Can You Lose Your Salvation (W/ Dr. Frank Turek)

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Do objective moral truths exist? If so, are there any good examples? More importantly, how can we explain their existence? Can objective moral truths emerge from the laws of physics, or is an objective, personal, moral law giver a better explanation? In this stage presentation from an apologetics conference, J. Warner examines the evidence for the existence of objective moral truth.

[@bshirah]

If you're unworthy to earn salvation, then how could you possibly be worthy enough to sustain it?

[@ccchhhrrriiisss100]

Good point. However, I think that the question isn't whether or not you can "lose," "earn" or "sustain" something. The question is whether or not you can abandon, forsake or leave your part of this new covenant. A covenant, after all, is a binding agreement made between two or more parties. It's like a marriage covenant between a husband and wife. This is why God hates divorce. In terms of covenants, God's part of a covenant is ETERNAL. He will not forsake his part. He will always extend his part to those he enters into covenant with. Still, the question is whether human beings who come to Christ are capable of abandoning the covenant. In the old covenant, it was entirely clear that they could -- and God's elect (i.e., the "Chosen People") did quite a few times (which ultimately led to captivity). Early on, it happened at Peor just before God's people entered the Promised Land. Balaam (that "prophet-for-hire") taught a foreign king that God could not pour out wrath upon his people UNLESS they had forsaken the covenant. So, the king of the Amorites sent women to entice many of the Israelites to forsake the covenant by engaging in immorality and idolatry. The wrath of God -- via a plague -- ensued. Many thousands headed to the Promised Land died. However, that was under the OLD covenant. The question today is whether or not there is responsibility of believers in the NEW covenant. What must we do to be a part of this new covenant? Obviously, we must believe in Christ Jesus. By the cross, ALL PEOPLE are all drawn to Christ Jesus (John 12:32-33). However, it is not enough to simply believe (because even the demons believe...and tremble) but to have unwavering faith in Christ. After all, the writer of Hebrews said, "And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must BELIEVE THAT HE EXISTS and that HE REWARDS THOSE WHO SEEK HIM" (Hebrews 11:6 ESV). That word "seek" is translated as "diligently seek" in the KJV and "earnestly seek" in the NIV. The Greek verb (ekzēteō) differs from other more prevalent word for of "seek" (i.e., "zēteō") because this "ek" prefix conveys earnestness and diligence. Moreover, the word is a verb in the form of a present participle. It's not that you once sought him...but that you (presently) diligently seek him. Is it possible for someone to ever STOP believing and/or seeking God? In the end, the New Testament teaches that unbelievers cannot enter the Kingdom of God. We also know that sin is always at the door -- and humans are incapable of being "sinless" while living in this earthly flesh. It is just as true now as it was under an old covenant in which sacrifices for sin were a regular part of the life of God's people. However, we have an eternal atonement made for our sins by Christ's sacrifice. So, that promise of atonement is ETERNAL. However, this still begs the question for whether someone can abandon/forsake/leave the covenant (the same Hebrew word is used for this concept in the old testament). Can someone who once believed wholeheartedly in Christ ever stop believing? Can someone who was devoted to seeking the Lord ever stop seeking?

[@reign5276]

You don't sustain it, Jesus does. He continually intercedes on our behalf. Once you understand the blood covenant from the ancient near East practises you'll know why it won't make sense to try and earn something once the sacrifice has already been offered.

[@EddieFews]

Because the Holy Spirit has come into to guide you into the ways of righteousness. Zechariah 4:6 So he answered and said to me: “This is the word of the Lord to Zerubbabel: ‘Not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit,’

[@geoculus5606]

Great way to put it.

[@snackyxchan]

This is great. Going to use this

[@ervinmatela1727]

I love to see these guys together. GOD bless brothers

[@tilewajohnson4427]

I like how they keep it alive and banter each other but accepting it as fun.

[@thedaftcon]

James 5:19-20 tells us a saved soul can turn away. The victory there is turning them (Bretheren) back to God, saving a soul from death. Apostasy is real

[@elijahrodgers416]

Yes, the once saved always saved idea is used like an indulgence by some. They feel safe to do whatever they want because they believe they cannot lose salvation through rebellion. Rebellion and apostasy is found throughout the Bible. I think the Bible is abundantly clear on the matter.

[@antonkoivisto2999]

Soul can, and is refering to physical life. Not all verses are about spiritual salvation. One can sin oneself to death in this life and still be saved.

[@Immolatiel777]

#BiblicallyUneducated

[@Qu9ke]

That is only interpretation at best. Multiple translations like the KJV, ESV, and others even specifies saying saving their souls from death. Death of one’s soul is more than just physical.

[@Eben_Haezer]

@@antonkoivisto2999 You are being deceived. No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him. 1 Jn 3:6. If you are not abiding in Christ you'll die. We have to be IN Him. It's possible to sin for a believer. But if you keeps on sinning that means you are getting away from Christ not abiding

[@Terrylb285]

Salvation is a completed act done by our creator, He saved us while we hated him and were enemies against him. He who began a good work will complete it.

[@REDJR22]

Terry, I am in agreement with you. Be blessed.

[@justnii2056]

He didn't save us without our permission and never will

[@toddstracke9267]

@@justnii2056you’re comfortable saying that God didn’t actually save anyone through the cross of Jesus, but only made people “savable”, because ultimately God can’t save without man allowing Him to?…

[@malcolm716]

@@justnii2056 My people perish because of a lack of Knowledge Our Salvation is revealed to us….

[@LiveinTruth-vp2wm]

Amen Glory to God 🙏

[@trinny881]

Hello! Jesus tells us we must endure till the end to be saved Matthew 24:13 KJV

[@slightlyup3485]

We are called to be faithful! Not by my own doing but by allowing God's grace to overpower the sin problem. It's about submission to God. Not about trying to overpower the problem of sin which we can't do on own own. I still battle the question about losing salvation. Seeing how easy it is to receive with a true repentant heart but some of those people still turn and run from God. Hebrews talks about it more than any book. Mainly Hebrews 6 4-6. Also we must never forget that there are requirements for our covenant with God. Simple. Not easy.

[@theignorantcatholic]

My 3.5yr old son listening to James Warner Wallace - "he's talking about dying", "no, we don't die in the dirt!"

[@JC-du6sn]

Look up Within Heaven's Gates by Rebecca Springer. Page 64 😇

[@moonstruck336]

oh man, I needed this so much today ! Thank God for sending this to me ! God bless you guys !

[@ccchhhrrriiisss100]

The question isn't whether or not you can "lose" something. The question is whether or not you can abandon, forsake or leave your part of this new covenant. A covenant, after all, is a binding agreement made between two or more parties. It's like a marriage covenant between a husband and wife. God's part of that covenant is ETERNAL. He will not forsake his part. The question is whether human beings who come to Christ are capable of abandoning the covenant. In the old covenant, it was entirely clear that they could -- and God's elect (i.e., the "Chosen People") did quite a few times (which ultimately led to captivity). Early on, it happened at Peor just before God's people entered the Promised Land. Balaam taught the foreign king that God could not pour out wrath upon his people UNLESS they had forsaken the covenant. So, the king of the Amorites sent women who engaged in immorality and idolatry with many of the Israelites. The wrath of God -- via a plague -- ensued. Now, the question is whether or not there is responsibility of believers in the NEW covenant. To be a part of this new covenant, we must believe in Christ Jesus. However, it is not enough to simply believe (because even the demons believe...and tremble) but have unwavering faith in Christ. After all, the writer of Hebrews said, "And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must BELIEVE THAT HE EXISTS and that HE REWARDS THOSE WHO SEEK HIM" (Hebrews 11:6 ESV). Is it possible for someone to ever STOP believing and/or seeking God? In the end, the New Testament teaches that unbelievers cannot enter the Kingdom of God. We also know that sin is always at the door -- and humans are incapable of being "sinless" while living in this earthly flesh. It is just as true now as it was under an old covenant in which sacrifices for sin were a regular part of the life of God's people. However, we have an eternal atonement made for our sins by Christ's sacrifice. So, that promise of atonement is ETERNAL. However, this still begs the question for whether someone can abandon/forsake/leave the covenant (the same Hebrew word is used for this concept in the old testament). Can someone who once believed wholeheartedly in Christ ever stop believing? Can someone who was devoted to seeking the Lord ever stop seeking?

[@sidwhiting665]

I agree with the panel's response. Those who supposedly "abandon" their faith never were truly saved to begin with. Sure, outwardly they may have looked, talked, and acted the part.... but when the heart is transformed by the Holy Spirit, are we saying he just didn't do a good enough job on some people? God forbid we should ever say the Holy Spirit's work is not sufficient! This goes back the the parable of the sower and the four types of soil. Two of the four will produce the outward appearance of salvation (i.e. a beautiful plant springs up quickly), but when the worries of the world or the scorching heat of persecution arise, their outward works shrivel up and die. That's why when former so-called "Christians" say they've deconstructed their faith, I don't think they really mean it. They likely never believed at all, but for reasons they found convenient, they pretended to be Christian, possibly even deceiving themselves about their sincerity for a time. I've seen people do this in many other areas of life. There's no reason to believe that we can't deceive ourselves about faith. How could a person who truly understand how lost he/she is and trusts in Christ's mercy as the only solution ever say... "Nah, that's not for me." Either one of two things happened: they never truly understood how lost they are (lacked true conviction, and so eventually turn back to self for answers) or they were convicted and fell into despair (never truly regenerated).

[@jayguison480]

@@sidwhiting665even a person who truly understands how lost they are l, still have the capacity to fall in unbelief. Ive seen and heard many who truly believed and was swayed by other reasoning or circumstances. Apostasy is Real thing, that’s why Paul warned the gentile in Romans 11 that you too can be cut off from the branch if you stop believing just the like Israel. Gods part is true in Salvation, it’s finished and done. But man has to receive and Man can abandon the gift he was given.

[@MYLORDANDSAVIORJESUSCHRIST]

​​@@sidwhiting665 yeah I would say if someone says they were a Christian and now isn't a Christian I truly believe they never actually believed wholeheartedly in the first place, you can't tell me someone is actually born again, understands and knows that's Jesus died on the cross for our sins. Knows that we're saved by grace through faith, and also knows that if it weren't for Jesus we would have to pay the penalty for our sins all by ourselves, Would ever actually want to give up their relationship and salvation with God and say "I don't want to accept Gods free gift anymore" and ultimately would want to rather accept hell instead of heaven after "believing" in Jesus and having the holy Spirit. As a believer I literally couldn't imagine forfeiting my salvation even when I never deserved it in the first place glory be to God the father for sending his son Jesus to die on the cross for my sins even when I was a sinner Amen❤️❤️

[@sidwhiting665]

@@jayguison480 I hear what you're saying and am familiar with Paul's warning in Romans 11. That said, I'm also familiar with John's statement in 1 John 2:19. They went out from us because they never were of us. If they were of us, they would have stayed with us. I'm also familiar with Ephesians 1:13-15 which says the Holy Spirit is our guarantee that once we believe we are sealed with his power and guaranteed to obtain the inheritance of life. And one of the most blessed passages, Romans 8:38-39 which says nothing in all creation can separate us from the love of God which is ours in Christ. I'm not sure which passages you're relying on explicitely. Romans 11 also describes how God's call is "irrevocable", suggesting it cannot be undone once it is done. that would make God's call ineffectual and subject to change. This is where I believe we have to let Scripture interpret Scripture rather than relying on human logic. I've always understood Romans 11 to be about how the Gentiles as a group were extended the same grace as the Jews, that they too could now participate as part of God's chosen people. It's a call back to the OT concept that was exclusive to Israel, but now includes all peoples of all nations. It's a reminder not to rely on one's heritage or ancestry. I do not believe it pertains to individual believers who have been born again. If you wish to say how you came to your conclusion, I'd be interested to hear it.

[@pcdeltalink036]

@@sidwhiting665 This is my perspective as well. I've seen some of the work Christ has done in my life (not to mention the lives of others). There is no way I would EVER consider abandoning the faith. You'd have to kill me first. I agree with Peter in John 6:68 when he said “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life." It's either Jesus or it's no one.

[@BaronReed-rj9rz]

It boils down to believing/loyalty and trusting/love..

[@brianm2238]

Paul said…”lest after I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway”.

[@ichernichenko]

This is the problem with preaching out of context. What I can see is calvinism and it's thoughts only survive if you take verses and look ONLY at those verses...what Turek forgets those is that you do not get salvation. Salvation is in Christ. If you abandon Christ and go the way of the world, you do not have salvation. That is why there are just as many if not more passages about slipping away, and it's punishment being cut off from Cheist and His body. You can't just take the parts about how faithful God is and forget all the parts about how just and serious He is about our obedience to Him and try to explain it away.

[@michaelc7418]

You said: "what Turek forgets though is that you do not get salvation. Salvation is in Christ. If you abandon Christ and go the way of the world, you do not have salvation." -> The Bible is clear that someone gets eternal life (salvation) the moment they believe in Jesus. He that believes on Christ "Hath" (present tense) everlasting life. The record that God gave of his Son that we are to believe is "God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son." Those are John 6:47 and 1 John 5:10-13. 2 Timothy 1:8-9 and Titus 3:5-7 show that Paul addressed believers as already having been saved by God. Hebrews 10:10-14 is clear that the moment we are sanctified we're "perfected for ever", meaning Once Saved Always Saved is true. Jude 1:1-2 shows that Paul addressed believers as "them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ." ------------------------------ John 6:47 - Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. ------------------------------ 1 John 5:10 - He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 1 John 5:11 - And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 1 John 5:12 - He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 1 John 5:13 - These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. ------------------------------ 2 Timothy 1:8 - Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God; 2 Timothy 1:9 - Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, ------------------------------ Titus 3:5 - Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Titus 3:6 - Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; Titus 3:7 - That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. ------------------------------ Hebrews 10:10 - By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. Hebrews 10:11 - And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: Hebrews 10:12 - But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; Hebrews 10:13 - From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. Hebrews 10:14 - For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. ---------------------------- Jude 1:1 - Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called: Jude 1:2 - Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied. ----------------------------

[@ichernichenko]

@michaelc7418 you had a lot of scripture, some of it not talking about what we are. You need to learn the language and way the Bible talks. For example Jesus said. Those that believe in Me will not die...now do you see Christians living endless lives? So did Jesus lie? No. You just need to understand what He is talking about. He says those that die He will raise again. Well what does He mean about the not dieing part?...well He was referring to the rapture, when He comes to take His people. Those that are alive will change like Peter and Paul say and will be lifted up to meet Him in the clouds so the that is when Jesus's words will be fulfilled. Those people will Never die. While the rest of us for the last 2,000 years have passed away. Same thing here you can not look at the Bible in the context of a few passages to be able to understand the entire thing. . The deciples did that mistake when Jesus talked about eating His flesh. That is a weird thing to hear. But trust and time would have shown different things. Jesus said He is the life, the truth, and the way. Jesus is life. Do a deeper dive and you will see that everlasting life with God is only in Jesus and not outside it. When the Bible says we have it, it is true, but do you know why? Because we have Jesus in us. He enters our heart through faith and baptism with the Holy Spirit. That is why there are places in the Bible telling us. Remain in His love, remain in His word, Remain in Him. It's telling out that because you can go outside of it and one of the times like a branch that is dry, you might get cut off.

[@latstectshivhase3501]

​@@michaelc7418 I think linguistic context and differences are missing in your argument coz the Greek use continuous tenses ( eg if you continue believing or continue seeking/knocking/ asking) it's not a 1 time thing where if once you believed therefore you're saved for life. That's why Paul talked about running his race & keeping the Faith

[@andyv6299]

Those verses prove that you have to not just believe in christ but Believeth which is ongoing choice to put your faith in christ so if you choose to take your faith away from christ then your not believing any more and are not saved and if your faith is in a once saved always saved doctrine no mater how you live then you are blind and Luke warm which Bible says God will spit you out

[@ryanforkel7952]

If salvation is a gift, as scripture often refers to it, then it exists whether we receive it or not. In order to receive it we have to accept it. Conversely like a gift, we can reject the gift. Salvation still exists whether we accept it or not. It is our choice. Calvinism promotes the idea that once you get the gift you can’t reject it. That’s not supported by Paul or the other NT writers.

[@Justas399]

if you can lose your salvation then you will. Your salvation does not depend on you but on Christ. See John 10:27-30

[@IHIuddy]

So choosing to believe in what Jesus did, is that not something you do? By making a choice weather to believe or not?

[@bartleon]

Jesus: Matthew 5: 19 Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches [i]others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever [j]keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 “For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven. Luke 13: 23 And someone said to Him, “Lord, are there just a few who are being saved?” And He said to them, 24 “Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able. 25 Once the head of the house gets up and shuts the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock on the door, saying, ‘Lord, open up to us!’ then He will answer and say to you, ‘I do not know where you are from.’ 26 Then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets’; 27 and He will say, ‘I tell you, I do not know where you are from; depart from Me, all you evildoers.’ 1 John 2: 3 By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; 5 but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him: 6 the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked. Romans 2: 6 who will render to each person according to his deeds: 7 to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life; 8 but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation. 9 There will be tribulation and distress [e]for every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek, 10 but glory and honor and peace to everyone who does good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 11 For there is no partiality with God. 12 For all who have sinned [f]without the Law will also perish [g]without the Law, and all who have sinned [h]under the Law will be judged [i]by the Law; 13 for it is not the hearers [j]of the Law who are [k]just before God, but the doers [l]of the Law will be justified. 14 For when Gentiles who do not have [m]the Law do [n]instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having [o]the Law, are a law to themselves, 15 in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, 16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus. James 2: 12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty. 13 For judgment will be merciless to one who has shown no mercy; mercy [m]triumphs over judgment. 1 Peter 4: 17 For it is time for judgment to begin [l]with the household of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God? 18 And if it is with difficulty that the righteous is saved, [m]what will become of the godless man and the sinner? 19 Therefore, those also who suffer according to the will of God shall entrust their souls to a faithful Creator in doing what is right. Philippians 2: 12 So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling; 13 for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure. Jesus: Revelation 3: 4 But you have a few [a]people in Sardis who have not soiled their garments; and they will walk with Me in white, for they are worthy.

[@sotiriosnovatsis4529]

Christ also tells us that we are judged by our faith AND our works. So it does also involve us. We have free will.

[@Logic807]

Read the epistles and also of course what Jesus said. It appears that many will and many will not find salvation. Jesus said many will be surprised. One fallacy is to think we are saved, Jesus said we are on our way. It is a way, and a gate. A disciple journeys. Paul says on one instance, you ate nearer to your salvation. Indeed we are dependent, as Jesus said, abide in me, that is to say follow him, obey him, or be thrown away.

[@vianneymclaughlin5024]

Then you were never saved in the first place. I struggle all the time with certain sins ,but I’m holding on to my salvation. If you enjoy the sin and there is no remorse you most likely weren’t saved in the first place. But if you are aware and remorseful you are definitely saved. Remember Lot he was declared a righteous man even tho in his righteousness he was tormented day and night. He still struggled.

[@gerinja]

I love these brothers in Christ. God bless. Maranatha.

[@joeagostino74]

Great discussion gentlemen. Thank you for getting into the weeds of this very important & hotly debated topic. More of this please!

[@hatproduction6975]

What a great discussion room

[@barrytipton1249]

The greater question that seems to never get asked or answered is, "can you walk away from your salvation". I don't believe we can lose our salvation, but I also believe we have free will. This is a question not an argument.

[@atanaciobalmania3293]

Heb 10:26 ¶ For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, Heb 10:27 but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES.

[@alexz31cujo31]

Whats your point?

[@RichardM1366]

That scripture is misquoted as usual. It is about false converts who walk away. They are going back into the law and animal sacrifices. You cannot lose your salvation. If you could who would have it.

[@Darthrocker06]

@@RichardM1366 if they aren't real converts, what do they have to walk away from?

[@ciscocamero3587]

Buy what about apostasy, Bart Erhman is a prime example. Went to Bible seminary, became a pastor, knows scripture. But for some reason turned away from the faith and now an atheist. What if a believer to save his own skin takes the mark of the beast to feed his family? What then? You cannot serve 2 Masters. In Revelations 22:19 it speaks of those who keep His commandments having access to the Holy City and the tree of Life. Tree of life is needed to sustain immortality is it not?

[@donaldong2043]

​@@RichardM1366Read this then ‭Hebrews 6:4-8 NKJV‬ [4] For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, [5] and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, [6] if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame. [7] For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God; [8] but if it bears thorns and briers, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned. It's not referring to "false converts"!

[@Rob9mm]

The folks in Matt that Jesus never knew did not trust on Him alone for salvation. They trusted in him + sin management. The demons believe God exists but do not believe unto Him for salvation.

[@musiccitymanpresents]

Because the demons can't believe unto Him for salvation. They knew Him before humans did, and they choose to rebel, their damnation was sealed from that moment, no salvation/forgiviness for them ever.

[@BlueGiantMedia]

True but to be fair demons can never get salvation anyway. Romans 5 and the first few chapters of Hebrews shows clearly that angels cannot partake in the substitutionary atonement.

[@radianteclipse113]

Exactly.

[@tedc4982]

That is not even close to being Biblical! Stop spewing lies like you know something.

[@tedc4982]

Is this 'Born Again?' “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation ; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.” II Corinthians‬ ‭5‬:‭17 "Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." - Matt 7:20 "Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples." - John 15:8 ------------ "… by their fruits ye shall know them." So the 'Symptoms' of being Born Again are 'bearing fruit?' "Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit." John 15:2 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire." - Matt 7:19 So, "Fruits" are apparently pretty important." "For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother." - Matt 12:50 "Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me." John 14:23,24 So someone actually 'Born Again' will be found DOING... the will and commandments of God..? So "Works" are part of what "Born Again" looks like? That's probably 'WHY...' James says, "For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also." - James 2:26 Yea…, I'll bet he's trying to tell us something…. Our 'Salvation' is absolutely an act of Grace and cannot be earned. However, being "Born Again" as a "Child of God" comes with responsibilities. (A… "Child of 'GOD'...") and "a heart of flesh" that moves us to do what is right before the eyes of the Lord without further prompting and micro-managerial commands. "He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; AND I WILL- NOT- BLOT OUT HIS NAME out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels." - Rev 3:5 You can never cancel out one N.T. scripture with another, they are complimentary not contradictory. "Born Again? "My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips." - Ps. 89:34 These are the WORDS of Jesus Christ from His own lips : (… and He's 'blotting out names'.) 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal." - Matt. 25:31-46 The Bible is written solely to the people who are going to hear and read it and have the heart to accept it - The Elect. "He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them." - John 12:40 The people the Lord is talking about BELIEVE… they are saved - but they are not. "21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." - Matt 7:21-23 ---------------------------- "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world." 1 John 4:1 Faith & Works do not contradict, 'works' are part of what "Born Again" looks like. "Worship in spirit and in truth." - John 4:24 No matter what 'deeper meanings' you believe you see in a scripture, and they go very deep, but they never contradict the face-value meaning of the verse(s) you are 'interpreting.' Let The Bible speak for itself - it never contradicts itself and Jesus Christ never subordinated HIS Word in His Gospels to Paul or anyone else… That would absolutely result in chaos. And it has. "My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips." - Ps. 89:34 "knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit." 2 Peter 20,21 That includes Churches, 'Scholars,' book writers and all of their conflicting doctrines and chaos without which there would be no "Christian Denominations." - 'Chaos.' "My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips." - Ps. 89:34 Let The 'Biblical Word' on the page speak for itself.

[@JoshLikesRoblox]

What I've heard many times is that no you can't lose your salvation, but you can lose the closeness you have with God,

[@BibleSamurai]

thats not in the Bible. Read the parable of the Sower and the seed. Thats the answer. These are all verses ppl you to promote their pro or against eternal security but all of them are to be understood with one question.......which soil is this? Matthew 24:13 John 15:6 Romans 11:17-22 Galatians 5:4 John 6:37-40, 47 John 8 John 10 John 10:27-29 John 14:16-17 Romans 8:38 Romans 10:9 Romans 11:29 Ephesians 1:12-14 Ephesians 4:30 Philippians 1:16 Colossians 3:3 1 Peter 1:3-5 1 Peter 1:23 1 John 5:1,13 Jude 1:24-25 Hebrews 3:12 Hebrews 6:1-8 Hebrews 10:26-27 1 Timothy 1:19 1 Timothy 4:1 1 Timothy 5:15 2 Timothy 2:12 2 Timothy 4:3-10 James 5:19-29 1 John 1:7 II Peter 3:1-18 Jude 1:5 Jude 1:12

[@stevnreed7763]

Finally someone asking this question

[@russellcurtis6334]

Hebrews ch.10 tells us that by one offering, we are perfected forever. “Forever” is a pretty strong word to use that should put any doubts to rest. Once you are saved, you are saved for good.

[@Icebergslim333]

How then do you explain verses 26 and 27 of that same chapter? Not arguing btw, I'm legit curious as I've wrestled with this for a long time.

[@jareddevine8813]

2 Peter 1:10-11 KJV Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure... Gal. 5:1-5), be "cut off" from salvation (Rom. 11:18-22), have their names removed from the Lamb's Book of Life (Rev. 22:19), by committing certain sins and not repenting of them (cf. Eph. 5: 3-5; 1Cor. 6:9; Gal. 5:19, Rev. 21:6-8). Salvation is sure through Jesus but all because we say a prayer and believe in God is not enough.

[@heckbr2]

@@jareddevine8813read the next 2 verses in 1 Cor. 6: “and that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.” The Corinthians were carnal Christians. Paul called them believers even though they were living these sinful lifestyles. He’s reminding them that they now have the righteousness of Christ imputed to them and are no longer judged by their sinful works. That’s how God used to see them. Keep reading in verse 12. Just because they have freedom in Christ doesn’t mean they can live however they want. They should live for Christ now and confirm their calling, which is what you quoted in 1 Peter. It doesn’t mean we can lose salvation once we have it, because we got it as a free gift and received it by believing. We can’t keep it by doing good works (Paul condemns this in Galatians). Justification positionally before God is always by grace through faith in Christ. Never by works, because if it was, it’s no longer grace.

[@TheKingdomWorks]

I have yet to see anyone who believes in eternal security do a verse by verse exegesis of the book of hebrews. It would be helpful because taken at face value, you can definitely lose something that sounds like our salvation

[@theologygeekgal]

Another strong argument for salvation assurance is additionally in Hebrews 10, and sadly, that passage has been used to scare people. In 10:26-29, instead of reading this dire warning in context, preachers teach this is proof of salvation loss. If one "goes on sinning willfully" is defined within a few verses. "ANYONE who has set aside the law of Moses dies...how much severed punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God...( in other words who HAS NOT RECEIVED the final offering that forever perfects those who trust in Jesus, the Lamb of God). Misunderstandings of this and other passages plagued me for years. But thank God, I have found peace through proper discernment.

[@wbaukema]

So 'Faith, Hope and Love abide these three, but THE GREATEST of these is LOVE'... 1Cor.13:13

[@geronimocrazyhorse]

Should've asked them to defend 'once saved, always saved' in light of: Hebrews 6:4-6 NKJV For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, [5] and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, [6] if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.

[@aaronharlow2137]

God cannot take away your salvation. You can withdraw it. It's up to us. We are saved if we accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior. The minute we reject Him (fall away), we reject our Him as our Lord, thus rejecting our salvation.

[@sidwhiting665]

@@aaronharlow2137 Not a very comforting thought, is it? So ... what do you think? 1) Are you saved? 2) Is there anything in all the world--especially something you've never experienced before--that could cause you to lose your salvation? 3) If so, then what work must you do to keep your salvation, and is that a credit to you for having done it? "“ In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.” - Ephesians 1:13-14

[@DomusQueen89]

The way I interpret this is that "falling away" is deciding to stop believing. To make a conscious decision to walk away from him and turn your back on him knowingly. We couldn't be good enough to gain salvation .... we aren't good enough to hold onto salvation either.. .no works are good enough. There would be no point for Jesus to die for our sins, if even after his sacrifice and accepting him, asking forgiveness and believing he is lord, you just lose it by being human. If you keep faith and love him, he never forsakes you. That's what I believe.

[@dman7668]

​@aaronharlow2137 please explain what Hebrews is talking about then. You can't do that because it doesn't fit any other interpretation

[@BibleSamurai]

@@aaronharlow2137 once saved always saved ppl dont even believe you can withdraw it; as you call it.

[@999slave9991]

Some amazing answers and men on that stage!

[@danwhetstone9804]

Are we not free moral agents before receiving salvation? Do we loose that freedom to choose after receiving salvation? Can we not still choose to reject Christ after we have been justified?

[@DoTxJ]

Thoroughly enjoyed this video!

[@sinclairj7492]

Oh, Dr. Turek is here 👍🏽

[@lunchboxadams4048]

Salvation comes when we realize how badly we need to be saved.

[@IHIuddy]

How does one realize this?

[@Loud86977]

Salvation comes when you trust in Christ. Acts 16:30-31 He then brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved-you and your household.”

[@johnmadsen37]

No.

[@LoriDRBlake]

Salvation comes from grace alone, faith alone, belief in Christ alone.

[@rocketscientisttoo]

Really? I think Jesus would disagree.

[@thomasfryxelius5526]

Paul said "If we deny Him, He will deny us" The apostle Paul knew that if anyone, even himself, would turn from Christ they would be lost. And he also says to the galatians that if they accepted the false Gospel, they were "fallen from grace" and "severed from Christ" Yes, a person can be saved and later be lost. That's what severed from Christ means. Let's take this warning to heart and be faithful to Christ until the end.

[@lozferris1719]

I have read in Acts that Ananias and Sapphira lost their salvation; they even had the Holy Spirit.

[@micahspiers353]

Still looking for a satisfactory explanation of Hebrews 6. Every OSAS believer I have come across, has seemed to dance around this passage. It appears to me that you can lose your salvation, but only once. Would genuinely love a OSAS believer to exegete Hebrews for me 6 if you see it differently.

[@TheKingdomWorks]

The whole books needs the treatment and the fact that it seems to not have been done is telling. Main reason why Luther wanted it gone. If anyone has a series taught by anyone, I would love it

[@sidwhiting665]

Hebrews 6 is addressing the issue of false converts. They may have tasted some of the good things associated with genuine faith in God, such as fellowship time with believers, comfort from sorrows, and even material blessings.... but in the end they never were crucified to the flesh and raised again spiritually. They are rather the two types of soil in the Parable of the Sower: the rocky soil and the thorny soil. The Gospel showed some fruit in their lives, but they were never rooted deeply in the soil of Christ. When persecution and worldly troubles came, they shriveled up and died. This is particularly troubling, because as that passage says, "Hey, you KNEW everything you needed to know. You had the head knowledge about God. You even got some of the good things that come with following him... but in the end, you never really trusted him." There's no going back once you willfully, fully, utterly, and unrepentantly reject the things of God. The Good News is, like the Prodigal Son, the character of the Father is what matters, not how bad the son behaves. No, we should not sin. We should be, as Paul says in Romans, dead to sin and alive in Christ. But outwardly, we may sin repeatedly and stubbornly for many years before--as the parable says--remembering the good things of God. Then we return in repentance, and the Father is rich in mercy and love to forgive before we even formally ask. Hebrews is advanced theology, no doubt. But if we let Scripture interpret Scripture (always the best idea), there are far too many places where God gives assurance of a promise that isn't based on our efforts. Even in Hebrews 6, the latter half of the chapter is about how faithful God was to Abraham in spite of how many times Abraham sinned by rebelling against God. We have to be careful, lest we add in our works to the process of salvation. Works confirm our salvation and serve the kingdom. They do not earn it, not even one bit. Paul is clear on this.

[@mikhail_titov]

The key is in the title of the book - "Hebrews". It applies doctrinally to Jews in the tribulation, not saved believers in the Church age.

[@christalonepodcast]

If I could lose my salvation, I would lose it all the time!! Also, how many times can you be born again?

[@ga8rielsMsg]

This was amazing

[@BFM777]

Paul said he ran the race and HE kept the faith, you have your part to play, Jesus will hold us if we continue to hold him yes he chases yes he warns but ultimately we are free will beings and we must endure till the end, the bible talks about a falling away, you can’t fall away if you were never there in the first place, too many are at ease and comfort and that’s a dangerous place to be, the old testament is filled with examples of men who once were in the faith who went astray. Again Jesus said he that endures to the end he didn’t say I’ll endure for you. This is a war folks demons are real the devil is still at large seeking whom he may devour many still are duped by his tactics and think they’re ok, just like the frog sitting in the lukewarm water slowly being cooked.

[@stanburton3719]

The question I hear asked most often in Calvinist circles is, "How can I know that I am saved?" or stated another way, "What assurance do I have that I am saved?". Non-Calvinists never ask that question and I think there is a reason.

[@BFM777]

Calvinism takes away man’s free will. Therefore making God only able to save certain individuals which is disgusting. Jesus said if ANY man come after me let him take up his cross and follow me.

[@takeeverythoughtcaptive]

Calvinist or not, the humblest Christians are the ones who are the most astounded that God saved such sinners as they. God's electing love is so scandalous. Why me? We must continue asking that. God is so, so good.

[@whitenoises230]

Well, from Romans 10:9-10, once you believe that Jesus being God, died was buried and resurrected then you are saved.

[@14jefecito]

@@BFM777who are we to decide who gets saved .. a sovereign God doesn’t need anyone’s permission to save whom he pleases out of PURE GRACE . Or do you not believe in a sovereign God ? What does he owe US ?

[@tedc4982]

Is this 'Born Again?' “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation ; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.” II Corinthians‬ ‭5‬:‭17 "Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." - Matt 7:20 "Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples." - John 15:8 ------------ "… by their fruits ye shall know them." So the 'Symptoms' of being Born Again are 'bearing fruit?' "Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit." John 15:2 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire." - Matt 7:19 So, "Fruits" are apparently pretty important." "For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother." - Matt 12:50 "Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me." John 14:23,24 So someone actually 'Born Again' will be found DOING... the will and commandments of God..? So "Works" are part of what "Born Again" looks like? That's probably 'WHY...' James says, "For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also." - James 2:26 Yea…, I'll bet he's trying to tell us something…. Our 'Salvation' is absolutely an act of Grace and cannot be earned. However, being "Born Again" as a "Child of God" comes with responsibilities. (A… "Child of 'GOD'...") and "a heart of flesh" that moves us to do what is right before the eyes of the Lord without further prompting and micro-managerial commands. "He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; AND I WILL- NOT- BLOT OUT HIS NAME out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels." - Rev 3:5 You can never cancel out one N.T. scripture with another, they are complimentary not contradictory. "Born Again? "My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips." - Ps. 89:34 These are the WORDS of Jesus Christ from His own lips : (… and He's 'blotting out names'.) 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal." - Matt. 25:31-46 The Bible is written solely to the people who are going to hear and read it and have the heart to accept it - The Elect. "He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them." - John 12:40 The people the Lord is talking about BELIEVE… they are saved - but they are not. "21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." - Matt 7:21-23 ---------------------------- "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world." 1 John 4:1 Faith & Works do not contradict, 'works' are part of what "Born Again" looks like. "Worship in spirit and in truth." - John 4:24 No matter what 'deeper meanings' you believe you see in a scripture, and they go very deep, but they never contradict the face-value meaning of the verse(s) you are 'interpreting.' Let The Bible speak for itself - it never contradicts itself and Jesus Christ never subordinated HIS Word in His Gospels to Paul or anyone else… That would absolutely result in chaos. And it has. "My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips." - Ps. 89:34 "knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit." 2 Peter 20,21 That includes Churches, 'Scholars,' book writers and all of their conflicting doctrines and chaos without which there would be no "Christian Denominations." - 'Chaos.' "My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips." - Ps. 89:34 Let The 'Biblical Word' on the page speak for itself.

[@rexchaplin-jw7kj]

I think Mathew chapter 7 is referring to works, those people were relying on works to save them instead of grace. That's why they said we did all these things in your name, then Jesus said depart from me!! In other words your works can't save you, only believing gives you eternal life.

[@candyDander]

Helpful video.

[@dh1335]

Therefore knowing the goodness and the severity of God, on those that fell severity, but toward thee goodness, if thou continue in thy goodness, otherwise thou also shall be cut off. The good news is that you can be grafted back into the vine. Don’t be fooled by these false teachers. You betray the Lord if you go back to your sin!

[@thetruthhurts7808]

Were they broken off because of sin or because of unbelief?

[@jamiespinks3657]

If you can't lose your salvation then what is the meaning of Matthew 24:13??

[@sidwhiting665]

Reading in context, it appears that the question is one of sorting the wheat from the chaff. Human beings are incredibly good at deceiving ourselves as to our own motives and intentions. I consider the Parable of the Sower: there are four kinds of soil that the seed of the Gospel falls on. Two of the four (shallow rocky soil and thorny soil) allow the plant to grow for a time. It may look GREAT outwardly, but it has not root in Christ. When persecutions or worldly worries come up, then those plants shrivel and die. Take for example many of the so-called Christian pastors, podcasters, and music artists that have fallen away in recent years. They may have had all the outward signs of salvation: leading a large church, writing amazing worship songs, giving solid Biblical teaching, but they themselves may never have been truly convicted, repented, and put their faith, hope, and trust in Christ. Odds are they probably thought they were sincere, at least for a time. As 1 John says, "They went out from us, because they were not of us, for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us." The lesson I learn is that looks can be very deceiving, even to the person who is putting on the deception. Enduring to the end is the confirmation that we are saved. The trick is... we don't know in this lifetime who will endure to the end. The confidence of the faithful is that we trust in God's word, that he WILL carry us through to the end. Even in our doubts, fears, and trembling.... we turn to him. It may take time, but eventually we turn back to him.

[@jessicabattenfield5575]

So I would ask the questions to myself if Jesus was talking about the Jews during the tribulation or the Gentiles before the rapture.

[@bikerboy9010]

Great question. Matthew 24:13 talks about how true Christians endure to the end. I don't believe that verse is talking about people losing salvation. I believe it's talking about how true Christians endure to the end. I believe that verse is talking about how you can tell whether someone is truly saved. When someone becomes saved, God changes them to where they aren't slaves to sin anymore (they still sin, still have sin struggles, etc, but they aren't slaves to sin anymore), they will persevere until the end, they will endure to the end, they'll always be saved, etc. Christians do backslide at times, but Christians endure, persevere, etc to the end in the faith and aren't slaves to sin anymore. Matthew 7 talks about how there's a lot of people who say "Lord Lord" but when they die, God tells them to depart from him due to him never knowing them. That verse isn't talking about people losing their salvation. The point of that verse is not everyone that claims to be a Christian is a Christian, and that God is not fooled into thinking someone's a Christian when they're not. God knows who's a Christian and who isn't a Christian. There's a lot of people in this world that claim to be Christians that aren't Christians. Some people think they can fool God into thinking that they're a Christian when they're not a Christian. There is a lot of evidence in the Bible that proves people can't lose their salvation. 1 John 5:13 talks about how you can know for certain that you have eternal life. If you can know for certain that you have eternal life, that' s strong evidence how you can't lose your salvation. 1 John 2:19 talks about how there's no such thing as an ex-Christian. If there's no such thing as an ex-Christian, that implies how people can't lose their salvation.

[@discipleex4589]

Cannot lose salvation but it apparently can be denounced based on Hebrews chapter 6 and chapter 10. However, the condition is based on someone mature in Christ which makes it nearly impossible unless someone became that deceived. Im still learning this but man God is awesome and i dont understand how someone who is sealed by the Holy Spirit could really renounce their faith without the Holy Spirit leading us back into the grace that is already provided through Jesus. God is just awesome and His very nature is love. If youre concerned about whether you went too far away from the Lord, you did not because your mind is not reprobate. You would not care but the fact that you do care shows the Spirit is working in your life. Be enocouraged brothers, God is good and will never leave you nor forsake you!

[@user-nl8jg1jj7d]

I have been in the once saved always saved camp, since I was radically transformed at the age of 27. When I became a new creation. it didn’t take me very long to realize that I’m in the minority. Thanks to teaching by Charles Stanley, Adrian Rogers, and many others. I have never wavered in once saved always saved. it’s very simple to me if you can lose your salvation how do you get it back? Good behavior. God came to save the sinner not the self righteous.

[@billerickson5604]

We would get it back tbe same way we first got it, repent and believe on Jesus.

[@ErA-el1je]

We have free will. We can break our part of our covenant with God. Its called divorcing God. Even though it's hard to walk completely away from God. He loves us so much he relentlessly chases us yet respects our free will.

[@darnellharris3794]

God doesn't Chase after anyone.He is ever present,thus giving us a free will

[@billmartin3561]

Eternal security, or “Once saved always saved” is an anti-biblical doctrine. Paul wrote to saved Christian’s and warned them they could lose their salvation (Cor 6:9-11; Gal 5:19-21; Ephesians 5:1-5). Further Paul qualified many of his salvation passages with words like “if” and “provided that” (Rom 11:19-22; 1 Cor 15:1-2; Gal 6:7-10; Phil 2:12-13; Col 1:21-23; Heb 3:12-14; and many more). And Paul was worried of his own salvation, should he fail to persevere which he knew was a possibility (1 Cor 9:24-27; 2 Tim 4:6; and many more). And even more important, our Lord Jesus Christ said “he who endures to the end will be saved” (Matt 10:22, Mark 13:13). And he gives parables like that of the sower, or the parable of the vine and branches, where clearly we must abide in him…meaning we can choose to NOT abide in him. Fortunately we can repent and change our ways. By avoiding mortal sin (1 John 5:17-17) we can have certainty of our salvation.

[@shaunbutler238]

What can you rebel against if youre unable to be lost? However, rebellion is a possibility - you cant rebel against a God you never knew.

[@YouBetterPreach]

The Holy Spirit seems to make it pretty clear for us... 1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,

[@yuunoaboi21]

Answered the first question so beautifully and used Logic "Its called eternal life for a reason"

[@paultrenteseaux8464]

Death, judgement, heaven, hell. The last two are for all eternity, yes, indeed. And many, nay, MOST, choose hell. Many are called, few are chosen, few say yes, I will serve.

[@EnochianChronicles]

Shalom aleichem (peace be unto you). Except the scripture was written in Greek and Hebrew not Latin or English. The Hebrew word is owlam, the Greek is aion, aionion or ainios, of which we have the English eon, eonion and eonios. The vulgate turned aion into aeternium then instead of eon made it eternal. Making this a non sequitor. Hebrew words are based on the root word and it's first appearance in scripture. What if some think they are saved when they are not, then they are convinced they cannot lose what they do not have, thinking they have and cannot lose what is not theirs. Better to ask are you really saved at all and how can you be sure, many are called and few chosen, the elect are chosen. But the many are not chosen, yet the many think they are because they were called. Even the chosen must be faithful, hence "These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful." Paul says clearly to the Galatians KJV "Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace." NIV "For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the law, you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from God’s grace." To be cut off you must be attached. To fall away you must have once been close and ascended. And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: for if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. "IF" you continue in goodness ....IF NOT /CUT OFF. Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway. What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin. Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? Because the carnal (flesh) mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. For the flesh craves what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are opposed to each other, so that you do not do what you want. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity, and debauchery; idolatry and sorcery; hatred, discord, jealousy, and rage; rivalries, divisions, factions, and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Who reigns in your body the Lord or sin? Enmity means the state or feeling of being actively opposed or hostile to someone or something (an enemy). Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end; You cannot serve 2 masters, you serve the one you choose to yield to, sin or grace? Disobedience is rebellion and witchcraft. Practice the acts of the flesh and you will not inherit the kingdom of God, do not let sin deceive you. You can depart from God (no he will never leave nor forsake us but we can freely leave at any time). So I EXHORT you HOLD FAST to the end and do not count the thing were by you are sealed as unholy!!! For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron. And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them? I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth? Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. Sinning willfully as opposed to falling into sin, you are not repentant if you sin willfully, you chose to freely and willfully sin and turn the grace of God into lasciviousness, thereby denying the Lord who bought you with his blood. You can depart from the faith and many will in these last days by being deceived about false doctrines and will depart. God will not stop you if you depart, you are free to choose, but God loves you and did everything he could to make a way for you (the straight and narrow path) but if you choose the broad path to destruction you will have no one else to blame. Amen and Selah, Maranatha!!!

[@lauromartinez8948]

He completely failed to use logic. What is eternal is the life not your possession of it.

[@lozferris1719]

[20]The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself. [21]“But if a wicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed, keeps all My statutes, and does what is lawful and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die. [22]None of the transgressions which he has committed shall be remembered against him; because of the righteousness which he has done, he shall live. [23]Do I have any pleasure at all that the wicked should die?” says the Lord God, “and not that he should turn from his ways and live? [24]“But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked man does, shall he live? All the righteousness which he has done shall not be remembered; because of the unfaithfulness of which he is guilty and the sin which he has committed, because of them he shall die. [25]“Yet you say, ‘The way of the Lord is not fair.’ Hear now, O house of Israel, is it not My way which is fair, and your ways which are not fair? [26]When a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, commits iniquity, and dies in it, it is because of the iniquity which he has done that he dies. [27]Again, when a wicked man turns away from the wickedness which he committed, and does what is lawful and right, he preserves himself alive. [28]Because he considers and turns away from all the transgressions which he committed, he shall surely live; he shall not die. [29]Yet the house of Israel says, ‘The way of the Lord is not fair.’ O house of Israel, is it not My ways which are fair, and your ways which are not fair? [30]“Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways,” says the Lord God. “Repent, and turn from all your transgressions, so that iniquity will not be your ruin. [31]Cast away from you all the transgressions which you have committed, and get yourselves a new heart and a new spirit. For why should you die, O house of Israel? [32]For I have no pleasure in the death of one who dies,” says the Lord God. “Therefore turn and live!” Ezekiel 18:20-32

[@Eben_Haezer]

Can you die should be the question. Romans 8:12-13 (ESV) 12 So then, brothers, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. 13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. Do you think Paul is talking about earthly death? It's about spiritual death. See what Jesus talk about Sardis Church . “ ‘I know your works. You have the reputation of being alive, but you are dead., Re 3:1.

[@normgardner4560]

Right on Jack...no verses about being UNsealed!!

[@dman7668]

Uh, yes, you can indeed loose your salvation. The Bible isn't talking about those who have endured to the end suddenly being lost, it's referring to those who did not make it to the end, were saved initially but did not complete justification.

[@thomasfryxelius5526]

I don't think the word unsaved is used, but here are some things the Bible say can happen: we can be severed from Christ, if we will not forgive someone, our heavenly Father will not forgive us (with a parable of a master revoking his pardon for someone), We can be fallen from grace, If we do not stand by faith, we will be broken off (from the tree), like the jews who rejected Jesus. And if we deny Him, He will deny us. Those who endure to the end will be saved. Do we take these warnings to heart, or accept a false security, saying that what the Bible warns can happen really can't happen?

[@MiguelaFernandez-mh4yb]

Grace Grace Grace! Where sin abounded, grace did much more abound!

[@joemachunda]

If I can do something to lose my salvation then there's something I can do to lose it. True believers can be out of fellowship because of sin.

[@Michael_the_Servant]

I understand the arguments for security of salvation, as well as that at least some seem to have been elected, but that doesn’t stop the fact that there are Apostates. One cannot become an Apostate if they first were not saved. We are saved by grace through faith. Many give up the faith and thus lose the grace of salvation. After the Resurrection and living the millennial reign, Satan is let back out of the pit. He takes people who have been Resurrected by Christ and lived 1,000 years and causes them to give up their salvation by grace in abandoning their Faith. If you truly were once saved always saved, Paul wouldn’t talk about finishing the race until the end.

[@antonkoivisto2999]

Is Paul talking about salvation, which is a gift or rewards?

[@johndibert5509]

If Paul finished the race poorly it doesn’t mean he was going to hell. He just wasn’t going to maybe hear well done good and faithful servant

[@Immolatiel777]

#Deceived

[@user-rc1bs1ke7e]

Philippians 1:6

[@aomine4500]

​@@johndibert5509Brilliant answer

[@atanaciobalmania3293]

Heb 6:4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, Heb 6:5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, Heb 6:6 and {then} have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame. Heb 6:7 For ground that drinks the rain which often falls on it and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God; Heb 6:8 but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned.

[@jeffouellette9946]

You can grieve the holy Spirit and lose salvation.

[@winnienyameba]

Love their relationship

[@mr.m4n446]

Jesus said 'I will never leave you nor forsake you', this doesn't mean YOU can't leave or forsake him. Yes. people can/do lose their Salvation.

[@lukefox01]

No you can't lose your salvation, to say people can is to say God is a liar. Romans 8:30, Romans 11:29 Romans 8:38&39, John 10:28&29. As1 John 2:19 says, those who depart from the faith were never a part of the faith in the first place.

[@beasthunt]

This question can inly be posed by people who are living ungodly and are hoping they can still make it to heaven when they die. Thats the only logical reason a person would ask this question. Can you walk away from God and end up in hell, hence "Lose your salvation?" Absolutely - Paul spoke of many who turned away from the faith. Other than that, can anything be taken from God? Absolutely not, he owns everything and all of creation is dirt beneath his feet. Nothing can remotely take something from God. If you belong to him, absolutely nothing but your free choices can separate you from God. Remember the list of things Paul said, "What can separate us from the live of God?" Notice he didn't mention self, choices, actions. He mentioned external things- because internal things can separate you from the love of God. Thanks to grace and free choice. With discernment, we can understand where this question stems from and it's not from a Godly mind or heart.

[@ejus777]

I HAVE A QUESTION 😁 (I look forward to the answer). If God gave us free will, then it means that we can choose whether to believe or not. If so, then we can also choose whether we want to KEEP ON believing or to STOP believing. So my question is "How come we can't lose our salvation?" If your answer is "Once we believe, we can't stop believing", then you're saying that all of the believers in Christ have lost their free will (turned into robots). Are we stuck in salvation? 🤔 Please give me an explanation 🙏🏼 May God bless us all ✌🏼

[@elsamusoy]

*YES! YOU CAN.*

[@pleasethankyou3869]

IN THE TRIBULATION.

[@TheRealTrucido]

How'd you come to that conclusion?

[@robertpetrisorcheres8174]

Everyone who is truly saved knows and remembers that moment clearly. How can one know the moment he lost his salvation? Then what is grace for? What is repentance for? What is God’s children chastazing for? God’s grace is far greater than our sins. My salvation is secure jn Christ, who pleads for me without ceasing.

[@NdifrekeEkim]

I respect Frank Turek as a matter of fact, I have been listening to him from 2007. Yes don't be deceived you can loose your salvation. Salvation is given to use when we accept Jesus sacrifice and turn away from our sin into roughness. But anyone who allows themselves return back to the place where they were saved by continuing in sin will not have salvation on the day of judgement except by mercy of God which says I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy on

[@ifiok-dan7926]

Only those who endure to the end shall be saved. Anyone who puts their hand to the plough and looks back is not fit to enter into the Kingdom of God. Jesus Christ

[@karltiedemann7222]

Did you take into consideration the context of that first verse. Context is crucial in finding out truth.

[@aarondowler2466]

The context is the 7year tribulation, not now. If ur there, then ur there because either u rejected Christ altogether or u never had a chance to except Him. Context can fix a lot of blunders.

[@bepreparedforwhatscoming4975]

@@aarondowler2466you are incorrect! Don’t get caught off-guard!

[@chrisp9500]

I'll admit, this conversation has me reconsidering my view. But Scripture seems to tell me that you can reject what you once had. Not "lose" it like oh where'd it go? But ignore, not follow etc. Matthew 13:18-23. Hebrews 6:4-9.

[@darwinjurado5141]

There are over 80 passages WARNINGChristians no to lose what they have in Christ. This is a consistent and ample teaching. These passages are not very difficult yet seem to pose difficulty for some reason??? "Behold the kindness and severity of God, to those who fell, severity, but to you, God's kindness. IF YOU CONTINUE in his kindness; OVERWISE YOU ALSO WILL BE CUT OFF." Romans 11:22 God does not desire nor intends to take his gift or salvation away. God does not take your freedom away and allows you still leave, walks away or trun down the inheritence he has in store for. If a Will has your name on it saying that you are the benificiary of a great inheritence, it's yours...however you can "disclaim" it and say no. Nobody has taken it away from you nor can they, however you have turned away and rejected what was rightfully gifted to you.

[@DannyLoyd]

It is because they do not understand what type of faith saves and they do not understand there are different works, works of the law and works of faith. There is no boasting in the law of faith, Romans 3:27

[@clark987878]

They all look so good! When was this!?

[@oshea2300]

Eternal life alone says it. If you have eternal life then that means it's eternal. It doesn't say temporary eternal life it says eternal eternal means never ending.

[@angelacastagna3824]

However, one may “think” ones has eternal life when in fact one may not have it.

[@lozferris1719]

This scripture clarifies things perfectly_ [20]The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself. [21]“But if a wicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed, keeps all My statutes, and does what is lawful and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die. [22]None of the transgressions which he has committed shall be remembered against him; because of the righteousness which he has done, he shall live. [23]Do I have any pleasure at all that the wicked should die?” says the Lord God, “and not that he should turn from his ways and live? [24]“But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked man does, shall he live? All the righteousness which he has done shall not be remembered; because of the unfaithfulness of which he is guilty and the sin which he has committed, because of them he shall die. [25]“Yet you say, ‘The way of the Lord is not fair.’ Hear now, O house of Israel, is it not My way which is fair, and your ways which are not fair? [26]When a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, commits iniquity, and dies in it, it is because of the iniquity which he has done that he dies. [27]Again, when a wicked man turns away from the wickedness which he committed, and does what is lawful and right, he preserves himself alive. [28]Because he considers and turns away from all the transgressions which he committed, he shall surely live; he shall not die. [29]Yet the house of Israel says, ‘The way of the Lord is not fair.’ O house of Israel, is it not My ways which are fair, and your ways which are not fair? [30]“Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways,” says the Lord God. “Repent, and turn from all your transgressions, so that iniquity will not be your ruin. [31]Cast away from you all the transgressions which you have committed, and get yourselves a new heart and a new spirit. For why should you die, O house of Israel? [32]For I have no pleasure in the death of one who dies,” says the Lord God. “Therefore turn and live!” Ezekiel 18:20-32

[@jonmanuelreyes7588]

Rev 22:19 “And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book” Take note, they were already in the book of life. Salvation is conditional.

[@achristian11]

Good video it comes down to if Jesus knows you! Give Him your life today. i pray, Lord I give you everything that I have and that I am, Use me for your glory Lord

[@richardgarcia3562]

What do you do with the verses on Apostasy?

[@sackclothministries9118]

If we could lose our Salvation, then everyone from all time would.

[@thomasfryxelius5526]

Why do you believe that? The reason I ask is that I have heard this claim often with no support given. I see in Scripture a clear warning about falling away, people who turn to a false Gospel are severed from Christ, those who deny Christ will be denied by Him, and if we will not forgive others God will not forgive us. To me it seems clear people can and do lose salvation. But why would I believe that if we could fall away we would? The Bible says instead that if we endure to the end in faith we will be saved.

[@phile.1381]

I didn't know that J. Warner Wallace was a homicide detective. I looked it up because I saw his firearm briefly flash into view when his jacket opened up once. I saw his badge also, but didn't know if that was an LEO badge until I saw the gun. They were safe there. 🙂

[@SpacePonder]

I tend to ask similar questions. It is often said that salvation is a gift. But can't a gift be rejected? For instance, if someone were to give me a birthday gift and I had a falling out with the giver, I might reject the gift. Not that I would do that, but it's just an analogy.

[@sikesr]

1 Peter 1:3 - "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead..." It's called GRACE and MERCY..🎉❤😊

[@claytonhall989]

Losing one’s salvation is not dependent on God, but on us. What I mean is if someone accepts Jesus Christ as their Lord and savior, then they are “saved.” However, what if that same person later decides that they enjoy sin more or would rather spend eternity separated from God? Would God force this person into His presence against their will?

[@user-nl8jg1jj7d]

John, 3:3, Ephesians 2:8-9, every believer is going to continue to sin. Judging can be a tricky situation. But if there is absolutely no change in a person’s life after they claim to become a believer. Then most likely they’re not a believer to begin with. That’s one of the dangers of growing up in the church. You take part and all the church activities. You have an emotional experience on a Sunday morning or at a camp. Everyone else is going forward so you go forward the person in front pronounces you saved. the only problem is you’re not saved and you only had an emotional experience. Any person who is truly born again would never choose to leave their heavenly father and go to hell. True, out of all the hundreds of millions of people in heaven there won’t be one single person there because they were forced to be there. If they were there, it would be like hell to them.

[@billerickson5604]

Love may compel, discipline, correct, BUT NO , LOVE DOES NOT FORCE. GOD IS LOVE

[@joshuapizarro3231]

Sure you can lose your salvation. Unless you’re willing to say that God forces you to stay once you get saved.

[@MichaelAChristian1]

What happened to Jonah? Why couldnt they go back to Egypt?

[@user-yu5fq1cl2e]

If salvation was something that we could loose then why does the Bible say you can’t? If the Bible is our source of truth then I would believe it before I believe anyone’s opinion. Second point…If salvation is something that we gain (fully) and then loose (completely) then what was the point of Jesus Christ death? Christ sacrifice sealed our fate as believers to be secured in heaven. If someone claims they lost their salvation then they never had it to begin with or they are under attack and deception from their own shame, guilt and outside spiritual attack!

[@mikebrown9850]

One doesn’t receive their “salvation” until they come up in the first resurrection at Christ’s return. Certainly one could lose out on that event. “He that endures to the end, the same shall be saved”(Matthew 24:13).

[@povoq83]

What if your father was Judas who betrayed Jesus, or the great evangelist Ravi Zacharias ? I can tell you you would definitively need to get to the bottom of this issue. I dont go with the Eternal life argument. Scripture definitively says you can lose your salvation in many many places. From the teachings of Jesus in the parables of the bad servent who knew the will of his master, to the teachings in the epistles, john15, Hebrews 6 and much more. As some comments point out. "If we could we would (lose salvation)". But that's not true. The main question becomes, how ? Because if the answer would be "because we sin", then we would all be lost. Many people came to the faith and many were even healed by those people. They definitively head the spirit who working from within them. It's way to easy to pretend afterwards that "they never really had the spirit". This debate was already in the churches at the time of the church-fathers. They pointed to the works of faith just like in James 2. Without works your faith has died. It was alive, now it's dead. (I really recommend James 2 because we criticize some denominations with scripture but this book is really for the protestants.) To resume the answer I've come to. It's the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. A kingdom against itself cannot stand. A christian against Christ cannot be saved. The sin of blasphemy against the Holy spirit is a sin only a newborn christian can commit. It's when you refuse the way of repentance but you justify your sinful practices. When you deliberately go back to ways of sin. When you tell the holy spirit to shut up when he warns you. And you persist in this behavior without repentance. You think you are a christian but your works are dead just as your faith because everything becomes a tool to serve your personal interest. Those people are not outsiders and not even apostates who can still return to God. They are their own God inside the church. They participate in the service, they are active like Ananias and his wife. They work for being seen as good workers. They are often the wolves inside who destroy the ministries of the churches. Look at Judas to understand. First his sin is that he took some money from the purse. That wasn't when he fell. But instead of listening to the warnings he gives in into his sin more and more. His loves for money grows, and the love of his master grows colder. At the end he betrays his master for money. To use the words of Paul, his faith had shipwrecked. (1Tim1.19) And then at one moment it it written : this is when Satan enters into Judas. He did in fact repent afterwards. But his repentance was not accepted. Didn't God eliminate the Israelites after saving them from Egypt ? The plague with the serpents killed "many" but with 2 other events we got the figures. 250000 descendent into hell when the earth opened before Sinaï and another 25000 just before they crossed the Jordan River. These events are given as warnings in the new testament for us ! (James v5) How do you know you are saved? When you put your faith to action and you see that the Holy Spirit uses you for his glory. You can be 90 years old lying in bed and still see how the Holy Spirit is working around you. But when you're active in church for your own glory your deeds have no value and you have a good reason to worry if something is going wrong. I know pastors and missionnaires who know exactly how to speak in church. They impress many people as they boast about how much they have done. But when you get to know them they are narcissists as defined by 2 Timothy 3. Get away from them, deliver them to satan so that they feel ashamed. Don't pray for them, don't eat with them. Don't accept any gift from them but regard it all as impure. (2Thess 3.14; 1John5:16; 1Tim 1:20)

[@patrickmccarthy7877]

I can't lose my gender, my skin color. I can't lose my American citizenship if I do nothing about it. I can't lose what I never had. The prodigal son probably came home more than once. I have. As long as my confidence is in Jesus, I'm not worried about it. The dad I knew loved me anyway.

[@doubledocable]

Amen 🔥

[@dman7668]

Patrick, you cannot loose that you are a human being, but you can indeed loose your salvation. Those things you talk about are things you have intrinsically. You are not intrinsically saved therefore you cannot logically conclude you cannot loose salvation. It's a stupid analogy Pat. You didn't think that bad idea through, because you listen to pastors that teach once saved always saved lies. They tickle your ear and you love being told what you want to hear.

[@barbaramartin9838]

I go to a Pentecostal church that believes you can walk away from salvation and blaspheme the holy spirit and be lost, I don't believe, any of it, what can I tell them.

[@HH-zx2lq]

Salvation is a gift and we are saved by Grace through faith and not of our works. Mathew is those after the tribulation

[@badgiles]

Question(s) about losing your salvation. 1. What does it take to lose it? We talking about a sin here and there or just basically deciding not to follow Christ anymore? I assume this is what is considered an apostate? By definition do we know that this only refers to those that were once saved? 2. If you can lose it, can you get it back?

[@paulcrotts4177]

2 Tim 2:15 we must Rightly Divide the word of truth. That means each verse u must ask who are they talking to and what time period. Paul was the apostle to the gentiles. Our doctrine is the revelation that Jesus gave him. Each verse has to be divided. Look up dispensation with Dr. Gene Kim. It will answer ever question. Instead of people trying to interpret which is not right, it shows u how to compare scripture with scripture. It changed my view yrs ago

[@maskofsorrow]

The question isn't whether or not you can LOSE your salvation but whether or not you can FORSAKE your salvation. They are very different questions, and there is strong Scriptural grounds for the latter being, that you can. Very rarely is the second question asked.

[@7Logik]

Rightly dividing the word of truth we see Paul’s gospel shows we are sealed until the day of redemption. (Ephesians )You cannot lose it . Every scripture he pointed out is outside of the revelation of the mystery . (Romans 16:25 )Roman’s through Philemon is Paul’s gospel in the dispensation of the grace of God . We are saved by grace through faith not of ourselves , for it is a gift of God ! The scriptures the young man presented are all outside Paul’s gospels on which they are not for the body of Christ church …

[@free2rhyme14]

it's by grace we are justified and by grace we are also sanctified.

[@ASL-cz9pj]

Jesus taught in the Lord's prayer and the parable of wicked servant that if we do not forgive we won't get God's forgiveness or we'll lose God's forgiveness. Doesn't it mean we can lose our salvation?

[@timothy4131]

Also I remember one time hurting running away from God I was sitting in front of a coffee shop in California with two beers drinking and a young man walked up to me and told me I was going to hell and it came out of me that I said no I'm not I go to heaven because of the nails that were driven in his hands and feet but this teaches me I got to keep getting up and keep fighting I miss it I get up and fight I miss it and keep getting up and I thank God in my boxing with the devil when I try to throw in the towel he throws it right back at me and just get in there thank you Jesus

[@jeffrey6618]

Repent

[@rexcatston8412]

The bible says you can be saved but doesn't actually state you can't lose it though The bible also says the gate to heaven is narrow but the gate to hell is wide....well for large parts of history up to half the world were christians and still 1/3 now roughly., thats billions of people.. well thats not a very narrow gate... thats a gate thats sometimes swung open as wide as the one to hell, so it really only makes sense if not everyone of them is being saved

[@antonkoivisto2999]

The gate is narrow because people can not see the Gospel. Their pride blindes them. OSAS is a minority division in Christianity. And what was said, many will seek it and few will find it. Pride stops people from trusting in Jesus and makes them think I can save myself or keep myself saved. If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

[@1Natalie111]

The road is narrow because they don't believe. All the world's religions and most of christendom believe in works. They trust in themselves and not Jesus basically.

[@EnochianChronicles]

Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. This is a NT warning that those saved in the OT who were saved afterwards stopped believing. You must contend for the faith by feeding it, faith comes by hearing the word, the enemy comes immediately to steal that word. Faith works by love and faith without works is dead, you must abide in that love and not abide in sin because whomsoever you serve is your master, either sin unto death or righteousness unto life. Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. You choose this day whom you shall serve by who you yield yourself to. Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;) And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, The enemy is looking to kill steal and destroy, he can and will steal your faith as the parable of the sower clearly warns you. Hold fast to you faith as you profess it or it can and will be taken, otherwise no reason to hold fast. If you sin willfully you, you choose to yield yourself to sin and reject the spirit of grace and of God. But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

[@MFaith777]

The gate is narrow because the gate is through one man- God manifest in the flesh-Jesus.

[@SAGKavin]

Once saved always saved is a pretty wide gate. interestingly, Jesus talks about false prophet in the same chapter, and declares, those who even miracles in the name of Jesus, they won't be saved because they didn't do the will of father.

[@ForItIsWritten4.4]

I think the question then turns into can one really lose their salvation or do we let go of it? If Christ is the atonement of our sins and the gift of salvation is without repentance, then we ourselves are the ones who reject it through our sin and rebelliousness. So technically we don’t lose salvation, we freely give it up the same way we freely once accepted it.

[@HChartierKJV]

Unsaved People love to mock Once Saved, Always Saved/Eternal Security of the Believer. Salvation is a 🎁 Gift. OSAS is what the Bible teaches. And if you believe you can "Lose" your Salvation, then you're not Saved and need to put 100% of your Faith in Jesus.

[@brotherdamien1804]

Because interpreting Scripture is subjective, I will state that, in my opinion, Scripture read in context, signals that it is possible to lose one's salvation.

[@antonkoivisto2999]

So you think truth is subjective?

[@BFM777]

Yeah God didn’t waste his time with warnings just for us to come to a conclusion that all is well just believe sit back and relax, Jesus said why do you call me Lord and don’t DO what I say. Many say Lord but don’t do the works that Jesus gives them, all his parables point to lazy half hearted phonies who will not be in his kingdom.

[@autumnfall1511]

But Jude says "Now unto him that is able to keep you from FALLING, and to present you FAULTLESS before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy"

[@lozferris1719]

The Bible is not open to interpretation! You either understand what is written or you don't. Jesus even says multiple times "He who has ears, let him hear"; when you write something, do you leave it open for interpretation, or, are you trying to convey a particular message?

[@MichaelAChristian1]

Remember the Name of Jesus. What does it mean?

[@HowAboutThat224]

If you can lose it, that means it’s not a free gift of grace and it’s works. It can only be one or the other.

[@billerickson5604]

Free gifts can be conditional.

[@samuelwerku7241]

On once saved only saved could someone contextually explain this verses for me: ‭2 Peter 2:20-22 [20] If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and are overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. [21] It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. [22] Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,” and, “A sow that is washed returns to her wallowing in the mud.”

[@job4391]

I don't think you can technically lose your Salvation. I say this because most people that think they are Saved actually are false converts and never had Salvation to begin with. I include myself in this statement. People want Jesus as the Savior but they miss the Lord part. You must do what your Lord tells you to do or hes not your Lord. You can't earn your way into Heaven, but your actions are a byproduct of Salvation and being born again. I say this with all fingers pointed at myself, I constantly question if I'm truly Born Again.

[@smazey2309]

Its the people who think they can’t lose their salvation are actually the people that think they deserve salvation

[@t2k234]

Why did he get pushed out after mentioning but before explaining Hebrews 6? Anyone have an explanation?

[@dannyp1317]

Amen 🙏🏽

[@BoldFollower]

So once you are saved God removes your free will to reject him? In the case where someone wants to walk away from God, God then forces us involuntarily to stay with Him, not just for life, but for eternity?

[@donaldong2043]

What do you think after reading this passage from book of Hebrews? ‭Hebrews 6:4-8 NKJV‬ [4] For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, [5] and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, [6] if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame. [7] For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God; [8] but if it bears thorns and briers, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned. The answer should be pretty clear from thus warning!

[@hombrepobre9646]

I am not a theologian, but my background in philosophy makes me ask a lot of question seems to reject eternal security, a single passage is enough to justify my understanding, for example Hebrew 3:12 which warns christians might lead astray by unbelieving men in the group and Ephesians 6:10-18 that we must put on our guard wear the armor of faith and etercede fellow believers. If there is no free will and if God predestined and preordained human fate then humanity is not responsible for their sinful act. If we can't lose our salvation, Paul should not warn us from turning away from faith, and asked christians to put on the armor of faith and urging christians to persevere. Paul warns and advised christians to be alert and urged christians to persevere and keep away from sin therefore in every rules you broke, there will always be a cost, therefore christians can lose salvation. the phrase that says no one can separate you from God is an assurance that no power in this world can take you away from God but it didn't say unless you will turn away which is later being emphasized in some Paul's writings that we need to put on our guard.

[@sidwhiting665]

I agree with the panel's answer on this question. The issue is we, as limited humans, cannot know whether or not a person is truly saved. They may have many of the outward signs--they may be worship leaders, pastors, teachers, podcaster, street preachers, famous authors, attending church for 50 years, etc.... but they may not truly be saved. When we see these "former Christians" deconstruct their salvation supposedly, that's not what's really going on. Salvation isn't something humans can deconstruct. God's church is build on the foundation he establishes, with Jesus Christ as the chief cornerstone. "Deconstruct" is just a handy term they use to basically say, "I never really believed this stuff because (fill in the blank with worldly answers)." They are like the rocky or thorny soil in the parable of the sower. Yes, the Gospel message fell on them and may have even grew into something beautiful to behold for a time, but when the sun grew hot or the trials of life started to choke them, their "faith" withers and dies because it has no root in the soil of Christ. Why does the Gospel message work this way on some and differently on others? To the Glory of God alone. Or to put it simply, "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us." - 1 John 2:19