Can You Slam People in BJJ? (When is it legal?)

[@star_fossil]

Adam actually cracked a smile when you called him thicc. Beautiful!

[@MotivationCRE]

He liked it. :)

[@sweetchildofnine6677]

That one video dude slamming his opponent through the scoring table

[@richardgallagher4880]

+5

[@timdoescrypto6708]

Good God Almighty!

[@reflex6907]

@@timdoescrypto6708 that man had a family

[@Krack2805]

i commented on IG to the coach to teach that boy some control and respect... if its the same vid lmao

[@schenksteven1]

American folkstyle has developed a pretty solid definition of what constitutes a slam. If you pick your opponent off the mat, you are responsible for his safe return to the mat. This means any uncontrolled drop onto your opponents head/neck would be considered a slam. Also, picking your opponent up and then using your body to drive them back down into the mat on their back/side/head would also be a slam. However, throws where the opponent is rolling, or thrown to their back without being driven into the mat, would be considered acceptable. These are the "slam" rules, but they are applied very strictly at the grade school level, moderately at the HS level, and very leniently at the college level. In college you pretty much have to be trying to injure an opponent to get called for a slam, but it does get called.

[@vedu8519]

Really would love to see sport BJJ adapt the rule that if you pick your opponent up into a "slamming position" from guard or from a sub attempt that the match gets reset starting from a neutral standing position.

[@jiujitsujunkee]

In a points tournament, points should be awarded to the would-be slammer. I would almost go as far as saying in sub-only/cjj, getting a good slam opportunity should count as a sub. I've put you in position where I'm one step away from injuring you and ending the match, sounds like a sub to me

[@tiggster99]

That’s hilarious man 😂 how is picking somebody up a submission when the person holding on could just let go? All they have to do is release closed guard and yet you think it should count as a submission? What a take

[@vedu8519]

@@tiggster99 I didn't say it should count as a submission. I said if you are picked up while in a guard or a submission attempt the match should reset in a neutral standing position. Many aspects of sports BJJ are scored upon effectiveness and the ability to finish a fight from that position. If you are in a position to slam your opponent to hell, why should the bottom player be protected under that ruleset? Start them back standing...

[@tiggster99]

I agree, start them standing again, it was a response more so to the reply on this comment saying a good slam opportunity should count as a sub. That’s just ludicrous as the guy in guard getting picked up could just open the guard back up again and be free to wrestle. Overall totally agree though can’t be getting picked up in guard and protected by ref just cause you don’t wanna open guard and decide to hang like a sloth 😂

[@ZeusEBoy]

@@jiujitsujunkee no then go to wrestling. slams are a part of wrestling not bjj. grappling is innately separate from wrestling. grappling is about moving on their body rather than moving thier body. if you want to slam go to wrestling or mixed. thats like me saying i couldve thrown an elbow in boxing so it shouldve been a knockout. no cause thats no longer boxing.

[@jeffjitsuvideos]

If it is a throw starting on the feet or a sweep starting in guard, it is not a slam. However, if you are escaping a hold or starting in turtle, and you pick your opponent up and slam them to the mat, that could be called a slam. Also, spiking is a separate illegal technique which can happen starting anywhere if you throw someone on their head.

[@jamestk656]

I once had a guy right off the street try to slam me while I had my triangle on him but the coach stopped it in time. That was also the last time that I'd be unprepared for it because a coach won't always be watching. Now, I always underhook the leg hard at the knee if I get even a whiff of the other guy trying to stand. I have short legs though so my triangle tends to loosen when I do that due to having too much of an angle so I just try for a shoulder lock or arm bar instead.

[@jediflamaster]

If slamming isn't allowed and being in a position to slam does nothing for you, jumping guard shouldn't be allowed either.

[@theparodymonster1]

the way i like to view it is: i go for a double leg (for example). pick them up and put them down in one continous, controlled motion=ok. no slam. i go for the same double leg but i pick them up, hold them there flr a second or two before throwing both myself and them onto the ground with force=not ok. slam

[@garywingrove6546]

Adam did not think too highly of this question 😂

[@dragonballjiujitsu]

At my school we don't train for sport and anyone at blue belt or above is allowed to slam if the other person is stupid enough to hold on. Not allowing slams encourages bad habits that will absolutely carry over to an actual fight. Don't want to get slammed? Don't hold guard or underhook the leg so you don't get picked up. ANYONE who doesn't know Jiu-jitsu that you might end up fighting is going to slam you on your head. Better it happen a couple times under control on a mat than for real on concrete because you trained stupid habits.

[@kanucks9]

100% A friend of mine got into a fight with a (bad) BJJ guy. He jumped guard, and was held up in the air, repeatedly punched in the face, until his back got tired and they fell to the ground, where he swept to mount and stopped fighting. But they were on tile - had my friend slammed him, he could have fucking died. Don't start first fights lol

[@jiujitsumemoir]

Yeah slamming at the gym is a big no no. If anyone picks me up at the gym I will ditch everything to stay on the mat

[@ksonss]

Adam

[@saggeweea1873]

Adam

[@gageabdul]

Adam

[@brycamp3237]

My little 5’5 self is use to this 😬. My big bro who is 6’2 always does his wrestling moves on me. So annoying 😂

[@JD2jr.]

What about a "suplex"/ura-nage?

[@ShawnSwander]

how do they call it if the guy is in turtle and stands up and you use the freestyle wrestling arch return to the side. This can be done with a lot of control but it's got a reputation of being a slam even in some folkstyle wrestling situations. I've heard EBI requires a competitor to release a submission if they are lifted above the hipline. Perhaps simulating that a slam would defend the submission?

[@bigbabbyjaime]

What about suplex? Please do a video on can you do suplex.

[@ShawnSwander]

the rule is the takedown can't "project force" on the head or neck. They often call supplex as a slam and people take a fall like in soccer even though I've seen thousands of suplex in freestyle without injury. Basically it depends on if your opponent is a good actor.

[@ZeusEBoy]

@@ShawnSwander a suplex on the head to spine is a spike, youre not supposed to slam anyone that way,. suplexes are part of wrestling and not bjj. also wwe is acting, real freestyle and greco-roman wrestling exist and use it. they dont suplex in folkstyle, but even in greco or freestyle its only legal if they arent dropped on their head with weight going vertically onto their spine. again thats a spike and spikes are not legal anywhere. only if youre in a real fight.

[@UtiNo6]

Origin GI's are amazing!! Love their stuff.

[@jessesmith8079]

Can you please do a video on tips for a bigger guy going against smaller guys please!! Im a big guy and can usually play the big man game but against smaller guys that destroy me. Thank you brother you are the best

[@christophervelez1561]

The judo rule used to be lead to a win by ippon for the lift.

[@ZeusEBoy]

judo is one of the primary parent arts of bjj so i would say whatever is illegal in judo probably is in most bjj. For example scissor (kick) takedowns, a kani basami, kawazu gake, or most notably a daki age. which if you look up is essentially a simple slam like the one chew demonstrated

[@kanucks9]

​@@ZeusEBoythat's exactly what he's talking about. Daki age was ippon, just for the setup - you weren't supposed to complete the throw.

[@ZeusEBoy]

@@kanucks9 yah i know, i was kinda just expanding, actually meant to post it under a different comment

[@jackfisher1921]

I understand how dangerous the slam is. It should be illegal to do it. However, considering what an effective defense to the guard a slam is: There should be a restart if a person holding guard gets picked up.

[@Randall_jitsu]

I wonder if the hammer throw is bjj legal?

[@robertquinn1016]

if you can jump to guard why cant you slam them (coming down with them) ? in a competitive combat sport its confusing (I'm an outsider trying to understand plz don't flame me)

[@rocelderamos3013]

So throws that are hard to control like Duck-under Lift/Te Guruma, German Suplex/Ura Nage, and Alligator Death Roll are a no-no? 🤔

[@seanyd5698]

What about a choke slam from the top of the steel cage?.. is that legal in bjj?

[@Chewjitsu]

As long as it's in a steel cage.

[@seanyd5698]

@@Chewjitsu 🤣

[@OfficialWiseArt]

apparently ibjjf is stricter in this regard than ADCC. Idk how CJI will be.

[@Chewjitsu]

I'm sure CJI will be similar to ADCC. Craig is a gamer, I doubt he's be strict about it.

[@sleze]

I always felt that if you were able to pick someone up and have the ability to slam them, that should be considered some sort of TKO and end the fight. In the examples chewy mentioned, the lifted opponent is basically defenseless the same as if they were unconscious.

[@andrecheongavocadojudo2114]

We'll probably see a lot of big people "slamming" smaller guys in the absolute division

[@sleze]

@@andrecheongavocadojudo2114 And I think that would make sense. If you are a smaller opponent, you should avoid getting into that situation. On my first lesson, this MUCH smaller girl got me into a triangle and, despite outweighing her by like 80 pounds, I frustratingly could not get out of it. I was, however, able to stand up and walk around with her before I got bored and tapped out. Although it taught me the effectiveness of the art, I feel like it taught her the wrong lesson. In a real world situation, if I (or she) did that to a much stronger person, it would end in a slam and we should be taught to get out of the position before it is too late.

[@lewisb85]

So it's basically judo rules before neil adams had his way?

[@tichtran664]

Well if you want to slam someone in a REAL submission wrestling competition go to catch wrestling. ALL slams from freestyle wrestling are legal. So are submission. But some banned sleeper holds/ rear naked choke. Especially if organizations are affiliated with Wigan ( snake pit wigan).

[@luisponce6126]

There are many slams legal in judo like hane makikomi

[@Drunk-Jitsu]

Adam is stupid thicc no cap fr fr.

[@igorbegpines6179]

1:19 he is laughing!!!

[@BigBWolf90]

"Why can't you slam?" Well, competition essentially is trying to "hurt" your opponent but not intentionally injure them (granted mma allows slams like powerbombs but strictly taking bjj). Now if it happens in an actual fight where you're actually in danger....basically fuck the competition rules if ya have to. Key is knowing the difference between the fun competition & oh shit my life is in danger

[@Azraerll]

I am glad you spoke about this sometimes I think people forget where BJJ came from since majority of gyms just focus on the ground work which ots too bad I dunno why anyone would pick up their opponent then try to power slam if your caught in a triangle the only thing that will fo is make the triangle tighter unless your opponent hits the back of the head

[@ZeusEBoy]

meatheads and people thinking theyre tough for doing basic fouls like eye pokes. some people will stoop to any level or outright cheat to get any advantage. same reason people use ped's, deflate footballs, and cut corners. some people excuse their weakness and lack of integrity or respect and mask it as strength. careful who you spar and roll with lotta people have fragile ego's too.

[@kanucks9]

Yeah. And they will hit the back of their head, because their hips are attached to your shoulders. There are so many knockouts from this.

[@badxradxandy]

Adam!

[@ibroxim_32]

What about high crotch, I went for it and when I picked him up the ref yelled no slamming and i panicked and let him go.

[@bman6065]

Can I body slam if I'm wearing speedos and knee high boots?

[@graciescottsdale]

Yes!

[@Chewjitsu]

Yes and if you're locked in a steel cage with a guy who wears a sock on his hand.

[@Disgruntledgamer]

I wonder are there any Judo throw that are illegal in BJJ?

[@jeffjitsuvideos]

No. The only throw that is illegal in bjj is Kane basami aka jumping scissors and that is illegal in judo as well

[@kanucks9]

Yeah, the one in this video haha. Daki age - the guard slam

[@TakeItToTheGround]

@@kanucks9 I bet you'd get called for ura nage. kzbin.info/www/bejne/j3qUoJWkjNeHmqs

[@ZeusEBoy]

@@kanucks9 and i meant to put that comment here lol. put it under the wrong comment

[@ZeusEBoy]

"judo is one of the primary parent arts of bjj so i would say whatever is illegal in judo probably is in most bjj. For example scissor (kick) takedowns, a kani basami, kawazu gake, or most notably a daki age. which if you look up is essentially a simple slam like the one chew demonstrated"

[@leviwaite1136]

ask if you can slam in bjj all i heard is "judo" :)

[@a7699aaa]

It's not illegal in Jiu-Jitsu as you say, it's illegal in IBJJF Jiu-Jitsu.

[@Chewjitsu]

Depends on the comp! Lots of them make slams illegal, it isn't just the IBJJF. That said, there are some that allow all sorts of different slams.

[@ChrisBeaty216]

Speaking of slams. I want nothing more than to win a fight 2 win with a slam knockout lol

[@GuyfromSC2]

I dont love the no slam rule tbh

[@evanhoback9338]

Bjj needs to be looked at more like football and basketball it’s more like a game than a fight

[@robmckenzie9559]

This, it's closer to sport TKD than a method of self defence now.

[@danguillou713]

But it's so much easier to land a choke or an armbar if your opponent is knocked out! Seriously though. How do you prevent people from picking you up and slamming you into the ground? I'm not going to it because I don't want to hurt the nice people I'm training with. (And also I'm a 52 year middle size _first week_ white belt, so if I'm being a dick to people who're smaller I have a feeling it might come back and bite me in the ass.) But say, för argument's sake, that you're wrestling with someone who isn't a nice person and wants to hurt you. Slamming comes naturally, also to people who are untrained. What is the counter or defense when you feel that some is getting ready to pick you up?

[@ruirodrigues2938]

This is a big question, am a big guy and people try to use thei weight to hold me down😅 Sometimes they are hanging on me like a monkey😂 If i "fall" with then is it ilegal?

[@bookofdaveandsteve]

(thic) adam (thic) adam 👋👋

[@christophersmith3695]

Why would anyone want to slam another person like that in competition? Unless your goal is to hurt the other person (which is a dick move), why else would you do it except to prove how “dominant” you are. If you’re in that position and there isn’t any other way out, tap. Just keep in mind that what goes around, comes around.

[@sclscl]

If anyone jumping guard on me I will probably drop that person coz my elbows are screwup

[@adamwood87]

@@sclscl totally. people shouldn't be jumping guard in the first place; bad idea for them, bad idea for the other person.

[@adamwood87]

@christophersmith3695 it's purely a dick move. if it requires zero technique, and any meathead could do it, it's not jiu jitsu. slams are for people who can't pass guard or escape submissions properly.

[@ZeusEBoy]

@@adamwood87 nah jumping guard has its place though it is rare. but its on the person jumping guard to ensure no body is slammed because theyre initiating. i think all scl was saying is he wouldnt risk his elbows to catch them for their sake, as he shouldnt.

[@adamwood87]

@@ZeusEBoy I understood what he meant. Jumping guard isn't allowed at my gym, and I'd never want to do it in the first place. I'll stick to takedowns and getting mount.

[@fredriksjoblom5161]

What i really want to know right now is wether mr. Adam actually kills people. And if so, does he consume their flesh or just mop them up afterwards? Either way he has got a real serial killer stare going!

[@benjaminsmith4519]

This makes me hate Bjj

[@Doceli-dg3cn]

Seriously lol Imagine u get slammed like really hard, I'm sure you'll like slams still then

[@benjaminsmith4519]

@Doceli-dg3cn imagine some one winning every match because they put you in a submission and you weren't allowed to pick them up and drop them to break the hold

[@Doceli-dg3cn]

@@benjaminsmith4519 uh that's 1 way how u win by submission. If being submitted truly bugged me before completion, I just learn both how to not get into a situation that'll make me tap in the first place to know what to expect or learn how to escape properly, so I don't have to worry bout slamming

[@benjaminsmith4519]

@Doceli-dg3cn then you handicap smaller and weaker fighters. It's dumb. It's not so much about going as far as the UFC. Tho I can say I've seen more than a few assholes who take submissions too far in training I don't see why they get all the advantage

[@Doceli-dg3cn]

@@benjaminsmith4519 I'll tell ya one thing if someone did slam me while I'm attempt a submission I would most likely only crank the submission even more to let em know u shouldn't be so stubborn. Besides if smaller fighters are weaker they shouldn't be able to slam at all. It's called playing smarter not harder, breaking rules only make u stupid since u lose only because u were too prideful to lose like a man to someone who's simply better in that encounter

[@CrunchyXL]

🦍

[@YoPhocFays]

Fastest way to get banned from your Dojo

[@dragonballjiujitsu]

Not at mine. Slams are encouraged.

[@YoPhocFays]

@@dragonballjiujitsu so they actually encourage you to pick up your partner and slam them?

[@dragonballjiujitsu]

@@YoPhocFays At blue belt and above yes, absolutely. This keeps the students honest and keep them from developing bad habits like holding on to guard and not underhooking the leg when going for arm bars and triangles.

[@YoPhocFays]

@dragonballjiujitsu makes sense. Though, if they really wanted to go with realism to prepare students for real street fights, they might as well throw biting or eye gouging into the mix

[@dragonballjiujitsu]

@@YoPhocFays those things are also addressed. As are striking and head buts.