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ENCurtis

ENCurtis

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The eternal debate rages on--will you get a better quality surface from a hand plane or a sander? My opinion: yes.
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@TadTheTinker
@TadTheTinker Жыл бұрын
The answer to the question, St least in part, is this; if it feels good to the hand, and looks good to the eye, then it is right. How you get there, sanding or planing, is up to the maker and the look and feel they are going for. Once in a while you may even want the tool marks from the saws, planers and jointers to be visable. And that is okay too.
@ENCurtis
@ENCurtis Жыл бұрын
If there was a comment that embodied the philosophy of this channel, this is it. How you get there is up to you. So long as the results are good, take the path most enjoyable. There is no wrong answer. There is only make.
@flowleopard893
@flowleopard893 Жыл бұрын
​@@ENCurtisTruth. Key words here are looking and feeling good. If a method holds you back, always remember, you have options.
@ENCurtis
@ENCurtis Жыл бұрын
@@flowleopard893 1000% 👊
@goofycker
@goofycker Жыл бұрын
The question for you US people is/will be: DeSantis or not DeSantis?
@TadTheTinker
@TadTheTinker Жыл бұрын
@goofycker This has not one thing to do with this post nor this video. So why is it here?
@mm9773
@mm9773 Жыл бұрын
Off topic but related: People have been so dismissive about sandpaper that it’s sometimes even being ignored or forgotten as an option: at some point last year I saw a video about shooting boards, and the guy said he would prefer a shooting board with a fixed fence, but he doesn’t have a shoulder plane to square the fence up. I went “Just glue some sandpaper to a flat, square, straight piece of wood and sand the fence into square” - lightbulb moment. We sometimes don’t see the forest for the trees. Sandpaper is the ugly stepchild of the hand tool woodworking community, but that’s undeserved. It’s a brilliant invention.
@ENCurtis
@ENCurtis Жыл бұрын
It may be one of the most underrated inventions of the 20th century. Sure, there were variations of it before that, but it's truly a game changer.
@Talic29
@Talic29 Жыл бұрын
I am subbed to several other woodworking channels but yours is the only one I have rung the bell for. I came for the woodworking but stayed for everything else.
@ENCurtis
@ENCurtis Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!
@noiamhippyman
@noiamhippyman Жыл бұрын
Man you deserve so many more subscribers. You're extremely encouraging and inspiring.
@ENCurtis
@ENCurtis Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much 🙂 They'll come with time. Can't focus on what you can't control!
@IntrepidFox94
@IntrepidFox94 Жыл бұрын
As a beginner, I catch myself internalizing other people’s rules like “never sand after planing”. This can have a paralyzing effect when you’re just trying to figure things out and make stuff. This channel is a great resource!
@papaduck459
@papaduck459 Жыл бұрын
My grandfather who was a lifelong furniture maker used to say that sanding was used to hide the sins of the woodworker. So I asked him if he ever sanded any of his work, and he said; and I quote, "every woodworker sins, but if you're a good woodworker; you are the only one who ever knows" let's all ponder that for a moment.
@MatthewAnguis
@MatthewAnguis 4 ай бұрын
Thank you for this video. I am just getting started in woodworking and ran across this huge debate about sanding verses planing and it was hard to wade through. It was good to see an actual comparison.
@MintStiles
@MintStiles Жыл бұрын
If your otherwise consistent wood type is getting threaded, you have knicks on your blade. Probably silica or impurities from the knots taking chips off the edge. Totally agree with you about doing what works, but hand tools makes you feel "connected". What people dont realize is that hand tools can in fact be very very very fast, especially for one of projects.
@virgilthomas7101
@virgilthomas7101 Жыл бұрын
I have found that using a hand plane can save you a ton of time in sanding. If there are a lot of machine marks or marks in the wood and you have to start at 80 grit it’s going to take forever. If you start with a plane you can jump straight to 220grit or just finish it
@johnjudispicer7175
@johnjudispicer7175 Жыл бұрын
I tend to lean towards hand planes simply for the satisfaction of mastering the art, and less dust. I don’t know if one is actually better than the other, I just know what makes me tic.
@robohippy
@robohippy Жыл бұрын
Part of 'which one works best' is determined by what finish you use. For paint grade, 150 grit max. Paint is more pigment and less binder, so too smooth of a surface doesn't provide enough surface roughness for the paint to stick. I used to have a precatalized lacquer sprayed on my furniture pieces. The people who did it said not beyond 220. Again, beyond a certain 'fineness' and the finish won't stick well. People viewing my pieces would say 'wow, they must have taken that up above 600 grit'. I would expect that to hold fairly true for any surface finish. For an applied oil that penetrates and soaks in, I would think you could go as high as you want, and/or a hand planed surface.
@mikegrier2829
@mikegrier2829 Жыл бұрын
My two hobbies are woodworking and golf, and they’re both an evolutionary journey. I am far more evolved as a golfer and along the way arrived at the conclusion that I must “swing MY swing”. I can’t swing like anyone else. I sense my woodworking evolution will be similar, so I expose myself to a variety of YT channels with varying techniques and let it all soak in. To sand or plane? I haven’t even evolved to that point, yet. Still learning to sand. But, I am beginning to sense the organic attraction of hand tools. Great channel, great video. Many thanks.
@woodnotestudio
@woodnotestudio Жыл бұрын
Another great explanation. I use my hand plane in my pieces specifically because of your explanations. It made me feel comfortable trying it and I’m so glad I did.
@williamshaffer2562
@williamshaffer2562 Жыл бұрын
Mr. Prius man another very informative video. Thank you Erik your for explaining the different ways of wood prep. I learned from my uncle, who NEVER sanded. Hand planes, spoke shaves, and card scrapers were what I was taught. Now that I am as old as some of the planes, I use sanders more often. Great video from a true master woodworker. Semper Fi brother.
@jokatim
@jokatim 8 ай бұрын
The flames in that wood stand out more with the hand planed surface more than the sanding but both are beautiful.
@lanternlightwoodworx
@lanternlightwoodworx Жыл бұрын
I probably over due it, but i sand to 400 grit before i even spray my poly and then 1000 in steps to 10,000..... but now I'm starting to not really like it. People are blown away when they see it in real life but its starting to look too "plastically" I recently took a live edge piece of spalted cherry and completely sanded the poly off of it , then sanded it back up to 10,000 grit did BLO and then paste wax after curing...... really loved the warm and tactile look and feel . I have a number of antique wood, transition and metal planes I'm restoring for use and will experiment with just using them as well. Great videos and content , just subscribed . would have shared pics but no idea how lol !
@ndamico1
@ndamico1 Жыл бұрын
Saturday doesn’t start until after I’ve watched your videos while enjoying my morning coffee. Thanks for the outstanding videos and the way you explain them. Excited to get out into the garage/shop and get to making something!
@ENCurtis
@ENCurtis Жыл бұрын
Ah man thank you! That one made me smile. Go crush it today!
@Demon_Mx2277
@Demon_Mx2277 5 ай бұрын
Great video! As a disabled woodworker using hand planes is a massive feat and using a sander is so much easier in my circumstances, however i do enjoy using a hand plane every now and again on smaller pieces for the enjoy of using them
@shawgreen
@shawgreen 9 ай бұрын
I was taught to use a cabinet scraper to minimize tear out (planing) and raising the grain (sandpaper)
@christopherharrison6724
@christopherharrison6724 Жыл бұрын
Hand planes makes me feel good ,love the new mug.
@bradleytuckwell4881
@bradleytuckwell4881 Жыл бұрын
I think it all comes down to what floats your boat but me personally I like to plane way more than sanding. Cheers fella I always love your chats and your new killer mug
@ENCurtis
@ENCurtis Жыл бұрын
I'm with you 100% my guy 👊
@AlexanderLiberman-ks1mu
@AlexanderLiberman-ks1mu Жыл бұрын
As someone with a 9 month KZbin woodworking university certificate, the biggest eye opened was about the silica content in the wood. I was trying to figure out how one side of a board would plane like butter, while the other one doesn't come out right no matter what I yet to do. I thought maybe my plane wasn't sharp enough, but I've been making dull things sharp for over 30 years, and still couldn't figure it out. Maybe it's not just me.
@AlexanderLiberman-ks1mu
@AlexanderLiberman-ks1mu Жыл бұрын
@ENCurtis may want to check this one before it gets out of hand.
@dirkmessiaen8322
@dirkmessiaen8322 Жыл бұрын
I simply love your videos. I watch them on Sunday morning as sort of a meditation. My son is following woodworking at school. I can only dream of a teacher like you for him. Me, I'm a DYIer with focus on building and maintaining our house. Lately my focus is schifting to woodworking partly by the inspiration you and other KZbin woodworkers give me. I like the text pop-ups but as I'm not natively seeking English most of the time I'm not fast enough to read them. I go back a few times irritating my family members in the process. 😊
@paulmcleod2547
@paulmcleod2547 Жыл бұрын
Of all the woodworking videos I watch yours are the most motivating, thank you.
@ENCurtis
@ENCurtis Жыл бұрын
Love to hear that. Thank you for the kind words.
@aaronfarr6782
@aaronfarr6782 10 ай бұрын
Thank You, David ! Keep Making!
@tbone7193
@tbone7193 Жыл бұрын
Maybe a planed surface would work well as long as it's narrower than the width of the planing blade so there is little chance of planing marks? IDK , just a thought.
@ENCurtis
@ENCurtis Жыл бұрын
That's a good thought, but the plane marks were not a result of the edge of the plane blade digging in--at least in this instance. It was a result of the minor knots damaging the middle of the blade create inconsistencies in the cutting edge.
@MMWoodworking
@MMWoodworking 9 ай бұрын
If you want a "hand planed" look, go wild, and go up to 0000 steel wool, and get a burnish on the board. It will not take as much finish if you want a super deep, penetrating finish, but you get an almost film sheen look, with just oil. You get that reflection look, and for people like me, who like idiot proof BLO finishes for things that aren't needing tons of protection, it's the best of both worlds, looks wise - imo, but also more time consuming. I go 150, 180, 220, 320, 400, 0000 steel wool on things like small boxes. On a table, forget about it, that's way too much work, but for small pieces, it's a nice balance.
@Spills51
@Spills51 Жыл бұрын
I dont know to many people ho actually like going through the process of sanding....me included.....but you dont have to ask far to find their are droves of people who love hand planning....its such a zen experience and gives, to me at least a far more gratifying feeling after getting it the ay you want....just something about sizing up a peice....checking the angles andputting your own touch to it.....just cant get that same feedback from a screaming machine thats shaking my entire body lol
@ENCurtis
@ENCurtis Жыл бұрын
That zen experience is what we're all hoping to find in the creative process, I think. Plane away my dude 👊
@Spills51
@Spills51 Жыл бұрын
That music was great...thought you were gonna build a Saloon Door lol
@ENCurtis
@ENCurtis Жыл бұрын
😂 considered it
@mhstretch
@mhstretch Жыл бұрын
Thanks for being the sage, and not the shill. Your peaceful teaching is zen like, and a joy to listen to. The choice of music is very fitting. Would you tell me who it is? Your "be humble " shirt says so much I had to buy it. Thank you.
@TCoffman
@TCoffman Жыл бұрын
As a man new to this craft (hobby), I really appreciate your videos. Thank you.
@kennethholmes9315
@kennethholmes9315 Жыл бұрын
Seriously love the t-shirt. Have a good one
@arianewell6252
@arianewell6252 2 ай бұрын
I personally like to plane by hand if needed after sending it through the thickness planer and sand with a felted block sander with the grain either 150 > 180 or 180 > 220. I would typically use a shellac or a wiping varnish for finish.
@charlesschmitt9555
@charlesschmitt9555 Жыл бұрын
I appreciate the reality of your videos. It's not what other people think about your work, but it is how satisfying your work is to you. Of course, you want to make something great for the customer, but you have to enjoy your process.
@emptyheads7989
@emptyheads7989 Жыл бұрын
I've put my back out so my personal dilemma is whether 'to stand or not to stand'
@jstoeck784
@jstoeck784 Жыл бұрын
I find that I use both depending on the finish and the use of the finished product. I also like to plane because it doesn't irritate my tinnitus. But really who cares as long as it looks good. The people who see the finished product won't know how it was done, just that it is good. The only one who knows the process and any minor imperfections is you as the creator. If you are satisfied with the work, then that is what matters in the end.
@nikolausreinke9966
@nikolausreinke9966 Жыл бұрын
Cool. As I suck in surface planing (planing is for dimensions only...) this is good news. Very good news.
@garryjohnson3107
@garryjohnson3107 Жыл бұрын
One of my teachers during my woodworking journey is a master at hand plane finishing. He said that the bark side of wood always planes better than the heart side. And looking at your grain orientation that seems to be true in this case, although I'm still not sure why this is.
@donesry2902
@donesry2902 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Erik
@ENCurtis
@ENCurtis Жыл бұрын
Thank you, Don!
@JeffFontecchio
@JeffFontecchio Жыл бұрын
Great video, I really appreciate the time you take to explore ideas and explain.
@ENCurtis
@ENCurtis Жыл бұрын
Thanks as always, Jeff 🙏
@BillMSmith
@BillMSmith Жыл бұрын
At last, the video to finish the controversy! Actually the answer to most heated debates is "Eh?", but that's not as much fun as engaging caps lock. In the immortal words words of that other bard, don't worry, be happy.
@ENCurtis
@ENCurtis Жыл бұрын
Wise words of the day: the answer to most heated debates is "Eh?" 🤘
@paulmaryon9088
@paulmaryon9088 Жыл бұрын
Well dude another great vid thanks, take it easy out there, see you on the next one
@byronservies4043
@byronservies4043 Жыл бұрын
Ahhhh. The mugs!!!! Also, the planed surface is vastly superior. It is better for finish? I don't know.
@brettbarr4811
@brettbarr4811 Жыл бұрын
I really enjoy your very holistic approach to woodwork. You discussed the feeling of using the hand plane, without the earbuds and dust collection. This struck a chord with me. For me woodworking is an experience to be lived. When a thing pops out at the end, well that’s just a bonus. Keep up the excellent work!
@BGladWoodworkings
@BGladWoodworkings Жыл бұрын
Went to buy a mug but looks like you're getting them all!😊 David, more mugs please!!
@ENCurtis
@ENCurtis Жыл бұрын
I'll let him know!!
@clemoniii
@clemoniii Жыл бұрын
I had the same Issue!
@brianhawes3115
@brianhawes3115 Жыл бұрын
I really like a sort of burnished waxed fell that a plane leaves, and I’ve never got that from sanding, unless I keep going til nauseum into 400 grit, and then I still like the plane better
@amauryrodriguez477
@amauryrodriguez477 Жыл бұрын
OUTSTANDING Video!!!
@kevinmeachem2138
@kevinmeachem2138 Жыл бұрын
Great comparison, great discussion, great new mug.
@Ramplcro
@Ramplcro Жыл бұрын
Well i don't have electric jointer/planer, so only hand planes, but i do worry a little (not much experience) about finish adhesion so i always use sandpaper in the end. If there is no tearout then i quickly use say 240 grit by hand and that's it. Much better than lot of disc grit changes, dust all over , wearing a mask with random orbital sander
@ENCurtis
@ENCurtis Жыл бұрын
A fair concern, and the best way to avoid any issues is to do exactly that. A light sand with a little 240 will do just fine.
@readeral
@readeral Жыл бұрын
Love the The Shining thumbnail!
@214rwoz
@214rwoz Жыл бұрын
Thank you for all your time and effort. Still like mug number 1 !!
@Georgesvangansen
@Georgesvangansen Жыл бұрын
Thank you!!! and love the mug by the way!!
@ENCurtis
@ENCurtis Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! And man I couldn't possibly be more enthralled with that new mug!
@joeleonetti8976
@joeleonetti8976 Жыл бұрын
Well done. For me, I work with hand tools so everything gets a hand planed surface. As such, I stop there and don't sand unless there is an issue that the handplane or card scraper can't fix. I know Egyptians had sand paper so it's been around a for a while. I just don't feel the need to do more work than I already have. If you are looking for another topic, I've heard of folks in days of yore using pieces of broken glass to finish the wood. Never tried it myself. I would happily watch a video about it from you if you are searching for new content.
@lazyhobo2454
@lazyhobo2454 Жыл бұрын
Awesome mug 👌
@nkuete
@nkuete Жыл бұрын
"there's no right answer, there's only make" should be a T-shirt
@roberthahn8555
@roberthahn8555 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for posting this video. I have long wondered what the answer to this question was and had been on Team Handplane for the same reasons you like using one. But I learned that using both is a great way to finish and I learned that not sanding could be the artistic choice that really elevates a piece. Awesome!!
@ga5743
@ga5743 Жыл бұрын
You always make me smile….😊. Thanks for the lesson, I can see a mug cabinet in the future 😊
@henrikmanoochehri4613
@henrikmanoochehri4613 7 ай бұрын
Didn't read through all the comments, but seems to me you guys may need a bit more technical minutia. sanding, especially the bigger the grit gets, leaves a surface that is as rough as the grit. This rough surface scatters the photons that bounce off the surface so that some very attractive visual characteristics of especially very figured surfaces are masked over or made cloudy. A surface that is struck with a metal edge is burnished and smoothed at a level only the very finest of sandpapers may achieve. Then it's the figuring in the grain that does the light scattering and that's when you get the fish scaly, prismatic effects that are achievable depending on the species and cut of the wood. I once hand scraped an entire quarter sawn oak floor in a living room as I was trying not to make dust and noise with a drum sander or the like. The result was amazing! The floor seemed to radiate colors and tones at you as you moved around and angles of reflections changed. Keep in mind the drawback that film forming finishes will tend to have poor adhesion over burnished surfaces as mechanical bond is diminished. And water based finishes will raise the grain of a burnished surface (as they will a sanded surface) diminishing some of the visual effect.
@walterrider9600
@walterrider9600 Жыл бұрын
thank you
@keithbrock6410
@keithbrock6410 Жыл бұрын
Great video, man I really enjoy your topics, content, and positivity
@splinters_66
@splinters_66 Жыл бұрын
That finish the little green ets-ec 3mm stroke gives , is absolutely sublime. Guaranteed to rub people up the wrong way 😄
@ENCurtis
@ENCurtis Жыл бұрын
Oh it's far and away the best sander I've used. Let the haters hate 😂
@crashkg
@crashkg Жыл бұрын
@@ENCurtis is there really a difference between the 3mm and 5mm stroke in terms of final quality? I can’t tell between the 2. I have both.
@ENCurtis
@ENCurtis Жыл бұрын
@@crashkg I don’t own both so I can’t give ab answer based on experience, but I would guess that it would matter only in a very few instances. With a high polish pass on a film building finish, for example. In that case I think the 3mm would be beneficial, which is why I bought that one. But for most operations I think they are largely interchangeable. Again, I am saying that out of speculation, not experience.
@crashkg
@crashkg Жыл бұрын
Looking at the edge of the boards it definitely looks like the sanded board absorbed more finish. I think the Wood Whisperer did a test where he tested different methods of applying finish and the one that got deeper into the board had better protection after curing. That being said I love the feel of the wood after the smoothing plane more than the sandpaper.
@davidpeters8813
@davidpeters8813 Жыл бұрын
I believe he also tested sanding vs planing and the grain on sanded boards was a little more "muddy" then planed boards.
@ENCurtis
@ENCurtis Жыл бұрын
I think it's likely the sanded surface does absorb a little more finish given how the grain is opened by the sanding process, but it's still a useful tool to have in the kit.
@lorenagrecu2590
@lorenagrecu2590 10 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for making this video. I am just trying to get started woodworking and getting my very first tools to start making stuff and this is incredibly helpful. Thnak you so much for what you are doing!
@TWC6724
@TWC6724 Жыл бұрын
Love the “Office Space” clip. We’ve all been there right? 😆
@ENCurtis
@ENCurtis Жыл бұрын
We've all been there more times than we care to admit 😂
@liameverything4444
@liameverything4444 Жыл бұрын
Thank you this is a really good example,
@PaulWoodWare
@PaulWoodWare Жыл бұрын
I just started the video and already liked it because NEW MUG 🎉
@christophercollecutt
@christophercollecutt Жыл бұрын
The lustre appears more on the planed one
@Technwood
@Technwood Жыл бұрын
Starting at 180 is something new to me as of watching this video. I would swear it's gospel and in stone somewhere that you need to work "work through all the grits" 80, 120, 150,180 and then maybe up to 220. I'm relatively new to woodworking and mostly self/KZbin taught. Now I've got to go do some of my own testing. Whether you intend it or not, I often feel challenged by your videos, sometime uncomfortably and I keep coming back because I appreciate that and the growth that comes from it.
@henrikmanoochehri4613
@henrikmanoochehri4613 7 ай бұрын
If I'm sanding, I start at 40 or 60 grit and move through all the grits ending at 150 or 180 for painted surfaces 220 to 320 for film forming finishes and higher for penetrating or reactivating finishes like laquer, shellac or wax or oil.
@joshuapuyear6818
@joshuapuyear6818 5 ай бұрын
Just watched this video and I have to say I sand my pieces then I use a card scraper to help make a smoother surface
@philcannizzaro7512
@philcannizzaro7512 Жыл бұрын
My question is, are you removing more material with a plane than with a sander? Also, what about a cabinet scraper as the final finishing process? Thanks, you're a fantastic teacher!
@thijspluis9998
@thijspluis9998 Жыл бұрын
I love to do a purely planed surfice, but I always get streakes. Now I have gotten better with less streakes but heavent tested on a piece of furniture. Normaly I plane and after sand lightly with 400 grit. And aply wax with 0000 steel wool or a verry light scotchbright pad. That surfice is then perfect
@mikeharbert5086
@mikeharbert5086 Жыл бұрын
The absolute most important part of this video: do what works for you. I love it! Use a hand plane, sand, do both... absolutely. Do what works for you and for your project. Too many people set arbitrary rules with which to judge others and their work. Thank you sir, well made.
@mikeharbert5086
@mikeharbert5086 Жыл бұрын
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@jasonzvokel6317
@jasonzvokel6317 Жыл бұрын
As a hand tool enthusiast, at around 8 minutes 50 seconds you pointed out the difference in shavings. You needed to sharpen that blade. One thing I've learned is that the more frequently I sharpen, the less I sharpen But like you said - I plane every surface of every piece. Then I give it a few quick swipes with 220-240 grit sandpaper to give the wood a little tooth in order to accept the finish
@johnjudispicer7175
@johnjudispicer7175 Жыл бұрын
I agree with sharpening more frequently actually is less work. I actually think of it as a fine honing versus sharpening. You take off far less material from the blade with frequent sharpening and spend more time making a thing
@csehszlovakze
@csehszlovakze Жыл бұрын
bearded zombie mug > blue cyclops mug
@royunderwood7514
@royunderwood7514 Жыл бұрын
Great video
@dpmeyer4867
@dpmeyer4867 Жыл бұрын
thanks
@edwardnorek8506
@edwardnorek8506 Жыл бұрын
As a woodworker for more years than I care to count these days and one who has never been able to get a plane to work properly to save my life, I have always sanded all my projects. That being shamefully admitted, I know when a project is requested or requires the application of a dye or stain, the way the wood takes the stain or dye is dramatically different with the different grits i.e. sanding to 100 grit the color will be MUCH darker than is sanded to 220 grit or lower, especially on figured maple. It may be my old eyes on the computer screen but it was hard to tell with the top coat finish you chose in the video. I would be curious as to how it would take on a strictly planed surface. Given how the pores may close on the planed surface I can imagine it would be on the level of the finer grits of sanding though. Just a curious mind musing as I raise a cup of coffee with you.
@joelsolo302
@joelsolo302 Жыл бұрын
I always have the intent to hand plane only but alas I always seem to break out the paper. Maybe one day when my confidence grows and I turn into a big boy. Love the video, thanks brother. Also getting a cool Firefly vibe from the score. Love it!
@joelsolo302
@joelsolo302 Жыл бұрын
What's a Tele-gram? Looks kinda sus tbh
@dog4mike
@dog4mike Жыл бұрын
Because I typically only do hobby DIY stuff, I'd never had use of a planer because I never usually worked with anything but dressed timber from the big box store. And I don't have a workspace big enough to brace properly to do planing anyway. So I just sanded. But recently started doing some more detailed work, including resawing to get custom thicknesses, and decided to give Japanese block planes a go (The pulling action works better on my tiny workbench, because I can brace the bench against my body as I pull). And it's a game changer! I wished I'd learned to plane years ago! But's it's not ideal for everything, and I still sand as a final step. It's just a good tool and skill to have!
@johnjudispicer7175
@johnjudispicer7175 Жыл бұрын
Like you, I do woodworking as a hobby/stress relief and started hand planing because I don’t have room for a power planer. This was a really struggle at times depending on the wood but my sharpening started getting better and suddenly the planing got easier. Never give up, never surrender.
@dog4mike
@dog4mike Жыл бұрын
@@johnjudispicer7175it’s kind of cathartic, isn’t it? Since learning how to plane, I can’t imagine not having a planer. I use it for flattening, chamfering, shaping. I used to think the sharpening and adjusting would be more trouble than it was worth, but yeah, once you learn to sharpen and make blade adjustments, it goes fast.
@ManuelGarcia-ww7gj
@ManuelGarcia-ww7gj 5 ай бұрын
There are polishing planes, you know.
@wildcatgerry
@wildcatgerry Жыл бұрын
One practical difference between the two methods is this: I was told by a Japanese woodworker that they usually don’t sand, only finish with planning because sanding, which scratches the wood, allows more moisture to get into the wood than planning. He specifically mentioned the high humidity of Japan.
@walterashworth1011
@walterashworth1011 5 ай бұрын
I can absolutely attest to the humidity in Japan it’s like breathing water sometimes
@fidgetshouse
@fidgetshouse Жыл бұрын
I am a bit of a unicorn. I enjoy some time hand sanding! I might start with an orbit or finish sander, but I like the result I get when my last pass is by hand. Time consuming and tiring, yes. SATISFYING. I love your videos.
@1deerndingo
@1deerndingo Жыл бұрын
It's got a beard 🧔🤣🤣🤣🤣 Using a plane can be best for some situations, but not others. Still loving the beard and great to see that your new cup is a better reflection of you - a beard and not one eyed.
@JohnDoe-rp9ix
@JohnDoe-rp9ix 11 ай бұрын
awesome music by the way
@ENCurtis
@ENCurtis 11 ай бұрын
Thank you 👊
@CarlYota
@CarlYota Жыл бұрын
The answer is clearly "Eh?" because if it was definitive then the debate wouldn't rage on over the decades. Especially in a connected global modern culture. We would coalesce on the clearly superior answers if they existed on this topic. The hand plane most definitely leaves a better finish on raw wood, which I assume is where the argument comes from. It becomes shimmery and glasslike. But once you apply finish the results aren't that different. And there will always be a place for sanding because difficult grain is typically the most beautiful. Scraping isn't as fool proof as people say (you absolutely can tear out, especially softwood) and at the end of the day, some surfaces need to be sanded into submission. Unless you want the most boring aesthetic of straight grained furniture, you're going to have to sand the most interesting pieces. (at least the faces of them). 16k blade, high angle, cap iron 1/100 of an inch from the edge, throat so closed you can barely see light. There is only so much you can do, and it's not always enough. That being said, I would rather not sand, because dust sucks and it's time consuming and boring. Planing is a joy and romantic and quiet and if tear out didn't exist then I would throw the sander in the trash immediately.
@ENCurtis
@ENCurtis Жыл бұрын
All fair points! Some people do enjoy the sanding process, but for you and I the plane is the way to go 👊
@richardmoller9242
@richardmoller9242 8 ай бұрын
I love the vids and have been binge watching them all week. Question: What is the cloth you have on your bench when using the sander?
@peterhansson7967
@peterhansson7967 Жыл бұрын
No to pieces of wood can be identical… It is just an impossibilty. However they can be very similar… but it just doesn’t make them identical. Book matched top on guitars are very common, but working on/with them you quickly realize that, despite the fact that they are split from the same piece, they do differ… Just the fact that they are reversed (up is down and vice versa on the pieces), makes them very different from each other. And the grain (pattern, hardness, imperfections, patches of ”strange” grain direction etc) will ALWAYS differ in two pieces of wood… And even book matched pieces does not have the a surfaces that was ”together” after planing and other ”adjustments”. And in these differeces lies the beauty of the material 😇
@JaredRandal
@JaredRandal Жыл бұрын
You start at 150 or 180 grit?! That’s gonna save me so much time! 🎉🎉
@mgn151
@mgn151 Жыл бұрын
Erik, what is your sharpening process? KZbin has experts out the wazoo and they're all equally the best way to do it. So, sensory overload. Based on your other processes, I don't imagine it's a complicated system. What do you do? Tormek? Sandpaper and float glass? A fieldstone from the yard?
@mgn151
@mgn151 Жыл бұрын
Well, nevermind. KZbin does it again. I just saw the sharpening comparison in the list on the right from a month ago. It's like the algorithm knew this question was going to come up...
@Outdoor_Andy
@Outdoor_Andy Жыл бұрын
I've got a finish question. I've been told that a water based finish can have a reaction with hand oils so it's not good for high traffic items. I make dice trays for ttrpg's. I have some Birch and Maple I want to start using, but I want to keep it as bright as possible, but I don't want to use a water based finish if the finish will go bad after a couple long dnd sessions. Any insight would be greatly appreciated. Love the videos!
@lauramarshall6376
@lauramarshall6376 Жыл бұрын
The area that looks lighter to you looks darker from camera position.
@trash_mountain
@trash_mountain Жыл бұрын
I will preface this with: I have not watched the video. I am answering solely based on my observations of the thumbnail. That being said, the unsanded “plank” appears to exhibit more chatoyancy than its sanded counterpart. In my (very unprofessional) opinion, several things could be contributing to this, either separately or in conjunction. The first thing (1) could be the grit of abrasive used to sand the wood (for example no grit progression just sanding on like 180 or 220 and calling it a day). That can, somewhat counterintuitively, make the surface appearance worse than before you started. Another thing it could be (2) is wood dust from sanding is clogging the pores of the wood leading to a dingy look. Also (3) sandpaper and other abrasives tend to leave grit behind as they are used. This isn’t a huge issue on harder materials like metal, but for wood, they can embed and lead to a poor finish.
@koscarico
@koscarico Жыл бұрын
10:30 "The way i normally wood"
@robohippy
@robohippy Жыл бұрын
There has to be a special place in hell for those who spam you with "I have some thing for you." From a post from me, 12 days ago....
@paulruud5804
@paulruud5804 Жыл бұрын
I love the look of a freshly planed surface, except that the sole of the plane on either side of the mouth burnishes part of the surface. AFAIK, this burnishing cannot be avoided and this surface variation (besides any blade imperfections) is unavoidable. So, I always end up with a light sanding after because I don't want those streaks. But, Erik, you do not mention this. Any thoughts? Anyone?
@rolandgdean
@rolandgdean Жыл бұрын
Great content. I wish you could have tested a super surfacer...but alas...we can't get them on this continent...lol.
@mr.shellcracker9161
@mr.shellcracker9161 Жыл бұрын
I'm really glad you mentioned how you can struggle with a board only on one side. That happens to me all the time! I normally plane, scrape, then sand to blend the two surfaces. Do you use a cabinet or card scraper?
@Griffinwoodworks
@Griffinwoodworks Жыл бұрын
Divisive and green, you use a Ryobi ros?😜 You’re seriously inspiring Eric. I’m going to incorporate hand planing into my pieces because of your work. Thanks for the inspiration brother.
@TCGE08
@TCGE08 Жыл бұрын
TLDR; remove tool marks…if you want to. 😂
@richardmatta58
@richardmatta58 Жыл бұрын
The problem is that I’ve watched dozens of videos about planing wood and have tried for years but still can’t make it work well. And doesn’t it change the thickness of the material compared to sanding?
@katherynlamarche7308
@katherynlamarche7308 Жыл бұрын
Thanks again Julien Lamarche I sand a lot ,you said to go only to 120grid I go to 220grid. I'm I doing to high of a grid?
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