far I know, the AI already submerges Submarines for only 1 turn, in their Submerged turn, they move and rise inmediately, even if that puts them in Range of things (because the AI seems to not care if they are in range of Indirect combat or strong counters. It doesn´t make much sense to made an AI exclusive for a battle like this when the original programing works just fine.

[@butteredsalmonella]

From what I can remember, the AI Pattern of Submarines is that, they sink for 1 turn and for the remainder of it's turn and then rises back the next turn, then submerging the turn-after.

[@alex_zetsu]

If they just recycled the AI from Advance Wars, they wouldn't need to do that since it was dumb as rocks and would surface their submarines at random, often while adjacent to shoals or in port.

[@Nirual86]

I think it might be more of a coding decision to compensate for the fact the AI doesn't have access to APCs to refuel the subs. Unless maybe the AI thinks its pointless to submerge them when there's no FoW and so many cruisers on the field anyway.

[@Sevenes7-S]

Andy: "Don't worry, I can fix everything." Mangs: "Can you fix yourself?" Damn!

[@brianb9222]

How does he fix air units and not know what an airport is? Was he just like "this is a weird tank."

[@BirdRaiserE]

It's funny because "fix" is slang for "neuter"

[@BusterBeachside]

Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Andy the Unwise? They say he could fix all those he cared about... but he could not fix himself.

[@MisterVercetti]

@@brianb9222 My theory is that Wars World works on Team Fortress 2 logic: Andy's just mindlessly whacking away at stuff with his wrench and it just magically repairs/upgrades itself because why not?

[@collectiusindefinitus6935]

@@brianb9222 He didn’t know that planes had to land in order to be repaired, he just fixes them during flight.

[@Hone_mor2525]

Andy trying to date lash and be like: "I can fix her"

[@mauricesteel4995]

Sami: you cant even fix your vocabulary, Andy.

[@amiasg9305]

i ship

[@darwinblau2127]

@@amiasg9305 Nah, Lash is already dating Sonja!

[@michaela2634]

@@darwinblau2127 Ew

[@KopperNeoman]

@MJ Att Pretty sure Sonja is an adult while Lash is like 14

[@SucyTanuki]

the Drake player told you how to beat it like this didn't he?

[@jaxpot7775]

Nah fam, I like Grit better.

[@grimrapper5202]

Arthur beat some sense into the egg

[@MrSmbai]

Fun Fact: the Orange Star island is shaped like the orange star logo and the Black Hole island is shaped like the black hole logo. AKA a star and black hole

[@manuelacuna4188]

Fun fact-

[@rikmcdik6662]

Fun fact: the orange star logo is a star and the black hole icon is a black hole

[@robotsturm6488]

fun fact: orange star is red and black hole is black

[@butteredsalmonella]

Fun Fact: Andy is a CO from Orange Star and Hawke is a CO from Black Hole

[@grimrapper5202]

Fun Fact: Advance Wars is a video game, it's not real. And so does your waifu

[@Zetact_]

Hawke: "STOP BUILDING CRUISERS" Andy: "You seem upset, maybe a Cruiser will cheer you up."

[@mauricesteel4995]

I picture this as Andy with a snakeface.

[@soulhoney1227]

Drake is proud of you

[@theblackx9429]

Gage as well.

[@flukenchrome9259]

Eagle is angery

[@skiller5034]

Sensei is like "meh."

[@Flawskiii]

"This should do around 5 HP of damage or so." *Cruiser gets one shotted-* "... Or not!" I choked on my spit lmfao

[@sev2136]

Mangs "Never build naval units." Comment section "But what if you naval unit only?"

[@jaxpot7775]

= )

[@karbengo]

In a perfect world this mission would be unbeatable only with boats. There are no ranged anti air naval unit in AW2, and cruisers can't reach airports inland, so Hawk would always be able to build new units in safety. But that's not accounting for how stupid the AI is.

[@flukenchrome9259]

Is that why they invented carriers?

[@shootingstardust97]

if we try to replicate this in DS, pretty sure it will be super drawn out but still beatable

[@HanakkoLove]

Seeing the final battle with only two COs is very interesting actually, would look foward to see that happen

[@soulhoney1227]

Hanakko my cat had kittens look at my discord

[@Voidling242]

I did it on normal with Max and Kanbei. Wasn't too too hard but certainly more difficult.

[@jaxpot7775]

The cannon of this battle. Andy: What's an airport again? Hawke: ...It's nothing Andy. (The perfect plan, if he doesn't know what an airport is, then he won't bulid any planes.)

[@jakevanderveen9213]

I think a fun follow up would be to rebuild this map in Duel Strike and then maybe even in Days of Ruin, just because of the big differences in naval combat in those two games, mainly the fact that cruisers can fire on ships and their AA gun is way stronger in later games. In Days of Ruin, Battleships being able to move and fire also makes Naval combat more dynamic too, also Gunboat spam.

[@basedmonk3598]

Mangz: “now this challenge sounds hard!” AW2 hard mode devs: “am I a joke to you”

[@leoneldiaz78]

Challenge Idea: Last mission but you yield with the 2nd and 3rd allied army and only use the first army as Sonja. She will avenge herself after Sturm sniffited her in Advance Wars 1!!!

[@royalghost4914]

I second this

[@apocalypseofplush]

I third this

[@Voidling242]

Normal or advance campaign?

[@TheRalviisch]

Beautiful, this is everything I hoped it would be. The AW1 challenge you mentioned sounds like a fun uphill battle to watch even if it proves to be impossible.

[@ianleather5699]

The hardest part about doing the sturm challenge would be doing the campaign over to get the right COs. Considering Sturm will have hold over Andy's bases, I wonder if grit would actually be really good for dealing with him. Kanbei would also be good because Kanbei.

[@lagg1e]

Usually Max is the best CO in AW1, and Kanbei in AW1 is more like fair and less like OP(+20/+20 instead of +30/+30). Though you can still reach 50% defense on cities. He was talking about Sturm finale in AW, right?

[@malick9549]

@@lagg1e Yeah, it was AW1, and yeah Max is better than Kanbei.

[@ianleather5699]

Mhm, Max would also be a good choice for sure for the sturm finale andy-less, I just imagine Grit could fit well for this challenge

[@malick9549]

@@ianleather5699 Max has 170% firepowet against Sturm, he's so OP.

[@ianleather5699]

@@malick9549 You can have Max and Kanbei at the same time, and I definitely think Kanbei is better than eagle for this mission with how much anti air sturm has and Kanbei having super strong predeployed troops. For the west side of the map, given the andyless challenge, you could either have grit or max and either would work fine.

[@yeetlordentertainment3937]

Andy after beating Hawke with just naval units be like "what's an airport?"

[@thattimestampguy]

0:01 This video was made possible by a comment 4:59 Battleship 6:19 9:32 Submarines 11:20 Sub Combo 12:52 How was THAT!? Thank You.

[@acemonster3533]

Don't ask me why, but I love the way how Mangs say "fun"

[@rikmcdik6662]

When mangs goes ultra meta and says, “I can fix everything”

[@Veylon]

I never knew this was a challenge. This is just how I play this map. Although, if you shoot down the B-Copter right off the bat - and always attack aggressively - Hawke will prioritize replacing air units (yes, at THAT airport) and never build naval, making non-cruisers unnecessary.

[@seanmedina614]

Mangs, do the last mission using the most impractical COs to fight Sturm against. Use Sonja, Drake, Sami

[@VanguardCommanderAC]

I used Sami Sonja and Jess.

[@thehellkite]

Canonically, this is how the battle actually went. Andy has no idea what an Airport is.

[@Thoast_]

naval units feel like rock paper scissors. Its battleship, cruiser, submarine.

[@dangerbeans9639]

This was a fun video. Wouldn’t mind more if these for sure.

[@LavaCaptain-yf6iu]

Maybe you could make a sub series called “Anything You can Do, I can do Better” where you have to beat Certain specialized COs using only their specialty unit and Infantry (Direct Units for Max, Indirects for Grit, Naval Units for Drake, Tanks for Jess, and so forth)

[@sirpig7141]

Have to say, the thumbnail on this video is incredible

[@DumplingDan]

I think if Andy loses in the middle at the final battle you get a game over. Not sure but I think I remember that happening to me once.

[@Mangs1337]

No. You can lose any players in the final battle. You just get a message saying "The Orange Star army has been defeated". You only get a Game Over once all three players have lost.

[@gicrueldad9520]

It applies on Andy times two too, can´t say "it works like that in the whole campaign" because that and Final mission are the only one where the player gets access to multiple armies in the campaign.

[@somewackoonyoutube2449]

I dare you to do this challenge in Sea Fortress, where you have to play as Eagle

[@silbernerritter5834]

Hey Mangs, how about doing a pvp with the campaign maps? Would it be possible? I've seen some PvP for the Fire Emblem campaign, even if it's not possible for Advance Wars, would it be possible to make those on War Room or in Advance Wars by Web?

[@Artemas_16]

Well, you just need to recreate in game's map constructor a campaign map and play it, no?

[@jaxpot7775]

Yeah, Maqqah is doing the FE7 campaign.

[@magix_7391]

There is a patch where one can set up versus matches with campaign matches, so this would be very easy to do!

[@FIamestalker]

And then there's Days of Ruin, in which Battle Copters can't even scratch Cruisers

[@seld2040]

Battle Copters are bad in DoR, you can just go Duster and murder them without retailation.

[@alex_zetsu]

To be honest, I think they went too far. I agree naval units in AW and AW2 were too weak and they should have been made better. But I think a battlecoptor should at least do 30% if it gets the first strike, since battlecoptors are supposed to be descent mobile units with a bit of a glass cannon effect (recons and mechs can actually do quite a bit of damage if they end up with the first strike, even though he mechs use their machine guns which normally is just slightly better than infantry).

[@seld2040]

@@alex_zetsu I think one of the main reasons is that you can one shot cruisers with air units. Maybe get an "anti-air" plating (like the antitank vs tanks) that reduces the damage of bombers, so you need at least two to sink one.

[@fuse197]

I feel like this a hidden "Andy doesnt know what an airport is" joke

[@MrPuffer69]

About the final battle in 1: I think it's possible but your armies must be led by Max and Kanbei for it to work.

[@Voidling242]

I did that in normal campaign.

[@gdrad]

The ai has to be reacting to your unit comp. After filling with cruisers they limited air production and didn't build more fighters. Once you had a battleship they got subs. BCopters might have a weird priority to reflect their uniqueness. Maybe it's a check on what units can do what % dmg to your existing units?

[@Nirual86]

I mean battlecopters are quite effective against naval units. If he kept spamming them they could trade very effectively against the cruisers. The weird choice was the fighters.

[@spoot166]

@@Nirual86 Despite the psychological trauma of seeing your 18K unit halved by a 9K unit at 2:15, copters are not really cost effective vs cruisers. If cruiser first strikes, copter is dead and that's 9K in favor of cruiser. If copter first strikes, it's 55% damage to cruiser (9K worth) and about 50% retaliation damage to copter (4.5K) that's 4.5K in favor of copter. It's true that the maneuverability of the copter is gonna get them more first strikes, but the copter still has a tall mountain to climb to break even with the cruiser let alone be considered cost effective. (None of this matters on a balanced map though, since the copter can fight on land and the cruiser can't which makes the copter infinitely more valuable) But still, it bothers me to see Mangs confidently trashing cruisers for the wrong reasons when 8:15 clearly shows that he has not done his homework lol

[@alex_zetsu]

The VS AI had some RNG built into it, I assume the AI written for the missions have some randomness too.

[@Zetact_]

I know in Dual Strike that the AI reacts to enemy units, like if you build a Recon or AA then they build a Tank, if you build a Transport Copter they build an AA, if you build a Battleship then eventually they'll build a Sub, and so on. Not sure about AW2.

[@Nirual86]

@@Zetact_ there definitely is some amount of that going on in all of the games, its just not as refined in the older ones and the campaign missions clearly have a degree of overriding commands.

[@lostanimeworld11]

Challenge idea: for every mission where you can pick the CO, pick the least favorable/worst COs for the missions, or just try them all.

[@Spilsbury1989]

In Mangs campaign canon, Hawke called Andy a coward a second time, and lured him to this battle again

[@jrbehr4643]

You forgot to make sure you always have a lander. It’s an advance wars law

[@dugtrioramen]

That last mission challenge sounds really tough but probably possible. But I wonder if it's possible in advance wars 2 last mission

[@Artemas_16]

Well, he just need to take Kanbei instead of Eagle and map completed.

[@HanakkoLove]

POV: Andy's dementia worsens

[@montanarandall3126]

doesn't know what airports are

[@ericlizama8552]

"If only he used his airports" Hawked is Andy's father confirmed

[@brandonwilliams6119]

This is a great change of pace and challenge for this Campaign Mission

[@TheJadeknight7]

If you don't use airports then you don't have to know what they are!

[@fadeemblem7665]

I still don't get why it took until Dual Strike for Cruisers to be able to attack other naval units, I really wish they had implemented that in AW1 and AW2. Being able to shoot at Battleships and other Cruisers gives a Cruiser so much extra versatility and makes naval combat much less of an all-or-nothing thing, it lets chip damage happen over time.

[@PaperMario]

There's a unused animation with the cruiser's gun aiming straight forward instead of the air in AW2 so i'd say they were planning to do it but didnt have enough time.

[@nayanael9799]

In dual strike the AI does consider enemy AA units camping in range of airpots... even missiles and carriers.

[@poodlesftw123]

This ironically looked way easier than flying route

[@blackleon1708]

Unexpected, but appreciated

[@jovannevinceariscon9904]

I think this will be a lot harder in AWDS. With the carriers, blackboats, stealths and blackblombs.

[@three-quartersbadger2929]

Mang's Pepsi Max addiction will be the end of him.

[@damayman]

i think the AI is not allowed to use the two inner airports if you go pure naval, if they did it would just turn into a stalemate as you couldn't kill whatever new unit was produced.

[@soulhoney1227]

I was fairly suprised that a full health cruisers can destroy a full health battle copters

[@gicrueldad9520]

@@davidwhidden9337 I mean they still have the defense of an Anti-air being shooted by a B-Copter when they are shooted by a Submarine, and they are cheaper than Subs, so, it could be worse.

[@flukenchrome9259]

Now you have to beat it with just air units

[@leoneldiaz78]

Challenge Idea: play the Green Earth factory mission but only use the Orange Star army and destroy all units/cannons before you break the pipe seam.

[@GameAlicornLuna]

Virgin AW2 Cruiser: *soundless* Chad AWDOR Cruiser: PEW PEW PEW PEW PEW!!

[@TheGamerASD]

Sigma Hawke Grindset

[@nitorishogiplayer3465]

Really wish there were more units and they were cheaper so naval combat could be an interesting thing. The battleship DS/Wii game is like Advance Wars with naval units (but you can't spawn unlimited ships while the cpu can) but the biggest flaw is that it seems to only have campaign mode so you can't play with a friend for instance.

[@WolfOfMassDeath]

"The Final Battle but Andy is Dead"

[@AlleyCatGhost]

The Advance Wars series is one of the best Nintendo-licensed stuff everrrr

[@bobbertcanuck1935]

If you want to throw yourself into that sturm challenge, I'll watch it and root for you the whole time

[@LiroRaeriyo]

notice how the A.I. DIDNT get one?

[@colenelvogel7001]

Andy is Fix It Felix Jr. but at war

[@Zorieon]

Mission Impossible starring Tom Cruiser

[@certifiedcat9010]

Woah Mangs, where's your landers?

[@SageDarkwind]

Andy is pretty much Fix-it Felix.

[@LavaCaptain-yf6iu]

The AW Final Mission MIGHT be Possible without Andy if you Use Max and Kanbei, But it’s unlikely you can do it with any other combination imo.

[@hugocarrillo4227]

To say about this I ship it. Ba dom tisss

[@olympusgolemoflight7198]

Drake: At last, my time has come!

[@layachaz7318]

Andy: "What's an airport?"

[@mauricesteel4995]

Income Sapping is very effective and the CPU doesn't even notice you're doing it. my brother used this to defeat HYPER Kanbei (he used cheats to make Kanbei pop Samurai Spirit every turn) his units being invincible doesn't matter when he cannot afford them. Edit: yeah, why don't you try fighting COs with Infinite SCOP power and see if you win, like Eagle, Kanbei, Andy. (Sensei might as well be impossible).

[@yeetlordentertainment3937]

Now tell him to beat Hyper Kanbei on a predeployed map

[@TKHedgeHog]

YARR YARR YOU ARE A PIRATE!!

[@Raptor747]

The way to balance naval units is to keep them as expensive units, but make them a LOT more capable as compensation. Cruisers should be like mobile Missiles. Battleships should be able to move and shoot in the same turn (and be a lot less vulnerable to things like battlecopters or artillery). Submarines should be able to attack like an artillery (with the same level of firepower and range) while submerged, but in exchange, they're glass cannons if caught on the surface. And carriers should be like mobile airports, able to build and repair air units (and act as a transport for air units), while also having serious AA capability (like an Antiair).

[@evanknopp4441]

I just see Andy asking "what's an airport?"

[@DemonFox369]

Some missions should halve naval prices.

[@douglashtang]

Hi Mangs, could you play mission 15 (Two Week Test. CO Colin) and try to capture Lash's HQ.

[@leonardovaldivia5200]

0:27 Me, who used like 3 cruisers: Surprised pikachu face

[@Link3000XD]

naval fight lets gooo

[@bernizubi5217]

>S rank with only bad units Absolutely mogged

[@MisterVercetti]

*Hawke:* Tremble before my mighty force, combining the best of sea and sky! *Mangs:* hahahaha botes go brrrrrr

[@Darkside007]

AI Hawke will pop Black Wave if he starts his turn or ends an attack with almost no power charge in excess of his COP. If he gets a half-star towards Black Storm, he'll hold for that. This makes the AI exploitable, especially on Sea Fortress, because you manipulate your damage so that he starts a turn with a 50% star and ends with 98% of his SCOP, which means for your entire turn the damage doesn't charge his meter.

[@Guanvro]

It has been a while since I played Campaign Mode in any Advance Wars game. Do you win when you manage to defeat all the enemies the AI built in Campaign Mode, even if you do not capture the HQ?

[@Whurlpuul]

Good thing Andy *knows* what a port is.

[@SagaciousSilence]

Fight Sturm with two COs! That sounds fun.

[@MrMarinus18]

I would love to see a video of yours trying to fix naval combat in Advance wars. My idea is to keep the DOR battleship but lower the price even further to 23000. With the aircraft carrier increase their price to 30.000 but have them come with 1 seaplane for free. Rename cruisers to destroyers and give them a big resistance against air attacks also reduce their cost to 12.000 With subs massively increase their fuel cost when traveling underwater but also reduce their cost to 16.000 Maybe also add new naval units. A frigate which costs 7000 and is the baseline direct naval combat ship. It can fire against helicopters but not planes. It is kind of a tank on the water. A true cruiser that would have all the attributes of the frigate but much more armor and firepower in exchange for more than double the cost at 15.000 and 1 less movement. They have a unique feature of being both a direct and indirect unit. They can move and shoot but if they remain stationary that turn they can fire indirectly. When stationary they have 1-3 range and can fire on planes though they don't do that much damage to them. Neither cruisers nor frigates can seriously damage battleships. Battleships would be very strong and resistant against most attacks. They take some damage from seaplanes but next to no from helicopters and not anything from any surface vessel except other battleships. The only things that can counter them are bombers and subs. Also expand landers into their own subclass called boats. Boats would have the unique attribute of being able to not only go on shore tiles but also on river tiles. You would have different boats. The existing missiles boats, gun boats and monitors. Gunboats have no main weapon but are kind of like the flare tank with their sonar pulse. They would be cheap but rough sea tiles would have a penalty of 3 for boats and a new tile called 'stormy sea' would be free for ships but impassible for boats.

[@Siptom369]

Mangs had to do some research to actually beat this map with naval units

[@LimakPan]

Do you still plan to make a tier list for AWBW? It's pretty cool, but I find it difficult to understand the balance. Also, did you know you can play AW online using Steam's Remote Play Together feature?

[@KCzz15]

AWBW already has a tier list pretty much built into it, made by dozens of people who've played the game WAY too much.

[@yaboiskittlez7943]

New Challenge Idea: Can you beat Advance Wars without turning on the game?

[@Rad343]

That is a sweet, based thumbnail!

[@quirbiefe7544]

But are you able to fix Lash, Mangs?

[@MsLoquendo20]

I don't think you can defeat sturm withou andy....don't get me wrong,you need him,but to be the scapegoat that slowdowns all of sturm army during the first turns.

[@Posby95]

So how much cheaper should boats be? 25%? 33%? 50%? A flat reduction as in -4000, which Andy's Adventure has?

[@gicrueldad9520]

Anything not more expensive than Air units, considering even then they would probably rule the overall game. You sure the hack is Andy adventure? AW returns have kinda the same treatment to Naval units (but also reduces a little the cost of other units too).

[@Rui_Vuusen]

What's an airport? Never heard of her. Anyway here's cruiserwall

[@agreenshyguy449]

How much do you think Hawkes powers should cost?

[@Zack-gk1bt]

I'm kinda sad that bombers in Dual strike don't have the same death animation that they do in Advance wars 2, I always thought that 2's version was way better

[@odilazulixl5351]

Noice challenge would be the first mission of hard mode but delete the indirects.

[@Nightmare_52]

i always found it weird that the cruiser doesnt have firing sounds

[@megarotom1590]

Can you do the same for Drakes battle against hawkes Air Force (aka without ground units)

[@anonyme4881]

Each time I saw naval units in AW my eyes hurt from how bad they are.... Look at that Cruiser, 3 times pricer and weaker than an Anti-air

[@heroicvileplume7184]

Do normal mode Final Front (final battle of AW2) with Sonja, Olaf, and Drake lol

[@Xertaron.]

Can you beat AC Rivals! without losing your sanity?

[@henke37]

Hmm, try going for "ran out of fuel" in the first mission?