Can you build with green lumber?

[@mikearmstrong7830]

Fellow was building a new house in South central Missouri. He explained that he wanted hardwood floors. Head carpenter said there's a top quality hardwood mill nearby. Owner said he had found a place in California with top quality flooring. He said the cost is significantly higher but determined that he wanted the best. The construction schedule was messed up for a month or so but the flooring finally got there. The head carpenter cut the first strap, turned the board over and saw the logo for the mill nearby. It cost so much because they had to ship to California and back. The owner didn't argue with the head carpenter any more about anything.

[@possabilitiesunited648]

I bet that head carpenter was you, wasn't it.

[@replyhere590]

As long as they pay, they can be as dumb as they please, huh?

[@sawyerswoodlandscapingllc243]

Said so well guys! I have countless conversations explaining drying, checking, natural beauty with my sawmilling and slabs. I am sharing this!!! I love the beauty of knowing the story of a house or pieces you get. Great to see yall!

[@JimsEquipmentShed]

I don't think kiln drying is required, but I DO think drying is required. When we built our place we allowed the milled wood to dry for almost a year before using it. Even then, the planks for the board and batton's still shrunk probably 1/4" per unit over the years. There will be shrinkage for sure, You just have to account for it, and move on. The boards we finished for our floors were installed much later, and were allowed to dry in our garage to four years, and another two weeks in the room they were to be used in.

[@NelsonImprovement]

Jesse and Alyssa, have you considered getting a 250-500 gallon fuel tank and having your gas delivered? It is pretty common practice on farms and in rural areas. The fuel doesn't cost any more either in my experience due to the volume being purchased. You could probably find a used tank or set of tanks pretty cheap on a farm sale/auction. Some gas barrels are even on a stand so that they can be gravity fed instead of needing to be pumped.

[@sheldonpenn1815]

I built a timber frame in 1997 out of Douglas fere. After we moved in at night it would make small noises as it settled. The frame was coated with linseed oil before rasing the frame. We also panted the the frame with one coat of mat varnish after completion of the house. Results some minor checking and seepage of sap.

[@ottercorporation]

Glad you made this a topic. When younger we didn't have much and used full round green spruce and fir trees as studs. That building is still standing, and those studs are straight as the day they were set. We also used the same for tripods, and those green trees were very strong.

[@thespook9808]

Jesse, reading the comments here justifies the video you made about comments from watchers. Gotta love "armchair builders." That said, I thought it was the very best short lecture I've heard about green lumber, and I've been working with wood all my life. Haters just gotta hate. . . "blow it off" and keep up the great work.

[@makingitthrough190]

Hi from Ontario. Many thanks for speaking so beautifully about this subject. What a wealth of "hard to get" information you have put out there. You communicate so clearly.

[@RDJim]

And now I know. Thanks Professor, you rattled that off like you really know your stuff.

[@onewhitestone]

I work with kiln dried lumber for furniture. The wood is kiln dried, but, once it is taken out of the kiln and placed in a building for storage, it can absorb moisture from the air. This is why we store our lumber inside where we can keep it dry er. Our purpose is to not have it crack or warp.

[@replyhere590]

Headly Lemar EMC!

[@pattysherwood7091]

This is so interesting! It is amazing to see a video which is informative. So many promise to show you something, but then you realize they have never done this before and they know nothing.

[@chadwynia5021]

FYI since you were searching for the primer and glue if you tape the Two bottles together you will never lose one.

[@petermartin8232]

Thanks Jessie, informative and interesting video. I am from England and we have timber frames still standing from the 13th century!

[@marianneoprisko7737]

Same here. I have always heard that the trees for timber frame are cut in the snow before the sap rises in the spring and left to dry in the forest. The visit you had to your source of cut trees was an eye opener. I thought he was providing you with logs from last year's cut not really fresh timber. The only ugly thing about wet wood is the sap is hard on blades, but you now know that. Whatever works for you.

[@LanceSheppard]

Here in the Appalachian mountains we have log houses 200+ years old they was built green and when the dry the notches tighten. Nothing like ol Virginia! Well southwest Virginia anyway!!!

[@AndTheCorrectAnswerIs]

Yes people have been using green timber framing for thousands of years...and yes, every timber framed structure I have ever been in is twisted and out of square. Jesse would make a great used car salesman. Being correct never gets in his way when he is talking.

[@JimmyShot]

AndTheCorrectAnswerIs spot on! Good grief he went on forever

[@tylerbyers9895]

Jessie! Your face when bugaboo interrupted you was priceless You also seemed way more calm once you gave in and pet bugaboo. He knew you needed his chill inducing magic touch. Hilarious

[@davewebb5737]

What you guys share is so interesting and educational at the same time right down to the pegs being made of oak never considered half of it thanks. X

[@Timoch1]

I'm from Germany and here are a lot of timber frames. It's called Fachwerkhaus and regardless of them not being build anymore there are a lot around. Some I know date back to the 15 and 16 hundreds, but I'm sure there are much older ones around here. they were build, like you said, out of wet lumber because people needed the housing. While I think the fact that they still stand today speaks for itself there are a few problems. the biggest I know of are wood worms (because the wood isn't protected against them very good) and moisture (some of the timbers are sitting directly on the ground so the water from the ground sucks up and the wood begins to rod) There are in fact no big warps or anything in the wood besides the natural 'not straightness'. Rich people had the money to afford straight timbers so the house looks nice and simetrical, the poor people could just afford the cheap and crooked wood, so the house doesn't look that simetrical. One interesting thing some people don't know about is that the walls (the space between the timbers in the timber frame) was often filled with a little bit of straw to give strength and was than filled up with (cow) dung

[@BraxxJuventa]

I totaly agree with Bugaboo!!

[@lucasdog1]

yes. i've been in and around beam built structures all my life. they can last forever. i find in every structure, the beams are of varied dimention, even within a single beam, and every building has curved, warped and/or twisted wood in them due to drying after construction. all that said, why are you spending so much effort milling perfectly straight, spot on material, knowing it will change dimension so much later?

[@CapnCrusty]

It's only in the last 100 years that we depleted the stock of old growth timber, with it's densely packed growth rings, which is stable even after it's just been milled. Using the wood available, which is fast growth, wide growth ring timber, the issue of drying stability rears it's ugly head.

[@bwillan]

When it comes to kiln dried construction lumber, they call 19% moisture content 'dry'. In timber frame construction, in order to reduce the twisting, warpage, cracking of the timber, it is best to 'box the heart wood' when the timber is cut. This way the drying process will be more even on all sides of the timber.

[@CrimFerret]

Good explanation. The pegs basically form an interference fit as the timbers dry. This same teqnique is used in machining only it's done with a difference of heat rather than moisture. For furniture and cabnetry, yes, you want dryer wood, but it's still better to do it slowly as far as less waste when you shave the boards flat and parallel.

[@tman8578]

Wow! Awesome video. You shared some good information. Your videos are entertaining and enlightening...plus addictive. I've been watching for months. Keep up the good work. Nice video editing skills as well Alyssa!

[@tom7601]

I remember reading about England being densely forested but as the country expanded, they needed tons of wood to build their ships, merchant and Navy. This pretty much denuded the hillsides, which prompted importing wood from Europe.

[@1979SFC]

tom7601 They used oak to build there navy. But yes, They tok Down almost every oak tree, and Then They had to wait 150 years to build another navy. 😂 But They came here to Denmark and stole our ships and our oak trees. 😢

[@jonathanbuzzard1376]

You have been able to air dry timber since time began, you just need to be patient. Also standardized timber is something that we have reinvented, the Romans had it nailed a couple thousand years ago.

[@marciabrumfield1400]

Every time Bugaboo meowed my kitties raised their heads and looked for him. It was really cute.

[@pu1ypj]

REALLY? TWO VIDEOS ON A DAY? ALYSSA YOU DESERVE A OSCAR!

[@ricktssf]

Knowledge from the Shelter Institute... Nice. Knowledge is power

[@hycron1234]

Thanks for editing all these videos Alyssa. :)

[@lmvanhout]

Between Facebook and You Tube I feel that I'm in a special J&A PL4L universe. I love these why we did (are doing) videos because they add to the whole flavour that this is not an easy project but life challenging and changing. Keep up the good work. Ignore the negativity.

[@harrysmith2299]

Jessie, you are doing great! No one does timber framing with dry dimensional lumber. Another thing you will experience is popping as the frame dries. Great video.

[@jedidiah5131]

I thumbed up, but I disagree, there are companies that build with both...The kiln dried is usually used in prefabricated timber frames, ...and all the joinery is cut and notched with computers driven components.

[@warrenraab46]

Love your blog...build..... story.....!!! Awesome. As a child, my family (Dad, Mom, Lil sister and I built our own home. With help of others of course. It is amazing that you both work so hard to fulfil your dream together. I know the depths of your struggle. Keep up the goos work. I am hooked waiting as long as it takes to see the finished product. Ours took 12yrs so hopefully not that long for you.

[@ChunkyMonkaayyy]

I don’t know if y’all get through all the comments on here but if you see this one, I’d love to see a saw mill series explained in this way. You’re very good at staying calm and delivering info in an easily digestible way. And you’ve recently gone from newb to pro so all that info is fresh in your head.

[@farm_in_themiddleofthewood3339]

Great Video! Well said and thank you for sharing your research and knowledge! The information is invaluable and anyone that is interested in Timber Framing will come away with some very valuable input, if they watch and take it to heart! Thank you so very much for sharing! Timber Framing is not for the faint of heart! And also not for the 'gotta be done now' folks. It is a labor of love and endurance! God Bless!

[@Peabody-xv2tg]

You comment about "massive misunderstanding", you don't know anything about kiln drying. I am not saying you should kiln dry post and beam, I am only saying you totally misunderstand kiln drying. My grandfather did it, my father did it and I did it, and you are wrong. If anything you said is actually being done they are selling to Home Depot and Lowes not to anyone that knows lumber. They don't dry in "big piles" they dry with very accurate tables to control temp and humidity in the kiln during drying with EVERY type of wood having its own schedule for drying. So yes go ahead and build green, it is fine for post and beam but don't get your facts straight before you try to educate the educated with misinformation. Oh, btw, lumber is cut oversize for two reasons, first it does shrink when it dries and they need to plane it to get rid of the saw marks, which you are having trouble with because you are cutting to exact dimensions and leave no room to plane them. One last point, rain and kiln dry are two different animals. Remember the human body is 98% water but you don't gain weight when you take a shower. The kiln drying removes the moisture SLOWLY from the cells not drying rain drops. Good luck you are learning but keep learning, you are not a teacher yet.

[@tomhutchins1046]

Know nothing about drying wood but the wood at home depot and lows is wet to the point of you better get it nailed together or it will warp curl (thats after you pick through the pile to find the one out of three that is usable) and be useless if it sit's in the sun just a few days even if you lay it down flat. There making mistakes but look at the project and the drive they show impressive

[@Peabody-xv2tg]

I have a lot of respect for what they have done, and I wish them well. That is also why I said the info must have come from someone that sells to Home Depot because the info is all wrong as far as Kiln Dried wood. When we dried lumber there were 13 stickers on every row of a 16ft long pile and dried by testing moisture content every day, not a bundle banded together for a couple hours. I am NOT saying they should dry 12X15 beams !!!! I also mean no insult that they don't know, I didn't know until I learned. I am just saying he shouldn't be teaching people how to dry lumber when he does not know how. I would not even consider teaching him how to build a timber frame house, even though I built my own house, I do not know anything about building a timber frame. Also if you look at the wood at the 'giant dealers" you will see "Whitewood", there is no such thing. It is a mixture of Fir, spruce, pine and even poplar. You shouldn't build with pine it is too soft and won't hold a nail, and poplar is a hardwood just like maple...a lot softer than maple but still a hardwood and is not meant for studs.

[@possabilitiesunited648]

Peabody, while this may not be helpful to most, poplar is technically a misnomer, as the "tulip tree" in which you are referring to is not actually in the Poplar family. And most box store lumber is "Southern Yellow Pine" as described on the sticker, but you are correct that it can vary, so be aware of that. It's best if you can get one that names the species, then compare with your eyes so you know it's consistent.

[@tomhutchins1046]

Actually lows and home depot in this area labels there soaking wet warped wood full of knots Doug Fir . They also carry a white (there description) wood that is softer has less knots (Warps worse when its dries) but is not recommended for structural applications. I believe quality and even the types of wood available in Box stores varies due to the area and availability. Also box stores are notorious for hammering there suppliers on price.

[@Peabody-xv2tg]

I agree the wood probably differs depending on the stores.

[@a.k.nesbitt9224]

Thank you for doing this video! You just proved my point over a discussion I had with a family member on Thanksgiving! THANK YOU for documenting this!

[@eldiablopoco]

A.K. Nesbitt, Oh my... I am now interested in what that discussion was because a lot of what he said in this video was bad information.

[@jkhenderson1]

Kuddos to both of you for going the natural way. I can not wait to see the finished house.

[@MrRain-hk4zi]

Interesting. Old timers used to cut lumber and store it vertically to air dry. Old growth timber and high line timber with tight grain woods are more stable by means of warping. Also, tight knot and tight grain woods shrink less. Putting the protective coating on the ends of the logs and board ends is good. In my experience in the timber and lumber industry reflects stickering when kiln drying. What is funny about kiln drying is they dry to (if I recall correctly) around 7% but when the lumber goes to a damp climate it gains moisture before the builder ever gets the board. The second and third growth materials you get are warped even coming off the mill green, especially butt cuts from trees growing on a side hill. Air drying is better in my opinion. Looking great, love what you guys are doing!

[@toddkaastad82]

Mr. Rain Jessie said wood didn’t dry 500 years ago. It was the dark ages.

[@oleanderson3693]

When dealing with shrinkage, it is important to note that the length of the beam will only shrink by 0.1-0.2%, but the diameter of a log will shrink 3-5%, that is why shrinkage in a log home is a serious matter to be considered in the design, because the logs are stacked one upon another. Not so with post and beam construction. The mortise and tenon used on post and beam construction will withstand any twisting as the wood dries slowly.

[@replyhere590]

Ole Anderson I am told by local experts and those on other forums that the TF shrinking process makes the frame stronger over time. Cracks/noises over that same time are part of the game. Call it part of the charm.

[@NanoCottage]

Totally agree with you. It's funny how some people can't see beyond modern ways of doing things, because that's all they know. Your frame is going to last a hell of a lot longer than a stick built house. Modern construction methods are great for speed and making profit but don't stand the test of time, and aren't necessarily that eco friendly due to all the processing.

[@tymesho]

a little know trick industrial launderers use : add some rock salt to your work clothes. it'll not only soften those Carharts a little, it will get a lot of the ground in soil. think about "butchers/mechanics/and the like, the company's rent clothes, and they get them CLEAN. great holidays!

[@wallykramer7566]

I like how Bugaboo interrupted the presentation without any protest from Jesse. As if there was no putting Bugaboo off. That cat runs the show!

[@Arctic_Cat423]

I find these types of videos very entertaining. Thanks for describing the science and strategies to this engineer.

[@possabilitiesunited648]

Your just egging him on aren't you Joel? ;)

[@skizzysmith]

Hi Buggaboo, yes, that makes sense, yes you prefer chicken to duck, love prawns but never get them, and all this talk about green wet dry lumber timber is stopping my back scratches and you know I need attention, so point the camera at me more often, I have fans too you know.

[@thatdutchguy2882]

I live in a house build in 1612, it's got huge beams everywhere, so does the local castle build in 11th century just a few miles from me and a church build in 15th century, the beams were all untreated when placed and still going strong today many hundreds of years later.

[@scruffy6151]

ThatDutchguy cheers from the usa

[@thatdutchguy2882]

John Huntington Greetings from the Kingdom of the Netherlands m8👍.

[@Bluswede]

ThatDutchguy I know that your tale is true...and over many parts of Europe and England it is the same. Here in the USA, there are many 'old' houses 100 years old...and quite a few 'very old' houses 200. There are a few 'ancient' buildings 300 years old here...but it seems that you have to add 500 years to those numbers for Europe, Skandinavia, and England. I feel that, if I were to visit, the 'tour' would lose me somewhere as I laid my hand on a beam and wondered how many people through the ages touched that very bit of wood, wondering what they were doing or thinking at the time...absorbing the deep history you have all around you.

[@wadeholden]

But were the the timbers green when those buildings were made all those years ago.....or did they use beams that were dry ?

[@thatdutchguy2882]

Bluswede We in Europe and in my country start calling a building old only passed 400 years, we've got Roman barracks still standing here, that's more then 2000 years old and ancient is old Germanic stuff, which we have aswell older then the Roman building by thousands of years. In my city we've got building from 800 to the year 1000, but an old well and bridge with the remains of a older house are dated to 500 AD, so 1612 is young compared to that, something a 100 to 300 years for us,....is like yesterday.

[@lumpy6]

Mostly good info. I'm another expert, but by the looks of the comments you've already got plenty. Properly dried and stable heavy timber fir is available for projects that require it. It is called Radio Frequency Dried and I'm proud to sell it. Good luck with your project.

[@doogs6196]

In Australia before farmed pine houses were made from natural growth hardwood. the hardwood was normally milled at a local mill to where the house was built and milled to order. The house frames were constructed whilst the timber was still green with sap running out of it. Once the frame was up and straitened the builders would walk away from that house and go and put up another or finish off the previous one they framed, coming back a few months latter to finish off.

[@johnshea713]

Bb STEALS THE SHOW. SO CUTE

[@alanaspopo1955]

Two thumbs up to Bugaboo for giving this video some soul!😉😆😅

[@Junkyard_Dog]

That's not how drying works. Whole units do not go in a kiln.Stickered stacks of lumber do. Please stop spreading misinformation.

[@Louis...............]

You are 100% wrong... If you want to use "wet" wood you need to put it in tension in the building right away! i've worked at a place where we made transportable homes and we had a humity level detector and a water sprayer to keep the wood "wet" until it would be used!

[@homesteadscrapper6790]

The saw mill I worked at specialized in timber frame homes and we dried timbers in a dual bay kiln in roughly 2 weeks during the spring and summer, one thing that often occurs during the kiln drying process is cracking

[@chadspry2505]

Your videos are very entertaining and I love that you are brave enough to share them. Everybody just calm down. No one wants to hear your negative opinions. If you don't like the videos then don't watch them.

[@johnparkhurst1141]

chad spry negative comments draw as much revenue as positive ones. It's about the views. The naysayers are building their house as much as the supporters.

[@kenpovall7311]

Elephant gift ? - It's a "White Elephant" something that's given but is useless :) - Can't wait for the framing videos.

[@tinker5412]

Gotta love that cat!!!

[@Sylvan_dB]

Transporting building materials is a modern thing? How far away was the quarry supplying the stone for the pyramids in egypt? You think London or Paris or Milan of 1700 were built with "local" materials?

[@jur4x]

logs for logbuilds used to be cut few years before building would be built. Sometimes, logs would sit there for a while before they were "processed". In some parts of Eurasia, dad would cut trees for the build when his son was born, in order to finish house by the time son gets married. Some of those houses survived multiple generations without much of a maintenance.

[@tom7601]

Copied from a woodweb forum: "Most timber frames are built green, as was mentioned before. It's not any fun to try and work joints into beams by hand when the wood is dry! It's much worse with oak or one of the other tough hardwoods. The joints tend to tighten up as the beams dry. Also, if you put the building up while it's green, the beams will tend to be held in place by the joints and therefore will be less likely to warp totally out of shape. What do you do if you dry your beams for 3-4 years, and when you go to use them, you find one with too much bow or twist? You can't use one green beam with a bunch of dry ones, and you probably don't want to wait another couple of years."

[@candacebrown6313]

This video was really interesting. Thanks for sharing guys!!!!

[@MikhailScottKy]

With all the fuel you guys go through I'm honestly surprised that you have not invested in to transfer tanks for your needs. Placing them on a small trailer and that way you could easily pull the trailer into town fill the transfer tanks and then hook them to the generator and use those to fill a smaller gas can or directly fill your tractor / backhoe as needed.

[@jasonj9538]

I built a oak log home with none dry wood, Oak has to drying in place, but you have to plan for around windows and doors, for shrinking of wood, because as it drys the wood will shrink... As long as you plan for it you are good. they say leave a inch to 2 two inch for shrinking. going on over 3 years living in my cabin

[@kalenmiller5787]

Jason J I guess I would rather not build my house with “inch to two inch” tolerances.

[@jasonj9538]

just above the windows and doors and you put foam in there, to stop the air, then you put your trims up, normal house have gaps to just not as much, and your right its not for everyone

[@LifeWayOutHere]

Good thing Noah wasn't afraid of green lumber.... if so, probably wouldn't be sitting in my living room watching this show. Lol. Two types of people in this world: men of action and all others. You and your wife are "men" of action. Keep going! Love your videos and the small steps towards completion. Many blessing to you both and the kitty :)

[@notanothername39]

Taylor Pruett seriously? Noah really built the ark??. It’s his preachy attitude and condescending tones that I take most offence to. All we hear is that they are two “ordinary” people building a house but yet this know all goes on as a expert in every aspect of the build

[@davesrvchannel4717]

Noah's green timbers couldn't have drying issues, as it was raining, in a body of water, and with thousands of animals peeing all over it

[@laggytim]

The principle is correct. The information is mostly incorrect. This is like watching a conspiracy video.

[@kalmangt2265]

Great video!! Answered many questions I had!!

[@thesugarlipslove]

to be fair, bugaboo talked a lot of sense

[@amandaworley2064]

....Air dry stick stack....my family has been doing it for 150 years man. When it comes to the logs, you let them set for 2 years(around here)

[@bertdavis7456]

Yes Amanda, and that is a good responsible practice. Back years ago there were still small operations that did that. I have a Portable Sawmill in My back yard. I Air Dry the lumber that I produce also. Back 30 years ago, a majority of the lumber used to frame homes was Not Air Dried for any length of time. The turn over rate in a large Mill is less than a month at best. The big mills just don't have the space or time to store that quantity of lumber, for say a year or two, or even 6 months. Now they use Kiln Drying, which allows them to process seasoned lumber quickly. Back years ago, that was just not available.

[@bertdavis7456]

Those are both ancient technologies. Both have been done for thousands of years. They weren't always done, but when there was enough time for it, it was done. If You go back 200 years ago, to the days of the Pioneers. Most first Home Log Cabins were built out of unseasoned Logs. They didn't have the luxury of time. They migrated to the area and had to build a home before winter hit. After the family built their first small Cabin and survived the winter. They could stock pile Logs and Lumber to let it season for a bigger better home. That was an option. Survival was the first first priority, but none of this is what the discussion was about. Prior to the late 1970's MOST Homes were built out of Green Lumber. Yes Maybe Your Family has been Air Drying Lumber for 150 Years. Many people can make that statement. The question is, of the hundreds of thousands of Homes Built in the United States, Prior to the availability of Kiln Dried "DIMENSION FRAMING LUMBER". What percentage of the Homes used GREEN LUMBER Fresh from the Mill ? That figure would be some where above 95%. In the 1970's, when We delivered Lumber to a job site, it was used to build the Home Immediately. Yes the technology of Air Drying was available, but they didn't wait, they started pounding nails immediately. I don't know why this is such a hard fact to accept. People who weren't involved in Home construction Prior to Kiln Dried Framing Lumber, have to understand that things have changed. IF AIR DRYING IS SO TIME, AND COST EFFECTIVE. Why then have We started using KILN DRIED LUMBER ? The answer is that, proper seasoning at the Jobsite was seldom done. It could have been done, but back then it was almost never done. The Green Lumber added to the trapped moisture in the NEW SUPER GOOD SENSE PROGRAM Homes. So Kiln Drying was a GREAT help. There are a lot of things that Families can do on a small scale. Those things are not always practiced on a much larger scale in the real world. Yes YOUR FAMILY may have air dried some lumber. It was apparently not enough for the rest of the country.

[@AlexSwan]

Gee still whinging about gas cans, yet no funnel in sight.

[@replyhere590]

Alex Swan I hate funnels. They get dirty or lost. Modern science & engineering can design a gas can that does not drip or require a funnel. And I know, Apple can make siri transcribe my voice accurately. Not.

[@martijnheeroma5492]

Liked you're story about the speed of drying and what you can do about it. Good info, thanks for sharing.

[@delosturner2344]

You most likely have already done this. Are you going to build temporary stairs or are you just going to do finalized stairs?

[@rwbimbie5854]

Dimensional Stability? Does that mean green lumber will cause a space-time rift and your house ends up in another galaxy hundreds of years in the past?

[@keegandurovich9820]

One of my best memories is of oiling the timbers of a 100+ year old hand hewn timber frame.

[@inthestyx5641]

Will your house fall apart because you built with green wood? No, but you are wrong about almost everything you said. Most of the time people would go around and ring (girdling) the trees in the winter so the sap was in the roots, the tree would die and dry while standing. while those trees were drying for one year they would throw together a good enough shelter to make due until they could build their house. At that time the good enough shelter becomes a chicken house, tool shed or whatever.

[@inthestyx5641]

Longest excuse ever from a half asser trying to justify their half asselry. Blah blah blah

[@VintageWoodWorkshop]

I just read this same fact about America's barns and covered bridges. They were smart and very patient back then

[@countryboijarod9826]

i have a perfect gas can suggestion for you guys. check out surecan gas cans they are the best gas can i have use so i haven't had any gas spillage since using them.

[@pattysherwood7091]

My son worked for a high end construction company building mansions. He said they used green wood milled special for their project. That is all I know.

[@CommanderXED]

Always listen to the Bugaboo.

[@RelentlessHomesteading]

Great topic. Timber framing is becoming a lost art. It is pretty but not practical. But I even dislike buying "dimensional" lumber. If you need anything straight it requires lots of picking. You learn where you can use the warp and wain pieces.

[@raybrensike42]

Something has happened to some of the plywood you get today. It used to be said that plywood is dimensionally stable. I bought a sheet of 3/4" fir ply for a three foot door for a shed, and it varies 1/4" or more from summer to winter. Crazy. Never used to be like that.

[@brydiecavanagh2393]

I can't believe how many negative comments there are. Keep your heads up guys, you're doing a fantastic job. Maybe the viewers will realize they are being given the info and instruction for FREE and not be so critical.

[@mikegage3369]

Upstaged by a cat. Great presentation Jesse. Thanks for sharing.

[@Afraithe]

Old ppl didn't have time? Time is all they had, cut the wood, remove bark, dry it for at least 2 years then work with it (no it's not completely dry, but most of the warping has been done). If I were to build with green wood in our community, the old timers would hang me from the first post I put up to save me the pain. Also, you haven't kept up with technology, modern drying has advanced greatly the last 5-10 years, they can manipulate the logs way more now and by Xraying the wood, running it through an AI, they know exactly how the tree will or will not warp and adapt the drying process. Also, if you want to go real modern (but expensive), you build with glued beams to avoid all kinds of movement.

[@doogs6196]

The old pioneers didn't have time on there hands. they arrived on land that hadn't been farmed, they had nowhere to live except maybe a tent or the wagon they arrived in. They had to get on and work the land to live and at the same time put up a dwelling, so guess what ... the dwelling was built as quick as possible no falling trees and waiting a couple of years to dry.

[@Afraithe]

The old pioneers? You refer to ppl who built shelters that was going to last over winter and more on? Define a pioneer? We are talking about building a sustainable home in somewhat modern times. Not sure where you live, but in my country, when they built houses on the countryside they had time, they usually put something small and simple up on-site, then worked for several years felling trees, barking, milling and building. If you wanted to build faster, you would have to trade your 2 "wet" logs for 1 "dry" log from your neighbor.

[@wildmanofthewynooch7028]

Well duh! You can if you want warped walls and bowed floors

[@practicallyIndependent]

Funny, I actually own half those books. They are great. I'm looking into the course you took in Maine. I'm in NH, so it wouldn't be too bad.

[@unclebuck1735]

Ya just gotta nail it up quick so she warp straight.

[@clayseale]

I understand what you are saying about the Timbers. While I believe that you understand all of the wood mechanics behind it, some of your wood science on dimensional Lumber is way off. For instance, dimensional Lumber is stickered and dried in units that is correct, but it is planed afterwards, so they do not dry it to a KD 18 on the outside and something else on the inside. It just does not work that way. You need to read up a bit more on equilibrium moisture content, and where you are in the United States. There is a lot of information about drying and free water versus bound water in wood.

[@replyhere590]

clayseale I'd add that to properly use EMC information you will need to consider the local environment, including even indoors, the type of HVAC used, etc. Why dry flooring to 8% when the home will be in Florida or somewhere like that with year round high humidity, etc? It won't stay at 8%.

[@clayseale]

If you buy flooring, or any other dried finish product, they go lower than most emc levels and tell you to store it in conditions similar to end use. It will come up to correct emc. Also, it is expensive to ship water.

[@jeffreyjones475]

Poor Jesse! Up staged by the cat!

[@phliptoutcool]

I think you meant "white elephant gift". However, it is a great idea!

[@CJ-xk7vs]

Bugaboo is a very cool cat :)

[@stevensargent6222]

You can get cast iron stand offs and put them on your wood cook/heat stove and just keep a kettle of water on it to keep the air humid, which you would need to do any way's or the air would get too dry for you. With any kind of wood heat you need to put moisture into the structure. And you need to check with your radiant floor heat people about how much humidly you will need inside as well.

[@Atlantismonkey40]

Better words hav never been spoken

[@dejonsmall9886]

Thank God for the fast forward

[@toddkaastad82]

Jessie is where fun goes to die.

[@woodpecker8546]

Great video! You are sooooo right! And good explanations, too!! Keep ondoing such a great job! Love watching your videos :-)

[@jsliveedgedesignwoodworkin2602]

When they dry in a kiln they sticker the stack so that every layer inside and out gets decently even drying they don't stack Lumber on top of each other until after it is kiln dried unless the Lumber has been bleached but even then that is only for shipping to the kiln where they still end up sticking the stack. They can usually get the moisture content down to 8-10 percent. With larger sized Lumber it becomes more difficult for Lumber to bow as much so you can get away with it, plus larger size Lumber is near impossible to get properly dried out with a kiln without horrible cracking unless they use a steam kiln which will still crack pretty bad. Your normal 2x4 2x6 and so on will bow very badly and you would need to dry it. With a kiln or outside drying usually goes a year an inch.

[@fuchiegreffrath7810]

Very interesting video. You guys are amazing with all the info at hand. I have been following all you videos and I really enjoy them. I do think that you are not enjoying taking enough brakes and rest.

[@michaellovesbuffalo]

So relieved to hear all this. I want to play with linseed oil.mineral spirits and terpentine and wax.

[@keithlilly4007]

I don't know which way is better but I do know houses built hundreds of years ago weren't air tight so the beams could have dried or whatever they do more quickly than the air tight structure you guys are building. It probably makes a difference..

[@finieclimber]

I know you don't have time to watch youtube videos but wranglerstar did a video where he talked about gas cans and created a good system with battery operated pumps form 5 gal jugs to better to handle 1 gal manageable jugs and good spouts. Might be worth taking a few minutes to watch.

[@andrewzanas9387]

Wondering how stable that steel beam spanning the basement will be, given few posts and concrete supporting the entire center mass. Sorry but I don't trust the engineering. What function does the reverse buttress provide - offset the hydraulic pressure coming from the hill?

[@richardwalkden102]

To support the staircase when its put in place....though won't do any harm strengthening the rear wall, as all tied in with re-bar etc.

[@andrewzanas9387]

There's nothing to mitigate lateral movement, and where they live they are on the edge of the Yellowstone Caldera. The number of earthquakes recently have numbered in the hundreds and because of this scientists have been expecting a monumental event. A relatively minor quake could kick out 4/5ths of the main beam's support. They've only concerned themselves with shrinkage and its effect on a hundred tons of gravitational forces.

[@rogerplumridge5828]

Good talk on wet lumber and thanks for the Bugaboo content