Can You Delete Your Diesel Vehicle Legally Now?

Lots of rumors, optimism, and KZbin videos floating around this week suggesting deletes are legal now since the new administration has taken over in DC. Let's discuss what is true, what is not true, and what could be true in the future.
Here is a link back to the Title 40 CFR discussing "useful life"
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Here is a link to the prohibitions listed against emissions tampering in the Clean Air Act
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[@michealbass2649]

My thoughts? I'm glad you asked Ray. Hypothetically speaking, let's say I had an 07 ram 3500 with the 6.7 and G56 transmission. Bone stock it got 14.8 mpg. After a weight loss regimen and tuning it got 23.7 mpg, hand calculated. It doesn't take a genius to realize that almost half of the fuel consumption is better for the environment than a DPF filter.

[@michealbass2649]

And to add to that, I'd love to have a newer Ram Cummins, but until it has the same reliability as my 2007 5.9 I will not be buying one.

[@jeffs2809]

Seems very odd that you saw such a big change in mpg’s. Hypothetically, someone else that did the some modifications to their exhaust system on both a 2014 and 2017 and didn’t see a measurable change might find this odd. That someone probably got over 20mpg, also hand calculated, when in all stock form. 🤷‍♂️

[@mikewill1891]

@@michealbass2649. 4th gen deleted with the Aisin transmission is a great truck never had an issue and was a work truck sitting at 14k LBS 25k when I was towing and has a great exhaust break.

[@joerigsby-qt5bf]

Now this sounds more truthful. Have a 2012 Cummins with 38,000 miles and after full delete, heater grid, and tuned with edge tuner now run 16-17mpg! And that is the truth! Before, around 12mpg.

[@oldfarmer4700]

Michealbass2649: I gave up on a 2010. Was delegated and loved the truck but every dealership would not touch it for any kind of warranty. It’s been 13 years ago but I have a 2002 and a 1997 and won’t give up on them because of the crap with newer ones. I had one with the crap and won’t have another.

[@rustrtal]

For many of us small business owners who rely on HD trucks, we have abandoned diesels in favor of cheaper to buy, cheaper to maintain, easier to work on gas engines. We all want diesel power but cannot afford the lack of reliability they provide now

[@cub1009]

In 2015, my family business purchased 3 2015 F250s. 2 of them gassers and one a diesel. The 2 gassers are now each over 300k miles with very few problems and still running great. The diesel is no longer around after spending 10,000 on it. Replaced it with a 2023 F250 gasser and that has been problem free with about 50k miles on it now. Gassers are cheaper to maintain and run better longer. I've never needed more power than the gas engine can provide. I tow a lot of stuff from dump trailers to tractors, skid steers, cars, boats, jet skis, riding mowers, and a lot of other stuff.

[@whatheheck911]

​@cub1009 all those loads are less than 7k lbs. Any 1/2 ton could tow those. Start getting over 10k lbs and see how it does. Lol. And plus you must live in a very flat state

[@dufinsmrts]

Tractors and skid steers weigh a lot more than 7k lbs lol​ @@whatheheck911

[@chadmiller6487]

💯 correct. I'm currently phasing to 6.6 gas 3500s. I have one with 80k miles on it so far with zero maintenance expense other than 5k mile oil changes and a 50k mile drive train fluid change.

[@Bloodbain88]

​@@cub1009 Which is sad because the diesels that are deleted, and older mechanical diesels are so incredibly reliable, and make the best workhorses. It's sad to see what diesels have become now.

[@johndoran3274]

The problem is that Congress didn’t make the rules for the Clean Air Act, the EPA did. Back in the late summer, SCOTUS ruled on government agencies creating laws and how it’s unconstitutional. Congress itself never made ANY of those laws so they were ruled unconstitutional. I understand a business owner who is trying to cover their ass, but this is a done deal.

[@DOUBLERDIESEL]

Maybe things will change, but unless the CAA is officially changed from its present wording, the legality of deleting has not changed.

[@stevenmiller6725]

Don't think you understand what he said. Law saying you cannot delete was declared illegal by the Supreme Court. Are you saying we have to follow illegal laws or that the EPA can overrule the supreme court? Kind of not understanding your line of reasoning.

[@DOUBLERDIESEL]

The Supreme Court has made no such ruling taking away what the CAA says about tampering with vehicle emissions systems. The Supreme Court ruled against Chevron Doctrine. Reversal of the Chevron Doctrine does not automatically allow people to legally delete emissions equipment. It will take further court cases for the Chevron Doctrine reversal to be used as a tool to legalize deleting.

[@sailingwiththegods538]

@@stevenmiller6725 Do you want to go broke trying to defend yourself from a fine from the EPA? Even if you happen to win you'll be broke for the rest of your life. If you're not willing to defend yourself, don't expect someone else to do it for you.

[@dand33911]

The Chevron decision Changed the entire country, and no one got the memo.

[@stephenb9330]

Having owned 3 diesel P/U, as long as I live in a State that does not have emissions testing. I am deleting my DPF/EGR/DEF system🤨

[@2000freefuel]

make sure you put the parts on a shelf.

[@Trad-Am]

Let's be honest, even when the emissions is working correctly, it's adding contaminants into the oil. If you extend your oil changes to what the manufacturer recommends, you'll have excessive wear, far before it should.

[@scottleggejr]

This one is simple. It needs to pull egr from post-scr and should have an air to air pre-cooler before the EGR cooler.

[@goobcutusofborg3357]

Tbh, the government isn’t mandated to have all of these emissions stuff on their vehicles and neither should we.

[@seanmchenka234]

I think the main argument against these emission systems is the environmental impact they create. The mining and manufacturing processes for all these components-especially those involving precious metals-come at a significant cost. Additionally, the accelerated rate of part replacements and engine failures due to oil dilution from extended fuel injector cycles adds to the problem. Not to mention, the production of DEF (Diesel Exhaust Fluid) introduces even more waste, including cardboard boxes and plastic jugs. I can’t get a plastic straw for my drink, yet every DEF jug comes with one-how does that even make sense? On top of that, we all know that these emission systems have drastically affected fuel economy. It was once common for a 1-ton truck to get over 20 miles per gallon before these systems were implemented. Now, no matter how efficiently an engine burns fuel, that efficiency is offset by the fuel wasted during DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter) regeneration.

[@Bloodbain88]

Don't forget downtime while these systems are getting diagnosed and repaired, and the costs involved there. Not just in the bill you receive, but the time the truck is sitting there not making any money. It's now common for larger companies to buy several "backup trucks" that they will do the work while others are in the shop. But even then, I've seen companies almost ground to a halt when their main trucks AND backups are all derated and getting towed. It's gotten totally out of control.

[@scottleggejr]

Common sense didn't get us here! Going to be hard to unwind it all.

[@biz4twobiz463]

So, basically your solution is to do nothing for emissions from vehicles? Or if I misunderstand, what is your solution? Because, EVERYTHING causes emissions that we produce or consume in one way or another. And doing nothing is NOT an option.

[@D.M.Designs]

Just another hypocrisy of using an environmentalism fascade to make profit when in truth it using more resources than just allowing visual soot to a degree.

[@gddyuprap]

Don't forget to add in the cost and impact of transporting all those replacement parts to get them on the shelf for someone to repair their broken down emissions systems. Most of that material for DPF systems and whatnot comes from overseas or the entire assemblies themselves are shipped on these big boats that burn diesel.

[@benwilson3472]

When the government orders their new trucks none of them come with emissions equipment. Should be the same option for everyone.

[@williamroberts8550]

I have been saying the same thing. If diesel exhaust pollutes so much then why is it not mandatory for the government like it is for everyone else. They don't want emissions systems on their stuff because they know it's unreliable. It's ok for them to pollute but not anyone else. Do as I say not as I do. I have a 2012 Cummins pre DEF and have had nothing but problems with mine. It left me stranded multiple times. One time 4 hours away from my home. I also had it go into limp mode at the beginning of my road. I have to take my 6.0 gas Silverado and pull it to my house when the truck was only 3 years old at the time and only had 60k on it. My DPF was plugged and my EGR valve was stuck open. Luckily one of my buddies has a DPF filter laying around so I traded him and got my EGR cleaned and had a spare for my ride home just in case. I priced out a DPF and it was $2600, EGR valve was $800 and the EGR cooler was $1100. That is absolutely ridiculous. I think emissions were added because they didn't want people to have such a reliable motor. If the motor never breaks the government doesn't make any money off of them. It's all a giant scam thanks to the government. What they need to do is learn how to properly tune a diesel motor. If the motor is tuned correctly it will put out very little smoke and get really good mpg.

[@johnneil6653]

After warranty, should be allowed to remove any/all of it.

[@robertjohnson2465]

Coming from the heavy equipment and emergency vehicle side here in the arctic climate up north, it is critical that the Trump Administration work to make modern diesel emission components "OPTIONAL" for the user. This has been an absolute nightmare for far too long, and it has not gotten much better over the years. We are still receiving brand new heavy equipment at times that still won't work correctly due to emissions problems. Million dollar machines that are critical for the safety of airfield operations sit sidelined when needed during snow storms, others have to have parked regen cycles taking the machine out of service and needing monitored because it isn't functioning as it's supposed too, the incalculable amount of waste of additional diesel fuel being burned during the regen process, or the machine sits and idles for hours on end after being abandoned while its regening which ironically produces a huge amount of totally unnecessary pollution, the expense of mechanics working and wasting valuable time dealing with problems, and addition electronic computers and devices to work on these machines, the additional expense of buying more machines to make up for all the unnecessary breakdowns related to the emission components, operators having to run to get another machine in a snow storm in a hurry, and I've even had a few of my employees suffer work related injuries because they were frustrated and trying to HURRY to get another machine up and running and into the fight, etc...etc...etc... I could go on and on and on. I've been doing this for over 30 years, and this is an extremely serious safety problem that must be addressed by the Trump administration immediately. Critical snow removal equipment on airfields and emergency vehicles needs to be exempt effective immediately, and everything needs to be made OPTIONAL going forward.

[@jebediahnightlinger6357]

Well said! I work at a KW dealership...Everything we own gets to us on a truck, why would we even consider making our supply chain vulnerable by using such an unreliable system? Use the technology we have to make these engines more reliable and efficient!! It's time for a change!

[@justinsnyder6256]

Or at least have an emergency mode to override the emissions system

[@highspeeddrag5551]

I used your advice and knowledge years ago with my 2015 Ram 3/4 diesel. deleted , loved it. I have since sold it in 2023 with over 120K miles, no issues. thank you

[@darrelwilson2875]

I just lived the scenario you mentioned. 2013 F350, 104,000 miles. Retired and headed off to AZ for the winter with 3 horses in tow. First it was DEFpump, heater/sender unit, then EGR cooler, and valve, then Pump and sender again(2500 $), then DEF quality, then dealer say SCR or Nox sensors bad and wants 12000 to replace. I said no and took the truck. Then idle mode happened, and truck required a flat bed to get back to camp. That's when I became the EPA's worst nightmare, and "lightened" my truck. Running better than ever, and I'm not longer stranded.

[@stevenbrooks1243]

Absolutely. The way the 67 should run from the factory. My 15 same thing

[@marshall-w9h]

Do what you want - just don't do dirty tunes... Rolling coal is what put diesel in the cross hairs to start with...

[@jay_Jalapeno]

It put the entire aftermarket on the cross hairs and i called it back then and I was shouted down and made fun of ... as much as I didn't want to be proven right I was

[@kennethburton9165]

I am a professional truck driver and have been for 30 years. I love diesel engines, or at least I used to. Today’s diesel engines are so expensive and unreliable that it is costing this country billions to maintain. Personally I won’t own a diesel engine anymore. Last year I bought a 96 Chevy Silverado with a 5.7 gas engine and have been fixing it up, instead of spending $80k on a new truck. The craziness has gone too far.

[@Avrageoutdoorguy]

100% agree with you

[@mudsta9828]

🚂Pollution Rant, with DEF trucks we get half the fuel mileage that we did with NON-DEF trucks. So we're likely putting more emissions into the air because we have to use twice the amount of fuel to go the same distance. 🚂

[@Dagger-Moose]

We can thank somewhat all the idiots who drive around blowing black smoke too. We arent going to garner any popularity with the public about this topic with them blowing clouds of black smoke. It doesnt matter whether its harmful or not. Its about perception and its fking stupid.

[@brianfung4927]

Yet burning cow piss and the white clouds are "environmentally friendly" and have such a pleasant odor

[@fireflyraven2760]

Yeah it is can't stand it. It really is stupid it's also destructive oil delusion damaged bearings and blocked intakes why they like it i can't answer that cause not even i know

[@yarrik701]

Yeah, years back, driving a pre-SCR diesel (everything stock), it'd puff out a little bit of smoke if you'd goose it going up a hill, but it didn't billow out black clouds of smoke that would engulf the vehicles behind you. I wish people wouldn't run these dirty tunes that sets off every Karen and Ken, sending them into a mad fit demanding draconian emissions equipment for diesels.

[@8180634]

I think we can thank them with 99% of the blame. Deleted diesels weren't on anyone's radar until those guys started posting all over social media.

[@jlaustill]

Plus, black smoke equals wasted fuel. Who in the hell can afford to waste fuel???

[@gannonfamily2000]

I have an 03 6.0 powerstroke. It's not restricted. It has smog system egr and does pass emission in California fine. But when I bought it stock in 2012, I was getting 17 mpg just general driving. Our California fuels formulation changed like California always does and I lost 4 mpgs. The California fuels change went National. Fueled in Nevada and farther west I got the 17mpg again. Before National reformulation like California. The engine checked out running as built. After hitting 160,000 miles and noticing a little cold start stiction. I added Revex oil additive and it cleaned up first oil added. I did gain 2 mpg just from the slick additive. No surprise. I decided to do all the suggested systems and hardware upgrades to "harden" the 6.0s problems. Engine wear was very minimal. So running as intended. I added a tuner with different settings. I tried the fuel milage power tune. I did get back to 17 mpg. But because I use the truck for heavy hauling almost exclusively I keep it on stock. It stays at the 13-14 mpg again. It has around 200,000 miles now. All tow miles between a rock crawler trailer and 5th wheel. Car trailer 8500 lbs loaded and the 5th wheel16,000lbs. Most towing miles are 5th wheel. I do get 9 mpg towing the 5th Wheel and only get a little better with the car trailer. usually 10mpg. That hasn't changed since I bought the truck for some reason. I blame the fuels that the bureaucrat "scientists" have forced on the market. All the ridiculous hardware causing a minimal amount of cleaning after a very efficient computer controlled engine, is a big factor I understand. inefficiency is not excusable for the restricted trucks. If overall pollution minimization was the real concern. But the fuels they now have nation wide is real crap from the original fuels un molested. Some good things of it but buried by over complicated other things. In my opinion They should start over and see what they can now do from no systems with their new tech. And see what we could really do for fuel consumption and minimizing over all pollution from our trucks. The weight loss, cradle to grave of pollution from added device manufacturing and forced assembly. Should be calculated into the over all life time amount of pollution. I bet it adds way more over all pollution than they actually say they remove.

[@KDubya24]

How come it’s okay for the federal government to delete their diesel vehicles when they order them new but we can’t after 100k miles? If the government can do it, so can we the people.

[@kristiandaniels4728]

The way I feel about it is that if the government can mandate these emission system they should be a lifetime warranty on all emission systems. And on another note I think it's odd that they are not supposed to do emissions testing when the diesel vehicle is in regen i would love to see the data of a emissions test when the vehicle is in Regen then a true real world daily driving emissions test on a emissions in tacked vehicle and deleted truck with proper tuning by a professional like Kory from ppei and see which one is a cleaner driving vehicle.

[@jordanamos8865]

Environmental impact goes beyond air quality from a tail pipe. Extra fuel burned, more parts consumed, more systems of parts required, lost wages/increased repair costs. Extra fuel burned creates pollution across a whole spectrum from the new dpf choked pickup to all the equipment to produce and distribute fuel...which also has lower fuel economy due to emissions equipment. Then you have the pollution from factories making new systems of parts to put on the newer vehicles. You have to mine and process raw materials to not only make the parts systems, but also to manufacture replacement parts for when these problematic systems need repair/replacement. I'm sure I'm leaving out a lot of details, but at what point is all the extra pollution from all the extra involved equipment not recognized to be worse for the environment than if a deleted truck just had a good clean tune?

[@SSgt-]

This is why I’m hanging onto my 94 F-350 with its IDI engine. Unless things drastically change if I were to buy a newer 3/4-1ton truck it’d be a gas burner.

[@stephencooper5040]

12:14 the wiggle room comes in the phrase "render inoperable." If it was ALREADY inoperable because it failed after the "useful life" then the shop and the vehicle owner did not render those systems inoperable, because they were already.

[@jamesford2942]

Girlfriend just spent $2000 to have the intake manifold replaced on her 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee Eco diesel. The EGR system caused the intake to be carboned up so much that the intake variable valve system couldn't function. Fuel economy went down, and the intake was destroyed to the point of non-functional at 160,000 miles. The DPF has had issues, the EGR cooler had to be replaced under warranty, the DEF system has been replaced due to crystalization. Every emissions part has pretty much failed on this car. If the EGR system is not deleted the new intake manifold will also be destroyed.

[@martinlehotan8373]

I have a 2014 Ram Ecodiesel so I understand what you're going through. I had problems with emissions as well. The turbo coolant line is another issue. I had issues with intake manifold as well, but I soaked it in diesel fuel and all the soot was removed. I was able to save some $ by doing this. Just a FYI. This engine would run so much better without all the emissions.

[@mikewill1891]

My 2000 8.3 ISC Cummins with no emissions has never blew a once of smoke. A non emissions diesel that is properly tuned and mechanically sound will never smoke or roll coal.

[@user-roadwander]

Finally, a great comment.

[@scottleggejr]

You must tow at sea level. Go up to 8000+ elevation and watch her blow 😂 I had a few pre emissions trucks that blew clouds up the mountains because of mechanical injectors. Then I had a common rail with cats with MAF sensors, left a haze up mountains. Now my scr truck just regens forever in the mountains 😂 it also has a slight haze when you're pulling hills in thin air and has no power.

[@deskonosido1026]

@@scottleggejr tunes will fix the smoke but retune to what it was once you’re back or getting close to being back . Probably will have to seek a professional tuner though unless you are able to do it yourself. I think Learning Hp tuners is a great skill.

[@deskonosido1026]

@@scottleggejrit’s a pity that diesel trucks are being nerfed.

[@Ethan.Lamoureux]

The EPA doesn’t have the constitutional power to make law, period. Unless Congress says it, and the constitution allows it, it doesn’t have any force of law.

[@DevilDolphin734]

It was announced that EPA regs will be backtracked to late 1980s standard.

[@DOUBLERDIESEL]

Post a link friend. Love to see it!

[@is6566]

Any reliable source I saw said 2015 standards.

[@tumbleweed0u812]

Link please

[@is6566]

I can’t link the 2015 info it was in the Wall Street Journal and requires subscription. It was a throwaway side sentence in an article about the incoming (at that point) administration not the main topic of the article. That said I am certain as much as I can be that they are not going back to 1980s standards and regulations. If they stop the completely crazy regulations that are supposed to take effect in 2027 then we are already golden, at least until the next presidential election

[@sabastian4858]

@@is6566 post it please

[@llawnmeister1973]

My 2019 barely made it to 50k miles before the emissions garbage started having issues…. There has to be a better way to help the environment.

[@danielfish101]

Make the fuel from clean sources. Aka turning waste to fuel. Which would be net negative carbon

[@markgiraldes4062]

Thanks for doing a great job of explaining useful life ! I as you believe we complied with all there standards and regulations so now that our trucks have passed years they should be set free from smog testing till they are exhausted ! 😁

[@pbalerig]

Buying a new vehicle is FAR more toxic anD polluting than maintaining a current older vehicle with cheaper and less complex service.

[@randymiller5008]

You can where I live . We don't have vehicle inspections ✌️😄

[@Sdukes001]

We need to delete the EPA let’s go 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@azcharlie2009]

This should, and may happen. However, there are still corrupt leftist states, like Arizona, and leftist cities, like Tucson, that will continue with the craziness, until people finally get fed up with them and remove those leftist communist from office.

[@paulwegman9761]

why are the diesel trucks that are built for our government emission free ?????

[@gerdanc]

Thanks for sharing facts and a realistic strategy to get relief.

[@dalemilton5773]

deleting def & egr would be a big step forward @ apparent neutral true impact to environ.

[@hunterprowsemrereviews9141]

So here’s my gripe with the diesel engine emissions control equipment. It was implemented during the Obama administration that’s strike one of it being a corrupt EPA overreach. It actually burns more fuel to clean itself out than a deleted diesel had to burn all the time, that’s strike two. It doesn’t last much longer than the warranty period and is designed to fail as soon as the warranty expires that’s strike three and you’re out. The thing is this stuff was designed when diesel technology wasn’t to far from the pre emission days. Diesel injection technology has advanced way more by this point. It to the point now that they tested the emissions from a deleted modern diesel, and one with the emissions equipment still intact, and found that the levels of NO2 gases coming out were the exact same. The only thing the emissions equipment does is captures the carbon soot out of the exhaust and collects it letting it clog up every filter and EGR and DEF injector on the thing. That’s what the real problem is. Once it plugs up and can’t breathe then your engine performance tanks. You can’t collect the soot it needs to be able to exhaust the soot out with the rest of it, so it can breathe. Nothing the law was made by people who have no idea how a diesel engine works to begin with. It’s all just another government overreach for more control on us and our freedoms to enjoy our vehicles the way we want to it’s how they want to allow us too. So I say with the advancements in diesel injection technology, piston design, 24 valves, and computer controlled fuel injectors, and Common Rail fuel delivery systems, we no longer need the emissions control equipment.

[@ShannonJanzen]

If the epa is so worried about the environment why don’t them make the manufacture make parts that last instead of throwing away parts that don’t last like they use to. Like washing machines

[@jimderrick846]

Properly tuned diesel engines are more efficient than the garbage that is coming off the assembly lines.

[@IRLArgentino]

It's my truck. I'll do as I please.

[@revgordon91]

Unfortunately, the right answer is to replace these failed components. As much as I like clean air and clean water, getting the government involved in anything usually makes it worse. I am actually surprised that the aftermarket has not capitalized on this significant requirement yet it made performance upgrades so that you can upgrade your truck's performance without sacrificing the emissions quality.

[@scottleggejr]

Burning 30-50% more fuel to save particulates isn't reducing emissions no matter how you slice that pie.

[@dylancarmack3643]

We have been taking this crap off since the 70s.

[@CallMeTheRealE]

Base line is using emissions equipment means my truck has to work way harder and will produce more toxins and pollutants in order to reach whatever speed I’m accelerating up to compared to a deleted truck which while yes it will potentially blow some black smoke if it’s getting old and the tune is not so good but it’s releasing significantly less pollution this way

[@paulmcdonald3570]

Not only the life cycle of a vehicle as you mentioned but also the possibility of components being discontinued. They have shortened the manufactures responsibility/availability of several vehicle parts to 6 or 7 years of needing to produce some of these components.

[@HonkeyKongH]

HOLY GOD ITS GOOD TO SEE YOU

[@BlackHornetTactical]

To get down to a technical level. You are not breaking the law by deleting the vehicle after the stated mileage/years have been met. The ambiguity in the wording does not clarify any specific ruling or procedure that must be followed. On a side note I live in Texas where they no longer require emissions (unless you live in 3 specific counties) so fuck them sideways my truck has been deleted and will stay that way.

[@carloscruz7317]

I’m one who loves the tech. I’m not for rolling back these emission standards. The fuel efficiency and reliability once you understand these system and do everything to keep them running reliably just adds to the bottom line. These truck require a lot of proactive maintenance. I do think it’s nuts to have these system in pick ups. Semis with good fuel additives and some dpf preventative cleaning and and eye cleaning in on my 2nd truck I’m 630,000 miles in issue free.

[@williamhsteele]

Unfortunately all of these executive orders can be changed back the other way as soon as another president takes office. Emissions isn’t going anywhere ultimately. I’m just taking a shot in the dark but They probably left that statement open ended so they can interpret it how they want when the question finally arose.

[@Ron2150]

The "Clean Air Act" needs to be repealed and the EPA needs to be deleted

[@professionalinspectionserv9468]

The problem is those folks that "want roll coal". That is whats a bad vibe for those of us that just want our overprice trucks to last longer, not indebt to Ford or mechanics for repairs (designed that way?), or maybe better milage.

[@user-xb3nk6dx3g]

Do not comply. It’s our equipment we paid for it and will do with it as we please. And we stand on this

[@rickbull6502]

Best video I have ever seen in many years

[@petera3901]

Well said, dont agree with young adults pulling dpfs to roll coal. These are the types that drew attention to us. If the government wants older vehicles to stay compliant then foot the bill

[@Justthemow]

Thank you so much for this 🎉

[@DNTtreadONus]

You do know these are the same bureaucrats that still can’t figure out the first two articles of the bill of rights. Anytime government gets involved it muddies the water and helps no one.

[@topperman4541]

I'm A field service heavy equipment mechanic. 80% of all my repairs are emissions, 15% are fuel issues, and 5% is everything else. Guy I know buys and complete overhaul/rebuilds Bobcat machines he won't even take in on trade anything newer than 2007 because of emissions. He can't keep up with the demand for the completely rebuilt non-emissions macines

[@craighofer7890]

How many jingly trucks in 3rd world countries have emissions in them?

[@scottleggejr]

Or federal diesels or boats or jet engines?

[@roylindsey]

NONE.

[@robertmccann7570]

I agree that once a system falls outside the mechanical limits requirement it should be up to the individual as to its future.

[@berkeleyclubbeveragesinc.8445]

We Survived the 60s and 70s with very little emissions control and had longer lasting vehicles so i disagree with all that crazy stuff they just try to control us with

[@johnbrooks5211]

Modern diesel trucks are so much more efficient than when all these regulations were passed that I think most of this is overkill at least for private vehicles ( basically anything smaller than a 18 wheeler) I would like to see this law removed from the books for private vehicles.

[@timothyboyd5548]

It is law and the exception is that government vehicles can come from the factory without the devices. That passes me off. Double standards.

[@dougsmith747]

How would they penalize someone for deleting ......now that chevron has been overturned?

[@johnharding91]

Problem, executive orders are temporary and/or can be eliminated by the next administration. Congress needs to lock in some kind of congressional oversite and control over the alphabet soup agencies that often rewrite the laws by imposing new rules that could be argued are in contradiction or over reach of the original laws, acts etc. Additionally executive orders should not be able to side step our laws and constitution. With regard to vehicles over 10 years old there should be a mercy rule or some outlet for the common customer to allow a vehicle to be fixed without the need for 1,000's of dollars in repairs. Insurance companies would just total the vehicle if the cost of repair is over 50% - 80% of the value. I think these older vehicles will be needed by those that can't spend 100k dollars on new ones.

[@Dirty_mike39]

Yes. But said youtuber also stated that the EPA will not go after you, nor will DOT, due to its not thier priority. The problem isn't these trucks and America. Let's put this in perspective. 1 Boeing 737 2 hour flight is more pollution than the same 2 hours of rush hour traffic

[@Dirty_mike39]

But none the less, still a good video! As a shop I do understand where you're coming from

[@tommartinez6056]

* With exception! If replacement emissions equipment is not available for your particular truck. My neighbors ‘08 Duramax replacement equipment was not available at time of failure 9/2024. We all know engine won’t tow with plugged dpf.

[@gdt5430]

I think there is a general misconception about Federal Vehicles being exempt, in fact CERTAIN vehicles are exempt from emissions and most of those are US Military Vehicles, they are exempt but all others with a few exceptions are not exempt and must be tested like everybody else.

[@Sylvan_dB]

The question lies in the Supreme Court striking down the Chevron doctrine, and the EPA defining their own rules beyond what the law passed by Congress and signed by the president based on that Chevron doctrine. Originally the clean air act meant something, and now decades later it has come to mean far more. In most cases those weren't laws. They were interpretations of laws and that practice used to be implicitly allowed under Chevron doctrine. Now they aren't. But that does not mean those interpretations are null and void.

[@ghostpepperrides4805]

Thank you.

[@carlosgonzalez1635]

My 22 Ram 3500 diesel with less than 32,000 miles has a faulty DPF. Needs to be replaced. Went to dealer several weeks ago, and was informed that it would be 3-6 months for filter to arrive. In the meantime, I can continue driving, but it is always on constant regen mode. Luckily, I stopped by dealer yesterday and was informed that the filter arrived earlier that day. I have an appointment for Monday to have it installed. We’ll see how long this one lasts. Very thankful still under warranty. So I can’t wait for new laws to pass.

[@goldcountryruss7035]

I just don't want to be required to buy and maintain on my vehicle any emissions equipment that US government vehicles don't have. There are two different standards, and it isn't right. This whole thing started with LA smog and the South Coast Air Quality Management Department. Yes, the L.A. smog is gone but California has forced at least 1/2 of vehicles worldwide to be more complicated and more expensive to buy and operate. I demand the ability to buy vehicles equipped exactly the same emission equipment the US government buys whether for the N.P.S. or Air Force.

[@chadholland6847]

My opinion is if your truck/car/semi truck is performing correctly but the emissions is acting up, i suggest that have everything turned off an gutted but didn't add fuel or geeking it up to roll coal an etc.; but to have it run and burn efficiently to carry on as such....😎😎

[@Justthemow]

I think the very same day they say the deletes are legal again I’m getting my new tunes from you these box tunes from raceme are ok but the transmission running(tuning)** is garbage I have such hard shifts in 2-4 gear sometimes it feels like I’m getting rear ended

[@kdean3059]

ANY modifications made to a vehicle without manufacturer consent is illegal. This is in place to protect manufacturers and insurance companies. It’s all about them not you. That’s why factory deletes could be a game changer.

[@stevenmiller6725]

This cannot be true. That would mean that the manufacturer still owns the vehicle after you bought it. If you own it, they can't tell you what you can or cannot do with it. They can void a warranty or not support your vehicle. That is about it.

[@TdrSld]

@@stevenmiller6725 they can't even just out right void warranty, they have to PROVE the mod is what caused the defect and thus the warranty clam they are denying.

[@dang5553]

That’s right the government can have all the deleted trucks right. It’s a scam you know it. Government truck refuse to run them for price n Simplicity

[@jordanamos8865]

If I understand right....a diesel that burns hot and clean has higher nox output right? So to lower nox output, timing is altered and egr is used to cool cylinder burn temps(less fresh air, poorer, aka cooler burn). But this creates more soot/unburnt fuel, so a dpf is required to burn off the fuel vapors. Kinda like engines are set up to fail, hoping for some longevity, while the tail pipe smells good. Definitely not tuned for max efficiency and longevity.

[@brockgregory7293]

Very informative. Thanks for telling us the truth cuz what we want to hear 👍

[@Arrowflyer2]

We all need to write to president Trump and maybe we can get some change. We now have a president with some common sense!

[@toddjcole6935]

My equipment got cut off and stolen, I'm not going to pay $10,000+ to replace them. I'll just take the chance and roll the dice.

[@areliablesource4558]

Whos the EPA again. I have forgotten.

[@vhp454]

The biggest problem is that manufacturers design the diesel engine to use the after treatment, if an owner takes care and understand the system the truck runs with very little problems. The big issue is trucks driver's refuse to understand the after treatment and refuse to put the truck in Regen.

[@Chris-pz4mb]

I think the Rule of Lenity would apply in this case. Basically if a law, rule, statute, etc... is not clear or ambiguous then the court must interpret it in a manner that favors the defendant.

[@is6566]

You should ask the question from the shop owners in WA state who were recently (that is a few months ago after the SCOTUS ruling) convicted for installing deleting equipment. They had to pay fine, lost their business and spent a few months in house arrest. I am pretty sure they were to answer NO.

[@jlaustill]

And this is why I drive a 2002 F-350 with a 24v Cummins and a six speed Allison. It is my forever truck, and the only thing I can imagine changing it converting to diesel electric with an Edison kit someday for that sweet sweet torque

[@Capt.Kirk71]

I guess it’s similar to some local governments, exempting older vehicles from their local emission standards

[@traversslattery4307]

I was about to delete my def on my 2023 Chevrolet Silverado 2500HD High Country 6.6L diesel because here in Jackson County in GA we don't even have to do emissions but then I thought about moving with hotshots in another state & figured I might run into legal problems where it's illegal. Not sure & nobody seems to have the proper answer. My truck has less than 17k miles but I like that's it's clean air but it lowers reliability & HP on my truck from what I've discovered. We'll see how it goes I've been making changes like decreased from 130+lbs stock tires & rims after putting 3600miles I switched to 81lbs Nittos & KMC tires/rims & also I installed K&N intake filter & eventually I need to change suspension & I'm getting a Holley mod plug in(Diablosport or Pulsar).

[@AmericanMX]

They can change the computer to allow the eng to continue to operate normally when any emission system fails. No derate no loss of performance. Just show a light just like regular cars.

[@russellhix6802]

Delete it. They work for us, Ronald Reagan. We have allowed ourselves to become the subordinates to the ones who are supposed to be subordinates to we the people.

[@jerrysouthwick]

My question is is what is happening in other countries like Russia China India Europe Australia South America? Do those countries have DPF systems on their diesel vehicles and tractors? What good does it do America to be the only one with all these emissions standards and all other countries don't care?

[@Dazza-u4c]

Australia certainly has all the emission crap on vehicles. That is why I still own a 2006 TD42 TI Nissan Patrol Diesel.

[@randylamance7888]

Just think how many years vehicles have been produced with emissions and what small percentage of those vehicles actually do anything to effect those emissions systems. It really seems irrelevant. This seems more like the "green crowd" coming after those of us who love and work on internal combustion engines.

[@8180634]

What burns my britches is the diesel trains that run behind my house all day have no emissions equipment, I smell it and see the smoke, and they burn more fuel in a day than my truck burns in a year. The port is a few miles from my house, you should see the black smoke pouring from the smoke stacks of the ships that operate there daily. In particular one that runs back and forth between S. FL and the Bahamas on few-day cruises, there is always black smoke pouring from that thing even when it's docked. It's hard to take this emissions stuff seriously when these most egregious offenders get a free pass.

[@JacobMoy-ij5om]

What they don't tell you is that the environment cleans all that stuff up the trees actually breathe with the Diesels put out

[@Garth2011]

The best approach to moving ahead is the cost vs. benefits achieved. In the past 20+ years the EPA and especially CARB do not factor in the costs, as far as I am aware of. Considering the benefits and overall long term ownership needs of newer trucks and cars, it apparent that CARB doesn't care that their rules are also damaging engines, causing them to have short lifespan and much worse MPG. Everywhere an owner looks, there's a maintenance expense added, repair expense, cost to operate increase, DEF and other purchases to maintain emissions all along the path of ownership. The added expenses do not in any way justify the gains. Once those EPA/CARB experts include cost benefits in their methods and rules, much of what the public get out of lower emissions will make some financial sense. Besides, as we all know, just about every vehicle made within the past 20 or so years are clean and no longer are a pollution problem like we had in the 1960's and 1970's. Industry pollutes more than vehicles do these days...

[@alltheboost5363]

Like if it costs as much to replace the emissions equipment as the value of the vehicle then it's not worth it..... then there should be some exemptions.

[@lowridin67]

In a sustainability class I took while pursuing my engineering degree, I did a study on the greenhouse gas emissions over the lifetime of vehicles from manufacturing to disposal. All internal combustion engine vehicles were far "greener" than EV's. Diesels were far better than gas burners because of their increased fuel mileage and life expectancy in miles. All pre-emission vehicles are better than any new vehicle because they will not produce the emissions in operating them for another 50 years that just goes into manufacturing a new one. If you want to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, either force China and India to follow the same commercial regulations we have in the U.S., or bring manufacturing back here where we have cleaner factories. And build more nuclear power plants. There is not enough land in the country to build enough solar and wind farms to produce more power than just a few nuclear plants.

[@mikemyers3515]

They do not want older cars and trucks on the road. They expect the older ones to be recycled, and replaced with a newer car/truck with the latest and greatest systems. We seen that with Cali buying back older vehicles. as well as that cash for clunkers back in the 2000s.

[@llawnmeister1973]

The poor design of these systems will eventually render the components inoperative, I think that would put the manufacturers responsible for its replacement.

[@fireflyraven2760]

Wasn't that part of the 2027 emissions standard to have the companies pay to replace the parts

[@scottleggejr]

Or the government

[@stephencooper5040]

2:08 but "upcoming changes" are still not "present changes"

[@puterg0d]

I'd be happy if they just backed the hell off the "availability for off-road only vehicles". If you're trying to build a "race truck", they've made it dang near, if not all the way, impossible to get the tunes to delete the race truck, and EPA regulations on emissions do not apply to off road only vehicles.

[@TABLESAWTIM]

2019 F-250 LDT 60gal tank, Moving 2019-2020 & DPF plugged, but before that it burned far to many times during each 2,300mi round trip, utilizing 32% to 57% of each full tank. Tuned & eventually lowered burn rate, but not before sealing DPF. It plugged enroute & stranded me with a full 10kLbs 24" car hauler. Sometimes, ya got'a do, what'cha got'a do when the mfgr. doesn't have the parts! Regen is not the correct term! Enjoy

[@mopar2ya165]

Since the EPA mandates this crap, they should be responsible for the maintainence and repair of the emissions.

[@plumbermanplumbingllc7547]

It's just ridiculous and sad our governments war on diesels.. As countries like China, India and Russia pollute at high levels with zero worry while we hang ourselves with very questionable science and over regulation. Current diesel emission systems are way to complex and expensive.. They significantly shorten the lives of what could be incredibly long lives with reliability. I don't believe I'm alone in not wanting to pollute the air, but the OEMs need to come up with emissions systems that are: 1. Way less complex(I think there are no less than 12 plugs on my Ford exhaust) 2. Easily serviceable by a home mechanic. 3. Non detrimental to the life of the engine(think EGR feeding soot back into the engine). In 2027 they want even stricter emissions? These bureucrats love to make rules about things they know nothing to little about. It's like when you hear some of them talk about firearms... it's crystal clear that some(not all) have never owned, shot, or been educated about firearms; yet they pat themselves on the back when they put inane restrictions on the American public. Have I thought of switching to gas and be done spending all this money? Sure; but there is something that is rarely brought up that is a sticking point to me: One thing I love about my truck is the fact that I have an aftermarket tank in the bed with an additional 45 gallons of fuel. That really boosts the range of my truck a great deal. Yes, I could do an auxiliary tank with a gasser, but.. personally, I feel much more comfortable with an additional tank full of diesel in the bed behind me than a tank full of gasoline. Call me paranoid, that's how I feel.

[@joshuaquilliam2887]

That doesn't even account for the massive mines they need to pull these rare minerals from. Exactly why a new truck is over 100k.

[@jimbradd2783]

Epa is history 😊