Entrance examination and Math Olympiad Question in 2020. If you're reading this ❤️. What do you think about this problem? Hello My Friend ! Welcome to my channel. I really appreciate it! @higher_mathematics #maths #math
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@vbcool834 ай бұрын
From 2^x = 5, x = log 5 to the base 2 directly follows. No need to do any algebraic manipulation.
@JeeSpecific3 ай бұрын
Yes I also did same
@uwose3 ай бұрын
He uses the theorem to prove the definition of logarithm.
@beaumatthews64113 ай бұрын
For some reason they dothis shit all the time in school
@fatroberto30122 ай бұрын
@@beaumatthews6411 This question was undoubtedly first written long before calculators were invented, hence the simple solution x=log(5)/log(2) The answer would never be expected in log base 2 because the log tables used before calculators only had log base 10 (log) and natural log (ln). The final answer would be obtained using a slide rule. Fun methods that put a man on the Moon.
@ReasonableForseeability2 ай бұрын
I was going to say that. Cheers!
@barrym53104 ай бұрын
Once we had y^3 + y - 130 = 0, it was immediately clear that y = 5 and the problem was solved. I’m not sure that the approach of changing y to 26y - 25y is an easier approach; it seems it requires more insight. Your thoughts please.
@brandonhicks75494 ай бұрын
There are two more solutions, though complex. I agree that if you can see the (y-5) factor, it’s probably faster to just do the poly division.
@pavfrang4 ай бұрын
You divide the polynomial with y-5 and check the remainder, which is y²+5y+126. It's clearly a polynomial division issue. You should check the roots of the remainder because they could be real numbers too. So in general a solution other than 5 could be also feasible.
@jjeanniton4 ай бұрын
Ergo: x = ln(5)/ln(2)
@pavfrang4 ай бұрын
@@jjeanniton why using a base other than 2? It is clearly a base 2 logarithm: log2(5)
@AbbeyRoad691474 ай бұрын
Yep
@GillesF314 ай бұрын
With Cardano/Tartaglia formula we get the following reasonning: 8^x + 2^x = 130 (2^3)^x + 2^x = 130 (2^x)^3 + 2^x = 130 let k = 2^x k^3 + k = 130 k^3 + k - 130 = 0 k^3 + k - 130 = 0 is based on k³ + kp + q = 0 template, with: • p = 1 • q = -130 recall and application of the Cardano/Tartaglia formula: • k = [-q/2 + √(q²/4 + p³/27)]^(1/3) + [-q/2 - √(q²/4 + p³/27)]^(1/3) k = (-(-130)/2 + √(((-130)^2)/4 + ((1)^3)/27))^(1/3) + (-(-130)/2 - √(((-130)^2)/4 + ((1)^3)/27))^(1/3) k = 5 2^x = k = 5 2^x = 5 x = ln(5)/ln(2) x = 2.321928 ----- check ----- 8^x + 2^x = 130 8^2.321928 + 2^2.321928 = 129.999997 ----- final results ----- ■ x = ln(5)/ln(2) ■ x = 2.321928 🙂
@anson20754 ай бұрын
too long , when you let k = 2^x, let f(k) k^3+k-130=0 just find the factor of f(k), that's 5 ,(when k=5,f(k)=0),so that k-5 is the factor of f(k), use the long division method, we get (k-5)(k^2+5k+26)=0 k=5,k= (-5+/- sqrt(79)i)/2 2^x =5 x=log(2.,5) x=2.32 (3 con fig)
@tuankietle28453 ай бұрын
@@anson2075same thing really, cardano is more general to apply to other problem. Though a faster is observe x=5 is a solution of x^3 + x = 130, because x^3 + x is strictly monotonic so x=5 is the only real solution
@johnsmith1953x3 ай бұрын
So no complex values??! Huh?
@GillesF313 ай бұрын
@@johnsmith1953x Hi Sir, Below is the continuation as per your expectation... /// euclidean division • from k^3 + k - 130 = 0 we got k = 5 • k^3 + 0·k^2 + k - 130 = 0 • (k^3 + 0·k^2 + k - 130) / (k - 5) = (k^2 + 5k + 26) /// simple quadratic equation • k^2 + 5k + 26 = 0 • Δ = 5² - 4·1·26 = 25 - 104 = -79 • √Δ = ±i√79 -> root #1: k = (-5 + i√79)/(2·1) = -5/2 + i√79/2 -> root #2: k = (-5 - i√79)/(2·1) = -5/2 - i√79/2 /// root #1: k = -5/2 + i√79/2 1) mod of k: • mod = √[(5/2)^2 + (√79/2)^2] • mod = √(25/4 + 79/4) • mod = √(104/4) • mod = √26 2) arg of k: • arg(k) = π - arctan(√79/5) 3) exponential form of k: • k = √26·e^i·(π - arctan(√79/5)) 4) recall: k = 2^x: • 2^x = k = √26·e^i·(π - arctan(√79/5)) • 2^x = √26·e^i·(π - arctan(√79/5)) • x = ln(√26·e^i·(π - arctan(√79/5)))/ln(2) /// root #2: k = -5/2 - i√79/2 1) mod of k: • mod = √[(5/2)^2 + (√79/2)^2] • mod = √(25/4 + 79/4) • mod = √(104/4) • mod = √26 2) arg of k: • arg(k) = π - arctan(√79/5) 3) exponential form of k: • k = √26·e^i·(arctan(√79/5) - π) 4) recall: k = 2^x: • 2^x = k = √26·e^i·(arctan(√79/5) - π) • 2^x = √26·e^i·(arctan(√79/5) - π) • x = ln(√26·e^i·(arctan(√79/5) - π))/ln(2) /// final results ■ x = ln(5)/ln(2) ■ x = ln(√26·e^i·(π - arctan(√79/5)))/ln(2) ■ x = ln(√26·e^i·(arctan(√79/5) - π))/ln(2) 🙂
@Lolwutdesu90003 ай бұрын
Oh yeah sure because everyone remembers the cubic formula just like that. 😂
@apastasauce59053 ай бұрын
I just brute forced this knowing that 8*8 is 64 and 8*8*8 is 512 it would have to be between 2 & 3 then via estimation and guess and check 2.32 came the closest in approximation. Even though I know this method is wrong on a standardized test with multiple questions and limited time. It is effective having a “feel” for numbers and proportions gets you through most of these tests
@alonsobruni81313 ай бұрын
It is exactly how a physicist would calculate it
@frasras94473 ай бұрын
@@alonsobruni8131 **This is the way**
@I_am_who_I_am_who_I_am3 ай бұрын
You're either into physics or computer science. Mathematicians look for the exact symbolic value.
@apastasauce59053 ай бұрын
Physics and chemistry…I’m algorithmically challenged 🤣
@dutch-prepper65873 ай бұрын
Used same method in about 2 minutes. Might have been able to do it analytical 40 years ago.. Hardly used any analytical math since poly technical. It's now a distant memory.
@tehatte4 ай бұрын
From the line y^3+y-130=0 (y^3-125)+(y-5)=0 (y-5)(y^2+5y+25)+(y-5)=0 (y-5)(y^2+5y+26)=0 This way it took me 3 extra lines to get to the same result that the admin here took 6 lines.
@vadim648413 ай бұрын
A guess is a guess. Without demonstrating thinking process, replacing y = 26y - 25y is nothing but a guess, which teaches no general approach to solving similar problems. It is no better that noticing that y^3 + y grows pretty fast, so we only need to try a few integers to get 130. And 5 pops up almost instantly. It’s also a guess, but much more natural and less contrived.
@kromwe3 ай бұрын
agree with you, applying y = 25y - 25 y is far from a demonstration process, it is simply a trick. I prefer to use my brain and notice, as you did, that y^3+y grows fast
@morbidpizza80553 ай бұрын
Isn't that what mid term split is all about tho? We deliberately choose those factors that gives the constant on multiplying and the coefficient of the lesser degree variable in the equation on adding?
@krishpandey8543 ай бұрын
equations can have irrational, complex and non integer roots, which are often impossible to guess (although they can be approximated). What you made was a guess for an integer root, and its standard practice to check a cubic for an integer root first, and then use factor thereom. Sometimes, an integer root does not exist or is too large and you must use cleverer methods. You often need to find the complex roots (which were skipped over by the poster) It is not contrived to guess a particular factorisation. A lot of good algebra problems are about making clever observations, factorizations, splitting etc. Many good problems asked in olympiade and competetive exams all around the world are based on using clever little observations, which instantly simplify the problem. There are 'non contrived' ways to solve cubics, but they are absurdly long (check out the cubic formula. The derivation is pretty interesting). And they do not even exist for a polynomial equation greater than 4 degree.
@dOncRiMe61628 күн бұрын
Any integer root would divide 130. And because y > 0 we only need to check the positive ones.
@BritishBeachcomber3 ай бұрын
While watching this video at 2 AM, my brain slowly dies...
@imyourdaddy82433 ай бұрын
this is brain nourishment
@maxoupichou8883 ай бұрын
SAME!!! 2AM TOO!!
@EvaristoMusonda5263 ай бұрын
Same here😂
@DailyWorkoutEnjoyer3 ай бұрын
1:37 😢
@cartoondraamaa79953 ай бұрын
I am watching at 5.37 with red eyes 🫥
@dimakarelich4 ай бұрын
From 2^x=5 follows x=log5, base2. It is by a definition of logarithm!
@orlevene99643 ай бұрын
that's what I thought!
@fatroberto30122 ай бұрын
@@orlevene9964 Not normally left like that. The day will come when you have to use a calculator without a base 2 log function, so it is best to know how to change to base 10 or natural log.
@jpdemer53 ай бұрын
At the second step, if you can see that 2^x = 5, you have the answer, and you'll have time to answer some other questions. These questions usually rely on having an insight like this, rather than on grinding out a solution, so you should be asking at this point, "is there a cube slightly less than 130?"
@IITJEEAspirant2025-fj6hj2 ай бұрын
My approach before Watching this video put 2^x=t Now, we have a simple cubic equation t³+t=130 =>t(t²+1)=130 Now,by trail and error method Factors of 130 = 2×13×5 Putting t=5 in LHS,we get 5(25+1)=5×26=130 Hence the value of t=5 As,2^x=t (Taking logarithm both sides) =>xln2=lnt Put the value of t=5 x=ln5/ln2 Got the answer by simple algebra manipulation and took 2 minutes to write and seconds to solve
@BeholdTheLight232 ай бұрын
It is much easier to follow also :)
@ffggddss2 ай бұрын
Once you have the cubic in t, just try looking for a perfect cube that's not much less than 130. Trying 125 = 5³, we have the solution, because 5³ + 5 = 130. The rest follows as you describe. Fred
@yashbabal79502 ай бұрын
Yup you just need basic 10th grade mathematics fundamental concepts and you can solve it easily within 3 minutes This made me realise how hard Jee Advance is.
@mancinieric2 ай бұрын
I'm impressed to see so many alternative solutions. I see that the followers of this channel are true mathematicians. Well done! I would have solved the cubic equation using synthetic division. Best regards from Bogota.
@kylecollins37553 ай бұрын
I have never felt so bad at math in my life as I did trying to figure this problem out. Wow!!
@wobaguk4 ай бұрын
As soon as I saw that we had a cubic to solve, and 130 has a prime factorisation to 3 primes, 2x5x13, I knew one of them was going to be a candidate! Also if you dont do the 26-25 trick, and consider what the coeficients of general cubic would be, given there is no y^2 coeficient, you get the property that the sum of the roots is 0, and the product of the roots is 26.
@jpl5693 ай бұрын
Let us replace 2^x by X, then X^3 + X = 130, and evidently X = 5 is a solution. As the function X -> X^3 + X is strictly increasing on R+, the value 130 is reached by the single X = 5. So the unique real solution is given by 2^x = 5, i.e. x = Log 5 / Log 2. Thank you for your videos !
@smallw20033 ай бұрын
A middle schooler with a calculator: Nah Id win
@vikrantsingh65803 ай бұрын
I don't think you can do this with a calculator? whats the approach here
@stannate3 ай бұрын
@@vikrantsingh6580you can actually with a sceintific calculator
@raheelkhan-ek9qe3 ай бұрын
not funny and you cant do it with calculator either
@stannate3 ай бұрын
@@raheelkhan-ek9qe you actually can bruh
@raheelkhan-ek9qe3 ай бұрын
@@stannate how then bruh
@zedby2114 ай бұрын
Interesting video, but if you're going to write the product as 26*5, why not just write it as 25*5 + 5 since you have y^3 + y, so 125+5 = y^3 + y, 5^3 + 5 = y^3 + y therefore y = 5 x = log_2(5).
@assassinmaniac11133 ай бұрын
ln5/ln2 is the ans. I am currently in 11th and i did this by basic algebra. Assume 2^x = t and then youll get a cubic eqⁿ. One of its roots by inspection is 5, and the other remaining Quad. Eqⁿ is a always +ve factor, so it doesnt matter. Hence there is only 1 solⁿ, y=5 => 2^x=5, ln(2^x)= ln5, x(ln2)=ln5 x=> ln5/ln2 or log5 base 2👍🏻
@andrewclifton97722 ай бұрын
You don't need natural logs. Log base 10 works perfectly as does any base. ln isn't wrong but you don't need it.
@pukulu3 ай бұрын
By inspection, 2 to the x = 5. Hence x = ln5/ln2
@andrewclifton97722 ай бұрын
8^x + 2^x = 130. 8 = 2^3 so we have 2^3x + 2^x = 130. You can say, immediately, that by inspection 2^x = 5 because 5^3 + 5 = 125 + 5 =130. Thus x = log5/log2 . I can't do that in my head - I know it's 2 point something and my best guess would be around 2.3 - but a few seconds on a calculator tells me that x = 2.3219 to 5 sig fig. Or if you need a little more time you can try 2^x = y so y^3 + y = 130 and again you can immediately see that y = 5. The rest follows - no need for all that manipulation for a simple problem which is what, I think, the Cambridge examiners would want to see. No need to use a sledgehammer to crack a peanut.
@doodlebeans29593 ай бұрын
Algorithm gave me this after looking up beginner algebra for my 7 year old (she wanted to know!). I haven’t done this math in, oh, 10 years and some of it before then. So while everyone else can spot the obvious based on the comments, I really did enjoy the extra explanations. I could follow fairly well despite not having used those neural pathways in a very long time. Perhaps if someone had done so when I first leaned this math, I’d be an MD instead of an attorney!
@kyintegralson96563 ай бұрын
Lets write the complex roots, as well. y²+5y+26=0 ⇒ y=√26·[(-5±i√79)/(2√26)]. To evaluate log of y, we choose the branch cut of the log to be the non-positive real half-line & restrict the arguments of the complex numbers to lie between -π & π. Then, log₂(y)=log₂(√26·[(-5±i√79)/(2√26)])=log₂(√26·e^(±iθ)) for θ=cos⁻¹(-5/(2√26))≅.663π ⇒ log₂(y)=log₂(26)/2±iθ/ln(2) where "ln" is the natural log.
@vanjakoruncev54524 ай бұрын
You could substitute y=2**x then use the rational root theorem to find the factor (x-5)
@marcelocampos6654 ай бұрын
Much better.
@4fgaming9253 ай бұрын
thats what I did lol
@Rorimac672 ай бұрын
What an absurd long solution. Thanks I never thought of going to cambridge but earning a lot of money without killing my brain. :-)
@tegathemenace2 ай бұрын
What do you do
@varoonnone7159Ай бұрын
@@tegathemenace Flexing, that's his job and it doesn't pay well
@Sigma.Infinity2 ай бұрын
u³+u = 130. Think of a number whose cube + the number = 130. Obviously 125+5=130, so 2^x = 5. Hence x = log5/log2 = log₂5. Very easy. Did it in my head from the thumbnail!
@KipIngram2 ай бұрын
8^x + 2^x = 130 (2^3)^x + 2^x = 130 (2^x)^3 + 2^x = 130 u = 2^x u^3 + u = 130 u^3 + u - 130 = 0 u=5 is a root (u^3 = 125, 125 + 5 - 130 = 0). So, 5 = 2^x log(5) = log(2^x) log(5) = x*log(2) x = log(5)/log(2) This does indeed solve the equation. There would be another pair of solutions, which we could get by factoring x-5 out of the cubic and solving by usual quadratic methods.
@spiritlessgaming68162 ай бұрын
Easy ques and i m going to Cambridge...wish me luck❤
@piotrstrzelczyk50132 ай бұрын
I have graduated in Mechanical Engineering from RUT in Poland. 32 years ago. And I solved this problem in three lines. :) Applying logarithms.
@piotrstrzelczyk50132 ай бұрын
Good Luck! :D
@spiritlessgaming68162 ай бұрын
@@piotrstrzelczyk5013 Thanks mate :)
@tegathemenace2 ай бұрын
@@piotrstrzelczyk5013 same but i keep getting 2. I changed 130 to 2⁷ + 2. Changed the other side to powers of 2 as well Took log, then cancelled And ended up with 4x = 8
@Vikingman20242 ай бұрын
Using bracketing (artillery method for finding range of target) and trial and error method should be able to do it in one or two minutes which would be much faster and more importantly less prone to algebraic error, but of course less elegant. Also if it is a multiple choice test you could quickly try the different answers and find the correct one in very little time.
@CrazyClipsTV1233 ай бұрын
Being a middle school student i thought that this is an algebra equation in one variable😂😂. I thought it is 8x + 2x = 130 and here x = 13 i was like it is so damn easy why are they freaking out😂😂😂
@navykeefАй бұрын
Don’t feel bad I thought the same, but I’m a middle aged idiot! You still have a chance 😊
@marzipanhoplite17Ай бұрын
By observation from y^3+y-130=0 we get y=5 so x=(ln5/ln2) which verifies the initial equation
@ChollieD3 ай бұрын
Nice problem. It would be more helpful if you explained why the substitution y = 26y - 25y would actually occur to you at the step you take it, rather than just show that "it works out nicely". Why not instead notice that 130 = 13 x 10, and proceed with y = 13y - 12y? I.e., explain that because 25 is a perfect square you'll get a factoring present in a moment.
@stevereade48583 ай бұрын
8 EXP X = 4*2 exp x Re-writing the equa. 4*2 exp x + 2 exp x = 5* 2 exp x = 130; 2 exp x = 130/5; x log 2 = 26; x = log 26/log 2. Solve from there. Basically, 2 exp 6 = 128, so we're looking for x
@j_r283 ай бұрын
Oh okay I see you went for the longer method. The moment I saw the question the intuition was very clear because of exponential I immediately used log on both sides, and put the values to the calculator.
@bjornfeuerbacher55142 ай бұрын
Using log on the left hand side does not help you in any way for solving this equation.
@calebjohnson32543 ай бұрын
Newton’s method gives an approximation of log5/log2 by nine significant digits. Super cool problem!
@guest_informant3 ай бұрын
Let y= 2^x y^3 + y = 130 y = 5 x = log to the base 2 of 5. There's a fair bit of luck in this approach but it genuinely took about 30s.
@eNuff_Said2 ай бұрын
Interesting. The solution hinges on writing 130 = 5 x 26, which is noted and exploited in the on-screen "working out". Similarly observed: 26 = 25 + 1 = 5^2 + 1. Hence 130 = 5 x (5^2 + 1) = 5^3 + 5. Comparing 5^3 + 5 = 130 with 8^x + 2^x = 130 suggests 2^x = 5 and 8^x = 5^3, the latter of which can be rewritten 8^x = (2^3)^x = (2^x)^3 = 5^3, confirming that 2^x = 5. Finally, 2^x = 5 => x = log5/log2, as stated on-screen.
@mariox7292 ай бұрын
The first thought is to replace 8 with 2^3, then cubic equation follows. We do not expect kids to remember Tartaglias formula so this is a dead end. If we hope for a integer solution it is good to remember that the free term (130) is a multiplicative of all 3 roots. Indeed it can be factired as 2*5*13. By checking al divisors of 130 (2,5,10, 13, 26, 65) it turns out that 5 is a solution and it is easy to see that it is also the only real solution.
@eversut12 ай бұрын
2^2=a a^3 + a = a (a^2 +1) = 130 = 2*5*13 a (a^2 +1) = 5 (5^2 + 1) = 130 a=5........2^X=5 X = log2(5) log2(4)=2 log2(8)=3 So log2(5) must be 2,3+
@davidbennett2883 ай бұрын
I tighten bolts and signal cranes for a living and got this inside of about 3 seconds. Cambridge should really tighten up their entrance requirements.
@pbassassinz80973 ай бұрын
Well your overqualified for your job then and should look for a job that requires more intellect than tightening bolts because only 1% of adults in the general population could solve this problem.
@charlesstimler92763 ай бұрын
You tighten bolts and signal cranes for a living, but that doesn't mean that you aren't a math genius too!
@davidbennett2883 ай бұрын
@@charlesstimler9276 Arithmetic, geometry, and algebra maybe. I have zero clue about calculus
@Phaedrus-th7biАй бұрын
Eureka, my insomnia has been cured. (Fell asleep at 4 min.)
@ordenax3 ай бұрын
Just substitute 2^x as t and solve it. Done. Wow! If this is one of three harder questions of the paper, i can crack it.
@mkill5723 ай бұрын
Just do prime factorials of 130 = 5^2 * 2 * 3 Once you have y^3 + y = 130 = y^2 * (y+1) you now need to remember that 2 * 3 = 5 + 1 and you’re done
@gilbertoemorenod3 ай бұрын
If you use prime numbers, the equation is easy to solve. That is 2^3x +2^x=(2)(5)(13) but this can also be written (2^x)(2^2x + 1)=(5)(26). And therefore 2^x=5 and x=log2(5).
@NitikaPradhan-il4gk3 ай бұрын
I’m from India, an eleventh grade student and this is my soln- 8^x + 2^x = 130 2^3x + 2^x = 65 * 2 Take 2^x common 2^x (2^2x + 1) = 2 * 65 Now, 2^x = 2, (x=1) And, 2^2x + 1 = 65 2^2x = 64 2^2x = 2^6, (x = 3) Please correct me if I’m wrong
@captainteutonica54742 ай бұрын
The answer to the title card is: (8 x 13)+(2 x 13)=130 X=13 Technically it is simple division but you get there by multiplication. You take the 130 as your cap and see how many times you can multiply the 8 to fit in there. While leaving room for the 2 times whatever, by repeating the process for the 2 and adjusting the 8's multiple as needed you'll get to the point the that you're multiplying both numbers by the same ammount to fill out the cap. Which is what you want in this case. 8x + 2x = 130 ( 8 × *X* ) + ( 2 × *X* ) = 130 ( 8 ×13 ) + ( 2 × 13 ) = 130 8 × 13 = 104 2 x 13 = 26 104 + 26 = 130 X = 13
@videodlrvm22 ай бұрын
Just eliminate the common factors x and do the math... SIMPLIFY...
@UNFORGIVEN18214 ай бұрын
X = Log(130)/ Log8 + Log2 = 2.3
@sadly_unpopular3 ай бұрын
logs dont work like that brother
@digbycrankshaft75723 ай бұрын
No
@peterbrockway59903 ай бұрын
y=5 because life's short and when faced with y^3+y=130 you check what you can before being forced to argue as you must. Are there other relevant solutions to the cubic? Picture the graphs of 2^x and 8^x for real x. On the LHS of the origin we have a small sum,
@artartful8542 ай бұрын
It's comes to 8+2 = 10. X is 13. I failed algebra and did this in my head. 104 + 26.
@mbmillermo2 ай бұрын
If you like base-10 logs, log(5) = log(10/2) = log(10) - log(2) = 1-log(2), so you get x = 1/log(2) - 1. We know log(2) = 0.30103, so we can quickly compute it.
@pavelorlov67852 ай бұрын
I think your approach is more complicated and time-consuming (since it's an entrance exam and the time is limited, we should consider the easiest and the fastest approach to minimize the probability of mistakes and spend the least amount of your time). So, for me, it was faster and simpler to make in this way: 8^x + 2^x = 130 2^3x + 2^x =130 2^x = p; x=log p [base2] 2^3log p [base 2] + 2^log p [base2] = 130 p³ + p = 130 p(p² + 1) =130 Now we can just pick a number, the calculations are not complicated. We need to find a number that, when squared, is not too big (because it will then multiply by itself). We can consider the cubes of numbers from 3 to 6 because they are quite easy to calculate in your head. 3³=27, 4³= 64, 5³= 125, 6³=216. The cube of 5 is closest to 130, so we can easily and quickly check that 5 is the answer for p(p²+1)=130 (I think it is not difficult to calculate 26*5 in your head). If you have had experience with quick mental arithmetic at school or with your tutor, then to pick up number in this equation will take you no more than a minute and a half. p=5 x=log5 [base2]. Your thoughts
@zetacrucis681Ай бұрын
2:00 Just leave the 130 on the RHS and factorise the LHS: y (y^2 + 1) = 130, 130 = 5 × 26 = 5 × (5^2 + 1) y = 5.
@guilhermedealmeida22997 күн бұрын
Good work. But too long. When we arrive at the point 2^x=5 (at 7:37 moment), we have by definition 2^x=5 x= log 5 in base 2. Why so many steps?
@thrillingtales19202 ай бұрын
Miss those jee advanced days. Glad to see our students are much advanced, if this is the standard of the paper
@varoonnone7159Ай бұрын
How come no Nobel Prize winners or Fields Medallists has ever come out of any IIT ?
@ItaloBrito-yt1gfАй бұрын
I make this: 8^x+2^x=130 (2^x)^3+2^x=5^3+5 If we named 2^x as Y. Therefore, we have: Y^3+y=5^3+5 Which immediately means that Y=5 So, 2^x=5. The equation show us that the answer is log 5 to the base of 2=x 😁
@TriPham-j3b3 ай бұрын
8 base 10 = 100 base 2 =2^3 (2^3)^2= 2^3x So 8^x +2 ^x = 130 = 2^3x +2^x = 130 base 10 = 1000001 Ln( (2^3x ) + 2^x ) = ln(1000001) 3x^2 = 2*ln(10^6) 3x^2 = 2 * 6 X= {(2^3)/√3} 8÷1.73 = x X = 4.62 So it either had different matgatical definition of operations or tgey had no anwer because wrong hypotheses when 8^0.865361 + 2 ^0.865361 = 7.868223 base 2 = nearly exact 130 in base ten So x is approximately 0.868223 So
@gwynj3 ай бұрын
Before watching (so I might be very ashamed after!)... but it seems too easy. The BIG clue is that 8 is a power of 2 (2 cubed). So 8^x is (2^3)^x. And then we need a bit of substitution, so y for 2^x. Which means we have y^3 + y = 130 and it's clear there are very few options (as cubes get big quickly, so 6 is already a bust). It (y) must be 5. so 2^x = 5 and 8^x = 125. x is a bit more than 2 (2.2 or 2.3 ish). so i need a calculator to get exact number. or just express as logs as 2^x = 5 is same as x log 2 = log 5 therefore x = log 5/log 2. which is 2.322. And, of course, 8^2.322 + 2^2.322 is roughly 130. (130.019)
@onesevenfiveoneАй бұрын
I gave this problem to the new ChatGPT model (o1) and it got the same answer and solved it in a very similar way (although without the 26y - 25y stuff). Impressed!
@BubaSillah-uk6kw4 ай бұрын
After substituting y, we could factor out y and find the product of 130. y(y^2+1)=130 y(y^2+1)=26×5 y=5 y^2+1=26 y^2=26-1 y^2=25 y=+5,-5 but y=5 is the same as th other one. Therefore since both y are equal then y=5 Then we can solve for x
@maxhagenauer244 ай бұрын
But you cant just turn 130 into any 2 numbers you want to then set y equal to them multiplied together because there are infinitely many combinations. You could make it 2*65 if you wanted and get something completely different.
@BubaSillah-uk6kw4 ай бұрын
It is about choosing a the product that captures it the best
@blackmagick773 ай бұрын
Yeah all that was my first thought too. Easy work 😶
@d.jensen51532 ай бұрын
When I got my first programmable calculator, an HP25, I wrote a simple bisection routine to solve the countless equations I came up with when taking physics exams. That is still how I would choose to solve problems like this. I leave math to the mathematicians. Professors, who had been raised at a time when 4k of memory had to be rented because it was too expensive to buy, would tell me my approach was too expensive. I think about those comments every time I look at my stash of gigahertz laptops that are collecting dust.
@jonnamechange68543 ай бұрын
I'm starting to freak out that after reading most of the comments I can't find any criticism of the line at 3:43 that claims y^3 + 25y = y (y^2 - 5) What am I missing here?
@jonnamechange68543 ай бұрын
I had paused the video to look for comments. After continuing the video all is well, and I am no longer freaking out.
@dohan47892 ай бұрын
@@jonnamechange6854 Ha ha, so much anguish, happened to me too... and it took just a couple of seconds of patience to find salvation!
@andrewclifton97722 ай бұрын
Yes - that gave me a WTF moment until he corrected himself a line or two later.
@cykkm2 ай бұрын
7:40 Since you've mentioned complex solutions, 2^x=5 has a foliating solution in ℂ, just like any logarithm. By the fundamental theorem of algebra, there are 3 solutions in ℂ to the cubic polynomial in y, so there were not even a need to compute D to find out that there are 2 more solutions for y in ℂ\ℝ. That there is only one y∈ℝ⁺ is clear if you rewrite y³=130−y and consider both sides as functions ℝ⁺→ℝ⁺: [y³=f(y)]=[g(y)=130−y]. Both f and g are continuous and surjective, so f=g has at most one solution. Note that f(y) is also monotonically increasing, g(y) decreasing in y, so there exists a solution. The other two got to be complex. Just for the fun of it, since 2^x=exp(x log 2), the solution to exp(x log 2)=5 is foliating in ℂ: x=(log 5/log 2) + 2πki/log 2, k∈ℤ. x∈ℝ only for k=0, obviously. The complex roots of y²+5y+25=0 are not only extremely ugly, as you correctly noted, but also ought to foliate with the same period 2πki/log 2.
@Mike-H_UKАй бұрын
I suspect that Cambridge tripos candidates would be expected to consider the complex solutions as well.
@freddyalvaradamaranon3042 ай бұрын
Muy interesante video, muchas gracias por compartir tan buena explicación. 😊❤😊.
@hayam46752 ай бұрын
This is scary, I seriously respect people who understand math . What a torture ?!
@Sammysapphira2 ай бұрын
It's basic algebra that every single middle schooler learns
@ThePond135Ай бұрын
Not necessarily. I never had this in highschool
@OmarMohammad-wy7uc3 ай бұрын
it is far long, its shorter answer x^2(1-x)=12 and 12= 4*3 so 1-x=3 x=-2 and x^2=4 x=-2 so, the answer is (-2).
@denniskisule813128 күн бұрын
I really anticipated the iterative methods of numerical methods,Jacobi iteration and Gauss-sidel
There should be 3 complex roots if the principal value of ln z is used. One of which is the solution presented.
@brettess523 ай бұрын
It's really easier to solve when you already know the answer.
@YAWTon3 ай бұрын
It is immedistely obvious that there exists exactly one real solution (the LHS is a monotonically increasing bijective function from the reals to the positive reals). Since 8=2^3 and 130=5^3+5 we have x=ld(5), where ld denotes the logarithmus dualis.
@archangecamilien1879Ай бұрын
That would mean 2^{3x)+2^x = 130 => 2^x [2^(2x) + 1] = 130...hmm...don't see any easy integer answers...maybe set y=2^x, lol, and get y^3 + y = 130...not sure if that helps much...ah, y=5...5^3 + 5 = 125 + 5 = 130...so y=5 is a solution...so 2^x = 5 => x = log _2(5)...
@afterthesmash2 ай бұрын
Once you have a cubic, you have a known algebraic solution. Finding clever ways to extract the root quickly after this point is just a Sudoku puzzle.
@vickyk18612 ай бұрын
2:25 i didint get it why you write y=26x25
@ahmedabir59862 ай бұрын
yes also didn’t understand whats tge relation between 130=26*5 and 26y-25y?
@RexxSchneider3 ай бұрын
When you have 8^x + 2^x you have something cubed + something. That makes 130 = 125 + 5, so the something is clearly 5. Then 2^x = 5 and x = log5 / log2. Exponentials like these don't have multiple real solutions, because they are positive and monotonically increasing, so that's the only real solution. That takes less than 30 seconds, not 10 minutes, and you really need not to be hanging about on a Cambridge entrance exam.
u = 2^x u^3 + u - 130 = 0 5 is the obvious real answer. (u^3 + 0u^2 + u - 130)/(u - 5) = u^2 + 5x + 26. Quadratic equation for the two complex answers. Then back substitute. The real answer is easy: ln(5)/ln(2). Back substituting the complex answers are a pain in the butt and I'm not going to bother.
I used to be amazed by calculus, I was never fluent, I was really bad memorizing all these little rules. This feels like someone playing guitar really well in front of me but I'm into electronic... Like dude I wish I had the same passion for this subject.
@AYTM12002 ай бұрын
My approach was 8^x + 2^x = 130 2^3x + 2^x = 128 + 2 2^3x + 2^x = 2^7 + 2^1 3x + x = 7 + 1 4x = 8 x = 2 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@marie-michelevallee80052 ай бұрын
Why do suppose Y^3 - 25Y equal Y(Y^2 - 5) instead of Y(Y^2 - 25)
@zdrastvutyeАй бұрын
what People should consider that this is not as easy as it Looks like because 128+2=130 but it won't lead to the solution: 10 print "higher mathematics-can you pass cambridge entrance exam?" 20 x=1:goto 50:rem das newton verfahren anwenden 30 dx=(8^x+2^x-130)/(ln(8)*8^x+ln(2)*2^x):x=x-dx:return 50 gosub 30:if abs(dx) run in BBC Basic sdl and hit ctrl tab to copy from the results window
@arslanali2603 ай бұрын
Simply way is 2^x + 8^x =130 10^x = 130 and taking log on both sides (10^x)log = (130)log x=2.11
@itz_shizan21282 ай бұрын
As an indian i say . Math Olympiad questions are easy asf
@nigelrafferty25452 ай бұрын
Rather laborious. If you don't find quick solutions you won't have time to do enough questions. Let Y = 2^X, so Y^3 + Y = 130 so Y = 5. Now 2^7 = 128 and 5^3 = 125 so X is a little bit less than 7/3 which is 2.33. So you don't need to look up logs. I imagine they are looking for people who think rather than doing maths by rote
@indianbullet3 ай бұрын
Let's put a box around it. How exciting.
@archangecamilien18793 ай бұрын
Rewrite it, with a=2^x, a^3 + a = 130...guessing, lol, you can use a=5, that seems to work, 5^3 + 5 = 125 + 5 = 130...that means that 2^x = 5 is a solution, so that x= log_2(5), etc...
@vplphАй бұрын
Love the y= 26y -25y out of nowhere step.
@gardenjoy5223Ай бұрын
Remember this being taught in school, when I was about 13-14 years old. Never once used it. Forgot it completely. Then, at age 43, I needed to pass an exam for a certain university and I was taught such things again. Never ONCE used it. Forgot it completely. This is like learning a language, that only few people speak for real in the world. I was taught several languages in school as well. Didn't know it at the time, but that has proven to be excellent usable knowledge, that I literally use each and every day in my normal life. The history lessons keep from falling for just any propaganda. The geography lessons gave me basic understanding of who's where in the world, science and biology brought some insight too. But THIS? Completely superfluous. An utter waste of time. This ought not to be taught in schools.
@argoneum2 ай бұрын
First thought: "Oh, that's simple, just 128 + 2, which is 2⁷ + 2¹" Then after diving in: "Something between 2 and 3, if they chose =68 or =520 this would be simple"
@Georg.LödingАй бұрын
2::19 he says: "130 can be read as the product of 26 times 5" --- 130 = 26 x 5 --- WOW! UNBELIEVABLE! --- For a) 130 = 65 x 2 is the same as b) 130 = 13 x 10 *WHY* did he not choose a) y = 65y - 64y or b) y = 13y - 12y ???
@garyzimmer41492 ай бұрын
At 3:30 factoring out y from y^3 -25y how does this become y(y^2-5) not y(y^2-25) ?
@garyzimmer41492 ай бұрын
corrected 10 seconds later....ok.
@MartelloClaudio3 ай бұрын
Smart solution way 😉. I just prefer to use Ruffini's theorem to reduce the degree of the polynomial expression from grade 3 to grade 2
@fraserwood99533 ай бұрын
I speak 5 languages and have degrees from Oxford and the Sorbonne and am a Fellow of the Royal Schools of Music. But my mind totally boggles at this, I am in awe. I guess you can’t have everything.
@tanvilalan36022 ай бұрын
This was so damn easy like I had started preparing more jee about 4 months ago, and still solved it, like this exam zeems so easy and nothing compared to jee if these type of questions come in it
@varoonnone7159Ай бұрын
And yet no Nobel Prize winner or Fields Medallists has ever come out of an IIT
@michaelodonnell57102 ай бұрын
I love your videos, but I wonder why your audio signal is so low compared to most others?
@yotoober12 ай бұрын
Why doesn't using base 10 logs work here? 🤔 Such as: x( log 8) + x(log 2) = log 130 Then solve for x 🤯
@andrewclifton97722 ай бұрын
It does not matter what base you use: log5/log2 will always give the same number.
Here is my question. Can Mr. Expert of "Higher Mathmatics" solve: 8ⁿ + 2ⁿ = 131 => (2³)ⁿ + 2ⁿ = 131 =>(2ⁿ)³ + 2ⁿ = 131 Let 2ⁿ = y => y³ + y = 131 *GOOD* *LUCK*
@elreturner12273 ай бұрын
I’ll be honest with you I might be screwed I’ve done so many questions like these my first thought was “I’ll take the natural log of both sides” and my second thought was “maybe we can write in u as 3x my brain is so calculusified I can’t solve basic algebra
@alphalunamare4 ай бұрын
Log base 2 of 5 falls out by simple inspection! Why so difficult?
@DedMatveev3 ай бұрын
В который раз вижу ролик этого автора и никогда задача не ставится корректно. Найдём корни - КАКИЕ? - действительные, комплексные, рациональные, гиперкомплексные😅, ещё какие-нибудь... Это, извините, задача вступительных экзаменов, тут надо точно формулировать задание. А то в одном месте ищет ВСЕ комплексные решения, а тут - "извините, комплексные слишком сложные, мы их искать не будем". Ха-ха. Это не серьезный подход