Can you beat Mother 3 without using PSI or items?

[@pippishortstalking8349]

For Mother 3 being such a story driven game, it has a really fun battle system

[@Lightpaladin720]

Yeah, I like the combo mechanic where you can combo attack if you press a at the same time a beat happens

[@Number_27]

@Ordinary Trans Girl Yeah like the first 2 Paper Mario games

[@ewakosiorska5839]

Youre goddamn right

[@xChaotic]

I totally agree

[@ChickenNugget7]

@@Number_27 and then there is super paper Mario that ditches the great battle system for the best story Mario has to offer

[@raphael.cavalcanti3301]

The real question is Can you beat Mother 3 without crying?

[@WillowFaded]

As of my run (near the end of ch. 7 it sadly isn’t possible)

[@329link]

Why is it that I'm the kind of person who gets so emotional that I cry when I'm mad, yet this game and similar ones simply don't get my tears going? It's not like I'm disconnected or anything, I still get immersed and feel terrible for poor lucas and co.

[@TheBreezeMan954]

“No crying till the end” Me who can’t beat the stupid drago in chapter 1

[@koliaYT]

I did it twice.

[@kitma9]

@@329link maybe you might have been spoiled before? that always ruins the emotional moments.

[@masterblaster38]

he forgot that in the part with salsa he could had just defence all the time until fassad ends the fight

[@shoppingcart4174]

Yep, that would've been a better idea for me to do lol. I don't know why I didn't think about that. Oh well, adds more unnecessary challenge

[@kirbyfreakyt4695]

@@shoppingcart4174 Fassad usually activates the Punisherizer thing when you defend, instead of attacking. I feel like it adds a 20% chance for him to do that.

[@EluTran]

Wow, awesome to finally watch the finale of this trilogy of series. Mother 3 definitely seemed much easier and less painfully RNG compared to the others. I figured it was impossible for the final boss but it was very awesome watching you document the entire experience with each of these games! Mother 3 is personally my favorite. Is it even possible for the Masked Man to miss in the final battle? It didn’t seem so but if so, it could be possible with enough RNG manipulation but that sounds way too tedious. lol

[@shoppingcart4174]

This was actually the first time I replayed Mother 3 in a long time. Now that I replayed it, I forgot how good the game was. For the Masked Man fight, I actually never thought about RNG manipulation to make him miss. However, if I can recall my several attempts of fighting, I don't think Masked Man can miss. Additionally, PSI will never miss, so the moment he uses PSI Cum omega, it's pretty much game over at that point. I don't think I would be able to quickly get through the whole battle without having Lucas's HP roll down to 0 first.

[@EluTran]

@@shoppingcart4174 Ahh, true. Thanks for the response, that makes sense!

[@aheadsounds2522]

@@shoppingcart4174 guarding may help because your hp will decrease slower

[@shoppingcart4174]

@@aheadsounds2522 Yep. I learned that by the time I got up to Masked Man. It would've been better to keep one person guarding the whole time in a difficult fight, such as the Barrier trio at the end of their battle.

[@lebron_james_hairline]

@@shoppingcart4174 Technically, a non psi run is possible since u have healing items that can heal u all the way up. Similarly, a non item run coul possible but since u need to use the drago knife from the beginning there needs to be an exception. Do mementos count as an item since u don't use them but they are used automatically? Great video btw

[@BowlofStardust]

*Duster refuses to bite the dust*

[@cultofmrozinski368]

Bites the er.

[@majoravideos4393]

11:46 I can't say I wasn't expecting that

[@mattsludge]

literally the same joke every single time

[@unclegarf7366]

Flint with his cowboy strength beats up a dinosaur with his bare hands

[@Jim_the_guy]

This turned from a exp grind to a everyone's health is running on a timer challenge

[@mek2472]

The beauty of earthbound and mother 3 hp bars. Man more games should make something similar to it

[@GardenGD]

That thumbnail is pure art

[@shoppingcart4174]

I was planning to add the "uh oh stinky" monkey and woody from toy story for Salsa and Flint, but I thought it would be too much.

[@OkayOctowave]

Charles Manson is the reason why I clicked on the video lol

[@BluShiGuy]

How did you decide on using Chie in the thumbnail for KUMAtora

[@seg162]

@@BluShiGuy Because they're both tomboyish psychic bruisers, I presume.

[@MrGoof-if8rb]

For the final boss, the Masked Man actually has a very low chance of missing his attacks, so if you were to save state your way through the fight and get good RNG you might be able to beat it without healing.

[@deadassbird3763]

that would take almost a day with normal luck

[@burghelyaficionado9567]

I don’t think any GBA emulators have save states.

[@AlexSpherebob]

@@burghelyaficionado9567 they do have them

[@burghelyaficionado9567]

@@AlexSpherebob I mean, i've only ever used like one GBA emulator. As a wise Mic-Spamming Russian Human Tank with a mini-gun once said, "Eh, Whateva."

[@noti7510]

@@burghelyaficionado9567 how can I say "epic reference, funny man" without making a stupid youtube comment and telling everyone else?

[@gerardoramirezcazares1009]

I still can't overcome the end of that game I always cry with it

[@sweetwheatsy]

Same, I really had to focus all my energy to focus on the challenge not to get emotional

[@aheadsounds2522]

Me who just got annoyed with the final boss No u i will just spam guard because this is annoying

[@danijordan8523]

True

[@theheckler399]

yeh

[@The_WumboTM]

8:00 “can a monkey, a salesman, and an orphan destroy a tank with their bare hands?” The answer is yes.

[@kirbyfreakyt4695]

"Power welled deep in Lucas' heart! Because it's the final boss, Lucas was allowed to use PSI for one turn!" *Lifeup gamma

[@WillowFaded]

For a shopping cart your pretty good at mom 3

[@КостяКиндалюк]

27:11 Magypsies Memento! It can't be used by "Goods", it uses itself when you are fainted. This doesn't collapse with rules because... because the only rule about items - "YOU can't use it", when Memento uses itself, not you directly). Also it is strange that you didn't use Defend option in Salsa's first boss battle. There's no rule "no defending" and Salsa is dealing 0 damage comparing to Fassad, but defending gives Salsa much more time to stand alive(about 2 times), when by attacking Salsa speeds up beating Cactus Wolf up by a little bit(like by 2%).

[@koliaYT]

Опа русский фанат Mother 3!

[@jslb]

I equipped every one of those expecting porky to murder me and they ended up saving that claus battle

[@mario-nk7be]

The hard part would be preserving them until that point, because even the one without the fancy name is before master porky and i think the natural killer cyborg

[@КостяКиндалюк]

@@mario-nk7be Are you talking about Mementos? You get, as I remember, 6 or 7 Mementos. He was stopped by Masked Man, the final boss. I think 4-5 mementos would let him outlast Masked Man.

[@AshuroBR]

​​@@mario-nk7beYou do realise that you can store the Mementos in the Item Guy, right? It's easy to just run from the enemies and store one of them to end the game, since just one full heals him and that's enough to end the Masked Man fight. And you get an Item Guy after the defeat of Porky down the ladders.

[@ConsumedByRainbows]

I genuinely take pride in how well I can execute 16-hits in battle. I return to Mother 3 every couple of months just because the battle system is so fun, and the music slaps hard.

[@wolfetteplays8894]

@Guilherme Reis practice drumming

[@Testling172]

Slaps harder than Kumatora

[@CyFi5]

Him: is on level 52 in the beginning Me who is still on level 42: -_-

[@blacktainfalcon7097]

That thumbnail is its own story

[@AdmiralSloth]

Honestly. Never thought I'd see Chie, Charles Manson, And Linus in one picture.

[@theheckler399]

lmao it's kinda hilarious when you consider the fact that the final boss's objective is literally to just survive until it ends (before you inevitably die emotionally anyways)

[@LilacMonarch]

That's how all of the series final bosses are. Survive until you can finish singing, survive until you can finish praying, survive until you can finish...staring at claus?

[@diggyrobinson5859]

Survive until you cry

[@Victini415]

The _very moment_ I saw the title, my immediate thought was "That Pork Boss guy from Chapter 5 is gonna fuck your shit up". ...And then I remembered that this is an RPG game filled with EXP bags waiting to be opened. Good to know the -Pillar Men- -Column Fellows- -Kars and the Juicy Bois- Barrier Trio is still a challenge, though.

[@ShiftyGuy777]

If only Flint stayed in your party.

[@Aarantula]

Just got through watching all of the Mother challenges you did. This was thoroughly entertaining.

[@Omeg1]

God damn the text is so nostalgic it looks straight out of a tutorial from 2010!

[@shoppingcart4174]

I don't have the voice to make it sound entertaining with voiceovers, and I don't feel like recording, so 2010 text it is

[@hopelessamaturerougeofhope4399]

Duster was literally a ex machina for most of the fights

[@spore4ever91]

The fact that Mother games let you pull this (thanks to the scrolling health mechanic) is super cool.

[@Framp]

This guy makes the entire party hit the gym

[@largemarge2098]

alt title 2 kids, a thief, and a dog beat animals and robots to death while bleeding out

[@reviewspiteras]

Great thumbnail Interesting video Fun execution This is the type of mother content i live for

[@sweetwheatsy]

I had to ignore all in-game text in the final battle and only focus on your messages to avoid getting the feels

[@Astral161]

It doesn't matter what the context is, I literally cannot watch that last fight without crying.... Good series regardless tho :')

[@Prehistoricninten]

Fun fact: this challenge could be possible, while you were grinding the beanlings you should have saved just before Lucas and bones leveled up, since the amounts of stats gained is a bit random, so you could keep resetting for the best stat increasing

[@sweetwheatsy]

It actually seemed like the ones that caused you the most trouble were the ones that were hard to combo/you didn't do it as much. It's a neat system as it can definitely help a lot.

[@LilacMonarch]

not necessarily, comboing is slow so it actually makes things worse if you're taking mortal damage

[@SonicTheCutehog]

Technically, it would be impossible to win the Mecha-Drago fight without using items as the Drago Fang is an item.

[@wolfetteplays8894]

You can still damage the mecha drago, it ain’t invincible

[@SonicTheCutehog]

@@wolfetteplays8894 Yeah, but you can only deal 1 damage to it for every attack.

[@somethingtheoneandonly]

​@@SonicTheCutehogBut it IS possible. I've seen a video of somebody doing it without the fang, on level 5

[@ezscuizee4142]

People find Mother 3 so easy that they are doing challenge runs of it, meanwhile here I am trying to get past Oh-So Snake in Osohe Castle

[@sphereoffice7789]

Spam PK Thunder, Lower his defense, maybe use sprinting bombs if you have some and Grind untill your party members are level 17+ Also, heal if you have to.

[@unquestionableexistance8704]

At that point You can't get past Jealous Bass

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

The Jealous Bass, the Pillar Men, Masked Man in the first battle, and Mr. Fassad (both New and Miracle) takes forever to beat.

[@andygiraldo7898]

​@@poweroffriendship2.0 Miracle's easy

[@MaskedManFanboy]

Did you beat the Oh-So-Snake?

[@ImCrowned76]

As soon as this popped up in my recommended, I read the title and knew it wasn’t possible with the masked man battle. I will say that its insane how long you can pull through with guarding.

[@drip7797]

I am a simple man. I see a Persona character, I click.

[@deadassbird3763]

Ah that moment when a dog has more IQ than you

[@teleportsbehindyou6580]

I remember fighting the barrier trio without kumatora because I didnt know how to get her...

[@mannyheffley5481]

Nice challenge there, mind if I do it?

[@Flamsterette]

HAHAHA

[@The93195]

rookie mistake

[@kirbyfreakyt4695]

Hey, new idea for this type of thing: Mother game WITHOUT using bash. You can use PSI and Items, and Run or Guard if you need to, but doing it without anything Physical, including Thief Tools, Brute Force, etc. As someone who practically exclusively played Mother 3 with Bash unless I needed to do otherwise, this would be a tough challenge for me.

[@shoppingcart4174]

That was something I was debating on. It could be an interesting idea. It could be most doable for Earthbound. If I get bored and want to do another challenge, I could try that.

[@kirbyfreakyt4695]

@@shoppingcart4174 Mother 3 also seems possible without physical attacks... but also seems a lot harder. Certainly sounds fun, but... it also solves an early game problem that Earthbound doesn't: WHAT DO YOU DO BEFORE YOU CAN USE PSI? Just RUN? Over, and over again? What if it was PSI and Items ONLY as a run? Mother 3 solves this by going "But what if Thunder Bomb spam?" Which is actually a LOT of fun. Thunder bombs, long after they start doing half your Bash damage output, can be useful for paralyzing opponents and I usually grab about 100 of them to store. The hardest part imo is Duster's travel through the castle and getting Kumatora. You practically have to NOT GRIND AT ALL in the castle to have enough explosives to take down the snake, and don't get me started on how long getting past the caribou would take... But after that, it is SMOOTH SAILING. Load Boney up with good food items and once he rejoins the party load up Lucas with most of the food and give Thunder Bombs to both of them to use until Lucas gets Love a. ALSO! Since you can have Equippable items! This opens up the venue for the Mystical Shoes to be useful due to their Speed increase, since you won't be needing any better items for damage (Except the Good Shoes, I believe...? Unless they have half the Speed boost like I'm remembering) And then, obviously, the Mystical Stick will be useful for Lucas "Here, let me heal you. Okay the time is now, go! Wait... that's not the right direction where are you going"

[@awildfurret]

Ngl, your content is amazing and interesting

[@YoloYester94]

Man really said his favorite food was dogshit 😂

[@nightfrenzyow1499]

Oh man, this challenge is definitely nightmare fuel of one of my favorite games, congrats on "beating" it! You deserve more subs.

[@astralbirthvoid0]

The whole party is dead but the pose was so beautiful that Lucas temporarly lived just to see it anyway.

[@bobgaming4466]

10:40 Pk....What?...

[@AnggeloMaidana]

Even Claus can use PK 10:40

[@AnggeloMaidana]

Lucas is dying and cannot fight The masked man:26:05

[@DanaTheNintendoLoverGirl2011]

25:18 So, The Masked Man Is Very Tough Because Only Lucas Can Defeat The Masked Man Before The Masked Man Turns Back Into Claus! 😢

[@thebest_atgames4177]

Wow the dedication of this project like level 80 just for masked man wow u go shoppping kart

[@JoanBros11]

this video should have more than 240 views, this is hard work

[@FreshMint155]

20:00 "I rely on luck with this guy" The guy in question: *Immediately crits the most useful ally*

[@Vivythebadgirl]

can you beat mother 3 without being killed by the nintendo ninja

[@elicenyne]

CHIE FROM CHIE?!?!?!?!

[@FreshMint155]

27:18 Average elevator waiting time at hospitals

[@thefreshbluebird]

I thought this was a persona 4 vid but I looked at the title

[@PAAF2005]

14:50 So... That was Claus's instrument?

[@brockpiano]

400 subscribers? Only 400? You deserve 400K for all this effort.

[@e2011ugdia]

0:36 but then you can't beat the game due to the masked man needing to be killed with the franklin badge

[@Streetcleanergaming]

Great video to watch while grinding for the awesome cape!

[@jenoyt1337]

At least you answered 3 questions that no one would put time and effort into

[@shoppingcart4174]

Yep, I pretty much did the most difficult challenges I could think of for the Mother series. The only thing harder I can think of is like apply the same rules, but you can only play as Paula and everyone else stays dead, which based on what I experienced, might be impossible, or just too tedious that it's not worth doing. For Earthbound at least, it COULD be possible to do a PSI only run. Though I'm not sure if I'm ever going to do that.

[@vawoooo7946]

29:07 though if you had a strong enough healing item you could still end this run without using psi

[@TGH4]

this channel is underrated

[@PrincessColumbidae]

I wonder if the final battle would be possible TAS

[@mannyheffley5481]

Good idea! I might path that

[@aheadsounds2522]

Attacking actually slows down the dioloage as life's mother will tell them to stop fighting

[@bobosmith101]

Chie technically can fulfill Kumatora AND Duster so 3:13 So you didn't use the knife?

[@thatguythatdrawzz749]

Now we shall wait for the mother:cogdiss video

[@burkerkink3646]

14:20 bro what happened to kumatora's mouth

[@NobodyYKIN]

🗣️

[@alejandroenrique5128]

Actually, guarding count as the raw strength of the characters because they don't use any items to guard

[@shoppingcart4174]

That's true. I wonder what my gameplay runs would've looked like if I utilized it more often since they could've been helpful at times.

[@lynxunemuon]

AKA how long can you last grinding levels in Mother 3

[@NeonValkyrieGaming]

Chie as kumatora fits pretty well TBH imma use that next time I play

[@definitelynotascammer]

I opened the battle with nk cyborg by accident using save state so i gave up and just used bash until it was just licas and said "ya know what im gonna try" used refresh be accident restored everyone and started hammering away with psi and won That made it he most intence battle i've ever fpught in mother 3 so far Though i havent beat porkeys porkies

[@bumblerinteractive1554]

Thumbnail goes hard

[@smurfdadlol9135]

the thumbnail lmao

[@MrPlayerOneP1]

Well, to be fair, i completed the game without PSI in hard mode. Does that count? 14:59 Wait. PK WHAT???

[@shoppingcart4174]

I am not sure what Hard Mode is like for Mother 3, but I think doing it without PSI is a good challenge, so good job! When I first did the Earthbound challenge, at first I was going to do a no PSI challenge, but then I thought "If I'm not using PSI, I'm just going to buy a lot of healing items, which ruins the point of the challenge". So I restricted that, but then thought about how much damage these characters could do, and thought fuck it, no equipment either. And that's how these Mother/Earthbound challenges started. And yes, that is PK Cum

[@MrPlayerOneP1]

@@shoppingcart4174 well, let me explain that: in the english translation if you name yourself "Hard Mode" at the prayer sanctuary (chapter 1) the enemies (and some bosses) will have double HP so this is a pretty cool Challenge if you wan to try it. PD: yeah I saw your earthbound no psi or item video and DAAAAMM i don't know how you did it. That's insane 👍🏻 (Sorry for my bad English)

[@shirohimayumikira234]

@@shoppingcart4174 Excuse me wHAT WHAT EVEN IS THAT *GOD DAMN PSI NA-* Good video BTW.

[@FullmetalBrothelhood]

I did not know that the black beanling was a thing

[@shoppingcart4174]

12 year old me upon finding it was like the best thing ever. I was trying to grind EXP from the slitherhens and flying mice, then I saw a small black smudge and thought "da fuck is that?" Then searched it up, and realized what it can do. I feel it is kind of fucked up because it's like, I can't play Mother 3 anymore without fighting the black beanling. There is nothing stopping me from earning so much EXP.

[@Natah_DN]

Same.

[@zaidhernandez4601]

11:50 perfect

[@willycheez7218]

I knew the second Masked Man fight would be an impenetrable brick wall

[@theheckler399]

ironic given how it's objective is literally just to survive, which is hard to do without any healing

[@Flamsterette]

@@theheckler399 Its, not it's.

[@FreshMint155]

3:50 I started this game three days ago. EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED (I will never recover my trauma from TREES)

[@potatowarrior7851]

Great job. Keep up the good content

[@alejandroenrique5128]

I was really waiting for this

[@Lightpaladin720]

My favorite game of the trio

[@adelinehaley9428]

10:41 Oh not again

[@Nixqtis]

1:06 mmmmmyes my favorite food... d o g s h i t

[@Duckarefun101]

I know there's a no item run, but I'm curious. Maybe you can have your favorite food? I mean, it's canon that you do receive your favorite food since your mom makes it for you, and I do believe at one point in the game you do receive your favorite food item. So, wouldn't it be feasable that you could use that in place of PSI healing? Or maybe a TAS bot could perfect quickly switching to guard after each attack?

[@shoppingcart4174]

In terms of favorite food, the only time you eat it is at the beginning of the game during a cutscene with Hinawa. There is no actual item in game. In fact, it was actually planned to be an item, but remains unused in the game. It can be accessed by debugging. Either way, I was never going to use it. I named Lucas's favorite "Dogshit", so I definitely think it's a bad idea for him to eat it in this challenge.

[@Duckarefun101]

@@shoppingcart4174 That's a good point. I forgot about that. Maybe it's worth TAS-ing but the battle is still way too long

[@someone.8878]

imagine if he did a hard mode run p.s.: im aware you won't

[@youtubesmoments6775]

I mean, theres always that game in development called Oddity. That game was technically going to be called "mother 4".

[@shoppingcart4174]

Yep, I have heard of it. I will play that game when it comes it.

[@giang.1523]

11:46 jojo ref doesn't mess around

[@sukelwashere]

alt title: mother 3 but no one is special

[@nomorechqnnel]

These videos are amazing, you should do this for mother 4 and oddity when they come out

[@nomorechqnnel]

7:41 1 HP wow…

[@mineoshua4008]

Help im stuck on fassad in the sewers

[@shoppingcart4174]

If you're doing a regular run, do exactly as I did, except actually have items equipped, and use PSI Lifeup when possible. If you're trying to do the same run as me, just keep gaining a fuckton of levels.

[@allahu-s2h]

hi adachi

[@MrBuinhubinh]

13:22 damn

[@crystalking2468]

ive been looking forward to this

[@ianian4162]

Wait, it's all a Jojo Reference? You were expecting an afterthought, but it was I, DIO!

[@robertlupa8273]

Good question.

[@BobafromPoland]

This video feels like its from 2012

[@niilyx_]

you made this waaaay harder than it needed to be (no special abilities? really?)

[@IsadIsaac]

He put his favorite food as dogshit🤣🤣🤣

[@cjflash4002]

I think it really is possible. Doesn't Masked Man have a reflectable electric attack? So if you got REALLY "lucky," then the only points at which you would take damage are the PSI attacks. Your HP would have more time to scroll, but I'm not sure how much time that buys... Yet I think it can be done.

[@shoppingcart4174]

That is true though during the final Masked Man fight, he can use lightning, but it only works in certain conditions. He will never use the lightning attack if you fight him normally. However, if you revive another party member, he will use the lightning to instantly kill that member. This will also affect Lucas, causing him to reflect the lightning back at Masked Man and take no damage. The problem is that in order to revive a party member, you need to use a reviving item, which is not allowed in this run. There was actually a video in which someone attempts to defeat Masked Man by constantly reflecting the lighting using reviving items, but then it causes the memory sequences to play much earlier to prevent you from actually killing Masked Man yourself.

[@cjflash4002]

@@shoppingcart4174 darn. yeah then its probably impossible, that sucks

[@cjflash4002]

@@shoppingcart4174 Oh wait, there is the chance he misses, is that totally RNG-based or is conditional?

[@shoppingcart4174]

@@cjflash4002 From the numerous times I fought Masked Man, I don't think he ever misses. That is being said for his regular attacks. All PSI can never miss in Mother 3, so even if it were possible to use RNG manip to dodge all his regular attacks, I'm always going to die to PSI Cum omega. It is scripted so that he will always use that attack after a couple of turns in. Even with guarding, there is still too much time that needs to pass before Masked Man gives up.

[@cjflash4002]

I guess the TAS luck stuff takes the fun out of a run like this anyways, thanks for replying and going through a challenge like this.

[@futlettuce1477]

Him in chapter 4 is higher level then me in fire mountain

[@bubbus8821]

10:40 Nobody: Nintendo: yeah let’s make (insert dirty joke here) as an attack the character can use.

[@bubbus8821]

No, seriously. Why is it called that?!

[@Mid940]

@@bubbus8821 So we can obliterated the enemies before they see it *coming* 💀

[@majora_03]

@@bubbus8821this comment is a year old but im just letting u know that u get to decide the name of the attack.. like at the start of ththe game it asks for ur favourite thing and whatever u set as ur favourite thing will be the name of the attack

[@MaskedManFanboy]

...that's the name they chose as their favorite thing. This PSI is named after what you pick as your favorite thing.

[@bubbus8821]

@@majora_03 damn.

[@bluetophatanimations]

Me: *sees 1 on recommenations* Me: INTSA CLICK. Edit: holy shhh im actually the first one to view Edit 2: I clicked because im a mother fan- EDIT AFTER A YEAR OR MAYBE 2: HAPPY early 2023

[@lebean4159]

Happy 2021 and thanks for the reply!