Can You Beat Persona 4 Golden Without The Protagonist?

[@MagicMarcos]

Of course y’all get this to 2k likes the moment I quit making Persona content 😑

[@DusanStevanovic-sg6jw]

lol

[@bakajanai.]

To be fair. I'd be mad if a party member wasted an important consumable when acting freely

[@watchrandomuser395onyoutube]

Ah man everyone’s pretty low so i should use a soma

[@tyler_liwan5]

Fair

[@kurosan9712]

Except they dont use YOUR consumables. They're usually using medicines and other low lv stuff.

[@MrPoop9000]

Just look at Kingdom Hearts, where Donald and Goofy shove every single consumable item you give them down your throat if you get the tiniest of booboos

[@TeemoQuinton]

@Kuro Shirai and are those medicines and low levels in the inventory or from the aether

[@dominondsdsd]

Imagine fighting like that. Your "leader" tells you to act frealy, while he does nothing and screams at you for not acting out his plan that he didn't told you about. nice chelange, despite being mostly luck

[@TheMasterUnity]

I think they were secretly relieved when that lunatic was on the train home

[@lordofcringe6396]

25:56 if your about to get crit, remember just say no. An enemy can’t crit you without your consent.

[@tyler_liwan5]

Noted, I will always remember that.

[@BobBillans]

Yu casually stands in the corner eating peach seeds while yelling at his friends for being idiots.

[@jatabo1574]

"Why the frick am I even punishing myself for something I am not even doing?" An apt description for real life.

[@madbrosheo1514]

Does nothing the whole year, and then decides to take all the credit at the very end. Yu, you absolute cabbage.

[@glowy3068]

Having done a run where I don't use direct commands, I could never imagine setting them to act freely. IMO act freely is the worst of the commands. Ranges for the AI healing felt much more consistent on Full Assault and Heal/Support then on Act Freely. Act Freely just felt like the AI was throwing darts. IMO the most hype part of my run was Kanji dodging two Nihil Hands in a row. He's a real trooper.

[@robo1513]

Kanji's the GOAT 🔥🔥🔥

[@NitsuaGamer]

Oh I'm laughing so hard rewatching the Shadow Yukiko fight (I'm actually also tearing up). I remember how intense it was when you were doing it and how so into it you were. That was a crap ton of luck! So glad you included your reaction in the final video!

[@costby1105]

28:43 It is actually fair that Mituo's hero form gets two attack per turn; Your part still has the advantage as your party normally gets four. By action economy standards you still have the advantage simply because you party can do more things in a turn.

[@navi5661]

I think the reason changing tactics "did nothing" was entirely because it was early game. At that point, the party's spells and physical skills essentially do the same amount of damage, so they can't really priortize anything. As for why the other tactics didn't work, I'd guess that numbers are so low across the board (hp, defense, heals, damage, etc) that the ai got confused about where the danger zone was, or had an extremely specific range. Losing 50% health early game vs late game is a world of difference. But yeah, the reason Yukiko will regular attack, party members will refuse to heal, and Yosuke will go for Makajam is entirely because "Act Freely" essentially tells the AI "click whatever buttons you want, just vaguely try to win" whereas other tactics would let them prioritize their most damaging moves and whatnot

[@Ballsinyaface_89]

bro struggled so hard, gotta give it to him for completing this challenge

[@goldenboxen6430]

marco: if you care about curing cancer use magic skills the party: how is that our problem?

[@carlosedu05]

You must really love a game to do challenges like this. Or be some kind of masochist hahaha. Either way, mad respect, the video was genuinely funny, hope you channel grows more and more.

[@RosyMiranto]

Congratulations for finally finishing this rigorous run. We all learned a lot if the AIs in Persona from this, isn't it

[@pokemonduck]

P4 party AI is notoriously bad so thank you for your sacrifice

[@Flutterdark_]

so watching the video i was surprised to see teddie not immediately in the main party. the dude is a 2nd healer in a run where the only way to heal or res is if its in the skillset. energy shower aside.

[@Pegyson]

Party memebers need to be set to act freely Should've called it Can Persona 4 beat itself

[@LittleMissZackyVee]

never saw a more intense bit of masochism XD was still very entertaining!

[@relaxedlad821]

bro this is basically Nitsuagamers "P5r doing nothing" just WAY WORSE god damn bro idk how you persona tubers put yourself through this but hella props

[@NitsuaGamer]

Way Worse? Heck no! I'm envious Marcos here can do social links, use items outside of battle, change equipment/personas, use the Velvet Room, and do movie theater trips. The point of the P5R Doing Nothing Run is to have no control over anything. Marco's run here, he can do anything as long as it's outside of battle. MagicMarcos has it far easier. This is less insane and sanity draining. The Doing Nothing Run was literal torture that still gives me PTSD just by running down the hallways I grinded in.

[@JohnRuth-qg5gp]

One of the only persona fan that can do pushups

[@adriajenie6617]

MINOR SPOILERS IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE PLOT. I have a challenge run idea if you're interested: it's basically a supporting protagonist run with an addition. You have to play with specific party members, as in randomly chosen (like on a wheel). The three members you get on the wheel will be your party for the whole game. Because of the fact you get party members slowly over persona games, I have two comprise ideas; one, just in case you have to spin the wheel again to have a bonus member (especially) in the event your chosen members just happen to be late-game members (also in the case of P3 and P5, where because of the plot some members may become unavailable (eg Junpei getting kidnaped and Morgana temporary leaving). there's also that case in 3 where Yukari joins regardless in a certain boss fight. My second comprise, you start the challenge regarding the party after the first dungeon when you have at least 4 available options of party members. Now about the supporting protagonist, basically the protagonist is only allowed to de/buff, heal, ailment... items included. But no attacking. (admittingly this is an issue in scripted solo battles, eg Joker in Sae and Shido's palace. But I am aware of Tetrakarn and magic mirrors. Also, I will allow an item attack if that doesn't work. NB. this is in regard to the protag. not the members, they can do anything) Admittingly I just realized this is a lot to take. I just want to share my idea with someone, and I haven't seen a support run to a persona game as yet. Since this is a lot if you're interested in the idea you can edit what you want from it. But NO ACT FREELY. I didn't have a specific game in mind so you're free to choose there. That's all. Please rest I know this run must have been torture. And I'm 7 days late. Peace.

[@kichiroumitsurugi4363]

P3 is manageable with a support MC - you basically reroll until you can have Mitsuru and Aki in the party P4G...same deal, just hope you get Kanji, ans Izanagi has a good enough support kit that Teddie is not required, and neither is Yukiko P5R...Same deal as with 4G

[@rac1equalsbestgame853]

Congrants for managing this run with with the worst party AI in the franchise, looking forward to see you do this with P5, especially Vanilla

[@killprecnt3702]

Man loses his mind screaming at ai

[@coldcole9343]

I been waiting for this 😭💯🔥🔥🔥

[@ventusse]

And I've read this in Akihiko's voice.

[@malcolmlee7875]

I’ve got a huge project due tomorrow I haven’t started, but I can put it off for another hour👍

[@apencil5147]

Found this channel was excited to see what he is up to now. Last upload was a year ago, damn 😢. Hope you are having fun with the mario rpg’s!

[@TotallySearch]

I like how he just acts like he wasn't gone for 6 months

[@Lordxzamasu]

So naoto pretty much becomes the MC

[@emilrossi953]

dude i hope you gave at least a sub to that Matija stefanek guy because he literally carried

[@lol-2247]

this is where the fun begins.

[@tyler_liwan5]

Yu: Sit back, sip a latte and watch the pain Me: I mean, you aren't telling them what to do!!!

[@Mitsunee_]

This is certainly one of the videos of all time

[@patrickkwon3351]

free exercise ! } absolute banger btw

[@mayborneflower]

28:31 - Based reference, poor Hikaru though

[@lolkek6807]

Did they “nerf” tactics from P3? I mean, P4 is on the same engine and even uses same assets as P3. And in P3 tactics DID matter, they changed the behaviour of AI significantly. Don’t tell me they decided not just copy paste it, but just make new worse version of tactics? Maybe you didn’t understand the tactics mechanic? Sorry, it is just hard to believe that they could just copy paste already good tactics from P3 and decided not to do it and instead make in worse.

[@MagicMarcos]

Yeah it’s kinda hard to believe so too, but we’ve tried on stream, and changing tactics doesn’t make the AI’s any smarter.

[@lolkek6807]

@@MagicMarcosthat’s crazy, but I think in P5 they made it great again. Atlus never disappoints, bad AI in p4, P5X instead P6…….

[@daiyahigashikata]

​@@lolkek6807atlus isn't making p5x lmao it's not their decision

[@lolkek6807]

@@daiyahigashikata Yeah, they are not making it, but it is their decision, Persona is their IP.

[@daiyahigashikata]

@@lolkek6807 they're not making it *instead* of p6 though. it has nothing to do with them other than supervising it.

[@himasekiwari155]

This is Persona 4 Yosuke edition This is why he second leader and brosuke XD

[@SonicTheCutehog]

Wow, they really gutted the AI for Persona 4 even though it's built off of Persona 3.

[@Dragonboy55564]

Teddie is the best healer in the game though? Why didn't you think to use him lol. Also getting rid of Amrita was a massive misplay, it doesn't require RNG unlike the partner status heal. Also, I think their AI is dependent on their SP percentage as well. Maybe Full Assault removes their SP thresholds that would exist on Conserve SP and maybe act freely even if they don't use items on any mode. It also looks like the AI chooses one teammate as the dedicated healer each turn.

[@MagicMarcos]

When I first got him, Yukiko was a more better healer because at the time because of the divine grace ability, but that didn’t matter anymore once I got mediarahan for both healers.

[@Whisper71]

Getting rid of Fire Boost is actually the right course of action, because there are accessories that boost Fire damage by 40% and 50%, but only two boosts are allowed and skills take priority, and Fire Boost would prevent those accessories from working for just 25%.

[@kichiroumitsurugi4363]

Pointless either way - just stack Fire Boost and Amp

[@Whisper71]

@@kichiroumitsurugi4363 i mean yeah, it will be sufficient enough for almost everyone, but using ditching boost makes another skill slot free and allows you to stack amp and amp

[@kichiroumitsurugi4363]

@@Whisper71 I don't think that's how it works. In fact, it absolutely shouldn't work because the Fire Amp accessory basically just gives you the same passive as Fire Amp itself, so they shouldn't be able to stack

[@Whisper71]

@@kichiroumitsurugi4363 i have thought so to and haven't tested it out yet, but the majority of people online said it works. and even then, there's still the 40% boost accessory.

[@kichiroumitsurugi4363]

@Whisper71 How long ago were those people's claims. If they're really old ones, they're likely based on misconceptions because that's kinda how it goes for old Persona games

[@gabrielcalderon6715]

Hehehehe i loved when my comment show up about the invigorate items, sorry i didnt mean to show up my luck i was just playing and yeah yousuke,yukiko and teddie make the best magic party due their boost and amps skills

[@Flutterdark_]

Sooooo. this is just a suspicion from watching all the mitsuo footage. but could it be that, if the ai has a heal skill, they dont use their sp once they hit half? im unsure if its healing dependant but it feels like that.

[@bubbletea_]

so there are some small differences between the AI settings. i've beaten the game without direct commands before. heal/support makes the healing threshold more generous and they'll use status healing skills like amrita or energy shower sooner. they pretty much never use buffs/debuffs from what i can tell. on full assault, the AI seems to favor physical skills for some reason. the name of the tactic is also a lie because sometimes they'll still decide to heal anyway when someone is in critical health. conserve sp basically just makes it so that they stop using their sp once they're around half or less. before that point though, they'll use it about the same as any other tactic. tl;dr - chad p3 AI > virgn p4 AI

[@QueenOfPessimism]

I saw someone else do this exact challenge (can’t remember who??) and I’m pretty sure they also had to over level quite a bit to get thru it. It’s almost comical how badly act freely is programmed 🤦🏾‍♀️

[@mittyclark]

Im doing my first run on this atm! Just got too nanakos dungeon and without spoilers just incase people dont know. Im very hesitant to beat ir 😢

[@kallixo]

2k likes time for the yelling comp

[@sfsreiq]

3:42 wait why did he rush? If he had just guarded, Yosuke could've used a physical skill and actually killed Shadow Chie. Am I missing something here?

[@MagicMarcos]

The Ai's don't guard.

[@sfsreiq]

@@MagicMarcosNot the AI, but the MC himself. Yosuke could still in theory go for a physical skill instead of a weak attack, and it could've saved to much headache.

[@killaclipse13]

I think not using naoto as a main memeber is a miss they’re amazing

[@dancarter5775]

Clearly this is someone who has never played the OG persona 4. I say this cause in the OG, Chie becomes basically useless after Rise's dungeon. In the OG, Chie gets no access to any Dyne level attacks, and has an awful Stat spread. For perspective, Teddie gets Bufudyne extremely early, along with mediarama, and his energy shower was made for the Mitsuo fight... And then when you finally get Naoto, she comes with Bufudyne as base kit... While Chie peaks with Mabufula....

[@tyler_liwan5]

I’m losing my mind watching brain-dead AI fail to beat Shadoe Mitsuo!

[@tyler_liwan5]

The suffering was real

[@akira5710]

The AI wasn't that bad in the original P4 for the PS2 from what I've seen. Did they remake the AI system from scratch for Golden because they couldn't just import P3's AI system due to the difference engines ?

[@MagicMarcos]

Never played vanilla so that could be a possibility

[@ultra-cat]

Difference in engines? I thought that Golden was also made on RenderWare

[@rac1equalsbestgame853]

Yeah, from what I have seen online of the PS2 original the AI acted like Act Freely P3 AI which while stupid to say the least Act Freely FES AI is WAY smarter than the AI in Golden

[@shelbybayer200]

Quick Answer: No, Narukami has to make the final blow to Izanami to beat the game You may think it doesn't count but YOU the player still has to Trigger the Attack

[@ImfernusRizen]

He said in the video that moments where playing the protag is mandatory doesn't count for the playthrough

[@Jolynesimpnumber4]

Now do it with Yosuke only.

[@CrimsonWar5]

Those push ups didn't count buddy

[@stokeyarcanum5754]

Isnt...isn't this obvious? Only the protagonist can summon izanagi-no-okami and use myriad truths, so isn't the answer no?

[@ImfernusRizen]

0:21

[@KJ-on6eg]

Pull ups 🔥

[@caze47]

now fight margaret

[@muratonuryilmaz5385]

What will be your next run? Also great video

[@MagicMarcos]

Got a Kingdom Hearts run ready to go once this vid hits the algorithm

[@poed75]

yosuke carry pog

[@aaron75fy]

short answer not without a mod

[@kallixo]

almost 2k likes...

[@philiphunt-bull5817]

I'm sorry, *why* are you using Act Freely???

[@MagicMarcos]

Watching the video has all the answers :)

[@philiphunt-bull5817]

@@MagicMarcos well if you do explain it somewhere in the video, I'm wondering why that explanation doesn't happen when the rule is stated at the beginning

[@philiphunt-bull5817]

@MagicMarcos okay, now that I've watched more of the video, I should clarify that what I was actually asking was why direct command is banned in this run.

[@MagicMarcos]

@@philiphunt-bull5817 I did a run where I beat this game with only the protag, so having controllable party members would just make this run too easy.

[@NitsuaGamer]

Because Direct Commands means Yu is giving commands to his party. Act Freely makes every move they make on them.

[@giwrgosmpartsiwkas9292]

You can but after you have the seconds character persona and the game wants you as yu to use izanagi in the tutorial if you mean not use the protagonist you can use all the personas except izanagi and izanagi o kami you cannot guard with yu and the protagonist cannot change with another character in the team so maybe there is but to do that you will need luck for the shadows and the bosses to not hit yu at all so good luck and have fun and if he dies you cannot use samarecarm on him you dont use him remember is a tough situation if the ai lock their attacks on yu and yu will take levels so the exp will be used on yu on every regard you cannot buy gear or weapons at all not use the confidants and the social links if you do you will use yu remember and the personas you will use will be through yu so bye bye fusion yu cannot attack either meaning no usage of him at all he will only exist nothing else like a doll useless

[@oof5992]

Wheres the complaining video

[@kurosan9712]

As a fact - you can. In the The Crapolden. Try original ps2, then you most likely cant and it'll be a real challenge

[@daiyahigashikata]

what's with all these persona fans hating p4g now? thought you guys loved p4g?

[@kurosan9712]

@@daiyahigashikata i never did, fyi I got it when it basically cost around 1500 yen on a sale, to get 2 for half price, since it fit the requirements I prefer original PS2 version the best. Crapolden is too zoomer

[@daiyahigashikata]

@@kurosan9712 what makes it "too zoomer" compared to the original? the story and gameplay are nearly identical.

[@kurosan9712]

@@daiyahigashikata that nearly is the problem. With new skills and stuff, the party becomes too strong, something like having lv100 Mewtwo right at professor Ookido's lab in Pokemon Pikachu ver. The Crapolden is too easy, and allows too much. Like not the player accepting the rules of the game, how it should normally be, but game accepting player's whines and making itself just a button press machine. Persona 4 was easy as it is, but the Crapolden made it basically an ebook reader.

[@daiyahigashikata]

@@kurosan9712 yeah, it's easy, but vanilla p4 is easy as shit too.

[@kain1799]

This video is just so. Are you sure you've played the game before. Like aren't the appeal of challenge runs like using a lot of game knowledge to push a game to it's limits and not like a blind run with a gimmick. Yes I know you've played 4 before.

[@kichiroumitsurugi4363]

P4G is just piss easy is all. The only way it will feel hard is if you're a masisvely bumbling idiot