Dr. Frank Turek - Christians are Hypocrites!

[@danielfoy1137]

Wow. I tear up at the end. Beautiful sermon. Jesus is full of truth and grace. We all are hypocrites and We all need a savior. Thank you Jesus for your sacrificial love. What a great reminder of the gospel. Thank you 🙏🏿💯

[@2l84me8]

Who made you fallen hypocrites again? Oh right. The very jesus character you’re praising mindlessly.

[@fuckamericanidiot]

​@@2l84me8 So hateful. What happened to you?

[@2l84me8]

@@fuckamericanidiot What was so hateful? Did this god not make humans “broken” on purpose so that he can command them to be well?

[@charleshenderson913]

Jesus is the only way to salvation. You can believe and live forever or disbelieve and reject salvation for yourself. You choose that you are unwilling to receive eternal life, then I guess you're FREE to reject life and choose death.

[@2l84me8]

@@charleshenderson913 Not being convinced of religious claims from the Bronze Age is not a choice, nor does it mean you desire punishment for all eternity. Enough with the ignorant gaslighting tactics already.

[@manielojeanpierre6370]

For all those thats saying you’ll only believe God or Jesus unless you him, I say, even if he showed up in front of you and doing miracles in front of your face you will still not believe. It is ok to admit the truth.

[@disrupt94]

This is a classic tactic of those who can't present credible evidence but still want to claim that they are right. The truth is demonstrable, so go ahead and demonstrate.

[@danielfortonforton223]

That's true. The same thing about evidence. You can give evidence after evidence about something and people will still ignore it. That's because they don't want it to be true. But it's still true.

[@disrupt94]

@@danielfortonforton223 give the evidence then.

[@sammie1262]

Yeah and this is biblical!

[@Chris-hf2sl]

Not so. People don't CHOOSE to be atheist. They are atheists because they don't see any evidence for the existence of a God and believe that everything has a natural explanation as opposed to a supernatural one, even when such a natural explanation is not (yet) understood. Believing in God and an afterlife must be of tremendous comfort to any believer and so many atheists probably wish that they did believe in God and would therefore welcome evidence to prove that God exists. It's like a child who learns that Santa Claus doesn't really exist; they might still wish that he did exist. I'm an atheist because I see no evidence for the existence of God and instead believe that everything has a natural cause. Just because I don't understand where the universe came from (assuming it was not always there in some form or other), doesn't mean it must have been made by an old man in the sky using magic. Similarly, just because I don't know how life originally started (as opposed to evolved from that beginning), doesn't mean that it must have been created by a creator. It just means I don't know. There's no shame in admitting you don't know something and there's no need to invent some fairytale story about magicians living in the sky to explain such things.

[@micohenca]

Thank you Dr. Turek for your discussion on morality. I was blessed to attend this particular discussion. Thanks for making this happen Dr. Chip Bennett.

[@Djr67]

You ain't too bright are you buddy.

[@Demopans5990]

Thank you Muhammad for your revelation of Allah's will. I was blessed to have heard it with my heart

[@dannyreborn]

@@Demopans5990 Repent and turn to Jesus Christ he is the way, the truth, and the Life. Allah is false. In the Koran, it says in Sura 5 verse 67 to 69," O people of the book, you have no ground to stand on (No argument) until you follow the Torah and the Gospel and what has been revealed to you by your Lord." if the Koran is saying that the Gospel and Torah is from God then that means the Koran is false because the bible never mentions the Koran. Allahs word can never be changed also so if he's saying that the Bible is a revelation from him then it cannot be corrupted. Jesus' name in the koran is al-Masih meaning the Messiah. Jesus is also sinless in the koran and Muhammed was sinful.

[@chrish7336]

@@Demopans5990 Why thank Muhammad, is he not bowing to God asking for mercy for leading people astray?

[@dgaming9791]

​@@Demopans5990Muhammed was a pedophile and a rapist. Why thank him?

[@kandtherestcandtherest9080]

Frank, I'm so blessed to hear your wonderful truth about God. Thank you. God bless

[@dshousegenetix47]

Someone who tells truth through common sense?Good job!

[@jjevans1693]

You're so brainwashed

[@majm4606]

The only way to show you know truth is by evidence. Turek's arguments here all commit well-known logical errors (and bad logic isn't evidence). For example the Moral argument is two baseless claims: that (A) objective moral values exist and (B) if they do, they're best explained by a god. No evidence of those claims is ever presented (in fact when theists try, _usually_ they're appealing to the feelings/opinions/tastes of people. But it's those things -- feelings, opinions, and tastes -- _that make something subjective!_ )

[@Oatmealt]

@@majm4606 Hold on why do yo as an atheist, believe in morality, and morality doesn't have any scientific evidence, and yet you believe that morals exist

[@Oatmealt]

@@majm4606 How can morality be subjective ? It's nonsensical to believe that. Morality is objective because we have a moral law giver. That's not a logical fallacy at all.

[@majm4606]

@@Oatmealt 1. Morality is defined as, _"principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior."_ So because I think it's wrong to behead apostates and a particular Muslim disagrees, that demonstrates subjective moral values exist. 2. By contrast you haven't demonstrated a single objective moral value. Instead you repeated the same exact logical fallacy that Turek just made twice: you said _without evidence_ that "we have a moral lawgiver"). 3. We have evidence of everything we actually know. It sounds like you're confusing (A) real things we say exist vs. (B) abstract things which are only ideas (and so if we say they exist, we're only saying _they exist as ideas in a mind, and that's it._ )

[@JesusTheOnlyWayyy]

I like listening to you frank it helps me a lot and I show my kids also to help them thank u for all you do for telling the truth about God and also how to treat others in this society a lot of issues I’m struggling with

[@dannyreborn]

PRAISE JESUS CHRIST!

[@hitman5782]

Why? For giving aids and ebola to billions of helpless starving children?

[@Silver77cyn]

Hail Satan! 🤘👹🤘

[@danielfrimpong6412]

Thank you for this wonderful video. I had nothing to do today , and this video came out. I think God wanted me to Watch it. All my asnwer have been answered. Keep Going. Amen❤😢

[@get2it7]

Man this guy is really doing something for the Kingdom of Jesus

[@Darko.Damjanovic]

"Kingdom of Jesus" is deep delusion.

[@hasone1848]

Frank really is doing something for the Kingdom of Jesus. He is really show how bad of an argument and how little evidence Christians really have for the god they believe in. I feel Frank has done a ton to move the younger generation away from religion and Christianity.

[@leehensley5019]

A faith based "objective" standard???? Please.... All Turek has done is murdered the meaning of objective. What is the difference between your individual personal faith and your individual personal opinion? Not a thing, nada, zip. At the end of the day, your individual personal choice of faith is exercising your individual personal opinion. Are you surprised at the internal contradiction, the hypocrisy? Why? Isn't that what Turek opened his little talk with? Then why are you surprised that is exactly what he served up with his faith based "objective" standard?

[@HansZarkovPhD]

The kingdom is steadily shrinking. We have gone for mamy godx, to one god, and hopefully to no god, this is the correct progression.

[@2l84me8]

Telling lies?

[@joelercoaster]

Very well done.

[@Michael_H_Nielsen]

really good :)

[@cmvamerica9011]

Which is better; to say you don’t believe when sometimes you do; or to say you believe when sometimes you don’t?😮

[@davedavid2914]

Love you Frank God bless you

[@eugeneduplessis7541]

Dr. Frank I was asked this in class today..... If the Garden of Eden was only good and perfect how did the serpent get in ? Im stuck with for an answer..

[@jonathanfredericks9937]

The devil was always there from the start

[@bbuchanan110]

I have a thought on this although I don't know if this is the correct answer but consider this, when did sin enter Satan's heart? We know he is a fallen Angel so at some point he has to be made good but lose his way. If he was in the garden to begin with he was probably there as some type of Guardian Angel. Have a read of Ezekial 28:11-19. There is a bit of debate if this verse is referencing Satan or not but if it is then it hints that Satan would be in the garden as a Guardian Cherub who while being away from the Throne of God became infatuated with his own beauty and became obsessed with splendor which led to sin taking over his heart. Perhaps convincing Eve to take the fruit was Satan's first act of Sin, the first time anyone ever dared to test God's boundaries.

[@babyboomer9560]

A little C.S.Lewis Mere Christianity explains all this

[@chriscox4936]

C.S. Lewis is why I became a non believer.

[@lilaclaza]

​@chriscox4936 how come?

[@geraldhartmann5073]

People that cannot decide to forgive and reconcile their relationship with you. They need place to nurse their emotions

[@inspiration28]

Wow this is profound wisdom and insights being shared 18:29

[@GidEon-pg6xf]

It’s really not Good is an opinion in war there people on both sides think they are the good ones

[@iwitness8622]

There came a time when they no longer asked him questions. The reason for "morality" questions is because it's inherent...their guilt from acts they knew they were not to do. The law opposed to them he nailed to the cross for it was them who nailed him there. "Whatever you did to the least of these you did to me." When did they no longer need to ask him any questions? Selah

[@tako-je-sunny]

How hard is he trying to not be a hypocrite. That's the question. To call oneself a christian hypocrite ain't enough.

[@trevormadland5802]

You yourself are a hypocrite, so you cannot say anything about him.

[@GidEon-pg6xf]

@@trevormadland5802god is a hypocrite

[@genegroover3721]

Brilliant.

[@Brad90977]

19:37 to 20:33....What a great point. Thank you!

[@buteur9418]

It helped me a lot , that’s so true

[@GidEon-pg6xf]

“If there is no god rape can’t be evil” is the worst point I have ever heard in my life

[@calebboersma4717]

​@@GidEon-pg6xf Evil doesn't exist without good. In the atheistic worldview there is no basis for objective good or evil. It's not hard to comprehend.

[@eloyduran8866]

I am a being of light, & a humble hearted individual, & so I take this opportunity to share. The conception of a God has puzzled me since I was a child. I know what I feel, & I know what is wrong. What comes from my heart is true, what comes from my head is misconstrued as selfish & immoral, judged by “true God believers”. So there in lies the crux of how a religion can condemn, damn, subjugate, deify, scorn, misunderstand, & alienate the true believers, of Love. Belief in oneself is Love, not believing in a construct of omnipotence, by other humans that act to control in the name if “the One”. We are the “One”, every concentration of light & energy regardless of form that shares space between our consciousness. We sacrifice our True selves by misconstruing the outer God to our original experience. Be a Being of Light from the Heart. Heads & Religion may guide You, yet no One can make it real for You. Only You, by You, for You. Think for You & no longer be a sheep, asleep. Being of Light, Love, & Laughter. If God is watching, how laughable are we to subjectify our True reason for being. Even the concept of reason is relative to our just being here. We are here for eachother. My best friend grew up in church, had a concept of relation to God, found that we are all smarter than we are & ascended to knowing that before we exist there is nothing, & when we cease to exist we are nothing. No-thing. Quite simple & never misconstrued with ideology of control outside of our own making. I find a connection to Other’s through resonance. Every One’s energy is how we relate. It’s all relative. Find Your Heart, what Relates & Gravitate to. I am, always, Love.

[@NomadicDevineEast1999]

I love this. 😊

[@bisbeekid]

Who designed the designer?

[@janetlauck1042]

No one. He was and always is.

[@bisbeekid]

@@janetlauck1042 So the designer (He) has a masculine gender? How interesting. "Whatever we cannot easily understand we call God; this saves much wear and tear on the brain tissues." Edward Abby

[@TheNatedouble8]

That's like asking when did eternity start?

[@bisbeekid]

@@TheNatedouble8 Actually, no. There's a clear answer to the eternity question if one believes in the hypothesis. Who designed the designer is entirely another question.

[@MvK-Delta]

@@bisbeekid you’re assuming everything needs to be designed. Also the only things that do need design are material things. If something is immaterial it cannot be designed. We Christian’s say the universe needs designer because the universe is not eternal & began to exist based off the evidence therefore it needs a designer since it began to exist. We also know that there must be something that eternally exists because if something cannot come from nothing, and something does exist, then there must’ve always been a something. Otherwise you’d have to believe that out the blue something can just appear from nothing.

[@Do-mj1lz]

If this doesn't give an example of innate goodness and morality that is by design put into us by God I don't know what does. This can't be taught at this age it is in us because someone designed us to be loving in this way. God! If you are hurt by something in life and are mad at God talk to him he can't make it right if you don't give him the chance! I challenge all of you atheists. There is pain at the heart of your disregard for HIM. But he loves you just the same!

[@Donald-loves-the-uneducated]

Christian cultists type some dumb shit frequently, but you win today.

[@Silver77cyn]

If morality was put into us by a god, parents wouldn’t have to teach children right from wrong, they would know it from birth, and serial killers and psychopaths wouldn’t exist.

[@grrsss8335]

2:38 If the universe had a beginning, that just means it had a beginning, not that there was or is a beginner. The cosmological argument only shows that the universe had to have a start point, not that any being caused the start.

[@dannyreborn]

If it had to have a start it had to have a beginner. I’m a computer programmer and you can’t write code without a coder. Someone has to write the code. The cosmological argument also goes in with the teleological argument which one of the top physicist in the world Stephen Hawking affirms that the universe is highly designed well we know that only persons can make decisions and so we know that through evidence there is many things that are highly designed.

[@grrsss8335]

@@dannyreborn Things happen without a mind interfering all the time. DNA is not a code, it is a chemical construct. As far as I am aware, Stephen Hawking never stated he thought the universe was actually designed.

[@dannyreborn]

He affirms the fine tuning of the universe,” if the expansion rate of the Big Bang was one part in thousand, million, million. A second after the Big Bang, the universe would have collapsed or never developed galaxies.” He said the expansion rate started at that point and didn’t evolve to a particular point. So the universe he affirms it to be highly designed

[@grrsss8335]

@@dannyreborn We do not actually know if it could have happened any different, We just have a rough Idea of what happened.Even if it could have gone differently, It did not. Neither case, it being able to have gone different or not, shows any evidence of a guiding intelligence.

[@kajetantatara2327]

@@dannyreborn That is not affirming the fine tuning of the universe. The only thing it does is saying that there is a very small window of optimal expansion rate. He is NOT saying it was in any way set, tinkered with or had any outside influence. And most definitely, NOTHING TO DO WITH DESIGN

[@hamster4618]

But how do we know what is Gods opinion? How did Martin Luther get it so wrong?

[@dannyreborn]

If a band is performing a song from your favorite band and they are doing a good job. You aren’t going to blame your favorite artist. You are going to blame the band that is representing you’re favorite artist by playing that song. So it’s the same as Martin Luther and God don’t blame Christians because we are all hypocrites and don’t live up to Christ Standard you have to follow Christ.

[@hamster4618]

@@dannyreborn like I said, how do you know what’s “God’s opinion”. We are not actually talking about hearing something directly from “God” himself, now are we? We are reading stories about stories. So how to know what’s the truth. And the problem is: you believe one thing, Martin Luther the next, Pope Urban VI something else. So not exactly comparable to your story about a band we can actually hear and it coverband. However, you did touch on an analogy there: like with a band and it’s cover songs, different people will like different versions.

[@dannyreborn]

You don’t actually regard cover bands to the highest standard as your favorite artist. I meant to say if they play the song bad and they do a bad representation. You’re not going to blame you’re favorite band. Also, that is Roman Catholicism and I don’t believe in that. The pope does not actually say or do what the Bible says as far as what I’ve seen or any priest. They operate off of hierarchy and nowhere is that found in the Bible to run a church. And we know Gods opinion because to create a highly designed universe you need a person who is intelligent and can make personable decisions. If you have a immaterial, personable, space less, timeless, being then he would obviously want to communicate with his creation. Therefore alligns best with his nature then that’s how we know his opinion. Robert jastrow a very famous cosmologist (an agnostic ) who doesn’t even believe in God said that scientifically the Bible aligns with scientific creation. Then we know Gods opinion through his word.

[@hamster4618]

@@dannyreborn good to know you are one of very few people who has the correct interpretation of “Gods word”. Obviously, I have no idea how, as the word salad was hardly an answer. “Therefore aligns best with his nature”? What’s that supposed to mean? Just to be sure, you state you have a better understanding of what “God” wants, than for example the popes (church leaders) and people like Martin Luther, one of the founders of Protestantism? So if they’ve got it wrong, what is correct? Do you hear voices?

[@dannyreborn]

@@hamster4618 no we know Gods opinion through scripture. In John it says,”In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God and the word was God. He was God in the beginning. So through his word we know his opinion. I don’t know every action Martin Luther took but if it aligns with Gods word and his commandments. Then that’s how we know Gods opinion. Because God will not contradict himself if he is all powerful.

[@tako-je-sunny]

How hard is het rying to not be a hypocrite. That's the question. To call oneself a christian hypocrite ain't enough.

[@PaulByrne-w8l]

Yes you are right ,we do it on our knees before our God ,its total surrender to " Thy Will be done"

[@calummacritchie7840]

Thank you Frank. I wish friends I had knew about this.

[@jjevans1693]

Frank is a fraud

[@GidEon-pg6xf]

Don’t force them

[@fotoman777]

The fatal flaw in Turek's argument is that there is nothing "objectively moral" about God. The notion that God is the ultimate "good" is just a subjective human definition of what we would like or hope God to be, if he existed. Turek says morality is the "best" argument for the existence of God, but it is no argument at all. We don't get our sense of moral right and wrong from God. If we did, we would still believe slavery was perfectly fine.

[@araenasanchez]

Some people do believe slavery is perfectly fine. There are more slaves today than ever before.

[@fotoman777]

@@araenasanchez That is indeed true. But most of western culture has moved beyond it due to some moral instinct against it that cannot be attributed to God.

[@thecircusfreak5364]

Is it subjective? Kind of funny how the things we describe as ‘good’ tend to lead to greater survivability for the whole of humanity. It’s as if things that are good lead to life that flourishes. When you align with the design of reality, things tend to be better for you and those around you. That’s not really debatable and refutes that it’s just ‘wishful thinking’.

[@adebayooluwatosinwale6709]

U simply best teaching nd improved my understanding in bilblical Believe

[@SpiritofOurLord]

Very good video!

[@marceloribeirosimoes8959]

Religion is not what The Creator expects us to be part of.

[@PaulByrne-w8l]

Read the Gospels , it's His Kingdom His Church ... Thou art Peter and on this rock I will build My Church.. ..Nolan Scriptura????

[@marceloribeirosimoes8959]

@PaulByrne-w8l So the Temple is the human body, right? Just like the Spirit inside Yeshua, right? Not building, right? His kingdom is not from this world, right? EKKLESIA means people reunited, gathered, with a purpose, right? So, the YESHUA's EKKLESIA has His purpose and manners, right? Because we must be temples of His SAMEB Spirit, so we can do things in His name, right? Hmmmm You've mentioned some verses from the Bible without any knowledge and context. Please, stop parroting verses. All you can get is "religious mind" tag. Yeshua was pointing to the most importante revelation of the entire Bible: WHO was there when they could see, touch, listen the man called YESHUA. The Bible will become a lot clearer for you when you receive this same revelation. Shimeon Baryonnah (Peter) and all other could not understand that at that moment, too. And they were living with "Jesus" every day... ....and where the religion is part of it? ....oh, I know that, I know it... Using the people, being called hypocrites and a brood of vipers (the only group - gender, class, position, professional activity, conduct, behavior, character - of people so called by the Creator and His true representatives) and killing The Messiah... ...I see... And then, the first students of the Creator in the flesh were killed by people of what activity? Let me see... ...AH! Yes!!! ...religious, again... (ouch!) Look, you're probably right... ...stay in one religion and you will have the majority as company... ...that will give you a sense of security and the idea that you must be on the right path. But if you truly read your Bible, without the influence of religious people, you will realize that all those who were freed and saved by the Creator in the flesh, in fact, left their beliefs, values, traditions and worldviews, not to join another religion. They left for the freedom that only Yeshua, only Jesus, the Creator in the flesh, can give us. To live like HIM, loving others like HIM, teaching goodness, like HIM, carrying His SAME Spirit inside, being a BODY for Him...

[@ConservativeHippie001]

Love this guy ❤

[@pwill4real855]

Can anyone answer-- there is no shadow without light. But Isn't shadow just darkness... and you cant have light without darkness. Trying to wrap my mind around this. Light has no meaning if there is no darkness.

[@arpitapps5327]

Light is not created... Space is created where God has limited His Light... Darkness is limited but Light is infinite... We see that Light is limited because we live in the same space where God has limited His Light... Therefore, in our point of view we feel that darkness is what it is and Light is created... God created The Heaven or in our word The Space... And in The Space He limited His Light which resulted in darkness... But in out space where God is... it's full of Light 😂 I know I am not able to explain properly because I am a limited human being

[@zebo6162]

We only categorize a lack of, or negation of, something when the actual thing we’re lacking or negating exists. If we never experienced the heat summer we wouldn’t know that the cold of winter exists. Without the dark of night we would have no conception of the light of daytime.

[@chrish7336]

@@arpitapps5327 The Connection I see that Frank was making is that while a shadow proves the light it cannot produce light. On the other hand, light can produce a shadow.

[@bn444]

Cosmological Argument: Fails to actually reach the conclusion that a god exists, and relies on logic, which is derived from our local reality; therefore, using it to make inferences about pre-reality doesn't make sense. Teleological: Defines everything as designed, making it impossible to distinguish between design and non-designed. To conclude there's a designer is equivalent to saying there is no designer. Also, there's just no evidence backing the claim that nature or the cosmos or reality as a whole is designed. Moral: Morality, though held as important to humanity, is really rather vague. But if we're just referring to determining what actions we should or should not be allowed to do, we can objectively determine that via proper reasoning. To present a being (deity) as the cause of existence, capable of bending reality to its will, is to undermine any objective basis for morality; as morality (and logic as a whole) would just be the whim of said deity. But even setting aside proper reasoning, there are obvious, 'common sense' moral principles that are just necessary for any social creature. If everyone is a rampaging lunatic, then there wouldn't be anyone left to ponder morality in the first place: the moral version of the sentient puddle analogy.

[@Fabricationfitness]

You said nothing is designed do you realize the endless possibilities of how if the world was just a little different in any way we could all be dead Ex metors , if air was toxic to us the amount of conscience it would have to be its im the billions its not luck that you are here right now God made you

[@bn444]

@@Fabricationfitness The world could easily be different and support life. Not only can it be different, it has been. The air has been toxic to a lot of current life. Arguably, Earth isn't even as optimal as it could be. Honestly, why would an all powerful, all knowing being even put us on a planet at all?

[@Fabricationfitness]

@@bn444 The world could be different IN a million ways and not support life im not mad at the way he chose because we do have LIFE

[@Fabricationfitness]

@@bn444 Earth is not supposed to be optimal its out testing place on if we get to the true optimal place heaven

[@bn444]

@@Fabricationfitness Then what's the point of your original comment?

[@tdktube]

This is vile. Morality should not require fear. Only His threat of punishment holds you in line? I feel compassion without it.

[@DomskiOKKK]

Did you watch the video at all?😂

[@kregorovillupo3625]

@@DomskiOKKK I think yes. And you? Frank says there's no moral without god, but tell me: is there any non-circular reason for why you ought to follow god's dictated morals? And what happens if you don't? And what happens if god's morals is to kill inonocents?

[@DomskiOKKK]

@@kregorovillupo3625are you serious right now?😂 Would you go out right now and kill someone because they you mad? Is that moral? You atheist are wild man.😂

[@davidsandall]

​@kregorovillupo3625 Without God there not only is no morals, also no truth, no logic, etc. Like he said in the beginning Without God it's just man's opinion vs man's opinion. There is no truth or morality without an all knowing, perfect, fair ,and just God to set those standards.

[@ΜαρίνοςΛούρος]

Morality is totally subjective

[@carlloggins9297]

How?

[@greenapple9477]

@@carlloggins9297 Most people can agree murder, theft, sexual violence is bad......but notice I said MOST people, not EVERYONE. Some people will disagree and say those things are good or not actually bad. That's subjective.

[@carlloggins9297]

@@greenapple9477 so you suggest that those people thinks it’s ok for them to be murdered or robbed?

[@greenapple9477]

@@carlloggins9297 That's a strawman argument, but no. Those people think it's ok for them to do it, or they don't care if other people do those things. Not for those things to happen to them. Either way, what's moral or not comes down to each individual, so yes, morality is totally subjective.

[@carlloggins9297]

@@greenapple9477 if the person believed it is ok for them to rob and rape but it is not okay for them to be robbed or rapped then where does that come from? That’s the point I’m trying to make

[@rickallen9167]

The inference is not only that morality provides the existence of God, but that morality is despatched to us by God alone. If you follow that logic then the desire or choice to hate, kill, murder and rape is in that consignment too. Why does it have to be that way? Because God is omnipotent, and that means anything is possible. That can mean a moral person acts only by way of divine instruction, regardless of his absence or unrevealed state to some of us. Morality isn't a divine operating traders contract...it is simply an Idea that you treat others as you would like to be treated yourself.

[@patrickegan5669]

It seems like many of these comments were written by one person.

[@dannyreborn]

Probably

[@JackgarPrime]

Well this video doesn't have many views. And there are sooooo many bad arguments in the video that its easy to make posts about each one.

[@dannyreborn]

@@JackgarPrime which ones are bad agreements that’s a very broad statement to make. All his other videos have a lot of views and people love it. What’s your point exactly ? Just seems biased.

[@JackgarPrime]

@@dannyreborn Videos having a lot of views and likes doesn't necessarily mean they're showing good arguments. A lot of those could be going in already agreeing with what's in the video and just happy to get their beliefs affirmed. It's been over a month since I saw this video so I don't remember exactly what he said here, so why don't you pick an argument he made, you can timestamp it if you want to make sure we get his exact words, and I can tell you what I think of it specifically?

[@zebo6162]

@@JackgarPrimeDon’t argue in the KZbin comments section; it’s a waste of time. Go talk to people in real life for an actually meaningful dialogue.

[@askingbetterquestions]

Kristi Burke has a channel to help the confused. Highly recommend.

[@CR-yd4qe]

The one thing you don’t get from your god is morality 🐹

[@GidEon-pg6xf]

And a lot of other things

[@Wigz_12]

Says the moral relativist.

[@Do-mj1lz]

Sorry the link below that will take you to the short on KZbin

[@paulmarcil6221]

Sort of pathetic that Frank's evidence for an almighty being is so far-fetched. I cannot imagine that any thinking peerson would be swayed by such nonsense.

[@Bugsy0333]

Agreed !

[@Go_Horns2024]

I think they are very powerful arguments. What would convince you? In the book of Romans Chpt 1, God says the only evidence that man needs is the creation (that is you, the world and the heavens) and therefore Man is 'without excuse' for not believing in Him. Because God loves you He will keep knocking on your door. I hope you will open it soon.

[@ob1coyote]

Christopher Hitchens must not have spent much time on Twitter. Non-believers are capable of multitudes of vile hatred without religion to blame.

[@Bugsy0333]

Believers fall under that category as well. One only has to look at the Roman Catholic Church and the sexual abuse by their priests on children.Sick

[@grrsss8335]

3:25 it mentions the moral argument. there is no evidence to show that morals come from a singular source. none. All the evidence shows that morality is only ever derived from what a person values and is therefore derived from subjectivity.

[@JT-ht6fk]

Great. I’ll come take your stuff because those are my morals.

[@arkcritic6080]

@@JT-ht6fk Doesn't stop him from calling the cops because that's the law.

[@Quelthas]

@@arkcritic6080 Yeah laws that benefit certain individuals because law is subjective as well

[@arkcritic6080]

@@Quelthas I don't know where you're from but there's laws against theft where I am.

[@Quelthas]

@@arkcritic6080 where im from is irrelevant, if youre defending subjective morals that means the every law is basically made to benefit certain people

[@bennettdeneghuedoeshits2950]

I've heard this argument so many times, and he nailed the correct answer quite a few times but brushed past it. Yes, there is no purpose to life, and yes, morality is just an opinion. We create our own purpose, just as we create our own morality.

[@Bugsy0333]

Agreed !

[@lae3418]

Lol according to you? Thats just your opinion your trying to implement this objective truth using opinion

[@bennettdeneghuedoeshits2950]

@@lae3418 There is no objective truth when it comes to morality. Why do you think there's still a debate over abortion? Some people are ok with it, and some believe it's immoral. There's loads we haven't worked out yet.

[@TheJas20]

that being the case, i hope someone doesn't exert their subjective morality at your cost @@bennettdeneghuedoeshits2950

[@SpideysNo1Fan]

​@bennettdeneghuedoeshits2950 if there is no objective truth when it comes to morality, then who is to say that murder, rape, theft, etc., are wrong? You? Me? Where do you get your truth from and why is your truth better than mine? If you say theft is wrong, but I say it's right and I can take what I want, just because I can, who are you to day it's not?? See, if there is no truth, there is no morality. Period.

[@DianaOng-z9i]

Morality is the result of human behaviour evolving over time when people come together to live in groups and tribes. Very simply good behaviour that benefits the group is rewarded. Bad behaviour disrupt group cohesion is punished. For god sake it’s as simple and as logical as that. You don’t need a god send genius to interprete that on behalf of an MIA omnipotent being.

[@gerdgrubel902]

It´s weird, because Jesus behaviour is considered to be "good", but yet he was killed by the "group". And not only him...millions of people behaved "good" and yet were punished by "the "Group"...In fact....in todays world behaving "good" is punished equally, if not worse, than behaving "bad". Your argument is one dimensional.

[@realtalkwithphil]

Don’t call for “God’s sake” if your world view doesn’t acknowledge that God gives the standards for morality.

[@majm4606]

​@@realtalkwithphil Are you distracting off topic (to fixate on common sayings like "god's sake") because you agree with all the other points the others were making? If you don't agree, do you find it weird you didn't address _the main points they were actually making?_ After all, when someone is wrong you can address their post and explain why they're wrong.

[@realtalkwithphil]

@@majm4606 If I’m not interested in addressing the other points or choose to address only one, it doesn’t make me half right. It’s my choice to answer what i want to answer. I’d be intellectually dishonest to think that i have the answers to every single question.

[@majm4606]

@@realtalkwithphil Well you're the one acting like they're right by ignoring the main points and distracting to something irrelevant. Worse, your point isn't even good because (for example) nobody who says "god damn" seriously thinks they're asking an actual god to damn something when they say that. It's just a saying. The most common reason people distract off topic is when they want to simply _ignore what other other side said,_ especially when when they made good points you can't address. After all, if you focus on an irrelevant detail you don't have to actually face the truth of what they're saying, right? But the only reason to act like that is if they're right and you're trying to protect a deeply-held belief that's wrong.

[@2l84me8]

Why on earth should I care about the subjective opinion of an unproven god over my own thoughts and sense of empathy? I’m sorry you aren’t able to think for yourself without imagining a god character pointing at something and condescendingly stating “this good!” Or “this bad!”. This doesn’t demonstrate any gods exists at all, let alone the specific branch of christain monotheism. You’ve given no rational justification for your god belief, let alone why we should care what he/she/it has to say regarding a matter. If it were that important, this god wouldn’t rely on flawed and vague text to get a point across.

[@hawkgeoff]

Where does your ability to think, your consciousness, come from? Science has given "no rational justification for your" ability to think for yourself... You've given no "rational justification" for you belief either.

[@dannyreborn]

@@hawkgeoff facts

[@dannyreborn]

frank turek has given many rational justifications for his beliefs in this video and others if you actually watch him. Second you’re just saying things without any actual evidence behind you’re claims.

[@WhiteScorpio2]

@@hawkgeoff "Where does your ability to think, your consciousness, come from?" From my brain, obviously.

[@lashonnmurray2762]

You don't need anyone's opinion that the most high exist. Your existence is the only proof that you need. People search for proof of the most high when you can just go look in the mirror.

[@giaanhvu3862]

Though with the Gospel-the power of God we can be perfect: Jude 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, See, Jesus can keep you from falling:>

[@Cellidor]

"If God doesn't exist, then right and wrong are just matters of opinion!" ...Yes, and? So...God doesn't exist then, by his own words, because that's... literally the world we live in. Thanks for describing reality I guess, Frank?

[@Cellidor]

@joeturner9219 Every opinion I have, is my own personal opinion, yes.

[@indigopapi8667]

The issue is that atheists do not live out their “beliefs”. A true atheist is an anarchist. Everything is meaningless and relative so they shouldn’t obey any laws or boundaries of any kind. But many still do… that’s the issue. Logically inconsistent and intellectually dishonest. And if one atheist chooses to live a “good” life (even tho they can’t define good) they can’t object to another person, atheist or not, for doing “evil”.

[@GidEon-pg6xf]

@joeturner9219right and wrong are opinions and that is an actual fact

[@GidEon-pg6xf]

@joeturner9219both sides of wars thing they are right and the other side is wrong

[@erictorres2893]

That’s not the world we live in there’s a right and wrong. If right and wrong was just about opinions then murders, rapist shouldn’t get arrest because they have decided it’s not wrong to kill or force someone.

[@robertmcclintock8701]

(　｀ー´) This is the artistic proof that the universe was created. When you paint a shadow its the opposite color of the object that made the shadow. Nobody knew what the opposite color of white is so the artists avoided painting white on white. The opposite color of white is baby blue and baby pink. The first artist to figure it out was Norman Rockwell. I was the second artist to figure it out. I saw it in the corner of a white room. The lighting was perfect to see it.

[@valarieniessner2536]

Praise GOD for those like Frank Turek. As GOD says, "the fool says there is NO God." It truly shows, that anyone that believes, we did not have a creator, who made us who we are and created all things, is very blind. Anyone who turns away from someone who needs help if being hurt or murdered, you are definitley not of God. Thats not Opinion, thats FACT!...AND theres mans opinions and then theres GODs Holy Word...The wise choose the latter...if a child takes a candy bar from the store, do you ignor your child or tell them it's wrong? Most would say it's stealing....and it is, according to who? GOD, "THOU SHALT NOT STEAL" ..when you take your last breath, YOU WILL stand before Almight GOD...why would anyone forfiet their soul for this world? I never saw a UHAUL behind a hearst. You will leave this world the same way you came in, Naked and destitute. Your Soul will live on, either in Glory with Christ or in Hell which is eternal seperation from GOD. "BIBLE = BASIC INSTRUCTIONS BEFORE LEAVING EARTH"...It tells you "where you came from", "how to live" and "where your going when you die".. when I die, if the Bible isn't true, what have I lost? NOTHING...but if it is true (which it is) what have I lost? EVERYTHING, MY SOUL...My soul means to much to me, so I'll take my chances. God help those that don't have any hope. JESUS IS THE WAY, THE TRUTH & THE LIFE. JOHN 14:6

[@valariegailniessnermissval8329]

@Brenton Carter ok

[@GidEon-pg6xf]

Tell me one reason they are blind? Also if a child steals it’s according to society not only god society says you shouldn’t steal

[@Hearttouchingnasheed-r3z]

I don't want to insult anyone's personal belief as in the religion we've grown up doesn't teach us to do so. But what's about another thing that's also stated by this one named Paul in your Bible "1 Corinthians 11:6?”

[@pelgrim8640]

Does Turek actually know the difference between claim and evidence?

[@dannyreborn]

He has a PhD and a doctorate degree and has written many books… I’m not trying to be rude but i think he spent over 8 years in a top university with scholars I think he knows the difference between claim and evidence and also he has provided evidence and his other videos provide evidence so don’t judge a book by it’s cover. God bless you repent from your sins and Turn to Christ.

[@pelgrim8640]

@@dannyreborn Still, he keeps mixing up claims with evidence. What evidence did he present? You need to demonstrate that christianity is real first, and then you need to explain why you condone slavery, genocide, rape, torture and collective infinite punishment for finite individual crimes, as the bible does.

[@dannyreborn]

@@pelgrim8640 Exodus 21:16 “whoever seals a man and sells him and anyone found in possession of him shall be put to death.” The people who fought to abolish slavery were mostly Christian and also when people were sacrificing and burning new born babies to a God they made up. Isnt right either so there’s actually context behind what you’re talking about. Before you make a claim; do research and know the context. Instead of just bandwagoning what everyone else says. Also he provided a lot of evidence. That’s why he’s a best selling author and people watch him. Also he didn’t mix up claim and evidence you’re just disagreeing because you don’t like Christianity.

[@pelgrim8640]

@@dannyreborn Please name one single piece of evidence that Turek has provided? That he is a bestseller is no argument whatsoever, because other religions have their bestsellers too. Charles Darwin was also a bestseller. Before you make a claim; do research and know the context.

[@dannyreborn]

@@pelgrim8640 you’re saying he got claim and evidence wrong. I’m saying he’s not and very knowledgeable and he’s very credible him being a best selling author. You’re disagreeing with that but I’m going to go with the guy that has more credibility. God bless you have a good rest of your day.

[@anetteridleyrodriguez]

I told this to my atheist husband and his answer to morality was self preservation and the advancement of humanity. If one doesn't have morals, it isn't a productive way to live and humanity wouldn't last long if it was immoral. It makes sense to me. I'm trying to convince him but my husband has great answers to everything.

[@charliegarnett9757]

We can all look at the same evidence and draw different conclusions…it happens all the time. When one is in a state I’d denial and argument will do. I assume you believe that Christ is your risen savior. If that is true here is the “end of the day answer” for me. One day we will both pass away. If you are right neither of us will know the difference. If I am right I will spend eternity with my maker. My prayer is that you will be there too.

[@trumpbellend6717]

​​@@charliegarnett9757 Let me ask you do you lose any sleep at night worrying "what If the Buddhist god is the real one" ? No, how about islam or hinduism ? Maybe those that believed in Thor, Zeus mithrah, or any of the thousands of other gods got it right 🤔🤔 But hey let's just assume that the god with the talking snake is indeed the correct one. There are thousands of denominations of christianity and each one has its own particular interpretation of gods wishes and morality and thinks that all the other denominations and interpretations have got it wrong. Many believe that unless you are in their specific denomination you are doomed to hell ( that means you ) You see you and me both are atheists to all these thousands of other gods, I just go one god further 😜

[@exaucemayunga22]

​@@trumpbellend6717Exactly! Even Christians in the same church don't believe in the same things. It's sad.

[@trumpbellend6717]

@@exaucemayunga22 Yep 43,000 conflicting denominations of christianity 🤭😂

[@DomskiOKKK]

@@trumpbellend6717Jesus didn’t teach anything about denominations

[@donnyh3497]

I used to think that Frank was just ignorant about all of his talking points but it's been long enough for him to look into it all. At this point it has become obvious that he is just a used car salesman who doesn't care at all about his followers as long as they buy his nonsense and give him money.

[@ksjohnson8197]

Hmm. You are sure entitled to your opinion but what blows me away is when one does an open minded investigation into the things he talks about, there's a mountain of evidence and logic to back up what he says and believes. The scientific, literary, historical, archeological and even logic itself are massively in favor of what he purports. Scientist know that the universe had a beginning and that it is finely tuned to operate properly. Scientists know that it had to take a superior supernatural intelligence to write our 5 billion character DNA code which is part of the building blocks for life. Scientist know that the many components of our 60 trillion cells had to be in place at the same time for the cell to function and reproduce. And they also know that the chances of this happening by chance or evolution is pretty much zero know matter how long it could have taken to happen. Many of these scientists know it was God who did this this. And many scientists will not admit it is God who did this. The only logical explanation is they know if they admit the God of the Bible did it, they then have to be accountable to Him. And there lies the rub. We want to live independently of God and do our own thing. But if God is real and the Bible is Truth, then it also talks about the one called Satan whose whose only agenda is to kill, steal and destroy. He and his minions does this by working incognIto through deception to use our God given freewill against us. The Bible also tells us that due to the fall of Genesis 3, we are all born by default under his control. So where does that leave us. That's why Jesus, the God/man, The Creator came to make a way to escape Satan's control and come under God's control Who gives us abundant eternal life. It's a totally free gift. So please don't be like the scientist who won't believe in spite of all the evidence. Because in that state you are already toast. Just ask Jesus to show you the Truth. I promise He answers that prayer 100% of the time.

[@donnyh3497]

@@ksjohnson8197 WOW! You must buy in to all of Frank's bullsh*t because you obviously haven't looked into any of the science outside of your christian bubble. You are too far gone down the brainwashing trail to ever make it back to reality. Look around you for christ's sake, nothing in this world points to a creator let alone the absolutely stupid jesus story. Get out of your bubble for a while and let the fog clear

[@JT-ht6fk]

I will pray for you.

[@donnyh3497]

@@JT-ht6fk I actually really appreciate the sentiment no matter how worthless it is in real life. And I hope you figure out that all religions are the same man made nonsense. Sincerely

[@donnyh3497]

@Lucase Than Yeah I agree. god actually can't do anything at all because things that are imaginary can't affect reality. But worship it anyway, no one will stop you

[@olaf9093]

We need the moral Righteousness of God to create Society because without a moral God there will never be a world of peace and prosperity.

[@telfairvortex777]

Too late for that the world is far too corrupted and ungodly..You can look all around for that Good is evil and evil is good Ain't gonna be no earth of righteousness here on earth it's only gonna get more corrupt..The saved live for God and try not to be conformed to this world while we are here..Then you leave this wicked world and go and be with the lord..

[@telfairvortex777]

The wicked been creating society they aren't getting rid of the wickedness on earth..That's why there are gun stores porn stores strip clubs brothels and whorehouses etc etc they aren't gonna get rid of or outlaw or make these things illegal on earth marijuana shops you can forget building a righteous world

[@bibleburner8426]

I love how people who pretend to eat the flesh and drink the blood of a human sacrifice find themselves in a position to claim moral high ground. It would be laughable if it wasn't so repulsive.

[@kactusJacko]

😂😂😂

[@CoryWillis]

We don't claim a moral high ground. We claim a moral standard that no one can reach. Romans 3:23 "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God"

[@bibleburner8426]

@@CoryWillis A moral standard? What is your moral standard?

[@CoryWillis]

An objective moral standard that includes good and evil. Without a lawgiver there is no law. Without someone to create a moral code there would be no way to justify good vs evil. I have a God that is truth, justice, mercy, patience, forgiveness, and grace in His nature.@@bibleburner8426

[@CoryWillis]

And He isn't just my God but the God almighty that created you, your family, and every thing in existence@@bibleburner8426

[@dereksoup]

Avenger reference so good.

[@hamster4618]

Stop with the lies, just because you cannot understand living in a society, understand we are group mammals, don’t make false claims.

[@Iron_Sharpens_Iron]

Idiot

[@heavnxbound]

They’re false claims because your opinion is different? Nice.

[@hamster4618]

@@heavnxbound than enlighten me what are objective morals? To kill gays as “God” supposedly ordered in the OT, or not to do so because Jesus said something vague on the order of stoning? How about blasphemers? Is it moral to kill them as instructed by the “Lord” or not? One of the founders of Protestantism, the original Martin Luther thought it was right to kill Jws (believing them blasphemers for not believing in Jesus). Luther pretty much wrote the blue print for Kristalnach. Not surprisingly the Nazis awarded him Kristalnach on his birthday. Meanwhile pretty much all people (with the apparent exception of Turek) that morality changes. Turek might be enjoying the stonings of adulterers by the Taliban because god said that is the appropriate punishment; most sane people think stoning is brutal and immoral. Most people (with the apparent exception of Turek) do not think a women showing her ankle or calf think she’s a whore, while the moral prudish views in Elizabethan times certainly believed only loose women did that. Also good to hear Frank’s wife never wears a bikini or swimsuit, but in a burqini just to hold on to those old never changing moral views he seems to hold. But fine, he holds the same moral views as Moses, so thinks it’s fine to own people as property. To kill his enemies and keep the young girls as sex slaves. If that’s his position. Fine. The. He’s not lying. In all other cases he is and knows it. We live in a society. The society as a whole determines what’s moral or not. It’s how laws come about or are dropped.

[@dannyreborn]

@@hamster4618 exodus 21:16- whoever steals a man and sells him, and anyone found in possession of him, shall be put to death.” The Bible does not endorse slavery or rape. God commands to love your neighbor as your self and that is a commandment. Anyone in the Old Testament who broke these laws was to be put to death. Also, in Hebrew the word slave has a different meaning when translated it’s translated to foreigner. Also slave didn’t mean the same thing it did at the time. Gay means something completely different now then it did 50 years ago. Before people used it as a term of being happy. Now it means feeling attraction for the same sex. Also you read the Old Testament out of context then because those so “called” slaves are actually working off means of debt and are to be treated with respect ; According to Leviticus " When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God."- Leviticus 19:33-34 also What you are referring to in the old testament was voluntary means of working off debt. All men were created in the image of God and everyone is equal. The Hebrew for what you are referring to and the people that are mentioned in the passage are called the Toshab (Sojourners) and the Gar (Foreigners) .

[@dannyreborn]

@@hamster4618 you are provided with all the evidence in the world. What you are saying is effectively wrong, you just don’t like the fact that Frank Turek has a different point of view from you and he provides evidence.

[@PhsychoSomatic]

Anything god does is justified because trust me god is awesome 😂

[@grrsss8335]

The moral argument for god fails because it only asserts that morals come from a god. And even if there was a god, the morality of that god would be nothing more than that god's opinion.

[@TheAndnor]

I think franks usual response to that is that good comes from gods nature, not gods opinion. God is unable to have opinions and unable to change what is good. So morality can exist without god, because god does not decide what is good.

[@pelgrim8640]

@@TheAndnor An other way to put it: if God has a nature which he can't change then he is limited by that nature, so there is a force beyond God that limits God. What would that force be?

[@TheAndnor]

@@pelgrim8640 yes, exactly.

[@skepticsinister]

Morality comes from humanity, empathy, and evolves as we do, there is no requirement for a god, humans determine that we have rights, it is the opinion of the whole. Religion is no solution for the requirements of humanity in the 21st century.

[@StruttinStrayCat]

Does this mean anything immoral can become moral if enough people agreed on it?

[@bobvadney7240]

And we know the dog, btw right & wrong bc of Jn. 1:9-11 & that’s why Rom1:21,22 is true & man is accountable & responsible for his actions… contrary to catholic calvinism❤

[@hamster4618]

I don’t have enough imagination to believe in gods, demons, zombies or angels, garden gnomes coming to life at night, pixies or werewolves. Not to mention the first part of the bible isn’t exactly inspiring when it comes to morality, as the practices are heinous.

[@jesuslovesyou37]

Think of it this way... just because you don't believe in the Sun, doesn't make it any less real. You've never seen the planet Pluto in person, but that doesn't mean it's not still out there. Stephen C Meyer, PHD stated it this way, "If it's true there's a beginning to the universe, as modern cosmologists now agree, then this implies a cause that transcends the universe. If the laws of physics are fine-tuned to permit life, as contemporary physicists are discovering, then perhaps there's a designer who fine-tuned them. If there's information in the cell, as molecular biology shows, then this suggests intelligent design. To get life going in the first place would have required biological information; the implications point beyond the material realm to a prior intelligent cause."

[@hamster4618]

@@jesuslovesyou37 but I sure can see the sun. Unlike any supposed god, let alone your specific “God”. As for the “fine tuning” argument, I would say it’s evidence for no god. If a supposed God who supposedly created the earth for humans, created the whole universe with it, it did a poor job of over-dimensioning the universe. A vast space utterly useless for human habitation, while creating a speck of a planet in which humans, of which, once more most surface area is not habitable. In addition, that area that is habitable is already used up for 50% for agricultural purposes; and that in (according to the bible) just a couple of generations. An earth that is overcrowded by humans who are rapidly going through all recourses, degrading top soil, leaving their plastics all over the place and toxins in quantities harmful for humans. Not to mention it is utterly weird and kinda sick he would have created the whole vast, limitless universe, with an uncountable number of stars, yet he managed no more than 2 humans. Created in his pottery class with some dirt. Heck, even Emperor Quinshihuang managed to have a Terracotta Army of 8000 made. Yet the supposed God, creator of all, could only manage 1 or 2? Nah, I don’t buy it. Not to mention the fact that by creating only 2 people, or actually 1 and then cloning it (transgender? What’s that deal?) and then ordering them to procreate to fill earth, he in effect ordered them to incestueus inbreeding. That to rings untrue. Nah, us being here all flawed and all, are here as a matter of chance, luck and development over billions of years. And at one point, in billions of years it all will likely collapse or explode or whatever, and then change again over billions of years.

[@2l84me8]

Exactly, it’s all make believe and superstition.

[@dannyreborn]

what exactly are you talking about bro? You know there’s context behind every atrocities you’re claiming let me guess slavery ? The Canaanites and genocide? All debunked and actually have context behind it. Before you make your assumptions on something actually read it. There is reasons behind all of it. You believe that nothing created something out of nothing. That’s like me believing a Tesla model x is just gonna pop up in my room one day. Well guess what it’s never gonna happen and it never will. But God because he’s intelligent made us and we’re intelligent and make decisions. You know God is real.

[@hamster4618]

@@dannyreborn well, personally I think stoning people to death is pretty much the vilest of things one can do to another. Or, burning someone alive, pretty depraved in fact. Yet, according to your bible, ordered by “God” for things that really don’t warrant capital punishments. Unfortunately I started reading the Old Testament in 2014, when some folk of the Abrahamistic persuasion re-enacted the book of Moses in that same area. It was the sickest society I have ever seen and made me realise just how deprave the supposed orders of the supposed “God” were. No excuse, no context can ever justify a rule based on those types of laws for 2000 years. It’s ghastly.

[@observer8477]

so true but some disbelievers of christ and many fellow muslims also down here will always say what a mumbo jumbo....

[@letstrytouserealscienceoka3564]

The moral argument is incredibly weak, I do not know why Frank thinks is is one of the very best. Oh wait, yes I do, it is because all arguments for the existence of "God" are bunk. The moral argument hinges on the premise that you can't have "objective morals", "absolute morals", or "universal morals" if Frank's "God" doesn't objectively exist. The problem is that no one has ever shown that any of those types of morals exist, so the foundational premise, and therefore the entire argument ,fails. It also suffers from the universal problem of "who is this god person anyway?" My personal, subjective morals are far better than those of the Christian gods. I see no reason to lower my standards to their level.

[@dannyreborn]

Incorrect, sorry but even Richard Dawkins a very famous athiest. Admits the fine tuning of the universe is one of the best arguments for the existence for God.

[@letstrytouserealscienceoka3564]

@@dannyreborn That doesn't mean that he thinks it is either good or valid, only that he thinks it is one of the best from a heap of garbage. Further, Dawkins is not an astrophysicist, a cosmologist, or even an astronomer, he is an evolutionary biologist.

[@dannyreborn]

@@letstrytouserealscienceoka3564 I know that he’s not physicists and he’s an evolutionary biologist. I’m saying HE said with his own words that’s the fine tuning of the universe is the best argument for God and he’s an atheist. You’re just making excuses because you know God is real brother. You can’t be mad at something that doesn’t exist. Repent and turn to God.

[@letstrytouserealscienceoka3564]

@@dannyreborn I am not making excuses. I am pointing out that Dawkins has no experience in astrophysics whatsoever, and that saying that fine-tuning is your best argument is not the same as saying that it is a good argument. No argument is enough to show that deities, or anything "supernatural", is a part of objective reality. You need evidence, direct objective empirical evidence of your specific deity. If you really want me to believe that your deity is objectively real then present it for examination, testing, and questioning to see if it can live to any, and all, of your claims for it. I have never been anything other than an atheist in my 67+ years and I don't secretly believe that any deities are objectively real, let alone your specific one. I am not mad at deities, they are fictional characters. I am disappointed that any adult in this day and age needs to rely on a fiction of their own making to cope with reality. I feel sorry for you and anyone else who has been so deluded that you actually think that we all need such a wobbly crutch to walk through the one and only life we will ever have. Show me, with real verified direct objective empirical evidence that your deity is objectively real. If it is, and it is the deity or deities of the Christian bible then I do hope you will join me in locking it away for crimes against humanity. The gods described in the bible are horrific creatures. You might want to check that other Dawkins quote on that issue.

[@dannyreborn]

@@letstrytouserealscienceoka3564 you cannot put God inside of a test tube and test him. Your human thinking is way beyond Gods capacity and what you could imagine. Your insulting people for believing in God which clearly shows your emotional and you devote this much time to prove that what God doesn’t exist ? It seems like you’re obsessed him. God bless you brother I will pray you. I know you are struggling.

[@johnadegboye8606]

C.S Lewis puts it nicely. "Men became scientific because they believed in the law of nature, and they believed the law of nature, because they believed in the law giver. Now, to even begin to unfold the chapters of knowledge and make astounding discoveries requires a sheer level of faith. What's the physical guarantee that inventions are possible? I see atheists trying to separate faith and science like they also are not creatures of faith. It always takes faith. Plus Evolution is utterly based on Faith. I studied Archaeology in school, and believe me when I tell you it takes a massive level of faith to begin to objectively label some findings after exploring different theories and possibilities of what had happened or the story behind the artefact discovered. Its voodoo science, discovering bones in situ and calling it australophiticus, ramaphiticus, homo hablis when the skeletal frame in fact isn't comprehensive enough. Stephen Gould an American scientist believed it was very misleading to fleshen up the discovered bones in biology textbooks, when only broken, fragmeted and deformed skulls were found. It could have been in that SHAPE for a long period of time due to the pressure released on the skull by the density of the soil. But then Scientist in the name of practicing science proceed to give the discovery a 'full blown' body based on their speculations and variants of possibilities. How is that science?!! It takes FAITH to do that. Faith! That's what it takes. Also, there's been an immense skepticism about the creative power of mutation in regards to the natural selection mechanism. How can random changes acting on a living organism, this time, a coherent information in software programme for example result to a new form of life without degenerating what has been there, or this time, including more biological details that are not mindful of an organism's need for survival? In a nutshell, how is a baseline accuracy achieved such that it is consistent with the coherent string of DNA characters that is already existing in an organism that is being carried through the mutation process? Evolution is very FALSE, and I don't know how else to over emphasize this. Believe in Jesus Christ and Be Saved Today. He Loves You even if you hate him, and He wants you. To see for yourself, ask Jesus that if He is real, He should reveal himself to you, and you watch what happens.❤ And please guyss...Thinking is a personal thing, don't let some physicist, scientist all in the name of professional or authority appeal force you into thinking a certain way, even me, that's why I said to ask Jesus yourself. So many things in fact I have seen in Stephen Hawking's book Philosophy of Science that fulls beneath the scoreline of undiluted and dexterous science, highly misleading intelligent nonsense. Most of them are a bit of science rubbed with subjective views, coupled with his ability to market them with his authority appeal.

[@lostfan5054]

Is this real? This must be satire because I've watched Frank being corrected on all these points years ago and he keeps saying them as if he doesn't know better now.

[@dannyreborn]

Brother you know frank is right. I know in your heart that you are seeking for the truth and deep down in your heart you’re trying to fill that empty heart with stuff that can’t fill it. Sex, alcohol, money and relationships but you’re longing for the most important relationship and that’s with Jesus Christ. I’m going to be praying for you bro.

[@lostfan5054]

@@dannyreborn How did you determine this to be true? After all, anyone can say the same thing about anything. "Islam filled the hole in my heart" "My new job has filled the hole in my heart" See what I mean? There are lots of things that make us feel good. Believing in a god can do that too. So how can we figure out if your god is actually real?

[@dannyreborn]

@@lostfan5054 because it’s objectively True. God is real and deep down you know. Through creation you know. If there’s a creation there needs to be creator. Look around wherever you are. Everything you see around you had a creator to it. Even buildings you don’t just walk past a building and say oh there’s no creator. Even if the builder died 300 years ago you know there was. So yes there is a God and you feel empty with God and you’re trying to fill it with all these other things but really deep down you’re longing for God and a relationship with him. If everything else filled it would’ve by now.

[@lostfan5054]

@@dannyreborn I don't have any such hole and I don't believe you do either. You were lacking something and you found a near story that made you feel good. You have a God-shaped hole in the same way that kids have a Santa-shaped hole Also, I don't have any reason to think the world is a building. Yes, buildings have builders. Universes don't seem to have universe makers, as far as I can tell. The universe is not a building.

[@letstrytouserealscienceoka3564]

@@dannyreborn If it is objectively true then you should be able to produce your deity so that we can examine, test, and question it to see if it lives up to the claims made for it. Objectively true means that it must be a part of objective reality, the reality that we all share. We do not share minds, and that is the only place your deity resides, in your mind. That is called subjective reality. Your deity is only subjectively real. That is why no one has ever been able to show that their deity is objectively real, something that should be easy if it is true. I think that it is you who have a big empty that you have been unable to fill even with the deities that you have created specifically for that purpose. I have never had a need, or even a desire, for such fantasies. I find them superfluous, utterly unnecessary, a waste of my time. If the make believe of deities and their magic helps you cope that is OK, but it does not make them objectively real. It does not make them capable of doing anything in objective reality, the reality that we all share. Either produce your specific deity or admit that it is all in your mind. Go ahead, prove me wrong.

[@DocReasonable]

'God can kiII whoever he chooses.' - Frank Turek. 'We get our morals from God.' - also Frank Turek. ... Awkward! If you're going to be an apologist for a genocidal monster, at least try to be good at it.

[@hasone1848]

Everything frank is saying is base and the assumption that a god is real and exists. God has never been demonstrated to be real, and until someone can show that god is real then everything frank is saying is completely false!!

[@dannyreborn]

So you don’t believe In love ? You can act out love but you can’t physically see it. You don’t believe in WiFi ? And electro magnetic waves? what about the laws of logic can you see that ? You see you have so much faith in other things but discredit faith in God because you wanna live however you wanna live. But at the end of the day you will face God at the end of your life and brother I advise you to accept Christ and turn from your sin. I know you know deep down every excuse you make; you know God is real.

[@hasone1848]

@@dannyreborn You can't see love but you can very much demonstrate it's real, you said it yourself, you can act it out. Love is an emotion like happiness, sadness, and frustration. Those are byproducts of the brain which affect behaviors in people (reason falls in this category as well, it's a mental tool). Electromagnetic waves, well visible light is included in this so you CAN see it, it's literally the only thing we can see. And wifi is an electromagnetic wave that we can send packets of data over. All of these you can demonstrate easily, no faith needed! And don't push your presuppositional garbage on me. How do you know what is in my head better than me? Can you show that your god is real?

[@kajetantatara2327]

@@dannyreborn Out of the things you mentioned, I have to concede that the laws of logic aren't set in stone, but agreed upon for the sake of discourse, but love is as far as we know just chemicals in the brain, and you can see effects of wifi and electromagnetic waves, so please don't be dishonest about those

[@dannyreborn]

@@kajetantatara2327 you can’t see them with the naked eye. Did you see the Big Bang happen ? can you see gravity? You see the effects of it but you can’t see it. Have you ever seen a black whole ? Can you see the molecular structure of a dog ? Not with the naked human eye.

[@gowdsake7103]

@@dannyreborn Love is an EMOTIONAL reaction sheesh. You think YOUR god has love ? How about reading your iron age myth. Count up the murders by YOUR loving god ! 2.5 MILLION THAT is your loving god

[@tombyers5744]

When talking about the bad things humanity has done, like the Holocaust, why doesn’t he also bring up the great crusades?

[@exaucemayunga22]

And that Hitler was a Christian...

[@henrikrolfsen1889]

A quote from the "Holy Bible": 1 Samuel 15:3: " Saul, king of the Israelites, (Gods Chosen People), is told by Sky God Yahuvah via a "prophet" named Samuel, >>> “Now go, attack Amalek, and destroy, and kill all that belongs to them. Spare no one, but kill alike men and women, infants and sucklings, oxen and sheep, camels and asses!”

[@Bugsy0333]

Morality is a code of values accepted by choice. If there is no choice, there is no morality. If you accept a moral code from your favorite deity because you are afraid of what he will do to you if you don’t, that is the morality of a very young child. Such behavior has nothing to do with goodness. If you accept a moral code from your favorite deity because of what it buys for you in some afterlife, you are a fool in this life and probably open to objectively criminal behavior as well. Moral statements are guideposts to good living in this life. Morality only matters to the living. What is morality without God? Worthwhile.

[@Bugsy0333]

@@brianh2212 Sure

[@Bugsy0333]

@@brianh2212 So you have laid down your foundation i am ready for you closing arguement ?

[@Bugsy0333]

@@brianh2212 I debate this everyday on this platform.Mostly 'God' endorsing slavery. So this is nothing new to me ? Humans had morality long before Judaism or Christianity was a thing. Civilizations that have never heard the word of God have moral and ethical systems. And the reason is much simpler than a God: we need morality to have social cohesiveness if the group is big enough. So every time the tribe becomes bigger than the “monkey sphere” aka Dunbar’s number - the number of people with whom one can maintain stable social relationships - it invents some form of morality.

[@DomskiOKKK]

@@Bugsy0333Did you miss the part about Romans chapter 2 it seems so.

[@Bugsy0333]

@@DomskiOKKK Did you miss Leviticus 25:44-46 Seems so. Here let us take a look at what a loving and caring God wishes ok ? ‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

[@vincethan7111]

My biggest problem is that people who are prideful and ignorant think that are beyond God. I promise you this you will see the truth in this life God has given you or the afterlife. I choose to follow the truth now I’m not going to wait till my death bed where I was at several times but Jesus told me my work is not done. Thank you Frank! Keep telling the truth. Jesus is God end of discussion no debate.

[@trumpbellend6717]

. "Truth" is demonstrated dear not asserted, its that which best conforms with the FACTS and EVIDENCE and has nothing whatsoever to do with "faith" Knowledge of FACTS, also called "propositional knowledge", is defined as true belief that is distinct from opinion or guesswork by virtue of justification. A "FACT" is a point of data that is objectively verifiable ( demonstrable ) Absent "Facts" one has only the opinion or guesswork and no justification to claim such knowledge. Science has all the FACTS yet claims nothing as "absolute" truth. Christianity conversely claims absolute truth in everything yet has no FACTS 😜 Perhaps it would be best if you just go back to your colouring book and leave these discussions to the adults dear.

[@hasone1848]

@@trumpbellend6717 your comment is right on the money!!!

[@telfairvortex777]

There is a verse if I remember right it's in thessalonians talking about the antichrist opposing and exalting himself above all that is called God and worshipped sitting in a temple claiming that he is God..they do reject God alot of them are lukewarm and God is not lying about anything especially judgement day so unbelievers or lukewarm believers will definitely see then but it will be too late...There are plenty of verses I think of for people that want to debate against the christian faith the bible Jesus etc I don't want to be these people come judgement day as Jesus said whoever rejects me and doesn't receive my words has one that judges him the words that I have spoken the same will judge them in the last day( judgement day)...When Jesus get the angel to throw them in the lake of fire forever it's gonna be too late as the word of God tells us there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth...

[@bryanthomas6063]

Go to the foot of your bed, get on your knees, let your mind rest, and say to God, “if you are who you say you are as it is written in the Bible, please reveal yourself to me, show me your love, and save me from my sin.” Do that and watch what happens. If you are sincere, your old self will die and your new existence as a child of God will begin.

[@trumpbellend6717]

Grow up 🤭😂🤣

[@exaucemayunga22]

How did he reveal himself to you?

[@bryanthomas6063]

@@exaucemayunga22 A few different things happened. I heard the gospel message presented in a way I never heard it that struck my heart and soul. That was when I was a teenager. I then drifted from my faith until I had a combination of experiences that led me back to God. I then made the choice to accept the Bible as the absolute truth, and God slowly started revealing more and more of who he was and what my identity was in him. Prayer throughout the way also played a big role. It wasn’t a one time thing. It was over time. He started a work in me when I asked him to. When I drifted from him, he brought me back to him. He is now finishing the work he started in me which will continue until I pass away. I still sin every day and fight the same battles we all fight, just in a much different way than I used to. Did that help? Do you have anymore questions? Also, as a disclaimer to anyone who might read this, I don’t argue and debate. I just share my experience and path to those who ask.

[@exaucemayunga22]

@@bryanthomas6063 so it's just your personal feeling.

[@bryanthomas6063]

@@exaucemayunga22I would say it is my personal truth and world view.

[@dragandjordjevic5603]

Morality is not developed and given to each human by god, or pre-existing divine developed standard. Morality is developed in each human at early age by social norms, unwritten and written laws that exist at certain time in certain cultures. That is why morality is fluid and developing through the human history and morality of cavemen is different or morality nowadays.

[@gemguy6812]

Christians hypocrites? No kidding? You expect perfection? Only God is perfect.

[@telfairvortex777]

Amen to that..

[@Jesus_istheRealTopG]

A perfect holy and just God has set up existence an all was good. God doesn’t allow evil into the world. Humanity has however. The more evil happens the more we’re distancing ourselves from God. The more wicked you do the further from him you are. He designed the way it works and he won’t compromise for any man. It’s Mans job to compromise for God. What high seat it is we think we sit. If you do not choose Jesus you’re making your own bed. Those who live a life of servitude, self sacrifice and genuine relationship with your CREATOR will do what’s right just because it’s whats meant to be. In the Name of the son, Jesus. Think of the people who are having the hardest time of it in this life. Jesus would heal him in body spirit and mind. That’s what we have to do. I could go deeper because the Lord has revealed many things to me. I’m no better than anyone I have started my best to live in this way and I have seen the Lord in all things. I watch in real time him working all around me because I bring my issues to Jesus and try to live His way. That’s why dying for a friend is a High honor. I love you all genuinely. Humanity is special but don’t think the Words in the Bible aren’t the Truth and he won’t start a new because he can do anything he chooses to. The stories of the profits are the result of this and you can literally have visions and know things to come. They’re puzzle pieces they all come together. In the case of science also if we were to use technology in conjunction with God instead of to try and oppose The Almighty. To uplift all Humanity to come together as He wants we would all be fulfilled. We would be so much further. I try to humble myself always and knowing these things it hearts your heart and soul seeing all the suffering and destruction. An still I pray the ones working for their own desctruction to turn from their wickedness and repent. With humility and ask the Lord for forgiveness, otherwise the day of the Lord they will immediately know their own eternal demise. All knees will fall before The Lord. All knees will drop before Yeshua. He is the Way the Truth and the Life. Fully Man and fully God. He set the example forever and will reign forever. Ahmen.

[@corywhitebread6519]

This is an absolute bold assertion that morality proves a god. No, this becomes a huge fallacy when faced with the claims of morals within his own book. The bible never condemns slavery or genocide. In fact it even goes as far as to give instructions for the proper way to own other humans as property. Is this seen as morally good today? Certainly not. In fact at no point in time should it have been considered as morally good. So how do you justify the teachings that condoned it in this book?

[@m4ttty88]

It's sorta like how we're looking at slavery? You realize there's a estimated 27 million people today in some form of slavery right (sex trafficking, labour forced work) heck I might be even a slave today by some standards I have a boss lol And yes these are all wrong but back in the day slavery was around before the mosaic law was even made... we get that its more regulating slavery but it does say no genocide "thou shall not murder" lol and in exodus it says "whoever steals a man and sells him and anyone found in possession of him shall be put to death" like back then its sorta just how it was people took high honor in family and they literally would just give daughters away to go off and get married... was truly a different way of living back then. The point is jesus came and did set all these crazy religious ideologies man had twisted and set a standard.. look into the actual teachings of jesus

[@grrsss8335]

2:50 there is no evidence that demonstrates design. Not that I am aware of. Plenty that there was no design.

[@dannyreborn]

The size and distance of the moon if that were changed slightly we would cease to exist. Scientists refer to us as in the Goldilocks zone. Not too far away to were we would freeze and not to close to were we would burn up. We are “just right” earths rotational axis if that were changed slightly we would cease to exist. Jupiter attracts all the cosmic asteroids to it rather then us and acts as a cosmic vacuum cleaner and “if the expansion rate of the universe was one part in a thousand, million, million, a second after the Big Bang. The universe would have collapsed or never developed galaxies. The universe is highly designed and most physicists and athiest affirm this.

[@grrsss8335]

@@dannyreborn the moon used to be closer and is drifting away slowly. We have no way of knowing if the constants of the universe could have been different and if they could have been different it still does not show a creator, just that we got lucky. The only people I know of who say that the universe is designed are creationist who ignore the actual science.

[@dannyreborn]

@@grrsss8335 Stephen hawking doesn’t even believe in God and he affirms the fine tuning of the universe. So I take it you disagree with one of the top physicists of all time. Many other physicists as well that’s why it’s called the fine tuning of the universe. Because people didn’t just come up with it actual physicists did.

[@bluex.1016]

@@grrsss8335 bro if u buy a small forest wants to convert it into a finely tuned garden u need a gardener to make it and watch over it. Without a gardener if u think that nature will convert this forest into a garden for me it is a delusion bro

[@arkcritic6080]

@@bluex.1016 So... god is the gardener and he has a boss?

[@exaucemayunga22]

What does God think about Slavery, Misogyny, Rape, Marriage, Polygamy?

[@ahope4u2]

What do YOU think about the wicked behavior of humans when given free will?

[@exaucemayunga22]

@@ahope4u2 I don't believe anyone gave us free will.

[@trumpbellend6717]

​​@@ahope4u2 lol we are not talking about what mere mortal "MEN" did dear but rather what a supposed PERFECT omnipotent omniscient omnibenevolent loving God *TOLD* them to do 🤢🤮

[@JiraiyaSama86]

I'm not sure if this describes it accurately. But are any of us when taking a shower more capable of fully cleaning ourselves when we do it ourselves as compared to when we have someone else with us?

[@tarp-grommet]

- The cosmological and teleological arguments are word games. There's no "there" there. - The moral argument is the Christians claiming ownership of something that does not belong to them. All cultures have criminal & civil law and the golden rule. The Christians did not invent criminal and civil law; it comes to us from Mesopotamia, Greece and Rome. - The claim that a supernatural being wrote something on your heart is meaningless because there's no way to test it. - The core mission of all spiritual teaching is to help people understand their capacity for love and compassion, and to make it a major theme in their lives. - Multiple spiritual traditions help people find the peace and happiness that comes with this understanding. Some people call it living in the light. - If you are claiming they will be punished for eternity if they do not join your particular religion then you are living in darkness.

[@robtruax7640]

But, that is also true about Islam and many other religions. Many don’t like Islam..does that make Islam true?

[@Brucec-x6r]

Also, there were 15-20 other saviour gods , the story, identical to that of Jesus Christ

[@marialaarman]

Except they did not rise from the dead.

[@jovitagutay3692]

What about our tongue? How is it that we can taste sweet, bitter, sour, salty spicy etc.! I mean we can have 10 tongues one is for sweet, one is for sour and all 😅but we have only one and it’s amazing, and it is connected to the brain that says ohhh it’s so delicious or it’s not delicious! Isn’t it that our God is an awesome God?! Olwhats the purpose of our nails? We can have just fingers without it? Well there’s a lot more…

[@baldwinthefourth4098]

You're calling that place a "church"?

[@MARStheFORSAKEN]

I love how theists skip right over proving morality exists and move into using it as a tool to cultivated their religion.imagine saying unicorms exist because lepricons prove it to be true.

[@landonpontius2478]

Moral truth is not dependent on the existence of God. There is no added difficulty in explaining morality on a secular worldview, in fact, I think it's actually MORE coherent than the theist model.

[@OpaMando]

I am God, prove me wrong.

[@kevinlawrence1582]

The way people talk about this guy I was expecting wwwaaayyy more. Good public speaker and he has charisma but he just dragged out the same old tired arguments I've heard a billion times before. Still not convinced

[@christopherlynass2416]

Thanks Frank God bless you

[@jameslowry1]

If GOD doesn't exist then neither does good and evil or right and wrong because it is all then reduced to personal or majority opinion and if we are all entitled to our own opinion then who decides which one is right?

[@nostalgicdepression1990]

Morals don't exist outside of humanity. That's why nothing else abides by these morals except humanity. Animals don't and neither does life.

[@Bugsy0333]

@@nostalgicdepression1990 Some animals, mostly social animals, exhibit behavior that in humans we consider “moral.” Experiments have shown animals practicing altruism, even self-sacrifice, protecting the weak, showing a sense of fairness, displaying empathy, cooperating with strangers and punishing destructive behavior. Some people will claim that that’s not moral behavior, it’s simply animals acting on their native instincts. Those people have trouble explaining just how this differs in humans.

[@kennywong5857]

It goes like this. God is to build an eternity we call Heaven. The question is who can enter Heaven. God sets up Law for angels and humans to obey through a defined period time, then followed by a so-called Final Judgment to determine openly who can enter Heaven. To put it another way, Law serves as a measurement to see who can live with a sin-incompatible God in eternity. This started with humans without writing capability. Law (or rather a reflection of it) is written in our heart which remains as our conscience. However, by our freewill men's heart can be hardened. We are educated or re-educated by parental teaching, social encounters and such. We are even educatable when we are in mother's womb (as a matter of by whom though). So that everyone can have a variation of morality, though the original moral code is objective. That's why we need a God who can judge heart to do the Final Judgment for us. God/Jesus will use a covenant in place as the standard and takes everything into consideration to deliver a judgment result. That is, the original objective moral code will be used as a standard for our judgment, but God/Jesus will take everything into consideration. We need a just and fair God to do the Final Judgment for us humans. The Judgment for the angels are much more simple and straight forward.

[@trumpbellend6717]

Well my "conscience" tells me that *"Buy your slaves from the heathen nations that surround you"* Is not nor ever was a "moral" instruction and certainly not a moral reference standard that anyone should adhere or aspire to. Do you agree *YES or NO* ?? 🤔

[@trumpbellend6717]

You say that *_"God has written morality on our hearts"_* but there are several rather obvious problems with this assertion. Firstly if that were indeed the case then we would all regard the *SAME* "God" to be moral and regard the *SAME* scriptures and the laws they contain to be "moral," this is most certainly NOT the case. Most people do NOT think it immoral for a female to uncover her hair in public or to not face a specific landmark and pray five times a day. Most people in the world are just fine with eating bacon, wearing clothing of mixed fabrics and even picking up sticks on any day of the week. We do NOT think that our unruly rebellious children who disobey their parents ( sounds like most teenagers to me ) are deserving of the death penalty and we recognise that an instruction to _"Buy your slaves from the heathen nations that surround you"_ could never represent guidance from a perfect omnibenevolent unifying moral standard. We do however all have commonly held values found the world over irrespective of which religion or NO religion. These value all conform with our ideas about human wellbeing. As previously stated they are the basis for our ethical and legal systems the world over and for the most part it is only the concept of SIN ( perceived transgressions against the whims of subjective invisible beings ) that the disagreement occurs. Im not speculating here or just giving you my "opinion" the above is all *FACT* regardless of the existence or non existence of ANY "God". Given this, should humanity adhere and aspire to the common values that unite us all and have real impacts on real people here in the real world. ? Alternatively should we continue on trying to impose the perceived whims of our own subjectively determined invisible "one true God" that divide humanity and have no positive impact on wellbeing that can't also be attained via secular morality ?? Come on surely we are better than this, the sooner the world throws out like old furniture these gods and their barbaric religious ideological baggage the better.

[@kennywong5857]

@@trumpbellend6717 Do you even know that slavery is an establishment from or endorsed by the most moral humans back to the point? Would you explain why? See my pizza topping comment for an answer.

[@kennywong5857]

@@trumpbellend6717I already explained. As an analogy, Law in our heart is like the bread part of a pizza. It’s common to all pizzas disregarding what toppings put above. Which is the morality part put in our heart and will be used for humans Final Judgment. On top of this bread part of the pizza we add different toppings which altered our final morality. These toppings are a result of social culture developed, parental education and even from influence of the angelic beings. Moreover, our legal system actually relies on our common morality to work. That’s why all legal systems on earth share large part of similar content. Added that humans don’t need to read laws in order to obey laws. You don’t reread laws when traveling from one nation to another. Covering head is not part of the Law written in our heart. It is instead a Jewish Law (written either orally or literally but not in heart) or custom. You are confused, just as in any other part of your reply. Your “No God” assertion is simply from your own baseless faith or at best your poersonal speculation. I’ll give you another analogy here. If aliens exist and they have a reason to hide from us, then how possible that humans get to know their existence? The only way is by chance the aliens are encountered by eyewitnesses then for other humans to believe with faith. God allows humans to approach Him in the same manner. He has the chosen prophets as the eyewitnesses and for the rest of human kind to believe with faith. Apparently, you don't know how a truth shall convey among humans. Humans consider "something" a legitimate candidate of truth for a reason. Again, I'll give an analogy here for you to have a clue. Is it Trump won the votes or is it Biden? At the end a human can choose to believe Trump won or Biden won, even under the circumstance that we clearly know that one of them must be a lie! Now go figuring out why! That being said, if God is true (let's assume so for a while and for the sake of arugment) the only possible way for this truth to convey is what you can see through the Holy Bible as a testimony from eyewitness accounts. Come on, surely you can do better than this, to figure things out especially about how a truth (of any kind) shall convey among humans!

[@trumpbellend6717]

@@kennywong5857 Lol _"pizza topping"_ 🤭😂 if you want to use this absurd analogy then I would say that wellbeing and the values it incorporate's is the "bread" and all the different subjective religious piffle is the "Topping" dear 😜

[@risennation1239]

Come to find out, there were morals before the Bible ever existed

[@Beiuspeak]

Jesus was truth and truth to ages

[@markmerry1471]

And we are right

[@galemiller7422]

I'm only at 4th way through this and I'm not sure what this guy's talking about?

[@vuho2075]

I never started watching at all and I don't care what he's talking about

[@garrethoien6666]

That English math guy is worse. Babble